@Deranged Midget: Yeah agreed. And btw, Kaine's new series is just awesome. Kaine is such a badass and the stories can be very interesting, intense and entertaining. It's like watching a spider-man with the exact opposite personality of the original( you know, Real spidey would never threaten to kill anybody's family like Kaine did in issue 5 ), which make the series a nice irony( in a good way of course ), if you get my meaning! :)
how strong is spider-man?
@spidey 15: Oh for sure! I love that Yost has differentiated Kaine from Peter so much. They have the same genes, basically same powers but they are so different. It makes the book interesting and you aren't just reading another Spider-man book. I love how Kaine altered the costume to look differently, even though I think something darker would suit Kaine better.
@Deranged Midget: Yeah, exactly. It's something refreshing when it comes to spider-man stories.
Hah, it's what Kaine said anyways. He would much prefer a darker suit as well, that's why he chose spidey's Big Time suit. Also what he said about being called " Dark Spider" would also sound a pretty badass name for him, but Scarlet Spider is also a good name since it gives another irony to the book( you know what i mean ). ;p
@Silver2467: Well, you're partially wrong. Take a look:
For the US Army, the average combat medium tank was
1. 6 tons WW1 M1917 Renault Tank
2. 30 tons WW2 M-4 Sherman Tank
3. 52 tons Vietnam War M-48 Patton Tank (Vietnam War: 17 tons M-551 Sheridan Light Tank)
4. 67 tons M-1 Abrams Tank
@Deranged Midget said:
@spidey 15: So what's your take on "No Turning Back" ?
Unfortunately in ASM i'm left a bit behind. This happened to me before, but i managed to reach every issue that i missed. Then i'm behind once again. It's so bad, i have even missed Ends of Earth, though i'm planning to buy the whole arc on ebay.
As for "No turning back", i've heard of it in a Dan Slott interview. I think Dan said it will be a pretty dark arc! if that's the case then i'm excited!
@Deranged Midget: Indeed bro, it sucks. And that is because, the last times i've visited the only market in my city( not exactly comicbook shop ) where i could find most issues of any series i want, the ASM either it didn't arrive or it was sold out! :(
Marvel comics strength rating thingies have NO BASIS IN MATHS. Or real world stuff.
For instance, Hulk and Thor and Namor and gang are supposed to be only 100 tonners, but they're definitely capable of MUCH more than that... same for all the 75 tonners and 90 tonners etc.
Also, some crazy writers wrote issues where WOLVERINE was STRONGER than Spidey. I can tell you those issues made me MAD! :(
Spider-Man is able to life 10 tons. Which is strong enough that he could lift a tank over his head or kill most villians with a single punch if he didn't hold back on his punches. After "The Other" story, Spider-Man's strength was increased to 25 tons, but was returned back to 10 tons after "One More Day".
But There's no proof that Pete has gotten any weaker. No handbooks or panel statements. Just speculation. Pete might still be in the 20 ton range.
Originally Spider-man was said to be at 10tons. However in one of the early issues Stan Lee said Spider-mans strength would increase the older he got. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was pushing 20+ tonnage by now before becoming strained considering the enormous feats of strength he's performed when straining himself.
It says here that Spider-Man can lift up to a hundred times his own weight thats: 165*100=16,500 pounds converting into metric tons that's:
8 tonnes which means the "8 times their own weight" only applies to spiders but in human terms as stated here it's a hundred times their own body weight, and I guess Marvel changed it to 10 tonnes for some reason
I think we need some comparisons here.
How much can Spidey's villains life? How about Hulk, Rulk, Thor, Sentry, Luke Cage, Cap, Wolverine, Colossus, Hercules, She-Hulk, Captain Marvel, etc. Where does Spidey land on the continuum of super strength?
I know it isn't canon but in the Marvel Super Heroic Role Playing Game, Spiderman is listed as having d10 Super Human Strength, which is one notch below Thing, Hulk, Thor, Hercules, all of whom had d12 God-Like Strength. Luke Cage, Ironman, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Woman and Arachne had a d10 Strength (same as Spidey), while Cap and Tigra had d8.
He got retconned back to 10 tons? Did not know that. I found this on a “Yahoo Answers” page - I’m not scientist like Pete is, but if this is true does that negate the reason for Spidey’s super-strength?:
“The reason that small animals can lift a greater amount relative to their own weight has nothing to do with the animals being strong. The muscles of an ant or spider are the same strength (per amount of muscle) as a human's.
The reason these animals seem to be very strong for their size is due to simple scaling laws. Let's say we have a 6-foot tall, 200-pound human that can lift their own weight in some certain exercise routine. So, we can define their strength as the amount of weight they can lift, divided by their own weight. In this case, it's 200/200 = 1. So, they have a strength coefficient of 1.
If you scaled down that human to 1/100 of their height, and adjusted their length and width in the same way (to preserve their shape), you would have a human that was 0.06 feet tall.
Now, the human's weight goes as the CUBE of their height, so they would weigh (1/100)^3 times as much as they did before. If they weighed 200 pounds before, they would now weigh 0.0002 pounds.
However, their muscle strength goes as the cross-sectional area of their muscle, and area goes as the SQUARE of their height. So, they can now lift (1/100)^2 times as much weight as they could before. If they could lift 200 pounds before, they would be able to lift 0.02 pounds now.
Let's calculate their strength-per-weight coefficient:
(0.02 pounds) / (0.0002 pounds) = 100
They are now able to lift 100 times their own weight! The only reason for this is that strength goes as the square of linear size, while weight goes as the cube of linear size.
This works in reverse, too: If you made a human 10 times taller (a 60-foot human) and kept their proportions the same, they'd be 100 times as strong, but also 1000 times as heavy! They would collapse under their own weight and be unable to do anything useful.”
His original power-set felt more authentic. He was superior to street-levelers, but struggled at lifting cars and such.
Spider-man was capable of lifting cars with ease as early as Amazing Spider-man #32, so I don't know where you're getting this from.
Well, you're right but he was on the rampage, looking for Aunt May's cure so he was capable of doing incredible things. Like, taking down Doc Ock with ease. His greatest triumph was lifting that large hammer in issue #33. That left his body decimated and he barely lifted it, only thinking of Aunt May pushed him through it.
That superman scan he had red solar energy on his costume (which apparently is a thing that can be done) he tried the same thing later when it wore off and he broke his hands, was pretty funny
@amazingspiderman15: he also flipped a train car over by flicking his index finger...and supported the weight of a plane while it landed. The list goes on. I enjoy seeing his fit of adrenaline rushes.
Peter can be as strong as he wants only depending what he feels or if he is given to his own reluctance to hold himself back emotional and being naturally passive. Once he lets his emotions run wild, he's suddenly smacking up Thor or She Hulk for some reason, it must tie to his emotional state like the hulk, the more he gets driven by a impulse the better his abilities perform properly including his speed and strength.
From Marvel's database:
Spider-Man - can lift 20 tons (Original and now current strength level due to reality being altered during the events of "One More Day")
When Peter Parker was bitten by an irradiated spider, radioactive mutagenicenzymes in the spider's venom quickly caused numerous body-wide changes. Immediately after the bite, he was granted his original powers: primarily superhuman strength, reflexes, and balance; the ability to cling tenaciously to most surfaces; and a subconscious precognitive sense of danger, which he called a "spider-sense".
Several biologists on the History Channel's Spider-Man Tech special stated the effect of a radioactive spider bite (if any) would not be nearly enough to cause a mutation in a human body. However, they said the use of "genetically engineered" spiders from the live-action movie and the Ultimate continuity was more plausible. Instead of radioactive venom, the bite would have to carry a powerful retro virus (similar to HIV) that would spread through the body by taking over neighboring cells and actually becoming ingrained in the person's DNA. They illustrated this by showing the results of an experiment where glow genes from deep sea Jelly fish were introduced into the embryos of lab mice. The resulting mice were born with the glow gene as a part of their own DNA and glowed light green whenever an ultraviolet light was shone on them.
Spider-Man's overall metabolic efficiency has been greatly increased, and the composition of his skeleton, connective tissues, muscles, and nervous system have all been enhanced.
Spider-Man is capable of healing injuries faster and more extensively than ordinary humans, including injuries as severe as broken bones within a matter of hours.
Spider-Man's agility and reflexes are far superior to those of an ordinary human, even those that represent the peak of human conditioning such as Captain America. The speed of his reflexes combined with his spider-sense allows him to dodge almost any attack, even gunfire at point blank Due to the events of "The Other", his reflexes are increased further, responding directly to his spider-sense and instinct that can result in him lashing out at negligible threats. Again, however, due to the alteration of reality during the "One More Day" story arc, his reflexes and agility reverted to their original levels.
spider-man strength makes him look like he can lift 30-40 tons. so i think in my opinion spider-man should be a 40 toner or a 50 toner and his maximum is 100+ tones. but he has done a few crazy thousands of tones before. he has lifted objects above 100 tones.. he lifted them and they weighted about 1000's of tons.
His stated to a 10 toner, but personally think his stronger than that. Like a 15-20 at least, but it seems like when his piss or really pushing himself his stronger than that. Spider-Man is pretty damn strong, if he can go toe to with the Hulk and hurt him. Than he has to be pretty strong.
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