Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider as a teenager, granting him spider-like powers. After the death of his Uncle Ben, which he could have prevented, Peter learned that "with great power, comes great responsibility." Swearing to always protect the innocent from harm, Peter Parker became the Amazing Spider-Man!
The original trilogy was awesome. There was no need to reboot it after Spider-man 3. I loved 3, but there's a lot of hate for it for some reason. Instead of just looking at the mistakes they made in 3 and fixing them in 4, they decided to reboot it. Fine. But when you have something as good as the original three, and reboot it with that complete sh*t called The Amazing Spider-man, why can't we just pretend it never happened? Superman, Batman, and Hulk hit rock bottom for their movies and they got rebooted. Well, Spider-man has now hit rock bottom. Is there any chance this will be rebooted?
Which I don't want to happen surprisingly. I don't want Spidey in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I love the character, but can't we have him and the X-men in their own universe?
@TheCannon: that can really be the only way. Sony has the rights and it seems that the only long term goals they have is to continue keeping the rights. If you don't want it to be crappy, in my personal opinion, give the rights back. You can have a reboot and if written correctly, can keep spiderman on his own.
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Posted by Razero
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- 5 months, 15 days ago
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@TheCannon: It wasn't flawless by any means, but at least it didn't have Peter as a jazz loving emo. It also handled Venom, my favorite villain, horribly.
Whether the casting choices were bad is just personal preference I guess. I though Garfield done a good job as Parker.
@TheCannon: It wasn't flawless by any means, but at least it didn't have Peter as a jazz loving emo. It also handled Venom, my favorite villain, horribly.
Whether the casting choices were bad is just personal preference I guess. I though Garfield done a good job as Parker.
No, instead it had Peter as a teenager going around everywhere with a skateboard.
And the casting was just terrible other than Gwen. Martin Sheen and Sally Field were a horrible Uncle Ben and Aunt May, and Dennis Leary was a horrific George Stacy. At that point Curt Connors didn't even matter since we were overwhelmed by the other bad casting. And Andrew did a decent job for the role, though that role WAS NOT Peter Parker.
@Razero: I have no problem with Uncle Ben's death being kind of rushed, since it does have to be in a Spider-man movie where the origin is completely retold. But that doesn't mean they can't have good casting for Uncle Ben.
@TheCannon : Having Peter as a skater type rather then a nerdy bookworm was an unusual direction to go in, I admit.
That's one criticism everyone makes about ASM that I don't get. In the comics, Peter is a nerd yes, but more importantly, he's a social outcast, he's picked on or ignored in school, and ASM captured that. The thing you have to get is, what is "uncool" changes with the time, bookworm nerds who do nothing but homework and calculus don't really exist in high schools anymore, at least, not the ones i went to, and I've been to three since I move a lot. However I DO see skateboarders who wear skinny jeans and listen to alternative music all the time. They may be "hipsters' but they are by no means actually popular, and that's what Peter was in the film. I'll say it right now, I liked Skateboarder Peter much more than nerdy, "Randomly blurting out facts about spiders" Peter we saw in Raimi's films.
I really do think that people look at the Raimi trilogy with rose colored glasses....the only good casting choices were Aunt May and Jameson...the rest of the cast was horrible....Spider-man was horribly written in the trilogy with not one single wise crack....the Green Goblin was a reject from the Power Rangers and horribly overacted by Dafoe....MJ was just a plain bad casting choice...the second movie was ok but not nearly as good as everyone makes it out to be and the third was just bad
while Amazing Spider-man was by no means a perfect movie it was definitely a better portrayal of Spider-man than the Raimi trilogy and I feel like it could only get better with time
Spider-Man 1 was pretty good. Spider-Man 2 was amazing. Probably the best superhero flick up until that point. Spider-Man 3 was wrong in so many different ways (making Sandman Uncle Ben's killer, all the singing, the very forced inclusion of Venom, etc).
Amazing Spider-Man had one good thing going for it: Emma Stone. I think she was miles ahead of the typical "girlfriend" characters that we usually see in comic book movies. Other than that though, it was very unoriginal and borrowed a ton from previous Spider-Man and Batman movies. Andrew Garfield was way too emo and it bothered me that he wouldn't keep the damn mask on his face. I agree that the reboot was way too soon. Spider-Man 4 would have made more sense.
I really do think that people look at the Raimi trilogy with rose colored glasses....the only good casting choices were Aunt May and Jameson...the rest of the cast was horrible....Spider-man was horribly written in the trilogy with not one single wise crack....the Green Goblin was a reject from the Power Rangers and horribly overacted by Dafoe....MJ was just a plain bad casting choice...the second movie was ok but not nearly as good as everyone makes it out to be and the third was just bad
while Amazing Spider-man was by no means a perfect movie it was definitely a better portrayal of Spider-man than the Raimi trilogy and I feel like it could only get better with time
Couldn't agree more, the "Oh no, you've found my weakness, it's small knives!'' crack in ASM was funnier than anything Tobey said in any of the Raimi movies, I cringed at his wise cracks, "That's a nice outfit, did your mommy make it for you?" come on man.
@TheCannon : Having Peter as a skater type rather then a nerdy bookworm was an unusual direction to go in, I admit.
That's one criticism everyone makes about ASM that I don't get. In the comics, Peter is a nerd yes, but more importantly, he's a social outcast, he's picked on or ignored in school, and ASM captured that. The thing you have to get is, what is "uncool" changes with the time, bookworm nerds who do nothing but homework and calculus don't really exist in high schools anymore, at least, not the ones i went to, and I've been to three since I move a lot. However I DO see skateboarders who wear skinny jeans and listen to alternative music all the time. They may be "hipsters' but they are by no means actually popular, and that's what Peter was in the film. I'll say it right now, I liked Skateboarder Peter much more than nerdy, "Randomly blurting out facts about spiders" Peter we saw in Raimi's films.
I don't have a problem with it, I actually preferred Peter that way,like you said he was more believable, I just think it was unusual.
I gotta say, I liked Andrew's Parker more than Tobey's. Andrew had the confidence that Tobey's lacked. Tobey pulled off a really nerdy, geeky, dude, but Parker's not just that guy. While he was really nerdy early on, soon as he got his powers, he got a huge confidence boost (naturally). Andrew had that. And his Spidey was much better. Constantly making jokes while fighting the Lizard, actually attacking him like a spider when fighting as a man didn't work. Tobey's wisecracks fell flat, Andrew actually delivered them decently.
Now all that said, I disliked the Amazing Spider-Man movie. I thought Spidey's scenes in that film were awesome, simply because Spidey's awesome, but everything else fell too far away from the comic for me to like.
I'd like a reboot, but the only way that's happening is if Marvel gets the rights back. Which I wholeheartedly approve of.
Either way, I want it put years after the origin (in the case of a continuation of Amazing, jump forward in time), when Spidey's older, knows exactly what he can do, and knows how to do it. That way we can finally see the exact level of his abilities on screen, like dodging bullets with ease and tossing around cars. Tobey's Spidey was good, but just didn't show it to the level I think Spidey in the comics has. Also, jumping it forward or making a reboot (skip the origin to show an older Spidey) would allow them to put on my Spidey/Peter of choice. Again, Garfield was good, but this guy's already proven to be a great Peter and Spidey. Behold, Josh Keaton.
In case you're unfamiliar with his work as Spidey:
spidey fans finally get a good movie and they trash it , this is why your cartoons don't last long
What are you talking about good movie? We got three good ones from 2002-2004. They reboot it for no reason and we get that crapfest.
@Yung ANcient One said:
How many Reboots has Batman had? (+)
Depends. Technically, the 89 movie was a reboot of the 1966 film based on the TV series. But most people count the 89 movie as the first bat-film. It was rebooted in 05, and it will be rebooted in the next few years.
The original trilogy was awesome. There was no need to reboot it after Spider-man 3. I loved 3, but there's a lot of hate for it for some reason. Instead of just looking at the mistakes they made in 3 and fixing them in 4, they decided to reboot it. Fine. But when you have something as good as the original three, and reboot it with that complete sh*t called The Amazing Spider-man, why can't we just pretend it never happened? Superman, Batman, and Hulk hit rock bottom for their movies and they got rebooted. Well, Spider-man has now hit rock bottom. Is there any chance this will be rebooted?
I think a lot of fans thought ASM was markedly better than spider-man 3. The Dance scene alone in 3 was so awful, I can't think of anything that would be even remotely as bad as that scene. That said, it's all about personal opinions. I think Andrew Garfield is a better Peter Parker than Tobey, I like the love story in ASM better, the banter is WAY better, and I like that they're spending more time in high school. But, the stuff with Peter's powers coming out in public (breaking the back board, bending the uprights on the football field by tossing the ball, etc. is too over the top). I love two-thirds of the original trilogy and I like parts (albeit, very few parts) of the 3rd movie. The end of 3 seems to me like a decent place to leave that chapter of spider-man, and ASM was successful enough that the company is going to continue with it, so there is really no point to rebooting it. That said, I'm sure at some point in the future the franchise will be rebooted again and we'll all have another set of movies to nit-pick about.
Spider-man 2>> The Amazing Spider-man> Spider-man 1=Spider-man 3. (I liked Spider-man 3 as well. The Dancing "Emo" Parker scenes were intentionally cheesy as hell. Don't know why people can't see that.)
Reboot not needed. ASM was great, just not as good as SM2. Will need to wait for the sequels to see how it stacks up overall.
ASM is far from a "complete shit"... actually its a pretty good movie, i liked it and so did the audience and most of the critics... the numbers speak for themselves.... its not going to be rebooted anytime soon..
Although I have no problem with the current reboot i'm still waiting for a Spider-man movie that features a Peter Parker who isn't in his teens. That is getting old now (oh the irony!).
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Posted by SoA
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@Superguy0009e: not so much disagree as much as do not understand the hate for ASM . viners commenting make it seem this the worst movie marvel has ever put out and yet i can think of 4 : wolverine, both ghost riders , and elektra . were down right horrible. given my first comment on this thread was out of boredom now im just amazed and curious . i never knew there was so much animosity towards ASM
I liked the Amazing Spider-Man movie, but it wasn't my favorite.
Spider-Man 2>Amz=Spider-Man>>Spider-Man 3
I really liked how well Gwen was cast, and how smart Peter was, but I was sad when he didn't use his powers to wrestle (like every other Spider-Man origin), how he gave up on Uncle Ben so soon, how there was no Jameson, and it almost felt like he didn't take anything serious (the promise to Mr. Stacy went out the window, he took someone else's badge, he went into a limited access room)
And for the animosity (to put it nicely): I have huge problems with the character of Peter Parker in this film. Ignoring the fact he really isn't a nerd/geek anymore, they turned him into a pretty boy. In the previous movie, you saw him get picked on and ignored because he was an easy target in those big glasses. Also, ASM Peter was just not Peter from the comics, and the ending proved it. In the end, PETER PARKER IGNORED THE WISHES OF A MAN THAT DIED BECAUSE OF HIM TO GET WITH A GIRL THAT WE ALL KNOW IS GOING TO DIE BECAUSE OF HIM.
I could go on, but to put it simply: Bad writing for Peter./ I didn't feel any heart.
I really do think that people look at the Raimi trilogy with rose colored glasses....the only good casting choices were Aunt May and Jameson...the rest of the cast was horrible....Spider-man was horribly written in the trilogy with not one single wise crack....the Green Goblin was a reject from the Power Rangers and horribly overacted by Dafoe....MJ was just a plain bad casting choice...the second movie was ok but not nearly as good as everyone makes it out to be and the third was just bad
while Amazing Spider-man was by no means a perfect movie it was definitely a better portrayal of Spider-man than the Raimi trilogy and I feel like it could only get better with time
I agree with you with Aunt May and Jameson, but other than that, those movies are legendary and awesome. Spider-Man was a trilogy about being a hero and living with difficult decisions. In the first movie, Peter gave up EVERYTHING to be Spider-Man, in the second one he had to live with the consequences of making sacrifices, and the third one (as flawed as it is) show the dangers of being over gratuitous and cocky after getting recognized for those sacrifices.
And yes, the Amazing Spider-Man may throw around some more jokes, but he was just such an a$$ to people.
This would be another short video explaining my problems with it. I will say that I am greatly biased towards the first movies, but that's because they are good and superior.
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