It's closed but due to the flame chain comments but it did bring up some points I agree with despite it being a total spidey bash thread. I do want to know, if Spider-Man is so Amazing, and he's is this despite the horrible tragedies in his life(deaths and letting people die), why doesn't he have a man's "amazing" conviction to those events. He cries and moans and puts the blame on others and himself instead of let handling the despair with sheer determination and pluckiness, really he should be less hard on himself and more adjustable to death by now thanks to his experience over the years, but he constantly whines about being helpless and wangsts about doing nothing about it even if it never even directly was his fault.

A lot of fans want Spidey to be mature and well moderate in manhood and in life with bigger responsibilities and priorities both personal and general but, he's still written as a ignorant simple minded kid with a naïve outlook instead of a realistically accustomed understandable man with a clear sense of the real world; both good and bad. So every time people call Spider-Man a relatable person who is basically as real as you and I, theres the writing that contradicts Spider-Man's actual concept from an actual real life man and a idealistic man child who's title doesn't match his beliefs because any of us can be as flawed as Spidey but those flaws aren't suppose to embody a childish perspective on justice and morality, and men can actually relate to other characters who embody the convienance of what it takes for human beings to uphold heroism as an adult.

Cap and Spidey are two of the most moral pure heroes in the Marvel U, so why is it that Steve looks so much better being the man with the divine values of hope and goodwill while Spidey looks like a over compensating kid in a mans body looking much more impractical. Because writing dictates that Peter compared to Steve is a child and a underwhelming person to be a moral example due to you know him always screwing up but trying his best anyways which is like saying a for effort but f for attempt.