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    Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider as a teenager, granting him spider-like powers. After the death of his Uncle Ben, Peter learned that "with great power, comes great responsibility." Swearing to always protect the innocent from harm, Peter Parker became Spider-Man.

    Off My Mind: Does the New Ultimate Spider-Man's Race Matter?

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    #151  Edited By Osiris1428
    @EdBlank said:
    Of course race is an issue. This is America.  The reason why people are talking so much about it is the same reason Marvel made the change: it's a very provocative thing in our country.  It's okay to have "Black" superheroes. Actually some of them are even called "Black"[whatever]. Even if they are not called "Black"[whatever], their costume could be "urban" to signify their demographic.  This Ultimate Spider Man thing is kinda different becuse he's not coming in as "Black Spider" and he doesn't have dreads flowing out of the top of his mask. He's just coming in as plain ole Spiderman, top tier Marvel hero.   In the eyes of some Americans, this is above the station of a Black person. We could argue about the percentage Americans who feel a certain kind of way about this (including those who genuinely try to be PC and will read the book anyway), but I suggest that the average American sees some young (fictional) Black kid as unworthy of this honor.
    QF FRACKING TRUTH!!! 
    I would like to point out at this time a bad example of changing the ethnicity of a legacy character. Power Man/Vic Alvarez. Fred Van Lente wrote Power Man and Iron Fist. Terribly. Power Man was just some kid with attitude. The story was written poorly, and so were the character (Iron Fist was also very poorly under-written). There was no character arc, and just seemed not to care about the cohesiveness of the story whatsoever. This is the sort of thing that makes people not like minority characters, because their first experience with them is a very bad one. 
     
    Good example: Jamie Reyes, the new Blue Beetle. Very well written characterization, great story arcs, cool use of his powers, seen as an asset to the super hero community by the community itself and the fans who have read of his adventures. 
     
    You can make a great character of any background. different skin color, different planet, it doesn't matter. But these writers need to step their game up. We're watching....so you better put on a show.
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    #152  Edited By Omega-Man

    The thing is about this new guy isn't that he is black or a different race, it's simple of the matter that he just isn't Spider-man no matter how much he wants to be. (I'm not a marvel fan) Just like Batman who is a well known character like Spider-man it felt different when Dick Grayson took up the mantal. If this new guy can be spider-man but act NOTHING like the orignal and take it in a different direction his OWN direction then it would be cool.
     
    One thing that bugs me though is that they say they are going with the minority type of thing well...Black people are not that lesser known in comics asian people are.

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    #153  Edited By Fantasgasmic
    @EdBlank said:

    It's okay to have "Black" superheroes. Actually some of them are even called "Black"[whatever].          

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    #154  Edited By Darkmount1

    To all the naysayers who don't like the direction they're going with Ultimate Spider-Man: IT'S AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, DIPSTICKS!!! Go crawl under a KKK-stamped rock, you numnutzes!!!
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    #155  Edited By Tigerstriper

    Does The New Ultimate Spider-Man's Race Matter?
     
    No.
     
    'Nuff Said!

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    #156  Edited By kevin88wk

    wtf why would it matter anyone getting pissed that the new super heroe is black is freakin racist btw a bit out of subject in a way (im not a marvel fan so i don't too much of whats going on in the marvel universe) last i hear peter parker was spider man,so what happened to him? did he die?

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    #157  Edited By HumanTorch101

    The real reason I think people are freaking out about this is that this guy isn't Peter Parker. We all know that Peter is Spider-Man so having someone else as Spidey is just weird.

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    #158  Edited By acer51

    sorry if this comment is negative but  i dont really care what his race is he could be white chinese or even adlantian but if its not peter parker he's not really spiderman.
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    #159  Edited By crusader8463
    @kevin88wk said:
    wtf why would it matter anyone getting pissed that the new super heroe is black is freakin racist btw a bit out of subject in a way (im not a marvel fan so i don't too much of whats going on in the marvel universe) last i hear peter parker was spider man,so what happened to him? did he die?
    He feel into a bucket of black paint.
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    #161  Edited By BenReilly
    @kevin88wk: Yes, he died. Did you read the article..?
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    #162  Edited By BenReilly
    @CEO_OF_FRESH: Agreed. Crass, even. :/
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    #164  Edited By Boogey131

    Like a lot of people mentioned when Donald Glover had a semi-real Twitter campaign going to be the new Spider-Man, Peter Parker's race is not an essential part of his character, so, if it's plausible to see the original Spider-Man and the one most people know to be the Spider-Man as another race, then an all-new one is perfectly fine and is exactly the kind of stuff the Ultimate line should be doing. Ultimate is about re-creating these characters/franchises and making them accessible to a new audience and as a middle-class white guy I'm ok with Marvel exploring role models for other kids, I'll always have the other 90% of comic book characters to relate to and aspire to. And regardless of skin colour, the true inspiring thing about Spider-man is his resolve and undying morals against all odds. And that will be the big takeaway from this character.

    People are really jumping the gun though on calling his race his main characteristic, it's what everybody is talking about right now because, from the short story in Ultimate Fallout, there's not much to take away about who the character is beyond that and as we have seen time and time again(Cap America dead, Superman turning against the US, Cap America reborn etc.) the media likes to use the storylines in comic book to encapsulate the feelings and characteristics of America. "Could a black Spider-Man exist in the 70's and 80's?" "SHOULD Spider-Man be an ethnic minority?" etc all of these questions are just headlines that are in turn supposed to make the reader question the state of America.

    I for one will hold off judgement of the character once we see who he is rather than what his race is.

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    #165  Edited By MSBoyd23

    I don't care about his race. I'm more worried about Aunt May, Gwen, and Mary Jane--are they just done, or are they going to get a part to play in Miles' story?
     
    And the Ultimate Universe isn't so set on not bringing characters back from the dead as they'd like you to think. Exhibit A: Gwen Stacey.
    (And I was 98% sure she would be the new Spider-man with some latent Carnage powers. *Sigh* My imagination gets me too riled up sometimes.)

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    #166  Edited By Walker696

    I think the real thing that troubles me is why people assume you have to be the same race as someone to relate to them in the first place. I'm a black man, raised up around black guys, and most people tell me I'm the whitest guy they know. To be honest I probably relate more to Peter then I do Luke Cage. I don't feel like the race of a character should even matters when it comes to relating, I think how they act and react to what they deal with does. I could care less about race in my stories as long as they can 1) put a good story behind it, 2) don't make the whole series about race 3) use a whole bunch of stereotypes. To be truthful I hated Luke Cage for a long time because of the way he was portrayed as a black man and I never related to him

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    #167  Edited By 2HeadedNinja

    So, as someone who is interested in comics but can't really get them anywhere (marvel and DC suck at selling that stuff in germany it seems) ... is there any word on how the new Spiderman got his powers? Does he have the same powers as Peter had?

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    #168  Edited By themanwoaname

    in a world: where the death of a hero...
    that could hardly pay the rent left an empty space... 
    when simply just being a loser wasnt enough... 
    a black hispanic teenager that could also hardly pay the rent was destined to take his place.
     
    spiderman returns!
     
     
     
     
     
    it's another stupid idea from marvel! i call it a monday.

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    #169  Edited By Gerhabio

    I think it does matter because it could give him a radically different worldview from Parker's and change his priorities. His background will be different and perhaps more interesting.

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    #170  Edited By deadpool2099

    I didn't even know they still continued the ultimate storyline but anyway i'm all for someone who's none peter parker to be spiderman... i mean really between all the movie reboots and cartoons over the years i wouldn't mind seeing someone who's a lil less of a crybaby be spiderman
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    #171  Edited By Mr.Q
    ... at least they're keeping the alliterative name thing.
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    #172  Edited By mijetman

    It doesn't matter what race Spider-Man (or any super hero) is, as long as there are cool stories and race isn't a major issue. 
    Not that that wouldn't be an interesting story aspect but it shouldn't be a hook. 
    If marvel can continue to deliver a teenager with powers, juggling school life and super hero identity, I'll be happy.

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    #173  Edited By darth bul

    who cares as long as there are good stories

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    #174  Edited By TheRedRobin

    I dont get why its a big deal to so many.
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    #175  Edited By rhstickler

    Yahoo news beat Comicvine to this. CV sure is slow.

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    #176  Edited By Emils_katt

    This is excellent, the only thing wrong with it is that this discussion is even taking place. My mate Anders Breivik begs to differ with me though; this is all to "politically correct" he says, and he is very concerned about losing traditional values, which he says is intimately connected to letting "these people" in, ultimately replacing all white people.

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    #177  Edited By BKole

    This shouldn't even be a big media thing. It should be about an Alternate Universe Spider-Man being dead, not about the fact he is Latino or Black. 
     
    Its 2011, we shouldn't be getting up in arms over someone who isn't white. CNN is saying Spider-Man should be race neutral. What does that even mean? Idiots at my work place are telling me that Spider-Man can't be Black, because he's white. The general non-comic public don't understand its an alternate reality. My Girlfriends Mum asked me what I thought about Spider-Man being Black and Gay, because thats being thrown in there. 
     
    Honestly, it shocks me that a group of people like comic fans, who most commonly represent the bullied, oppressed and socially isolated people should be so bloody bigotted and closed minded. We're all people who're brought together for a love of comics because they provide something for us, an escapism away from being bullied because we like science, or we're fat, or we're gay or we're of a different ethnicity. We should all know what its like to be singled out and different, so to see such vitriol against what is essentially just a different story with a different character under a familiar brand is..well, its upsetting. We shouldn't be driving our group into even smaller groups because of racism and misunderstanding, we should be a single, unified community under one banner. 
     
    I'm not saying you have to like every character but for goodness sakes, don't dislike this one because he's Black. That's just daft.

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    #178  Edited By JonesDeini
    @Deadcool said:

    No, I never cared for the new Spider-man's race, what I actually cared is in his name and if he was a character that already existed, for me, being a random character with a random name was what make me feel a little sad, but then I imaginated the posibilities and I started to like the idea... 
     
    I would love that at least he was named Miguel O'Hara ;_;... 
     
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    I don't read the Ultimate books so I got zero investment in this. But what you propose would've been AWESOME, folk. I loved 2099 Spidey as a kid :)
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    #179  Edited By ricpez

    no, it does not matter. just hope he not gay.

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    #180  Edited By clumsyninja

    Unless you live in some kind of Midwest-Southern racist state i think being a multiracial super heroes is fine.; especially in New York/L.A.

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    #181  Edited By Navek

    To all Ultimate Universe haters: Go #$%# yourself you change hating racist pieces of *&%$. I'll have you know this is my favorite line of comics because it' s more realistic. Haters, I bid you go day.

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    #182  Edited By JonesDeini
    @Osiris1428 said:
    When I see a person, I do see their skin color. I'm not afraid to admit it. Because I'm smart enough to know that acknowledging the differences alone doesn't make you a bigot. There are so many things that make up 'self', and ethnicity is one of them. We are beautifully complex creatures, and nothing is wrong with observing and appreciating the details that weave our uniqueness.  
     
    Now, on to the business of diversity being "shoved down our throats", and "comics making a big deal about it," 'cuase I'm lost. I am seriously without a clue as to what most people mean by that. In real life, I'm sorry, but going back to all these different things that make a 'self', some of these things can be observed with the casual eye about an individual, and those things can and sometimes does effect how society treats them. If that were to happen, would that be "shoving it in your face?" It doesn't have to happen in every single panel. But, completely glossing over some of the awkward moments and un-niceties the world offers becomes a little stale and misses out on opportunities for character development. 
      
    In the early days of comics, minorities did not have the buying power that they have now. The demographic that did often would buy what would allow them to indulge in a power fantasy of seeing their super-selves being great, mighty, and heroic. In abundance. They were specifically catered to because quite simply, they had the economic buying power. Today, that demographic is ever decreasing and almost everything else is growing, not only in number, but in buying power as well.  
        While so many are crying "political correctness", please keep in mind: the comic industry is dying. And if dying is too strong a word, let's just say that it's not making the money it did ten to twenty years ago. It's a mad dash to figure out how to save it. "Should we re-number our books to be more friendly to those who may be intimidated by decades of long and complex continuity? 'Why, by god, we may never know until we try!'" "Should we make our comics more easily available to the iPad/Kindle/iPhone generation of e-readers?? 'Comics on-the-go?? Why, that's a splendid idea!!'" "Have you noticed that there are more people who don't read comics than there are who do, and a lot of the ones who don't, do not look like our heroes...could they some how feel...left out?? 'Why, the Census Bureau Reports have been saying that before 2050, the US will be minority-majority nation. Let's make comics that reflect the world as it really is today, and tomorrow!!TO THE FUTURE!!!'" 
     
        For the comics industry, it's about survival. There is a reason why they renumber. Why they have event after event. Why they deliberately "spoil." Why they do controversial things like change the ethnicity of characters. It's because half the time, all they have to do is mention it once, and it starts a wild fire of controversy. They don't have to shove anything down your throat, you will do it for them. In chat rooms. On blog sites. On social networking sites. Moan and complain. We are nerds. We show our love for the things we enjoy by trying to posses encyclopedic knowledge of the things we celebrate and treat the beloved source material like scripture. Most nerds are afraid of change. It's who we are. But the world is changing. Evolving. So should we. Because if we keep treating comics like the "He-Man woman Haters Club", we are going to be inside that thing when it burns down, while everyone else is just looking at us like the Dodo.  
        Too many of us are treating comics like Lenny does rabbits in 'Of Mice And Men.' "George, I just want to pet it, and rub it, and treat it like my very own". And then you wind up killing the damn thing in your hand. Open up your palm. Relax.  Breathe. Let new readers who may not have previously been interested in comics in so the industry can stay alive. Otherwise, what can I say, but, "it's been real."
    Tabernacle preach, synagogue speech, and my the mo' flushin' Mosque Mosh, folk!!!! Ain't nothin' left to do but pass the collection plate after that rousing sermon. 
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    #183  Edited By Citizen_Icon
    @Spiderslike: I don't think we as a society are there yet. For some reason, people of all races seem to have a problem with those not of their race. But if we keep posting and accepting things as simple as this comic strip, one day people will just be people instead of (insert race here) people.
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    #184  Edited By Speedy92286
    @FeverSteed said:
    Race will be an issue as long as you keep talking about it. Define Miles as a kid and not a half black, half latino kid. If Marvel didn't address the topic of his ethnicity and just said "This is your new Spider-man" it would have been a small but powerful step in the right direction.
    I totally agree with this. Why they are focusing so much on his race and sexual orientation (I read in the New York Times he is or may be gay) is beyond me. They got rid of Peter Parker and instead of introducing Miles as such, he is the "minority superhero that could". I haven't read much of Ultimate Spider-man or Ultimates in general, but I am intrigued. I am not a great fan of Bendis when he takes established characters, but when he has more free roam he is fantastic. I have high hopes for Miles and perhaps that hope will be well rewarded.
     
    If this was "regular" Spider-man it would get a lot more controversy. Maybe they are testing the waters with Ultimate Spider-man to see how it works? Perhaps they want to replace Peter in 616 Marvel, as well? Just something to think about.
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    #185  Edited By Citizen_Icon
    @Osiris1428: Well said!
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    #186  Edited By JonesDeini
    @Nosfistis said:
    I'm confused. I am not an american. But you people didn't care about race when electing your president, but when a super-hero goes black you say "WTF"? 
    LMAO I'm from the states (but grew up overseas) the ignorance of this nation never ceases to amuse me. And for the record people cared/care a whole lot about the ethnicity of Obama. I remember election night on my campus (in the conservative, still very ethnically tense South) and I really learned how a lot of my classmates felt about my people. But hey I was "one of the good ones and not like the others" so they didn't mean any of those ugly words towards me...:-/
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    #187  Edited By dcfox

    The idea of having more minorities in comics is a great idea, but I don't like having them shoe horned in. In the examples in the article, Batman, Captain America, and Iron Man, it made sense when they were replaced because they were replaced by people close to them. In this case Miles has no relation to Peter. Why not just have him be his own hero?

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    #188  Edited By Deadcool
    @JonesDeini
    thanks...
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    #189  Edited By sladewilson30

    No it doesn't, I mean look at how Harvey Dent and the Kingpin have been portrayed before, both African-American in their first box-office appearance, and now Zack Snyder has cast Laurence Fishburne as Perry White in the new Superman film. So no, it shouldn't matter.
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    #190  Edited By blackkitty

    Doesn't matter who they put in the suit cause, sales will plummet so far so fast they'll have to bring back Peter Parker and relaunch the book.

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    #191  Edited By ryanwh

    Pro tip: if you're talking about whether or not something matters, then it matters. Something not mattering doesn't inspire discussion.

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    #192  Edited By MrMiracle77
    @blackkitty said:
    Doesn't matter who they put in the suit cause, sales will plummet so far so fast they'll have to bring back Peter Parker and relaunch the book.
    I see this being the direction as well.  Regardless of Marvel's intentions, to non-Spider-Man readers Miles Morales comes off as little more than a marketing committee stunt.  He's half African-American, half Hispanic?  Why not go the Tunnel Rat (GI Joe) route and throw in Native American, Southeast Asian and a little Irish just for fun?  They're not going to pull in any new readers, and if anything they're going to lose the few remaining moderate readers that could stomach Bendis' ever-dipping political slant.
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    #193  Edited By Migz13

    No matter how they portray the guy, as long as he's in interesting stories then it's all good for me. Nuff said.

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    #194  Edited By Poncho

    JJ is gonna be considered a white white supremacist now
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    #195  Edited By Poncho

    now JJ is a white supremacist

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    #196  Edited By _Zombie_

    As I am a general Spidey hater(noir, 2099, and marvel zombies spidey being the only exceptions so far), I just do not care.  Even if I did,  I wouldn't hate him because he's not white and possibly not straight.  I just don't see race/orientation as that big of a factor in whether or not I like a character.  So I just don't care. :/

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    #197  Edited By Joeybagad0nutz
    @RainEffect said:
    Very well written article. I enjoyed that read.   Honestly, I think Marvel is trying to be too politically correct lately. It's not necessary. I'm not saying I'm against ethnically diverse heroes, but Marvel shouldn't feel they need to bend to the political spectrum.

    I don't know what it is, but when you type, I seem to agree with you a lot. Including this statement.
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    #198  Edited By Osiris1428
    @JonesDeini said:
    @Osiris1428 said:
    When I see a person, I do see their skin color. I'm not afraid to admit it. Because I'm smart enough to know that acknowledging the differences alone doesn't make you a bigot. There are so many things that make up 'self', and ethnicity is one of them. We are beautifully complex creatures, and nothing is wrong with observing and appreciating the details that weave our uniqueness.  
     
    Now, on to the business of diversity being "shoved down our throats", and "comics making a big deal about it," 'cuase I'm lost. I am seriously without a clue as to what most people mean by that. In real life, I'm sorry, but going back to all these different things that make a 'self', some of these things can be observed with the casual eye about an individual, and those things can and sometimes does effect how society treats them. If that were to happen, would that be "shoving it in your face?" It doesn't have to happen in every single panel. But, completely glossing over some of the awkward moments and un-niceties the world offers becomes a little stale and misses out on opportunities for character development. 
      
    In the early days of comics, minorities did not have the buying power that they have now. The demographic that did often would buy what would allow them to indulge in a power fantasy of seeing their super-selves being great, mighty, and heroic. In abundance. They were specifically catered to because quite simply, they had the economic buying power. Today, that demographic is ever decreasing and almost everything else is growing, not only in number, but in buying power as well.  
        While so many are crying "political correctness", please keep in mind: the comic industry is dying. And if dying is too strong a word, let's just say that it's not making the money it did ten to twenty years ago. It's a mad dash to figure out how to save it. "Should we re-number our books to be more friendly to those who may be intimidated by decades of long and complex continuity? 'Why, by god, we may never know until we try!'" "Should we make our comics more easily available to the iPad/Kindle/iPhone generation of e-readers?? 'Comics on-the-go?? Why, that's a splendid idea!!'" "Have you noticed that there are more people who don't read comics than there are who do, and a lot of the ones who don't, do not look like our heroes...could they some how feel...left out?? 'Why, the Census Bureau Reports have been saying that before 2050, the US will be minority-majority nation. Let's make comics that reflect the world as it really is today, and tomorrow!!TO THE FUTURE!!!'" 
     
        For the comics industry, it's about survival. There is a reason why they renumber. Why they have event after event. Why they deliberately "spoil." Why they do controversial things like change the ethnicity of characters. It's because half the time, all they have to do is mention it once, and it starts a wild fire of controversy. They don't have to shove anything down your throat, you will do it for them. In chat rooms. On blog sites. On social networking sites. Moan and complain. We are nerds. We show our love for the things we enjoy by trying to posses encyclopedic knowledge of the things we celebrate and treat the beloved source material like scripture. Most nerds are afraid of change. It's who we are. But the world is changing. Evolving. So should we. Because if we keep treating comics like the "He-Man woman Haters Club", we are going to be inside that thing when it burns down, while everyone else is just looking at us like the Dodo.  
        Too many of us are treating comics like Lenny does rabbits in 'Of Mice And Men.' "George, I just want to pet it, and rub it, and treat it like my very own". And then you wind up killing the damn thing in your hand. Open up your palm. Relax.  Breathe. Let new readers who may not have previously been interested in comics in so the industry can stay alive. Otherwise, what can I say, but, "it's been real."
    Tabernacle preach, synagogue speech, and my the mo' flushin' Mosque Mosh, folk!!!! Ain't nothin' left to do but pass the collection plate after that rousing sermon. 
    Thanks!! I appreciate that!!
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    #199  Edited By Osiris1428
    @Citizen_Icon said:
    @Osiris1428: Well said!
    Thank you!!
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    #200  Edited By Silkcuts
    @Fantasgasmic said:
      @Silkcuts said:

    Did anyone comment on Donald Glover?  He wanted to be Spider-Man and how that is possible. 

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    THAT is the reason I'm not feeling good about Miles as Spiderman.  I mean I'm not crazy about the fact that he has no connection to Peter at all (at least, not in what I've read of Ultimate Spiderman), but they can always retcon something believable. 
     
    My big fear is that they saw all the Donald Glover hype on twitter (I don't like Community, so i didn't follow it) and decided "if we put in a character who looks like this actor, then we can license it out as a way to make an easy buck." And THAT makes it feel dishonest when they say that they want the comic to reflect the diversity of the real world. 
     
    …and apparently, according to Bendis, that was a major factor in their decision.
    I am glad my mix feelings is shared.  Well not shared, but we share the part of me that feels this is a stunt and a BS cover story to explain the stunt.  If Marvel really wanted diversity, then I wish them all the best, but if reaping the Glover love is their goal then I feel bad for Miles because his creation is a perversion.  I am a colored person and while Kyle Rayner replaced Hal I felt that was a victory for the latin people.  Outside of Black Panther, Luke Cage, Bishop and Storm, Marvel doesn't really have that huge headliner Black Character and by making Spider-Man colored in the Ultimate universe this can be seen as a win for colored people everywhere.  I understand the bitter taste with no connection to peter parker, but sometimes a drastic face lift is good, like when Kyle became GL.

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