Aw out of steam already? Please go read some Spiderman comics, and some Batman comics, and some comics in general, hell go read a wiki and that'll improve your knowledge 10x

You're kind of boring me now troll, shape up or leave.

Anyway ignoring Kratmotz, Spiderman does have the potential but that's all it is, potential. As of right now he doesn't have the feats to be in the same league top guys in Marvel or in DC and probably never will, given Marvel they'll probably keep him at the same level since that's apparently what Spiderman's fanbase likes.

@segamarvel said:

Time Machine. Issue written by Stan Lee himself. Nuff said.

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Spidey Sundays aren't canon.

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Badass but not really an intelligence feat, he just performed a desperation move when nothing else was working and in a 1 and a million shot in paid off. He even admitted that he's not in there league and that it was a stupid idea but one that worked.

4 a nerd, he's too smart lmao

@14nc3 said:

Peter is an absolute genius. He is for sure one of the smartest on Marvel Earth, maybe not in the top 5 but he's up there. He is a great forward thinker, has plenty of knowledge on machinery and engineering, he's great at prep and of course is a super-genius when it comes to science.

1. Makes an electromagnetic pulse in matter of seconds, in middle of fight, using nothing but couple of circuits from someone’s weapon systems.
2. Creates a serum for a flesh-eating disease in a matter of minutes.

3. Figures out a way to beat Morlun by studying his DNA. He irradiates himself and then, as he isn’t “pure” anymore, he can hurt Morlun with his blows and beat him down. Nice durability feat too, seeing as he takes all that radiation and stays alive. Shows Spidey’s knowledge concerning radiation too.

4. Hank Pym states he is smarter then himself
5. Equaled the intelligence scored reed richards posted when he was his age
6. Creates a serum to fuse doc ocks tentacle arms
7. creates an override code to overide iron mans safeguards. Shows impressive forward thinking and machinery knowledge
8. creates royal water to dissolve gold in minutes

Go to this website for the scans: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/KingAvengerMarvel/news/?a=48785

And those scans aren't even from the present. He has also:

1. Created many, many battle armours showing his ability at prep. Suits include anti-sinister six, anti-massacre, electro-proof armour, insulated armour, a stealth suit and probably more...
2. Created many gadgets while he was at the beggining of his career - so during his teenage years: spider-tracer, web-shooters, a web formula as tough as steel and a spider-signal.
3. Currently he has made acidic webbing, magnetic webbing, Spider-Glider, Thermodynamic Foam, Cryo Pellets, voice activated web-shooters. Probably even more gadgets...
4. He is currently a super-scientist at horizon labs
5. Makes many, many witty jokes showing that he's a fast thinker
6. In big time issue 1 he figures out how to stop a massive nuke before even iron man and reed richards. This is just one example...

I'm going to go as far to say that with all of the gadgets and armours/suits he's made he's like batman but with spider-powers, yeah that's right I said it batman fanboys

This. And it will probably be ignore because haters will not aprove of anything and just move on to continue hating

I really don't know why you people would say he's not intelligent enough.

Peter never had cools gadgets and shit because he was always POOR AS FUCK , now he has been working in horizon for a while and recently he has parker industries.

He's done a lot of shit in that REALLY SHORT amount of time , what does that say about him? that all he needs is a little money to make shit that iron man does , oh and btw he has done great things with pocket change of a 15 year old and the few coins he gained through his jobs all over the years before making it as a scientist.

So you can hate all you want , peter is still one of the top geniuses in marvel like it or not.

I'd put Peter under Reed, Doom and Pym, but above Stark, T'Challa, and Cho.

I question his smarts and sanity to keep holding himself back because guilt angst lol.

Maybe it's too much but I think that if Peter focused on his intellect (um, and had more resources, but those could come from his intelligence, eventually) right from the start, he would be around Stark's level.
He has some crazy feats even without resources or much experience.
They should have an alternate reality where they let him use his potential completely.

@lastoblivion: Marvel did it during OMD, Mephisto showed Pete a version of him that never become spiderman fully embracing his intellect.

The Amazing One is a genius, but he is not a super genius like Reed, Tony Stark, Black Panther and Doom Etc

Tony Stark is certainly not a genius lol. Spidey is FAR smarter. I'd say Spidey is slightly smarter than Panther as well.

Come on dude, Spidey has fixed the FREAKING cosmic cube in an abandoned lab.

You certainly don't know how wrong you are. Tony is one of the smartest minds in Marvel universe. There is a reason why leaders and other hero's come to him (and other super genius) to solve complex problems. Reed, Panther and Tony constantly bounce ideas of one another.

I'm probably the biggest Spider-Man fan on this site. And feel very confident in saying that he is not at the level of Reed, Panther and Stark. Don't get me wrong, Peter is a genius...that the reason why Ironman and Reed took him under their wing as their protege because they saw his potential.

In marvel their are 10 super genius in theworld. Reed being number 1 and Cho number 10. Spiderman isn't anywhere in between

Obviously, you need to read more Spidey comics. Doc Ock is in the top 10 and he even said he was smarter than the Intelligencia, and Peter is much smarter. And when Tony can build a suit that warps light and sound, or when he can fix the Cosmic Cube instead of fixing his low-tech armor, then he can be smarter than Peter.

And Cho is all hype. He hasn't done crap that Tony Stark couldn't do, let alone Peter Parker.

I've been reading Spiderman for over 30 years. Doc Ock think very highly of himself...he thinks he is on par with Reed Richard

The IntelligencIa abducted the smartest minds in the world...Reed Richard, Dr. Doom, Hank Pym, Black Panther, Bruce Banner, and Beast. They didnt take Stark because he was brain dead...once again, Spiderman was not among them. They had no interest in him and he was in the story ARC. Fact of the matter is. Peter is not in the Top 10. Sorry :(

peter is not top 10 in pure smarts but he is one of the top five in battle smarts.

Doctor Octopus is a specialist, he may be better than Reed in one field, Reed is vastly superior to Ock in dozens of others.

That said, Spiderman was not in the top 8 Marvel Earth smartest list because he simply lacks the feats to do so. There are many characters that trump Spiderman's intellect. The only one's who can't accept this are Spider fanboys.

Also Spiderman fixing a cosmic cube is utter crap, he spent weeks in a lab trying to fix it, couldn't get it to turn on, started yelling at the thing and it turned on by itself.

Smart enough to carry the Fantastic Four team while the Fantastic Four was missing for a while.

@zestozen I can't argue with you anymore. Obviously you are just a Spider-Man hater. I don't know why you refuse to accept Spider-Man's intellect, but you seem intent to make Spider-Man look like nothing more than an average person.

His Ends of the Earth suit has broken carbonadium, an element almost as strong as and more flexible than adamantium. His Big Time (and Ends of the Earth) suit was able to warp light and sound, making it completely undetectable to all except for people such as Wolverine who can track by smell. He has invented cryo pellets. He is certainly smarter than Iron Man from the Ultimate Universe (though how Tony on Earth-1610 compares to Tony on Earth-616 I don't know, so I will not make any conclusions comparing Peter to Tony) as shown in the Spider-Men mini series. He discovered Parker particles (yes, Reed discovered them first, but considering he didn't share the knowledge with anyone, its as good as discovering them himself) which are tied to the very energy of the universe. Later, he used unknown alien technology, after deciphering their workings extremely quickly, and depowered Alpha, one of the strongest beings in the Marvel Universe at the time. He has also mentioned that he knows how to kill the Hulk, if it were required. He has cured a flesh eating disease within minutes.

If this doesn't knock some sense into you, nothing will.

Easy, Man :-) Zestozen is not saying Peter has average intellect. No one here is saying has average intellect. We all know Peter is incredibly smart with genius level intelligence...that is without question. He's just not at the level you want him to be

Well, considering the level I want him to be is top 5 in the Marvel Universe, those feats are MORE than enough to get him there. Amadeus Cho is number 8 and his feats are nothing outside of seeing math floating in the air. Big whoop.

@blackspidey2099: But not according to Marvel and the writers

In the comics, there has never been an actual list of the smartest people. It is all conjecture by the fans. Even the Fall of the Hulks storyline was not a true list - even Tony Stark wasn't kidnapped - does that mean he is not in the top 8?

And plus, Marvel has been trying to screw Spidey over ever since they started with their cinematic universe. They have failed since he is more popular than all their other characters combined. LOL Marvel - you suck shit. Sometimes I feel Spidey should go to DC - at least there he would get the love he deserves - do you see how OP they make Superman and Batman, just because those are the two most popular they have?

I've already explained to you why Tony was not abducted. Go back and read my post #164.

you really need to calm down:) lol It's not that serious. So Spidey is not among the world's smartest...big whoop. He is still a genius. Look at it like this...he is a jack if many trades, but Master of none. Which means he knows just enough of each scientific fields to impress people Stark, Reed and Hank. That is still awesome in my book

Spider-Man has outsmarted people which you claim to be smarter than him many times (except for Reed). Even in this thread, only you and @zestozen have been continuously underestimating Peter. If we go just by his feats, he is certainly in the top 8. If we go by "what the writer said", he isn't. Well, half of the writers are dumb idiots anyways. If we believed all they said, Spider-Man would be the fourth strongest in the Marvel Universe (after Thor, Hulk and Thing, according to Stan Lee himself), greater than herald level, yet still be weaker than Punisher. Like I said, half the writers are dumb idiots who make no effort to keep continuity straight in things like this. Obviously, the writer of the "Fall of the Hulks" storyline was one of those ignorant fools.

Anyway, even in Iron Man's own book Peter has been shown as smarter than Tony. Doc Ock completely outwitted and outmaneuvered Tony multiple times, and even Ock has admitted Peter was smarter. In Invincible Iron Man 500, Tony had to rely on Peter's genius multiple times to help him, as well as in another story which I forgot, but which included a team up between them. Not to mention Spider-Man was far smarter than Tony Stark in the Ultimate Universe - and I doubt 616 is much smarter than his Ultimate counterpart.

And if he wasn't one of the smartest, I wouldn't particularly care. But he has been consistently portrayed as one of them, which is why I feel the need to educate you on that point. I would say he might occupy the spot above Tony, but certainly under Reed, Doom, Hank and Banner.

Dude...no one here is underestimating Spidey. Tell me where i've underestimate him. I've repeatly said he is a genius MULTIPLE times...if anything you are overestimating him and trying to put him at the level where he clearly is not. You are not Marvel....you are not Stan Lee...you are not a writer. You are fan who seems to not want to accept the obvious .

You can't tell many anything about Spidey that I don't already know. I know just about every feats consistenting of strength , speed, durablilty, intelligence, etc...Like I said before, I've been a fan of his for over 30 years.

And outwitting/outmaneuvering someone doesn't means you are smarter, because if that was the case Punisher would be among the greats...Just ask Spiderman:)

If you want I can post you scans of a couple if Marvel handbooks that said people like Beast, Stark, Reed, Tchalla, and Hank Pym has intelligence levels of 5/6 (genius to super genius) While Peter is at 4 (gift intelligence), but something tells me that would just upset you more.

Probably top 30

His Ends of the Earth suit has broken carbonadium, an element almost as strong as and more flexible than adamantium. His Big Time (and Ends of the Earth) suit was able to warp light and sound, making it completely undetectable to all except for people such as Wolverine who can track by smell. He has invented cryo pellets. He is certainly smarter than Iron Man from the Ultimate Universe (though how Tony on Earth-1610 compares to Tony on Earth-616 I don't know, so I will not make any conclusions comparing Peter to Tony) as shown in the Spider-Men mini series. He discovered Parker particles (yes, Reed discovered them first, but considering he didn't share the knowledge with anyone, its as good as discovering them himself) which are tied to the very energy of the universe. Later, he used unknown alien technology, after deciphering their workings extremely quickly, and depowered Alpha, one of the strongest beings in the Marvel Universe at the time. He has also mentioned that he knows how to kill the Hulk, if it were required. He has cured a flesh eating disease within minutes.

For someone who you believe to in Marvel's top 8, that's the saddest list of feats I've ever seen.

Plus I'm willing to bet half of those feats are out of context too, lets not forget that you're the same guy who claimed Spiderman fixed a cosmic cube when in fact Spiderman couldn't even get the thing to turn on and it turned on by itself. You have no credibility here unfortunately.

He did fix the Cosmic Cube. There is no explanation for it turning on by itself, so the logical conclusion is that Peter did something that eventually caused it to turn on. Maybe if you had a brain of sorts.

So if you think those feats aren't good enough for a top 8 spot, lets see feats from Cho, or someone else who you think is smarter and check how they compare. I doubt it would turn out favorably for you.

Heres a question what is Spiderman number one at at anything on a top 10 list with other heroes?

BAM! ! ! That's the million dollar questions. What scientific field (or fields) is he an expert on? Is he world famous for a particular field in science? Has anyone say "There is only one person who is an expert in this field of science...we need Spiderman"

Like I said before, Spiderman is a Jack of many trades, but master of none. He knows just enough to impress marvels earth's greatest minds. That is why people like Reed and Tony took him under their wing as their protege because they saw his potential

GREAT POST!!!

@blackspidey2099: Non-bias here, that is not the logical conclusion. Even if he did do something to fix it, it was clearly more of an accident/coincidence, seeing as he clearly didn't really understand it.

This is an old thread, and so everything the Spidey-doubters were saying is outdated and short-sighted.

In the post-Secret Wars run of The Amazing Spider-Man it pretty much proves that Peter Parker is every bit the genius Tony Stark is. Whether it be the gadgets and inventions (he whipped up functional, compact energy-wings for Mockingbird! A flying multi-form car! A new costume that has every gadget imaginable built in! Voice-activated, multi-function web shooters! A shape-changing gadget-loaded costume!), his ability to learn quickly (He learned Mandarin, stunt-driving, and new fields of science in a matter of weeks), or his commercial inventions (he's competing at Apple/Sony/Samsung levels in that regard, and he invents almost everything his company sells).

At this point, he's inventing with more originality and diversity than Tony Stark ever did.

It varies. People forget that people excel in certain fields. He is admittedly no good at nano technology so he had to scrap all of otto's plans involving it when he got his body back. Just like a biologist is different then an engineer. Some people on here just think smart is smart and that's all.

He's as smart as he needs to be for the story... he fixed a broken cosmic cube with old tools but couldn't figure out nano tech

About almost genius but that depends anyways.

And he doesn't focus on his mind like other smart guys do in comics

@iamnot: More like above super genius level intellect...

@nixnightbird: This is what I've been saying for years! I completely agree.

@blackspidey2099: lol that would be on batmans level which he is clearly below to

Someone said his iq is 145; that's almost genius. Just sayin'...

Dude, Spidey's IQ is over 250. (A lot of places say 270, but I can't find the scan). IIRC Batman's is only around 190....

@blackspidey2099: anything >250 is utter nonsense and can be forgotten anyways. Thats bad writing lol

No doubts he is a genius but IQ would not be the absolute reference in terms of one's intelligence (Still I am waiting for more scans about other character's IQs). There are a various range of feats that are proving his capacities as stated @nixnightbird, and they are much more significant.

@iamnot: Seems to me you just don't want to accept Spidey's inconceivable intellect....

I'm currently reading Stan Lee/Steve Ditko's Amazing Spider-Man run, and it seems like Peter solves almost every problem with his brain and some gadget, rather than with his spider powers.

@iamnot: While Spider-Man is not quite on the level of Batman, he is a genius. The comic in which his iq was stated to be 145 was in the Ultimate comics, who clearly wasn't as intelligent as his mainstream counterpart.

@spideyryan: yup and 150 is already a genius.. so he should be at 170 at max when you compare him to ppl like batman

(Not meant to sound arrogant)

Doesn't mean he is less smart ^^

Spider-man is a genius

@iamnot: Spidey >>> Batman. When Batman discovers an energy source that is more powerful than the Phoenix Force (or DC's equivalent), then we can debate.

Peter's a wild card when it comes to intelligence. This Is The guy who equalled the IQ scores Reed Richards got at the same age, and in alternate universes in which he doesn't become Spider-Man goes on to become one of the top scientific minds on the planet. The thing Is, in the main continuity his superhero career withheld him from focusing on his studies and truly fulfilling his Intellectual potential, although in the ANAD universe this is no longer the case. As to how smart he is currently as as compared to the main super geniuses of Marvel (Reed, Tony, Doom, Banner, Pym etc) it's too early into the new status quo to tell; although he has definitely closed whatever gap existed between them

As It is, the best description of his Intelligence is that he Is a genius with a doctorate in biochemistry and expertise in in multiple scientific fields. That's just my 2 cents on on the matter

I completely agree with you.

@blackspidey2099: I don't mean any offense but you have got to stop fan girling over the Parker particles crap. An energy source Peter pulls out of his butt that's stronger than every big bad the marvel comic universe has is so stupid there are no words. All you proved with that last comment was that Peter was finally wanked harder than batman. That should give you some perspective on how ludicrous the particles are.

Whether stupid or not, it is an intelligence feat that shows Peter's inconceivable intellect. The fact that Peter just pulled it out of his butt shows how easy it was for him to do it, and enhances the feat even more.

@blackspidey2099: no it demeans the feat to the area of pointlessness. This was bad writing from a moron of a writer. If these things existed in the marvel universe then their world would be changed forever but it hasn't in anyway that's related to the particles. There's been no lasting repercussions from that story and most will forget it ever happened. This type of wanking happens to all characters and is always dismissed. The sooner we forget this ridiculousness the better.