Spider-Man and Pamela Isley: Could it work?

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#101 Posted by PunyParker (7077 posts) - - Show Bio

@spideyivydaredevilfan26: It's still Peter's adventures.....concider it as one of the many obstacles he faces in his life.....

#102 Edited by Funkypanda123 (87 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidey and I are a twerk team

#103 Edited by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

Spidey and I are a twerk team

I was not aware. ;)

#104 Edited by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

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#105 Posted by MASTER_OF_SUPRISE (320 posts) - - Show Bio

It might make for a fun one shot but no I don't think it'd work.

#106 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

@master_of_suprise: At least for a Black Cat on and of type thing it'd be fun though, right?

#107 Posted by Jayc1324 (5273 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes. Definitely. It would be awesome to see them fight too

#108 Posted by Jimishim12 (153 posts) - - Show Bio

@mewmdude77:

Wolverine who has killed in front of Spidey has been one of his best friends in the hero community despite Peter's code and strong moral values. Spidey is pretty much Jesus, he forgives people and becomes friends with them despite their pasts or mistakes.

I'm pretty sure he can accept and learn to tolerate Poisen Ivy if she's willing to prove herself to be more than she seems.

#109 Edited by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio
#110 Posted by tigerkaya (1216 posts) - - Show Bio

pfft, hell no.

#111 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio
#112 Posted by tigerkaya (1216 posts) - - Show Bio

@spideyivydaredevilfan26: Well for one Ivy while having a noble goal, has a tendency to being genocidal in killing half the population to protect her plants, feeds her partners to a carnivorous plants to avoid attachments, and mind control through her kiss. So yeah Ivy would just see Spidey as another pawn to help her in her crusade.

#113 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya: While I am fine with people disagreeing with me, that is quite possibly the most insanely sloppily put together counter-argument possible.

1) She only commits genocide when she's being poorly written. Mostly it's just her v.s a land development company or something, at least when she's written right.

2) Umm...Actually no, no she doesn't. She doesn't feed her partners to avoid attachments. If you're mentioning Harvest then you are being really desperate as Harvest is one of the worst comics ever written and wrote Ivy completely OOC. That's like me saying Batman isn't a good fit for Wonder Woman because of All-Star Batman and Robin

3) What does mind control have to do with anything? This is assuming that they had to be friends for a while.

#114 Posted by tigerkaya (1216 posts) - - Show Bio

@spideyivydaredevilfan26: Well what would you suggest are the better Ivy stories? Because so far DC right now is more Black and White than ever, with every Bat villain trying to one up Joker and Zsaz in the genocide and murder count. To me Ivy seems natural in high murders in her crusade she turned people to frozen wood to avenge rainforest.

#115 Edited by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya: What would I suggest are the better Ivy stories? Gotham City Sirens, Hush, Cast Shadows, Forever Evil, No Man's Land and that's just off the top of my head. And DC writing black and white is more proof how DC is becoming quite possibly the worst possible state that any comic publication company can possibly enter. I could write better stories than what DC is crapping out right now; that's not bragging, or me being arrogant, over 80% of the fan-fic writers on this website could write better stories. @tommythehitman, @wildvine and @impurestcheese consistently write great stories that current DC comics would have trouble being 1/3 as good as. Hell, a brain-dead sloth throwing darts at random idea balloons is a better writer than what DC's got right now! At least it will OCCASIONALLY hit the mark! As for Ivy turning people into frozen wood, she only did that to land developers and CEOs destroying plants, not random civilians.

#116 Edited by ImpurestCheese (3561 posts) - - Show Bio
#117 Posted by tigerkaya (1216 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya: What would I suggest are the better Ivy stories? Gotham City Sirens, Hush, Cast Shadows, Forever Evil, No Man's Land and that's just off the top of my head. And DC writing black and white is more proof how DC is becoming quite possibly the worst possible state that any comic publication company can possibly enter. I could write better stories than what DC is crapping out right now; that's not bragging, or me being arrogant, over 80% of the fan-fic writers on this website could write better stories. @tommythehitman, @wildvine and @impurestcheese consistently write great stories that current DC comics would have trouble being 1/3 as good as. Hell, a brain-dead sloth throwing darts at random idea balloons is a better writer than what DC's got right now! At least it will OCCASIONALLY hit the mark! As for Ivy turning people into frozen wood, she only did that to land developers and CEOs destroying plants, not random civilians.

Well Alfred and his friend would like to say otherwise.

#118 Posted by PunyParker (7077 posts) - - Show Bio
#119 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

@spideyivydaredevilfan26 said:

@tigerkaya: What would I suggest are the better Ivy stories? Gotham City Sirens, Hush, Cast Shadows, Forever Evil, No Man's Land and that's just off the top of my head. And DC writing black and white is more proof how DC is becoming quite possibly the worst possible state that any comic publication company can possibly enter. I could write better stories than what DC is crapping out right now; that's not bragging, or me being arrogant, over 80% of the fan-fic writers on this website could write better stories. @tommythehitman, @wildvine and @impurestcheese consistently write great stories that current DC comics would have trouble being 1/3 as good as. Hell, a brain-dead sloth throwing darts at random idea balloons is a better writer than what DC's got right now! At least it will OCCASIONALLY hit the mark! As for Ivy turning people into frozen wood, she only did that to land developers and CEOs destroying plants, not random civilians.

Well Alfred and his friend would like to say otherwise.

His death is for the greater good...

#120 Posted by darthfury78 (710 posts) - - Show Bio

Prepare for a lot of "There's only ONE redhead for Spidey" comments.

Also, since when has Spidey ever showed an interest in botany?

(For the record, I do like the connection to actual spiders and plants, that's pretty clever).

The only other redhead who is interested in Spidey is the Black Widow.

#121 Posted by tigerkaya (1216 posts) - - Show Bio
#122 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya: No, still think it would be a great relationship. I think Ivy would have moments where she wants to kill Spider-Man, but I could see them loving each other and forgiving one another.

#123 Edited by youknowwhattodo (475 posts) - - Show Bio

I could see Peter Parker with Pamela Isley, however I cannot see Spider-Man with Poison Ivy, if that makes sense. Poison Ivy, despite a somewhat sympathetic goal, is a murderer, not a thief. Straight-edge characters can overlook petty theft in regards to their partner but not murder.

#124 Posted by darthfury78 (710 posts) - - Show Bio

I could see Peter Parker with Pamela Isley, however I cannot see Spider-Man with Poison Ivy, if that makes sense. Poison Ivy, despite a somewhat sympathetic goal, is a murderer, not a thief. Straight-edge characters can overlook petty theft in regards to their partner but not murder.

Do you know that Pamela Isley might be the equivalent to Mystique. Provided that she never tells Peter her deadly secret.

#125 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

Do you know that Pamela Isley might be the equivalent to Mystique. Provided that she never tells Peter her deadly secret.

How so?

#126 Posted by tigerkaya (1216 posts) - - Show Bio

I could see Peter Parker with Pamela Isley, however I cannot see Spider-Man with Poison Ivy, if that makes sense. Poison Ivy, despite a somewhat sympathetic goal, is a murderer, not a thief. Straight-edge characters can overlook petty theft in regards to their partner but not murder.

Exactly very much this. The fact deal with it.

#127 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

@youknowwhattodo said:

I could see Peter Parker with Pamela Isley, however I cannot see Spider-Man with Poison Ivy, if that makes sense. Poison Ivy, despite a somewhat sympathetic goal, is a murderer, not a thief. Straight-edge characters can overlook petty theft in regards to their partner but not murder.

Exactly very much this. The fact deal with it.

Jeez, it's just my opinion, and no, I still think it could work. If he can be friends with Wolverine and Eddie Brock I don't see the problem with Ivy. Well maybe I SEE it, but I could see Peter looking past that. Catwoman has killed people, Batman has looked past that.

#128 Edited by youknowwhattodo (475 posts) - - Show Bio

@tigerkaya said:

@youknowwhattodo said:

I could see Peter Parker with Pamela Isley, however I cannot see Spider-Man with Poison Ivy, if that makes sense. Poison Ivy, despite a somewhat sympathetic goal, is a murderer, not a thief. Straight-edge characters can overlook petty theft in regards to their partner but not murder.

Exactly very much this. The fact deal with it.

Jeez, it's just my opinion, and no, I still think it could work. If he can be friends with Wolverine and Eddie Brock I don't see the problem with Ivy. Well maybe I SEE it, but I could see Peter looking past that. Catwoman has killed people, Batman has looked past that.

There is a difference between a kill and a murder, and that is intent. For the most part, when Catwoman kills someone, it was not her intention to do so, but with Poison Ivy, it almost always is. Also I think that you're comparing Spider-Man with the wrong hero because him and Batman have different personalities, Dick Grayson would be the better DC character for comparison. Dick Grayson would not date her.

Don't be ashamed though, we all have pairings regarding our favorite characters that the rest of the world looks at and laughs at. As I've said, I could totally see a story where Peter Parker dates Pamela Isley either before she becomes Poison Ivy or in a situation where he wouldn't know Pamela = Poison Ivy because there would enough similarities between the two to spark a romantic interest, just not with their alter-egos.

#129 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

@spideyivydaredevilfan26 said:
@tigerkaya said:

@youknowwhattodo said:

I could see Peter Parker with Pamela Isley, however I cannot see Spider-Man with Poison Ivy, if that makes sense. Poison Ivy, despite a somewhat sympathetic goal, is a murderer, not a thief. Straight-edge characters can overlook petty theft in regards to their partner but not murder.

Exactly very much this. The fact deal with it.

Jeez, it's just my opinion, and no, I still think it could work. If he can be friends with Wolverine and Eddie Brock I don't see the problem with Ivy. Well maybe I SEE it, but I could see Peter looking past that. Catwoman has killed people, Batman has looked past that.

There is a difference between a kill and a murder, and that is intent. For the most part, when Catwoman kills someone, it was not her intention to do so, but with Poison Ivy, it almost always is. Also I think that you're comparing Spider-Man with the wrong hero because him and Batman have different personalities, Dick Grayson would be the better DC character for comparison. Dick Grayson would not date her.

Don't be ashamed though, we all have pairings regarding our favorite characters that the rest of the world looks at and laughs at. As I've said, I could totally see a story where Peter Parker dates Pamela Isley either before she becomes Poison Ivy or in a situation where he wouldn't know Pamela = Poison Ivy because there would enough similarities between the two to spark a romantic interest, just not with their alter-egos.

I only brought up Batman because I think he's less forgiving and more morally strict than Spidey. I think him dating Isley and not knowing that she's a criminal could be very interesting. I just think that it would be awesome to see the recurring theme of Parker's forgiveness met with the potential for Ivy's redemption.

#130 Posted by darthfury78 (710 posts) - - Show Bio

@darthfury78 said:

Do you know that Pamela Isley might be the equivalent to Mystique. Provided that she never tells Peter her deadly secret.

How so?

Because Raven knows Bio-Chemistry, and every other scientific subject. She's also an actress who can play the part of any character from Mary Jane to Norman Osborn. Her only fear is for those who she really cares about do not know the truth to her character. Otherwise she'll have to kill them to protect her secret.

#131 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio
#132 Edited by Jimishim12 (153 posts) - - Show Bio
#133 Edited by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio
#134 Edited by Experio (8180 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh huh.

#135 Posted by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: I am incapable of detecting sarcasm, was that sarcastic?

#136 Posted by Experio (8180 posts) - - Show Bio
#139 Edited by SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 (4816 posts) - - Show Bio

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