Spider-Man 4 On "Indefinite Hold"?
Does this mean they're arguing over the lame "Vulturess" character that we've heard mention of? Could Sam possibly be trying to save us from that horror? Not really. It seems that Sam really wants the Vulture to be the bad guy. This is something he wanted for the third film. IESB mentions that in "The Art Of Spider-Man 3" book, there is a concept art sketch that shows Adrian Toomes (the Vulture) being cellmates in prison with Flint Marko ( Sandman).
Who does Sony want to be the villain? They're not sure. They're just not too keen on it being the Vulture. They want whoever is the big selling villain in the Spider-Man books to be featured. IESB also mentions that their source pointed out that several people are "pissed off" over this disagreement. Hopefully things will start back up in January.
Do you think the Vulture could work as the villain?
They'll probably include 2 villains again like they did with Spiderman 3, well, that had 3 but you get the point.
So I think they should scrap the Vulture idea (: I never liked him anyway.
and bring in Felicia (Black Cat) and maybe, Hobgoblin? or Mysterio?
stoopid company. their paying Sam for his genius, then telling him he cant use it.
not the biggest fan of Raimi, but one thing i noticed about the big name directors is that (usually) we get the best out of them when there aren't a bunch of suits trying to dictate their choices.
but on the plus side, i hate Tobey's Spiderman, so im not completely bummed about this.
Said before (a few times most likely) and I'll jolly well say it again... most of spidey's villains are lame. I'm sure Mysterio and Shocker and Electro and Rhino have their fans (can't think of any others to be honest) but few would translate that well onto the big screen in my "sat at the computer screen pretending to work" opinion.
However, they did make Doc Ock pretty damn cool; a good mix of power, menace and pathos. Venom was the exact opposite; good comic character, awful film villain. And as for Sandman...
Meh. The whole dancing emo peter parker in spiderman 3 pretty much killed the franchise for me. Of course, there was also Mary Jane whining, the incredibly lame bit where the butler confesses that he knew the wounds of Norman Osborne were self inflicted, the overdone soap-opera acting of the end sequence where all of New York watches whiny Jane stuck in a car, then Spidey leaps in with the american flag fluttering behind him (not dissing on patriotism considering that in Britain really has very little to be proud of nowadays)
I'm sure spiderman has some great film mileage if the writers and everyone else involved delves deep and tries their damndest to make something special. But every time I read about spiderman 4 news I just roll my eyes and go "bugger, not again"
Well they can't do a good job with main villains like Venom so I don't see why it would make a difference which one they used in 4. On the other hand The Vulture would be awful.
I say they spend the first twenty minutes with no story, just Spiderman stopping Rhino as as runs away through the city, sending cars flying as he goes. Spiderman outsmarts him, cut to intro. Then the rest of the film should focus on Spidey trying to help cure the Dr Curt Connors from turning into Lizard.
Not really a big Spider-Man reader, haven't picked up the book in a loooong time and never bought the title regularly. I have enjoyed the movies though. Thought they were all very well done. I'd have a tough time second-guessing Sam Raimi, but it seems to me the the Kraven, The Hunter storyline from several years ago is very strong and would be well suited to a film.
Spidey 4: Lizard is born. Battle ensues. Property damage and lives in danger. JJJ hires Mac Gargan to expose/humiliate Spidey and take down Lizard. Gargan, as Scorpion, becomes the new threat, allowing Lizard to go about his business. Spidey beats Scorpion and gives Connors an ultimatum. Connors approaches a humiliated Gargan with a little gift -- the leftover symbiote he had in Spider-Man 3.
Spidey 5: The new Venom and Lizard prove a match for Spidey at every turn. By way of the symbiote, the tagteam know Peter's identity and they prey on it. Spidey finds the best way to beat them is to temporarily offer himself to the symbiote to strip Gargan of his power and give him enough strength to outmatch them. Spidey wins and ditches the symbiote.
BUT OH, NO! The symbiote finds its way into Aunt May's bloodstream, creating CARNAGE!
Heh. Thanks for reading. Joke's on you.
They should let the director make these decisions otherwise he won't really be trying to make his best work. If Raimi thinks he could make Vulture interesting they should let him. If they want another villain they can go with another director. I mean who would have thought Scarecrow would be interesting in Batman Begins?
Yet another rumor. Debatable whether or not this is valid but IF it is, maybe it is a good thing the studio stepped in and stopped the whole thing. While Vulture may appeal to some, I don't think he'd translate very well on the movie screen. In fact, I think he'd be ridiculous. I think he was a bit ridiculous in the comics, like Rhino. Yeah, I said it.
Can one only hope Raimi and Co. jump ship now?? Please?? Get a whole different crew, actors, etc.? Enough of the campy a$$ crap.
The vulture is weak. He works in the comics not on screen. You could do a lot with a Mysterio, maybe more on screen then comics. I'd rather see a villian that has a little more in common with spider-man. They could make Scorpion great even tho he ended up more of a B list badguy in the books he was one of the more cooler villians in the cartoons when I was little. An oldman in a bird suit just sounds lame, and his daughter in a bird suit sounds even lamer. We've already had enough hot chics dressed like cats too, so please no Black Cat. They keep ruining the goblin suits on film, so please no Hob-goblin. Jeez who left? Rhino? Electro that's who.
"Not really a big Spider-Man reader, haven't picked up the book in a loooong time and never bought the title regularly. I have enjoyed the movies though. Thought they were all very well done. I'd have a tough time second-guessing Sam Raimi, but it seems to me the the Kraven, The Hunter storyline from several years ago is very strong and would be well suited to a film. "
gotta be ultimate Kraven then. Not just some guy with a lion head on his chest. Ultimate Kraven could work too. The crocidle hunter gets animal like powers. Lot to work with.
" BEST - NEWS - EVER. Don't freaking make this movie! Just reboot it so we can have Spider-man fighting alongside the Avengers, or at least making a cameo! Or maybe he can run into Hulk like he did in the comics? "Won't happen. Sony owns the movie rights.
" @InnerVenom123 said:" BEST - NEWS - EVER. Don't freaking make this movie! Just reboot it so we can have Spider-man fighting alongside the Avengers, or at least making a cameo! Or maybe he can run into Hulk like he did in the comics? "Won't happen. Sony owns the movie rights. "
I know, I know.... but a fan of movies that don't suck can dream, right?
" @Nobody said:Spider-Man 1 and 2 were decent. If Sony would just keep out of it and let Raimi do his thing, this one shouldn't be the mistake of Spider-Man 3." @InnerVenom123 said:I know, I know.... but a fan of movies that don't suck can dream, right? "" BEST - NEWS - EVER. Don't freaking make this movie! Just reboot it so we can have Spider-man fighting alongside the Avengers, or at least making a cameo! Or maybe he can run into Hulk like he did in the comics? "Won't happen. Sony owns the movie rights. "
" @InnerVenom123 said:" @Nobody said:Spider-Man 1 and 2 were decent. If Sony would just keep out of it and let Raimi do his thing, this one shouldn't be the mistake of Spider-Man 3. "" @InnerVenom123 said:I know, I know.... but a fan of movies that don't suck can dream, right? "
Meh, I didn't really care for SM1... and SM2 was just boring to me, since I'm no fan of Tobey Maguire or Kirsten and it was mostly drama. Also, I don't really care for Doc Ock....
And SM3 was like... like..... having my soul ripped out by a demon as it cackled and spat in my eyes.
thing is. Spider-man is one of the top 3 comic characters (Along with Superman and Batman) and marvel's top boy. People don't go to see Scorpion, Elektro, the Lizard, Mysterio, Vulture, etc. They go to see Spider-man. Any villain would do, I for one hate most of Spider-man's villains (and the hero himself too) and still loved what they did to Octopus, who says that Raimi can;t do the same to the vulture?
I think Sony was going to give him full reign till the boards lit up after the Vulturess leak. I think Sony is trying to save there ass. I think if they do Felicia she needs to be Black Cat and be a contrast to Mary Jane. The Vulture would be good with Electro. I don't think the Vulture needs to be the main villain. Sam threw a fit last time when Sony wanted to bring Venom in with the horrible SM3. Just fire Sam and bring in a new one if he threatens to do it again.
GREAT, same thing happened to spider-man 3. Sam Raimi did not want venom in his movie and the studio MADE him put him in, and the result? Well spider-man 3 was the result. I thought the whole thing to Sam Raimi coming back was because they told him that they wont interfere with it and give him full creative control so spider man 3 doesnt happen again. Damn Sony they are starting to sound like FOX. I really hope marvel gets there properties back from FOX and Sony some day but I doubt it will happen.
Wont happen. Avengers and Hulk are under Marvel studios, and Spider-man is under SONY. Unless marvel buys the rights back to Spider-man this wont happen, and with a cash cow like spider-man, Sony will never give marvel back their character.
" @Kid_Zombie: Even if the Vulturess makes an appearance? That would make SM3 look good. "How do you know? Could make it awesome. And remember the whole Vulturess thing is still a rumor, she might not even be in it. And even still Let him do his thing, he might do a sweet job with it even with a character of Vulturess. I am scared that they are gonna make him put a bad guy in that he dosent want again like what happened to venom in SM3. Sam Raimi is a old school fan of the comics and likes the classic bad guys. In spider-man 3 vultuer was writen as one of the badguys but he had to take him out so the studio could add Venom.
I'm okay with anyone...
I belive that Lizard is a logical choice due to being a cameo in 2 and 3. Vulture is also intitleed because he was the original choice as the side villain instead of Venom (and seeing how they did Venom and choosing a terrible actor (Topher "girly" Grace), they should have put Vulture in it). Mysterio would be awesome played by Bruce Campbell. Make Electro and Shocker stronger, and it would be interesting. Kraven is a really good choice if you put in Lizard, Plus, they could put in Chameleon as Kraven's half-brother sidekick. Black cat has to be put as a good guy, and Kingpin belongs to Fox.
i think the vulture is a good villain for spider-man. it would be interesting to see him in a movie. just as long as they make him look good. but i'd like to see rhino, lizard, black cat, mysterio or electro as the villain. anyone of those would make it awesome. hopfully for black cat and mysterio. cross your fingers!
Vulture could've definitely worked well on Spider-Man 3 if the studio hadn't had pushed him to use Venom. But Vulture by himself I don't know about that. Maybe if it was him and Electro that would probably be better. Or if they wanted to throw in a 3rd baddie. Either Rhino or Scorpion as the muscle. But if they want to do just a single villain it should be Mysterio or Hobgoblin. I never get tired of the goblins personally.
I am getting Tim Burton Batman flashbacks with word of the Vulture as Raimi's pick. He has decided on the most gawky, awkward and "douchey" (not a word, I know) villain in the Spider-Man rogue's gallery. He seems intent on making the films as geek-infested as possible with weird character development and just plain ugly, dorky actors.
After watching the last one I said to my freinds that the only redemption would be to bring in Kraven and Lizard (with the possibility of Vemon/Carnage lurking in the shadows for the next sequel since there ar SO many die-hard symbiote fans.) for some vicious, savage action. Bring the relationship between Doc Connors and Peter to the front. Kraven hunting the Lizard would make for a good moral/ethical quandry for Spidey/Peter too.
This whole Vultre/Vultress vs. FOTM villain argument is just plain stupid (but if course thats my humble opinion. I don't get paid the big bucks to screw up perfectly good movies)!
Spider-Man 1 and 2 were awesome movies and Raimi is a badass director. SM3 wasn't great but it wasn't the goddamn antichrist of movies like people are making it out to be. I personally want to see a SM4.....even with all these Vulturess rumours. I really don't think (and hope) that's not going to happen.
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