@vicioushero said:

@sethysquare said:

@vicioushero said:

@RainEffect said:

@Deadcool said:

@RainEffect said:

@Deadcool said:

Too many gadgets? That never stopped Batman...

There's a MASSIVE difference between Spiderman and Batman. The biggest one is, obviously the lack of powers.

That is not an excuse!!! Spider-man has villains 8 times stronger than him, having gadgets or tools is to help you when you are obviously overpowered by someone else.

@TDK_1997 said:

@darkrider said:

@Deadcool: yes but batman has a cave spiderman have an apartment

True.

Meh...

Uhhh.... Batman goes up against people who can destroy an entire planet, on a regular basis.

Thats crap. Who Bane? Joker? The Penguin? You DC fanboys are just ridiculous. Give it a rest already.

Purlease. Batman defeated Darkseid, Starro and other cosmic villains so many times single handedly. Have you heard of the term Batgod?

Spiderman is a simple hero and fights simple villains like the green goblin and venom.

He does not need gadgets and what not. You marvel fanboys are just ridiculous.

He does not fight Darkseid or any other cosmic villian on a regular basis. Spider-Man has gone up against cosmic villians too, but on a regular basis his rogues gallery are street level. Just like Batman.

It depends on what you mean by "regular basis" does every one or two years count? If not then I guess its not as regular as your definition of regular.

Also you are right when you're saying Batman's rogue gallery are street level. But your arguments for Spider-man should wear gadgets cos his villains are street levels just does not make sense. Just think about your own post.

Flash's rogue gallery are street level characters, should he wear gadgets too?

How about Wolverine? Should he wear gadgets too?

Lets put all the street level characters with street level rogue galleries in gadgets then and make them a batman knock off.

@Death Certificate said:

@sethysquare: Name the instance, cause I know that in Final Crisis, he didn't beat him.

Superman/batman, Superman was getting owned by supergirl and darkseid then Batman has his batgod moment. He had tons and tons of batgod moment I can't even keep track on it.

@sethysquare said:

@vicioushero said:

@sethysquare said:

@vicioushero said:

@RainEffect said:

@Deadcool said:

@RainEffect said:

@Deadcool said:

Too many gadgets? That never stopped Batman...

There's a MASSIVE difference between Spiderman and Batman. The biggest one is, obviously the lack of powers.

That is not an excuse!!! Spider-man has villains 8 times stronger than him, having gadgets or tools is to help you when you are obviously overpowered by someone else.

@TDK_1997 said:

@darkrider said:

@Deadcool: yes but batman has a cave spiderman have an apartment

True.

Meh...

Uhhh.... Batman goes up against people who can destroy an entire planet, on a regular basis.

Thats crap. Who Bane? Joker? The Penguin? You DC fanboys are just ridiculous. Give it a rest already.

Purlease. Batman defeated Darkseid, Starro and other cosmic villains so many times single handedly. Have you heard of the term Batgod?

Spiderman is a simple hero and fights simple villains like the green goblin and venom.

He does not need gadgets and what not. You marvel fanboys are just ridiculous.

He does not fight Darkseid or any other cosmic villian on a regular basis. Spider-Man has gone up against cosmic villians too, but on a regular basis his rogues gallery are street level. Just like Batman.

It depends on what you mean by "regular basis" does every one or two years count? If not then I guess its not as regular as your definition of regular.

Also you are right when you're saying Batman's rogue gallery are street level. But your arguments for Spider-man should wear gadgets cos his villains are street levels just does not make sense. Just think about your own post.

Flash's rogue gallery are street level characters, should he wear gadgets too?

How about Wolverine? Should he wear gadgets too?

Lets put all the street level characters with street level rogue galleries in gadgets then.

Flash's own powers are not street level. If he didn't have any morals, he would got rid of his villans.

I'm not sure if you understand the term street level.

I like the gadgets. I know people love the "slacker" parker, but I'm happy to see him using his big brain to come up with new gadgets and stuff. I agree the spider-glider was stupid, but the costumes are pretty cool and I think gadgets are always awesome. I think it's good that he is evolving a bit as a character. At his core he's still the same, but this adds a new dynamic and separates him from Kaine and Miles as well.

Plus, there are always little hints about peter becoming the greatest hero at some point in the future (See X-Sanction #4) and I think this kind of stuff is related to that. In fact, I would love to see a mini about Peter in the future...but that's just me

The more the better if it helps him do his job. The glider has to go though.

@DocFatalis: gotta sell toys somehow....right, super street talking skateboard batman?

@sethysquare said:

@Death Certificate said:

@sethysquare: Name the instance, cause I know that in Final Crisis, he didn't beat him.

Superman/batman, Superman was getting owned by supergirl and darkseid then Batman has his batgod moment. He had tons and tons of batgod moment I can't even keep track on it.

You mean were superman had a little of trouble with supergirl, and KO'd her when he stopped hold back, while batman was forced to set off the spores, because Darkseid was about to kill him?

@Death Certificate said:

@sethysquare said:

@vicioushero said:

@sethysquare said:

@vicioushero said:

@RainEffect said:

@Deadcool said:

@RainEffect said:

@Deadcool said:

Too many gadgets? That never stopped Batman...

There's a MASSIVE difference between Spiderman and Batman. The biggest one is, obviously the lack of powers.

That is not an excuse!!! Spider-man has villains 8 times stronger than him, having gadgets or tools is to help you when you are obviously overpowered by someone else.

@TDK_1997 said:

@darkrider said:

@Deadcool: yes but batman has a cave spiderman have an apartment

True.

Meh...

Uhhh.... Batman goes up against people who can destroy an entire planet, on a regular basis.

Thats crap. Who Bane? Joker? The Penguin? You DC fanboys are just ridiculous. Give it a rest already.

Purlease. Batman defeated Darkseid, Starro and other cosmic villains so many times single handedly. Have you heard of the term Batgod?

Spiderman is a simple hero and fights simple villains like the green goblin and venom.

He does not need gadgets and what not. You marvel fanboys are just ridiculous.

He does not fight Darkseid or any other cosmic villian on a regular basis. Spider-Man has gone up against cosmic villians too, but on a regular basis his rogues gallery are street level. Just like Batman.

It depends on what you mean by "regular basis" does every one or two years count? If not then I guess its not as regular as your definition of regular.

Also you are right when you're saying Batman's rogue gallery are street level. But your arguments for Spider-man should wear gadgets cos his villains are street levels just does not make sense. Just think about your own post.

Flash's rogue gallery are street level characters, should he wear gadgets too?

How about Wolverine? Should he wear gadgets too?

Lets put all the street level characters with street level rogue galleries in gadgets then.

Flash's own powers are not street level. If he didn't have any morals, he would got rid of his villans.

I'm not sure if you understand the term street level.

It depends on what you term street levels.If in that case, Spiderman isn't a street level character as well. Spiderman like others said, fought cosmic villains

Spider-Man's overall metabolic efficiency has been greatly increased, and the composition of his skeleton, connective tissues, muscles, and nervous system has all been enhanced. Originally, Peter Parker wore glasses, but after the spider bite, his vision became 20/20, allowing him to see perfectly after his spectacles were broken by Flash Thompson. Spider-Man is capable of healing injuries faster and more extensively than ordinary humans, though it is considerably inferior to the healing abilities of individuals such as Wolverine or The Hulk. However, Spider-Man is capable of healing from injuries as severe as broken bones within a matter of hours. During a battle with a villain called the Masked Marauder, Spider-Man is rendered completely blind. However, during a visit to an eye specialist, it is revealed that Spider-Man is already healing only after mere hours of being blasted. After about 2 days, Spider-Man's eyesight has recovered to perfection and his 20/20 vision is restored, although his eyes are sensitive for about a day after, shown when Carrion flashed a bright light in his face. Afterwards, his eyes are totally healed.
Following the events of "The Other", Spider-Man temporarily had some of his abilities increased, including his healing. During "Civil War," (months after the events of "The Other") he is ambushed by the Rhino and is injured. However, he heals completely by the end of the issue without medical attention and mentions to Aunt May that he knew he had "always been a fast healer, but lately it seems even more so." Also during "Civil War", Spider-Man is heavily beaten and drugged, suffering multiple fractures and blood loss by the Jack O' Lantern but his injuries heal almost completely by the next issue. However, like many superhuman powers, the effectiveness of Spider-Man's abilities varies based on the author and the needs of the story.
His accelerated metabolism increases his tolerance to drugs, meaning a larger dose is needed to cause the usual effect, and he can recover from the effects rapidly. During an encounter with the bee-based villain Swarm, Spider-Man is incapacitated by thousands of bee stings, but fully recovers in less than 24 hours. His resistance to other toxins varies, but is typically significantly higher than normal. However, Spider-Man has normal human tolerance to the effects of alcoholic beverages and is rarely shown drinking, since it affects his balance, reflexes and coordination. In one battle with the Hobgoblin, he nearly loses his life after unknowingly consuming spiked punch at a party. Although he is still affected by disease and infection, his recovery time is typically shorter than that of an ordinary human. Spider-Man's unique physiology even allows him to recover from the effects of vampirism.

Spider-Man's agility and reflexes are far superior to those of an ordinary human, even those that represent the peak of human conditioning such as Captain America. The speed of his reflexes combined with his spider-sense allows him to dodge almost any attack, even gunfire at point blank. Due to the events of "The Other," his reflexes are increased further, responding directly to his spider-sense and instinct that can result in him lashing out at negligible threats. During the "Grim Hunt" storyline, he was able to dodge a bullet fired from a hunting rifle at point blank range. Aloysha Kravinoff noted that even Spider-Man wasn't "supposed to be that fast," and the story implies that Spider-Man's exceptional speed in that situation was a result of the intense grief and rage he was feeling at the time.

Spider-Man has the ability to maintain his equilibrium on any surface that he can stick to. For example, he can balance on one finger on a high wire, or stand upright on a wall, his body parallel to the ground. Additionally, he is able to flex his body like acontortionist, assuming postures that would be impossible or harmful for most normal humans. His tendons and connective tissues are at least twice as elastic as the average human being's. This ability is often demonstrated by the unusual poses Spider-Man would assume while webslinging or dodging enemy attacks. Also, as an outcome of his spider-reflexes, Peter has developed his own fighting style.

Enhanced Strength & Endurance
Early in his career, Spider-Man was frequently said to have the proportional strength of a spider, but he can lift much more due to his human size, up to 10 tons. Since the events of "The Other" and "The Queen" story arcs, his strength has been increased to twice his original limits. During the Secret Invasion, Spider-Man was shown to be able to knock a Tyranosaurus Rex unconscious in one punch. He has been shown to lift and throw objects such as a semi-truck and to bend the steel of a screwdriver with one finger with ease. When in combat, Spider-Man must pull his punches unless fighting someone of similar or greater durability and power. Otherwise, his blows would kill a normal person.[14]
Spider-Man's bodily tissue is a great deal more durable and resistant to some types of injury than a normal human. However, Spider-Man is far from invulnerable. While his body is tougher than an ordinary human, as seen several times in Spider-Man 2 (via falling from average web slinging height without sustaining significant injury), he can still be injured in ways comparable to an ordinary human. For example, Spider-Man can be injured by bullets or knives composed of conventional material and from impacts of sufficient force. However, if injured, his accelerated metabolism is capable of repairing itself many times faster than an ordinary human. A doctor has told Spider-Man that it would be impossible for a normal man to survive the punishment that he has endured.[15]
Spider-Man can leap several stories vertically or the width of a city street. While his running speed has never been definitely established, he can run at superhuman speed for short sprints and has been shown to be easily capable of overtaking fast-moving cars, but nearly always prefers using his weblines to travel.

Spider-Man's "spider-sense" manifests in a tingling feeling at the base of his skull, alerting him to personal danger in proportion to the severity of that danger. It appears to be a simultaneous, seemingly clairvoyant response to a wide variety of phenomena. Though the exact mechanism of this ability is unknown, (though in Amazing Spider-Man #1, he refers to it as an instinctive ability) his original spider-sense clearly has at least two aspects in addition to sensing potential or immediate danger:

• A psychological awareness of his surroundings, similar to the radar-sense of Daredevil. When he is temporarily blinded, Spider-Man learns to emulate this ability and navigate without his eyesight. Even under normal conditions, his spider-sense helps him navigate darkened rooms, instinctively avoiding obstacles or hazards, or potentially noisy or unstable floorboards, walls or ceilings that may betray his presence. In one comic, he is shown sensing how many fingers Mary Jane is holding up.
• An ability to detect certain radio frequencies. Spider-Man's technical skill is such that he has designed spider-tracers that broadcast a signal detectable by his spider-sense.

Using his spider-sense to time his enhanced reflexes, Spider-Man can casually dodge attacks up to and including automatic-weapons fire. Even point blank, his spider-sense has already warned him in enough time to get away like a precognitive sense, before he can even consciously think about his actions. However, he can ignore this instinct. His spider-sense is sufficiently well-linked to his reflexes, even before "The Other" storyline, that a threat can trigger them even when Spider-Man is asleep or stunned, as inAmazing Spider-Man #141, where a narcotic gas released by foe Mysterio caused him to lose his balance and fall from a building. Though barely conscious, a combination of spider-sense and reflex caused his arm to seize a fire-escape ladder, saving his life.

When Spider-Man swings across a city on his weblines, his spider-sense guides his aim, allowing him to travel at high speeds hundreds of feet above street level with minimal concentration, confident his weblines will find secure anchor points.

Spider-Man's spider-sense is directional and can guide him to or away from hidden weapons and disguised enemies. Sudden and extreme threats (such as the Beyonder observing Earth before the first Secret Wars, Thanos using the Infinity Gauntlet to destroy half of the sapient population of the universe, the Ultimate version of Venom, or the predatory Morlun) can cause his spider-sense to react with painful intensity.

Spider-Man can also sense and dodge attacks directed randomly or by a computer. His spider-sense has helped him preserve his secret identity since it alerts him to observers or cameras when changing into or out of his costume. The spider-sense does not react to those whom Peter does not consider a threat, such as Aunt May. Contrary to this, his spider-sense has warned him of people close to him when he does not wish to be seen, such as when he's partly in costume.

Spider-Man can choose to ignore his spider-sense, and distraction or fatigue can force unawareness.

Spider-Man has used his spider-sense to battle even the most skilled fighters in the Marvel Universe. While not being as trained as them in conventional fighting styles his spider-sense and reflexes (provided with split second quickness and agility) allow him to dodge and counter, often with ease.

After the "Disassembled" and "The Other" storylines, Spider-Man gains the ability to feel vibrations and currents in the air or in his web lines, much like a real spider. He also develops a psychic connection to insects, spiders, and other arthropods, though this aspect of his powers may no longer be present (see below). The spider-sense also allows Spider-man to determine the source of the incoming attack, which gives him an advantage against enemies who are all over the place like Spot.

As a result of the storyline "Revenge of the Spider-Slayer", Spider-Man loses his spider-sense when he sets off a device that disabled Spencer Smythe's latest creations' ability to coordinate their attacks via a similar principle. As such, he starts taking Kung-Fu lessons from Shang-Chi, on Madame Web's advice. When his full powers are restored in the Spider-Island storyline, his battle-honed body granted him a new, refined form of Spider-Sense, where Spider-Man instead of blindly react to threats automatically draws upon Shang-Chi's training.

So its pretty obvious Spiderman isnt a street level character.

Flash for all intent and purposes is a street level character until he got overpowered. but he has recently been depowered as well. So yeah if we really wanna be anal about it, we can call flash mid-tier and same goes to spiderman.

Daredevil, Green Arrow and Batman are street level, which is the big reason they use gadgets, because the got zero to very little powers.

gotta sell those toys

@Death Certificate said:

@sethysquare said:

@Death Certificate said:

@sethysquare: Name the instance, cause I know that in Final Crisis, he didn't beat him.

Superman/batman, Superman was getting owned by supergirl and darkseid then Batman has his batgod moment. He had tons and tons of batgod moment I can't even keep track on it.

You mean were superman had a little of trouble with supergirl, and KO'd her when he stopped hold back, while batman was forced to set off the spores, because Darkseid was about to kill him?

Uhm, no he wasn't going to KO supergirl, because its his cousin and he will never step beyond the line, which is why Darkseid made use of his weakness. If Batman didn't step in, Superman might or might not defeat Supergirl, but he will never be able to kill her, so as long as shes got her last breath, he will never be able to defeat her because she got manipulated by darkseid.

And yes like you said, the battle came to a halt after Batman decided to use his wits to defeat Darkseid. So yeah he beat Darkseid.

@sethysquare said:

@vicioushero said:

@sethysquare said:

@vicioushero said:

@RainEffect said:

Uhhh.... Batman goes up against people who can destroy an entire planet, on a regular basis.

Thats crap. Who Bane? Joker? The Penguin? You DC fanboys are just ridiculous. Give it a rest already.

Purlease. Batman defeated Darkseid, Starro and other cosmic villains so many times single handedly. Have you heard of the term Batgod?

Spiderman is a simple hero and fights simple villains like the green goblin and venom.

He does not need gadgets and what not. You marvel fanboys are just ridiculous.

He does not fight Darkseid or any other cosmic villian on a regular basis. Spider-Man has gone up against cosmic villians too, but on a regular basis his rogues gallery are street level. Just like Batman.

It depends on what you mean by "regular basis" does every one or two years count? If not then I guess its not as regular as your definition of regular.

Also you are right when you're saying Batman's rogue gallery are street level. But your arguments for Spider-man should wear gadgets cos his villains are street levels just does not make sense. Just think about your own post.

Flash's rogue gallery are street level characters, should he wear gadgets too?

How about Wolverine? Should he wear gadgets too?

Lets put all the street level characters with street level rogue galleries in gadgets then and make them a batman knock off.

1. Batman does not go up against Darseid every 1 or 2 years.

B. NO one said street level characters need gadgets

and 4. It was said Batman needs gadgets because he goes against world busters on a regular basis which is just wrong

There is no need to debate this any longer. You're wrong get over it.

The spider glider...ah, what the hell?! That was just too far. It seems like on principle alone, using Goblin gear would be a big no no. But the way I see it, all the gizmos is laziness on the writer's part. "Oh, Spidey needs to fight someone who can control fire and ice. Geez, this could take a while...Wait! I got it! He can 'invent' such and such!" It's a cure all cheat for writers. Sure, some inventions are good, but when he pops up with so many things, it totally changes the character...did he even shoot a webline?! Spider sense? No, he was a good Green Goblin in red and blue. That's when you've crossed a line.

@sethysquare: Even with recent reboot, Flash is still overpowered

I'm saying that peter building gadgets isn't anything new, he build a sonic cannon to fight venom, a rubber suit to fight electro. The only reason peter wasn't making suits and gadgets back in those days, was simply down to limited funds.

@vicioushero said:

@sethysquare said:

@vicioushero said:

@sethysquare said:

@vicioushero said:

@RainEffect said:

Uhhh.... Batman goes up against people who can destroy an entire planet, on a regular basis.

Thats crap. Who Bane? Joker? The Penguin? You DC fanboys are just ridiculous. Give it a rest already.

Purlease. Batman defeated Darkseid, Starro and other cosmic villains so many times single handedly. Have you heard of the term Batgod?

Spiderman is a simple hero and fights simple villains like the green goblin and venom.

He does not need gadgets and what not. You marvel fanboys are just ridiculous.

He does not fight Darkseid or any other cosmic villian on a regular basis. Spider-Man has gone up against cosmic villians too, but on a regular basis his rogues gallery are street level. Just like Batman.

It depends on what you mean by "regular basis" does every one or two years count? If not then I guess its not as regular as your definition of regular.

Also you are right when you're saying Batman's rogue gallery are street level. But your arguments for Spider-man should wear gadgets cos his villains are street levels just does not make sense. Just think about your own post.

Flash's rogue gallery are street level characters, should he wear gadgets too?

How about Wolverine? Should he wear gadgets too?

Lets put all the street level characters with street level rogue galleries in gadgets then and make them a batman knock off.

1. Batman does not go up against Darseid every 1 or 2 years.

B. NO one said street level characters need gadgets

and 4. It was said Batman needs gadgets because he goes against world busters on a regular basis which is just wrong

There is no need to debate this any longer. You're wrong get over it.

1. I never said he go up against Darkseid every one or two years, but whenever theres a cosmic threat he would have a batgod moment where he uses his wits to save the day because writers loves Batman.

B. You seem to be arguing for that.

4. Well, no Bats needs gadgets because he doesn't have powers. He goes up against cosmic villains but he uses his wits to defeat them almost all the time. While the appeal for Spiderman isnt how awesome his gadgets are, but the simple peter parker without any gadgets and uses his spidey powers. I'm disgusted when I saw the trailer for the new spider-man cartoon when he rides a motorbike that shoots spider webs. That is gross. He doesn't need all these gadgets, he needs to be himself and not a red hood knock off and a batman knock off.

works for wanye and stark why not? i kinda dig his 20+ costumes

truly it just seems like an opening for more products to be purchased by us the consumer. great marketing marvel.

@nyx: Cause most heroes don't use their enemies designs against them right? Not to mention when was last time the green goblin himself used those things against spider-man?

@Death Certificate said:

@sethysquare: Even with recent reboot, Flash is still overpowered

I'm saying that peter building gadgets isn't anything new, he build a sonic cannon to fight venom, a rubber suit to fight electro. The only reason peter wasn't making suits and gadgets back in those days, was simply down to limited funds.

Flash isn't overpowered with the recent reboot. His "anticipating moves" power almost killed him, he have not been shown to phase through walls, time travelling is not possible now, so the things he can do are extremely limited.

Spiderman has build gadgets before, so did flash and all the other mid tier characters, but its not to an extend where its part of his daily activities. I mean spider balls, spider glider, spider motorcycle that shoots webs, please. He doesnt need all these razzle dazzle, he aint no batman and ironman. The previous formula works, he is the 3rd most iconic superhero. He climb walls and shoot webs, he isn't batman/ironman and he should stop trying to look like red hood.

Happening in the new cartoons as well -.- i sort of wish they got spidey some new enemies

I like the idea, shows off Peters smarts.

@sethysquare said:

Flash isn't overpowered with the recent reboot. His "anticipating moves" power almost killed him, he have not been shown to phase through walls, time travelling is not possible now, so the things he can do are extremely limited.

Of course he can phase through walls. He even phased an entire plane through a bridge. Do you read the book?

He is sooooo overpowered that Manapul had to come up with the "if you use your powers, you take the risk of punching holes through the space-time continuum" BS.

@DarthShap said:

@sethysquare said:

Flash isn't overpowered with the recent reboot. His "anticipating moves" power almost killed him, he have not been shown to phase through walls, time travelling is not possible now, so the things he can do are extremely limited.

Of course he can phase through walls. He even phased an entire plane through a bridge. Do you read the book?

He is sooooo overpowered that Manapul had to come up with the "if you use your powers, you take the risk of punching holes through the space-time continuum" BS.

Oh right, I forgot about that, but still, it does have a side effect. He wasnt meant to be over powered like I said, he was meant to be only a person with superspeed. Its the writers subsequently made him over powered.

But he would still be no where in the range of Martian Manhunter or Captain Atom or Superman. Which means he is mid tier, that makes him a good comparison with Peter Parker, because they are both mid tiers.

Peter is a scientist a brilliant one at that & he has always used gadgets & since hes not the strongest he needs them as well you dont honestly think he can just wear a non armored leotard & take on every threat? what if he gets shot? (that bullet proof suit) what if he has to take the entire sinster six? (cool deadpool looking suit) he really has always made gadgets even since the old days.

i remeber this one time he was working with nate grey to take down electro & he was wearing a rubber anti electro suit, then there came the metal suit , ect hes smart & never gets recognized for it without many of his gadgets including webshooters & trackers he would be very adequate to handle certain things & people btw... i made a blog about this actually lol

Marvel probably thinks he isn't Batman-enough :)

Spider man is getting on in years. He is in his 40's or something at this point and he may need to gadgets as a suplement. But i't's never bad to have a few things here and there to help you out. Even superman uses strange gadgets every once and a while.

I think that it is a good idea that peter has all these new toy it gives him a way to deal with his enemies more effectivly. I mean one of things that make up peter paker is that he is a pretty smart guy. haveing him have more inventions and letting him use them is just dandy. I like it when super heroes get power up even if it is for a short time like batman with a GL ring. Too bad they won't let peter incorporate all his inventions in his suit in like mini versions. that would be cool. They could call it technospider-man.

So in summary:

• The writer is adding more gadgetry into the story.
• That means the writer could pull a tower of babel if he wished.
• You also are iffy on changing the character.

I don't really understand that last one...is it a matter of concern over continuity or a matter of character derailment. Neither of those would make sense and I can't find any other reason as to why you would add that last part into the article.

Also as an unrelated side note I haven't read any spider-man as of late so I may be missing an obvious set up to a "hero changes what they do and then stuff goes wrong" plot but if this is just a genuine attempt at adding to the character then I can get behind that 100%

It doesn't sound like they're retconning all of his lower middle class tribulations. If he's doing a lot better for himself and stays at this level of helping people then it's actually making some forward progress on his overall story as opposed to the norm in most comic continuities where the same hero has to stay in the same spot in infinite. It sounds like interesting character development. Now the challenge remains in how Marvel would communicate his past in a way that does not trivialize it to mere continuity that you need to know and more to an understanding of the themes that drive the character.

OK so it could probably just summarized that I'm just trying to hard to find meaning in random things...

What's wrong with you Comicvine? Think of the toys!

I do not like Spiderman with gadgets, especially since he wears a skin tight suit. He will need more than a glider to carry all that stuff. Can't Marvel turn someone else into Batman?

Well the last picture answers the question. I mean with a rogues gallery as large as Spiderman's it's a given that most of theses guys (Rhino excluded) will be smart enough to evolve a bit in their tactics. The same trick usually won't work more than once or twice. So having him come up with gadgets to help him out makes sense. In most cases he is over powered by his foes, so he has to be strategic, this is just another level of that.

I think the gadgets are fine . Spider-man isn't actually a very powerful superhero yet he has to deal with any threat that comes his way from a purse snatcher to supervillains you would normally send the hulk or Thor to fight. Most people have one or two arch enemies spider man's arch-enemy is a team of six. And if Norman hadn't become more ambitious he'd probably still be trying to kill peter.

He's one of the few heroes in the mainstream marvel universe that consistently has the odds stacked against him no matter what, it's an essential part of a spider-man story. Having some gadgets that can help him be more versatile and empower him to take down bad guys with less casualties would be only be a good thing. If not for these gadgets a lot of people would die every time spider-man gets in over his head (which is pretty much every third issue).

comicvine, y u change arachnid-guy?

Am i the only one that likes the spider-glider??

I personally appreciate that Dan Slott is putting effort in establishing Peter's brilliance and intellect into creating different gadgets in helping him fight crime. He's only one man and most of his villains are more powerful than he is so why isn't he liable to help himself.

That glider was a bit over the top, but the idea of creating new suits is great. I think if any gadgets were to be carried with him, they should just be his classic web shooters and tracers. That's not to say he couldn't develop some special polymers or adapt the shooters for other purposes though.

@Sixsoda said:

Spider man is getting on in years. He is in his 40's or something at this point and he may need to gadgets as a suplement. But i't's never bad to have a few things here and there to help you out. Even superman uses strange gadgets every once and a while.

mid to late twenties actually.

Get this... Peter Parker is actually.... BATMAN!

I think it's cool he's incorporating new gadgets. He's using his head more which is always his best asset and it's a cool new way to take down his villains besides the same old fist fight approach although I would love to see some spider-Fu too.

Spider-Man put on a black suit and later Venom was created, he put on the Stark tech suit (Iron Spider) and the Scarlet Spiders were later created, he put on a stealth suit and now Kaine uses it. Even Ben Reilly's second costume is used by Spider-Girl in a different universe. Every time a spider character puts on a different suit another one pops up later. All they are doing is creating new weapons to create a new Spider Character. I bet Harry Osborn will some how become the Spider-Goblin or something like that in the future. Just give it time

Peter's brilliant, so why not use his genius to come up with gadgets? As long as they retain the overall Spider-Gimmick (Batman and Green Arrow got that down pat). I'd actually be okay with those Thermoreactive gel grenades if he didnt use the satchel or that Goblin Glider rip-off. I know Spidey's a jokester, but even he wouldn't create something like that to parody an enemy that caused him so much grief and heartbreak. It'd be like Batman using a Bat-derivitive of The Joker's Joker Toxin. Still gadgets are an okay plus, to an extent. He's got his webshooters. And a lot of people forget Peter has a utility belt under his costume. It holds his web-cartridges, spider-tracers, and even has a spider-signal for use as a flashlight or to scare criminals. It even holds his mask when he's in his street clothes.

Merchandising....pure and simple

Not if it makes sense for him to have them, and if he uses them frequently. Let's not go to far down the "Batman" road, though. He isn't THAT well paid.

Pesonally I like the ide of Spidey using gadgets. They are re to ehance his powers, not top replace them (well, usually). I also don't think having a glider or or bombs are in bad taste. Use what's effective!

I'm okay with Spider-Man creating new gadget as long as he isn't too dependant on them. But I don't think we'll have this problem.

I like the gadget dynamic, well, just Parker using his intellect as a weapon.

I found the old melodramatic, Spider-man ether gets beat up or heart broken, pretty played out and dry.

After all, he did invent web shooters AND come up with web formula in high school. That says pretty smart to me.

@ArtisticNeedham: GREAT post, I actually signed up to just about say the same.

Old school Peter Parker would often lose fights, especially first encounters, back when there was only a fraction of the villains existing today. It was something of a staple for him to whip up a solution.

Stan Lee hinted that he'd get stronger as he was only a teen, but with so many super strength characters out there, it's boring enough that most writers will just have him fall back on his physical ability. Of course... once you have a Spider Glider or Mobile, that's a bit too far...

Everything he's got, is cause he's been preparing for it, Peter is supposed to be one of the greatest young minds in the Marvel U so, except for the Glider, I'm sure is pretty clear that he's not making too much, in fact it just means that now he's got a way to use his potential at its best...

EXCEPT FOR THE GLIDER!!! COME ON MARVEL!!! REALLY?? First New Dark Avengers with crazy Oz and now Peter has a Goblin-like arsenal? I don't want to see that and I think no one does.

con tantos "gadgets" el hombre arana no parece q tiene super poderes

SLOWLY TURNING INTO A FUTURE PLANNER LIKE BATMAN!

@Kuwagata: Thanks. I get they feeling the acceleration in tech and gadgets Peter is going through may be building up to something BIG. He is gets more suits, more gadgets, and feeling happier and happier at Horizon. I worry some major fall is on its way.

I like the gadgets, they show how smart he actually is when he has the right materials. If he keeps going, he could be as smart as Stark. the gadgets he uses always are very much needed, cause he's usually weaker than the enemies he fights. He's not turning into Batman, he's not a rich playboy who uses sidekicks, or has a fancy cave or mansion. He's still the underdog, the lonely, super smart young guy who struggles to get by, and he fights all sorts of people, but always keeps his responsibility.