How strong do you guys figure Spidey would be able to lift with his power upgrade from The Other story arc, while being permanetly bonded to the Symbiote?
I've always wondered this.
Spider-Man
Character » Spider-Man appears in 17252 issues.
Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider as a teenager, granting him spider-like powers. After the death of his Uncle Ben, Peter learned that "with great power, comes great responsibility." Swearing to always protect the innocent from harm, Peter Parker became Spider-Man.
Spider-Man maxed out.
Oh wow!
But I meant the Symbiote when he originally got it.
That's pretty impressive though.
@DarkSpidey21 said:
" @FadeToBlackBolt: Oh wow!But I meant the Symbiote when he originally got it. "It didn't enhance his strength when it bonded to him.
Not saying you're, but everything I've every read says it does. I read almost everything Marvel, hell even DC, but Spidey is my main comic.
" @DarkSpidey21: In the original comics, the symbiote did not enhance his strength. It just allowed him a one-piece that would change clothes, and he didn't have to worry about running out of webbing. Also, it didn't change his attitude or anything like that. The 90s cartoon and media after that would have you believe that, but it's actually not so. "Are you tired of explaining this yet?
Oh I know his base is 10. It's been 10 for years, hell it's 10 now. But it's suggested, and put on a lot of stats, that Spidey jumped to 20-25 ton range in The Other. I'm going with that till evidence comes up that that is wrong.
Also with the Other Powers.. I think that he could be pretty strong, but I need info more precice, is knowns that a bloodlusted Spider-man is more much stronger than a normal 10 tonner, that happens in normal humans too, with the adrenaline the human reach unknoun levels in phisical skills, Spidey15 said that for him Spider-man should be ranked as class 25, but I am not sure about that, Spider-man is a popular character and most of his feats deepends in the storyline/writer, most of his issues could be considered PIS, but using the info in handbooks, Spiderman could easily reach the class 75 in superhuman strength, using his feats, class 100 seems pretty low...
" I am not sure what was his streght level with the Symbiote, but I am with InnerVenom123 the symbiote used to be just a suit in secret wars, a suit that used to give him unlimited webbing (I liked more "the suit" in Ultimate Spider-man, makes more sense), but later in the comics it also given to him more strength.
Also with the Other Powers.. I think that he could be pretty strong, but I need info more precice, is knowns that a bloodlusted Spider-man is more much stronger than a normal 10 tonner, that happens in normal humans too, with the adrenaline the human reach unknoun levels in phisical skills, Spidey15 said that for him Spider-man should be ranked as class 25, but I am not sure about that, Spider-man is a popular character and most of his feats deepends in the storyline/writer, most of his issues could be considered PIS, but using the info in handbooks, Spiderman could easily reach the class 75 in superhuman strength, using his feats, class 100 seems pretty low...
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True, the Ultimate costume does make more sense. Yeah Spidey's feats bounce around a lot. Any guesses about what his strength would be?
Ultimate Spider-man is a 4 tonner, handbooks say that he is a 4 tonner and his feats are for a 5/4 tonner, I am ok with that, I am able to find a logic on that, but with Amazing Spider-man an enjoyable stroryline is enough for me, I don't want to find logic on it, I mean, he got his superpowers when he got bitten by a goddammed radiactive spider, who cares about logic in a comic like Amazing Spider-man?
HOLY SH!T!! I totally forgot about this scan. But you have a point. His feats are a little to out there sometimes, but mainly the storyline is the reason I read his comics. His morals and his struggle just make his comics the best IMO. I like Ultimate a little less, but it's really great too.
" @Morpheus_: That doesn't change the fact that is out of his league... is the center of a building that is a lot of weight for a "10 tonner". "But it is more plausible than lifting an entire building.
I never questioned that Spider-Man can lift more than his official designation states he can (in fact, I have made cases against the handbook ranking several times). He has proven it time and again.
" @Deadcool said:Well, yes..." @Morpheus_: That doesn't change the fact that is out of his league... is the center of a building that is a lot of weight for a "10 tonner". "But it is more plausible than lifting an entire building.
I never questioned that Spider-Man can lift more than his official designation states he can (in fact, I have made cases against the handbook ranking several times). He has proven it time and again. "
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(... Wasn't you avatar a Sinestro's pic a couple of minutes ago?... Cool, I like that Doctor Doom's Pic)
" @Morpheus_ said:Yes, I am testing. You'll see some Spider-Man avatars in a while, too." @Deadcool said:Well, yes... ...(... Wasn't you avatar a Sinestro's pic a couple of minutes ago?... Cool, I like that Doctor Doom's Pic) "" @Morpheus_: That doesn't change the fact that is out of his league... is the center of a building that is a lot of weight for a "10 tonner". "But it is more plausible than lifting an entire building.
I never questioned that Spider-Man can lift more than his official designation states he can (in fact, I have made cases against the handbook ranking several times). He has proven it time and again. "
Would you please post in my old thread?
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/off-topic/5/user-icon/579019/
" @Morpheus_: ... Interesnting you actually take care about what you want to show in your avatar...Once I'm done choosing, sure.
Would you please post in my old thread?
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/off-topic/5/user-icon/579019/ "
" @DarkSpidey21: Only with the feats...as strong as the the Hulk LOL... I don't know, once he is unable to lift a truck, then he lifts a building, for me a popular character is as strong as the story needs him to be...Spider-man just supported that building. Similar feats have been accomplished by cap or batman or even moon knight IIRC.
Ultimate Spider-man is a 4 tonner, handbooks say that he is a 4 tonner and his feats are for a 5/4 tonner, I am ok with that, I am able to find a logic on that, but with Amazing Spider-man an enjoyable stroryline is enough for me, I don't want to find logic on it, I mean, he got his superpowers when he got bitten by a goddammed radiactive spider, who cares about logic in a comic like Amazing Spider-man?
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Also lifting trucks does not make him as strong as the Hulk.
An armor truck is supposed to be 27 tons.
=]
Even though he is superhuman, to me Spiderman is the most vulnerable of all. In many, many issues, he's been shown to be sick i.e The Grim Hunt with The Swine flu or whatever it was. Also, he's kind of like the Hulk, his strength fluctuates depending on his mood and behaviour. If he's ticked off, he's taking out the whole Kravinoff family or taking out Firelord. In other occasions, Daredevil or Captain America are schooling him. Personally I think his powers, especially his strength, depend on what mood he's in. When he had organic webbing, it was said that he can only produce so much depending on nutritional levels in his body.
" @DarkSpidey21: In the original comics, the symbiote did not enhance his strength. It just allowed him a one-piece that would change clothes, and he didn't have to worry about running out of webbing. Also, it didn't change his attitude or anything like that. The 90s cartoon and media after that would have you believe that, but it's actually not so. "So would Spider-Man 3.
I have already posted that... What i wanted to say is that the "original info" says that he is a 10 tonner, for that reason I am not agree with his feats as I wrote in my last comment..." @Deadcool said:
He is not a 10 toner. He is obviously in the scale of 25-30 at the very least. =] "" @Morpheus_: That doesn't change the fact that is out of his league... is the center of a building that is a lot of weight for a "10 tonner". "
Damn logic...Spider-man just supported that building. Similar feats have been accomplished by cap or batman or even moon knight IIRC.
When did I say that?...Also lifting trucks does not make him as strong as the Hulk. An armor truck is supposed to be 27 tons. =] "
What I tried to do with this: "once he is unable to lift a truck, then he lifts a building" is a hyperbole, a joke, I know that he is not lifting all the building but stills a lot for him.
" @InnerVenom123 said:Now, see, that's why I said 'media after that'." @DarkSpidey21: In the original comics, the symbiote did not enhance his strength. It just allowed him a one-piece that would change clothes, and he didn't have to worry about running out of webbing. Also, it didn't change his attitude or anything like that. The 90s cartoon and media after that would have you believe that, but it's actually not so. "So would Spider-Man 3. "
"The Suit" in Ultimate Marvel is the "cancer cure", created by Richard Parker and Eddie Brock Sr. and it is programmed with Parker's DNA, the suit is able to use anyone as host but It needs more a host with Parker's DNA, the suit is an organism works with stem cells, and it control's biological functions of the host, and is able to regenerate the host of every damage, then the host would never die.
But, there is a problem with the suit, is that It needs to eat to regenerate, and when controls your organism, it also controls your mind.
It doesn't make Peter stronger, but the size of the suit makes him seem more much stronger.
Peter with the Suit fought once against the Ultimates, and if Thor weren't there, Peter and the Suit would probable kill them all.
Carnage, is an organism created by the Dr. Curt Connors from a Peter's blood sample, and Richard Parker's Notes, in his first appearance it doesn't needed a host unlike the "Suit", it already had Peter's DNA, but it is unstable it needs to "eat" too, but at the end just like the "Suit" needs more Parker DNA.
In the version of "Carnage" (That was created by a villain of Peter) it has a host, and I no longer needed to eat, but it still having Peter's DNA.
Instead of finding an alien lifeform randomly like in the Amazing series, the suit in Ultimate was specifically made by Peter's and Eddie Brock's fathers to raise strength levels of individuals because originally it was made to help cancer patients stay strong.
" I am not sure what was his streght level with the Symbiote, but I am with InnerVenom123 the symbiote used to be just a suit in secret wars, a suit that used to give him unlimited webbing (I liked more "the suit" in Ultimate Spider-man, makes more sense),What I made bigger from your post is simply untrue. Never has it increased his strength while bonded to him.but later in the comics it also given to him more strength.
Also with the Other Powers.. I think that he could be pretty strong, but I need info more precice, is knowns that a bloodlusted Spider-man is more much stronger than a normal 10 tonner, that happens in normal humans too, with the adrenaline the human reach unknoun levels in phisical skills, Spidey15 said that for him Spider-man should be ranked as class 25, but I am not sure about that, Spider-man is a popular character and most of his feats deepends in the storyline/writer, most of his issues could be considered PIS, but using the info in handbooks, Spiderman could easily reach the class 75 in superhuman strength, using his feats, class 100 seems pretty low...
"
" @Deadcool said:Also, "WHAT IF?" issues are noncanon." I am not sure what was his streght level with the Symbiote, but I am with InnerVenom123 the symbiote used to be just a suit in secret wars, a suit that used to give him unlimited webbing (I liked more "the suit" in Ultimate Spider-man, makes more sense),What I made bigger from your post is simply untrue. Never has it increased his strength while bonded to him. "but later in the comics it also given to him more strength.
Also with the Other Powers.. I think that he could be pretty strong, but I need info more precice, is knowns that a bloodlusted Spider-man is more much stronger than a normal 10 tonner, that happens in normal humans too, with the adrenaline the human reach unknoun levels in phisical skills, Spidey15 said that for him Spider-man should be ranked as class 25, but I am not sure about that, Spider-man is a popular character and most of his feats deepends in the storyline/writer, most of his issues could be considered PIS, but using the info in handbooks, Spiderman could easily reach the class 75 in superhuman strength, using his feats, class 100 seems pretty low...
"
What I made bigger from your post is simply untrue. Never has it increased his strength while bonded to him. "Later, when Venom started to be popular, it become canon the fact that the suit incresed the strength, but Spider-man never appeared with the strength incresed by the suit, Happy?
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:Well, I never said that it was, I just wanted to post it...
Also, "WHAT IF?" issues are noncanon. "
NEVER was Spider-man's strength increase by the symbiote, portrayed in every media ASIDE FROM THE COMICS, ever made canon in the comics.
Same bullshit happened with Superman's Powers, originally Superman powers were because the low gravity of the earth and he wasn't that powerful, but then the Tv show makes popular the fact of Superman about being invincible, and then it was created the Silver Age's Superman, because his powers in the Tv show were mor popular than the powers in the comic.
Also same things are happening with superhero movies, they change Superhero Facts for the movies.
" @InnerVenom123:Yes, they make itAs fact, it's true that the Symbiote never increased Peter's Strength, but the popularity of the suit and the cartoon make popular this fact, regardless the fact that is not originally truth.
Same bullshit happened with Superman's Powers, originally Superman powers were because the low gravity of the earth and he wasn't that powerful, but then the Tv show makes popular the fact of Superman about being invincible, and then it was created the Silver Age's Superman, because his powers in the Tv show were mor popular than the powers in the comic.Also same things are happening with superhero movies, they change Superhero Facts for the movies. "
POPULAR.
NotCANON.
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