Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider as a teenager, granting him spider-like powers. After the death of his Uncle Ben, Peter learned that "with great power, comes great responsibility." Swearing to always protect the innocent from harm, Peter Parker became Spider-Man.
Peter is one of the Smartest people in the Marvel universe but it as not shown as much because he is poor as shit majority of the time lacking the resources to show his intelligence. Reed Richards said himself he was a smart as him when he was his age and could be smarter when Peter becomes Reeds age. Also I do think Spider-man is smarter than batman just for the fact that if Batman never had all the money he always did he'd be no smarter than daredevil or Punisher. Where as Spider-man would be possibly beyond Reed Richards level.
Peter is one of the Smartest people in the Marvel universe but it as not shown as much because he is poor as sh!t majority of the time lacking the resources to show his intelligence. Reed Richards said himself he was a smart as him when he was his age and could be smarter when Peter becomes Reeds age. Also I do think Spider-man is smarter than batman just for the fact that if Batman never had all the money he always did he'd be no smarter than daredevil or Punisher. Where as Spider-man would be possibly beyond Reed Richards level.
Peter is one of the Smartest people in the Marvel universe but it as not shown as much because he is poor as shit majority of the time lacking the resources to show his intelligence. Reed Richards said himself he was a smart as him when he was his age and could be smarter when Peter becomes Reeds age. Also I do think Spider-man is smarter than batman just for the fact that if Batman never had all the money he always did he'd be no smarter than daredevil or Punisher. Where as Spider-man would be possibly beyond Reed Richards level.
Huh?
Batman is much smarter than Daredevil or Punisher because he just naturally is. If money is everything why is Peter much smarter than a billionaire like Oliver Queen? Having a lot of money doesn't raise your intelligence. Batman would be at the same level of intellect whether he was rich or not.
@jack_donaghy Well having more money, can give you a better, higher form of education. You are right though, some people are born more naturally brighter, a dumber person can be on the same level, they just have to work much harder.
Obviously smart enough to go on earth based adventures alone like Iron Man with his scientific prowess(Spidey suits, Different prep webs, etc), but nope Marvel will never allow Spidey to grow into a credible superhero versatile wise and keep him in New York being hated and totally under appriated.
Don't care how smart he's supposed to be, he's written like an idiot. It took him 50 years to learn how to capitalize on his intellect and not struggle to pay rent.
Spider-Man is torture porn for the sake of relating. Also, he's dated major babes like Gwen Stacy, Mary Jane and Black Cat... I can relate.
@jack_donaghy: True but Oliver didn't decide to go the same route batman did. What woul batman being doing if he wasn't rich? He' probably be driving a bike and wouldn't be making any robotic suits or any vaccines to show his intelligence because not rich. I doubt batman was even top of his class like Parker was. Spider-man and batman are naturally smart but do to spidey's non existing wealth he only has the special occasions to show it where as batman has his whole inherited fortune. Like not to be a batman hater but I'd like to see him build a suit out of practically nothing like ironman did. If batman was in the Marvel universe he wouldn't be portrayed as intelligent as he is in DC and if Spidey was in DC he'd probably be in the top 5 smartest people.
@jack_donaghy: True but Oliver didn't decide to go the same route batman did. What woul batman being doing if he wasn't rich? He' probably be driving a bike and wouldn't be making any robotic suits or any vaccines to show his intelligence because not rich. I doubt batman was even top of his class like Parker was. Spider-man and batman are naturally smart but do to spidey's non existing wealth he only has the special occasions to show it where as batman has his whole inherited fortune. Like not to be a batman hater but I'd like to see him build a suit out of practically nothing like ironman did. If batman was in the Marvel universe he wouldn't be portrayed as intelligent as he is in DC and if Spidey was in DC he'd probably be in the top 5 smartest people.
Different route? They're both human vigilantes who use tech to fight crime there's no big difference. The reason Bruce has better tech than Oliver is because he's smarter. You can't expect someone to become a genius just because they have money. I'm no tech genius so if someone gave me a billions of dollars I definitely wouldn't be able to make insider suits or Brother Eye or be able to hack alien tech. And you don't know what Batman would do if he wasn't rich there are heroes without powers who aren't rich he could be one of them. Why are you bringing Iron Man up? No one has said Batman is smarter than him so I don't know why you mentioned wanting to see Batman build a suit out of nothing.
The, original, legitimately powered Spider-Man was very intelligent but not on the level of Marvel's top geniuses. Still, Parker is very well-versed in mechanical engineering, creating his Web-Shooters at age 17. His gear would progress further more, as he became more adept as a hero. Peter is also a talented chemist, often using his gifts in the scientific field to rectify the battles he previously lost. Alas, Peter's intelligence has been inflated to that of Reed Richards in recent years.
I brought ironman up just to prove that batman isn't as smart as people claim. The guy gets most of his stuff built for him. Also what would batman be without his batcomputer or his bat tracers. Spider-man actually made his tracers himself with what little resources he had. Can batman do that without his billions. Marvel heroes for the most part are smarter IQ wise because there comics are smarter and more realistic. For instance they don't have Spider-man beating Thanos or Thor bench pressing the earth for 5 days or Quicksilver running through time. I will allow Lex because he is smart IQ wise.
I brought ironman up just to prove that batman isn't as smart as people claim. The guy gets most of his stuff built for him. Also what would batman be without his batcomputer or his bat tracers. Spider-man actually made his tracers himself with what little resources he had. Can batman do that without his billions. Marvel heroes for the most part are smarter IQ wise because there comics are smarter and more realistic. For instance they don't have Spider-man beating Thanos or Thor bench pressing the earth for 5 days or Quicksilver running through time. I will allow Lex because he is smart IQ wise.
If anything Batman's intelligence is underrated on this site tbh I always see threads talking about how overrated his intellect is. And again I repeat if money is as helpful as you claim why isn't Oliver Queen creating things on Bruce's level? The last part is just a useless cliched attack against DC: LOLZ MARVELZ MOORE REALIZTIK Who cares? Reed and Doom's unrealistic intelligence is no more realistic than Flash's speed or Superman's strength. You sort of contradicted yourself, Marvel is more realistic but their characters are ridiculously smart? Makes sense... not in our universe but one of them out their I'm sure. And you forget characters are as smart as writers say they are there really is no set in stone this person is smarter than that person.
Think about it Doom has said Reed is smarter than him yet Doom was able to cure The Thing when Reed couldn't and other things the smarter Reed hasn't or couldn't do. Lex Luthor has cured Cancer, Reed hasn't despite being smarter than Lex. Reed also has gone to others who are better in certain area's than him. Does that mean Reed's overrated? Just because Iron Man is better with tech than Batman doesn't necessarily mean he's smarter in every area. Stark can probably build a better suit than Doom and Reed does that mean he's smarter? Human characters outsmart Gods, people get intelligence upgrades. So your "X has done this and Batman hasn't so means he's not as smart" logic doesn't work. Oh and please show me scans of Batman in a cave life or death situation where he has no choice to build armor out of nothing like Tony did, oh wait what's that? He never had a reason to do that? Yeah that would probably explain why he never has. Other examples that prove there's no set intelligence order: Doom has also said the Leader is smarter than him but Doom has much better science and prep feats despite this. If a writer wanted to Batman could build a time machine with random stuff he found in a dumpster than he would. I don't see why people care about who's smarter than who.
He was part of the lucky 8 and even beat Doc Ock in a battle of mind power for control of his robots. Some time in the 2000's Peter was retconed to be a genius at the same level as Marvel's 8 smartest men alive.
Not sure why anyone listens to Kanen, dude's practically an idiot and a bad troll.
Spiderman is intelligent but despite the wank he's no where near the 8 Smartest that were listed in Fall of the Hulks.
Reed said that Spiderman was as smart as he was when he was that age, same with Pym, does not mean Peter will be as smart as either of them when he grows older.
He's made no significant contributions to Marvel's scientific community.
The mear thought of him inventing a teleportation suit stands out in my head. That would be so awesome and I believe he can do it. Otto has already been admitted a certifiable Genius by Tony and Peter's smarter then he is.
@kanen: Batman had a suit that disguised him from Superman's sight and hearing in either the first or second volume of Morrison's JLA run.
People tend to forget that comics have to confirm to media. If Nolan Bats does not build his own stuff, Batman in comics does not build his own stuff. from 2004-2012 almost everything Bruce used was done by Lucius or someone else. Now he is making his own gear again (stealth suits and secret crystals). I gan go into Zero year feats like making a set of shock gloves similar to the shocker in under an hour (which is a better feat of engineering than building web shooters at 15).
And wtf is this sauce about building web shooters making Peter a genius? Batman has dealt with college prep brats like Anarky who built his own boom tube to Apokolips, Nightwing had to deal with a kid who built a fusion powered plasma weapon that acted like a tron disc crossed with a light saber.
Or Batgirl beating on an ex cop who built a flight harness in her garage. People in DC can build open source versions of Mr. Freeze's cold laser to chill out opponents.
Peter Parker has good feats for a genius in Marvel. He does not have the feats to compete with the geniuses in DC. Tim Drake has had better feats by the time he was 15. Current Tim makes Peter look slow.
And I consider Spiderman to be the best superhero in the medium. Hands down.
I put Spiderman a little under Tim Drake by young feats. I put him close to John Irons(Steel) in New 52. And whatever people say, Bruce Wayne is a little above Irons in overall intellect.
In reality, people have their respected field that they progress in, people forget this, and just rank characters/people by how smart they are. Hank created a device to communicate with insects, shrink and grow and what not, but can he preform open heart surgery? ( maybe he can) Peter admitted Ock's specs confused him because it wasn't a field he was familiar in, so he did a 180 and decided to start inventing things he was familiar with.
@kanen: Batman had a suit that disguised him from Superman's sight and hearing in either the first or second volume of Morrison's JLA run.
People tend to forget that comics have to confirm to media. If Nolan Bats does not build his own stuff, Batman in comics does not build his own stuff. from 2004-2012 almost everything Bruce used was done by Lucius or someone else. Now he is making his own gear again (stealth suits and secret crystals). I gan go into Zero year feats like making a set of shock gloves similar to the shocker in under an hour (which is a better feat of engineering than building web shooters at 15).
And wtf is this sauce about building web shooters making Peter a genius? Batman has dealt with college prep brats like Anarky who built his own boom tube to Apokolips, Nightwing had to deal with a kid who built a fusion powered plasma weapon that acted like a tron disc crossed with a light saber.
Or Batgirl beating on an ex cop who built a flight harness in her garage. People in DC can build open source versions of Mr. Freeze's cold laser to chill out opponents.
Peter Parker has good feats for a genius in Marvel. He does not have the feats to compete with the geniuses in DC. Tim Drake has had better feats by the time he was 15. Current Tim makes Peter look slow.
And I consider Spiderman to be the best superhero in the medium. Hands down.
I put Spiderman a little under Tim Drake by young feats. I put him close to John Irons(Steel) in New 52. And whatever people say, Bruce Wayne is a little above Irons in overall intellect.
Actually Marvel characters tend to be smarter than DC's. I like DC a little more but it's true, no one in DC can match Reed or Doom.
@jack_donaghy: I do not argue that at all. By feats Lex Luthor is really close to Tony Stark. I just get upset when people point at the web so others as if that proves that Spiderman is above Batman and Black Panther, when DC has kids building teleporters and light sabers and all kinds of outrageous stuff in their teenage years. Peter is still smarter than most, but not for the tracers(radio signal to a spider sense that his first villain was able to figure out about) or the web cartridges.
Anyone who doesn't know by now that Pete could make the great top 8 in human intelligence list if he were ever given the resources other super-geniuses in the MU have should log out and never sign back in.
I think it's safe to say one thing: Pete's intelligence is superior to Tony, Bruce and Reed's intelligence when they were the same age; ie he has more intellectual potential than them all.
The mear thought of him inventing a teleportation suit stands out in my head. That would be so awesome and I believe he can do it. Otto has already been admitted a certifiable Genius by Tony and Peter's smarter then he is.
Can't argue with the evidence in those event arcs. He is dangerous when he seriously thinks.
@superguy1591: Absolutely. He is as smart as the writer wants him to be.
I agree with what he said as well. The man can fix a broken cosmic cube in a run down lab, but can't keep a job, or is confused by ottos nano tech because it's not his level of expertise, even those his level of expertise changes constantly all the time
I think that their minds are too different to compare, while both problem solvers, Batman is ridiculously smart in the sense that he is a detective and knows how to solve things based on how people react, where as Peter is all science and math. Not saying that they don't have some middle ground where their intellects overlay, but to me its comparing apples & oranges, like saying who's smarter, Sigmund Freud (Psychologist) or Albert Einstein (Physicist) its like apples and oranges.
Why do people try to claim that Spidey and Bats are on the same intellectual track? That's just wrong.
Spidey = a genius prodigy held back by his own immaturity and lack of money and vast resources; i.e., a restricted genius.
Bats = a normal guy with an above average intellect who has used his vast resources, wealth, and experience to increase his overall knowledge, making him a polymath; i.e., a smart guy who studied a lot and became smarter (not a genius, like Spidey).
The two simply aren't in the same league. One is simply a normal guy who is very knowledgeable (more so than the latter), while the other is a restricted genius with high brain power.
In a nutshell: Pete has more potential than Bruce [Wayne], by far.
He's super smart...until he's written like a moron who has to struggle with normal problems. Then I question his intellect.
Well, while there's truth into your statement, there's really some people who are intellectual genius in physics or math, or even human science, but who are socially damaged and aren't being to maintain a social life.
In fiction, a good example would be Sheldon Cooper.
IRL, there's people ike Berhard Riemann, Henry Cavendish who were painfully shy. Another, Paul Dirac, has accepted the Nobel Prize just because if wouldn't, it would get more attention on him than if he accepted.
Beside of that, Peter Parker spend his times between working and patrolling the street of New York, so he hasn't much time to develop something that could get him money.
If Parker was real, I would say that the guy had a serious past trauma that damaged his personnality... wait ? Uncle Ben is dead ? He's wearing a ridiculous costume and risk his life each night ?
Sound like a self destructive deathwish born out of culpability to me.
@xaos: nope, Peter Parker is supposed to be a natural born genius and geniuses excel at problem solving. Peter Parker's just written dumb to make him a sympathetic character.
@kramotz: But he's a genius that invented his web shooters and his webbing in high school, are you really going to tell me that he struggles to pay rent and can't just invent something, anything, that would get him and his aunt out of poverty?
He also shouldn't struggle with school because most highly intelligent people, not even geniuses, find school tedious and barely pay attention since they can grasp concepts much faster than normal intelligence people.
Anyone who doesn't know by now that Pete could make the great top 8 in human intelligence list if he were ever given the resources other super-geniuses in the MU have should log out and never sign back in.
Funny thing is Amadeus Cho isn't known for having a bajillion dollars and guess what? He made the list just fine
No, Spiderman didn't make the list because he's not smart enough, end of story
I think it's safe to say one thing: Pete's intelligence is superior to Tony, Bruce and Reed's intelligence when they were the same age; ie he has more intellectual potential than them all.
Reed at one point said that Spiderman was as smart as he was when he was a kid. Problem is the progression track isn't the same. Even if Spiderman was as smart as Reed at that age, it doesn't guarantee that he'll be as smart as Reed when he's Reed's age.
Why do people try to claim that Spidey and Bats are on the same intellectual track? That's just wrong.
Spidey = a genius prodigy held back by his own immaturity and lack of money and vast resources; i.e., a restricted genius.
Bats = a normal guy with an above average intellect who has used his vast resources, wealth, and experience to increase his overall knowledge, making him a polymath; i.e., a smart guy who studied a lot and became smarter (not a genius, like Spidey).
The two simply aren't in the same league. One is simply a normal guy who is very knowledgeable (more so than the latter), while the other is a restricted genius with high brain power.
In a nutshell: Pete has more potential than Bruce [Wayne], by far.
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Seriously I'm curious how you lack even the most basic knowledge of the character when DC has classified him as a genius for almost the characters entire existence. He also has eidetic memory/total recall which Spiderman lacks. No amount of money can buy you that. Even you have money you can't go around mastering various sciences without having the intellect to grasp them in the first place.
Also if Spiderman is so smart why didn't he use his genius intellect to get him and his aunt out of the rat hole they lived in for so many years? Oh yeah, it's an excuse people make for Spiderman's lack of feats.
Spiderman may potentially be in the same league as Bruce and other geniuses but he isn't now and given Marvel they'll probably never elevate him to that status.
Why do people try to claim that Spidey and Bats are on the same intellectual track? That's just wrong.
Spidey = a genius prodigy held back by his own immaturity and lack of money and vast resources; i.e., a restricted genius.
Bats = a normal guy with an above average intellect who has used his vast resources, wealth, and experience to increase his overall knowledge, making him a polymath; i.e., a smart guy who studied a lot and became smarter (not a genius, like Spidey).
The two simply aren't in the same league. One is simply a normal guy who is very knowledgeable (more so than the latter), while the other is a restricted genius with high brain power.
In a nutshell: Pete has more potential than Bruce [Wayne], by far.
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Seriously I'm curious how you lack even the most basic knowledge of the character when DC has classified him as a genius for almost the characters entire existence. He also has eidetic memory/total recall which Spiderman lacks. No amount of money can buy you that. Even you have money you can't go around mastering various sciences without having the intellect to grasp them in the first place.
Also if Spiderman is so smart why didn't he use his genius intellect to get him and his aunt out of the rat hole they lived in for so many years? Oh yeah, it's an excuse people make for Spiderman's lack of feats.
Spiderman may potentially be in the same league as Bruce and other geniuses but he isn't now and given Marvel they'll probably never elevate him to that status.
Spider-Man is smarter than Batman, at a much younger age, mind you. He's already considered to have intelligence equal to Reed Richards when he was his age. Batman doesn't stand a chance, pal. Spider-Man is simply more intelligent.
... Now Batman is more 'knowledgeable' than Batman, obviously. Intelligence-wise (i.e., IQ-wise), however, Spider-Man is literally a tier, if not two, above him (Batman's IQ = 192; Spider-Man's IQ = 250-270).
Well a teenager developed a web shooter, not much effort, controlled powers in mere days and made his own proper costume with has survived explosions and so on, does more need to be said?
Spider-Man is smarter than Batman, at a much younger age, mind you. He's already considered to have intelligence equal to Reed Richards when he was his age. Batman doesn't stand a chance, pal. Spider-Man is simply more intelligent.
... Now Batman is more 'knowledgeable' than Batman, obviously. Intelligence-wise (i.e., IQ-wise), however, Spider-Man is literally a tier, if not two, above him (Batman's IQ = 192; Spider-Man's IQ = 250-270).
Sorry, Spiderman isn't even as smart as Amadeus Cho, or Black Panther, or Hank McCoy, he'll always be known as the guy that just couldn't crack Marvel's top 8. Batman's IQ has never been stated to be 192, it's just internet talk that's been spread around by uneducated folk like yourself. DC doesn't go into IQ's like Marvel does and for all we know their minds can be 300+. It's never been stated in comics. As far as having an IQ of 250, Marc Guggenheim wrote that and he's had a boner for Spiderman for years.
Batman is more knowledgable than Spiderman and much more intelligent. Return of Bruce Wayne had Batman outsmarting Darkseid of all people from millions of years in the past, he's already out of Spiderman's weight class.
-Spiderman is so smart that he tried to punch a guy made out of molten lava,
-Spiderman is so smart that he tried to web Daredevil's eyes even though he knew he was already blind.
-Spiderman is so smart that he couldn't figure out a way to get him and his aunt out of the dump they lived in. That's just sad
Honestly you don't have any credibility and you should take your own advice and log off, you literally said earlier that Bruce Wayne has above average intelligence, quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Gj
Spider-Man is smarter than Batman, at a much younger age, mind you. He's already considered to have intelligence equal to Reed Richards when he was his age. Batman doesn't stand a chance, pal. Spider-Man is simply more intelligent.
... Now Batman is more 'knowledgeable' than Batman, obviously. Intelligence-wise (i.e., IQ-wise), however, Spider-Man is literally a tier, if not two, above him (Batman's IQ = 192; Spider-Man's IQ = 250-270).
Sorry, Spiderman isn't even as smart as Amadeus Cho, he'll always be known as the guy that just couldn't crack Marvel's top 8. Batman's IQ has never been stated to be 192, it's just internet talk that's been spread around by uneducated folk like yourself. DC doesn't go into IQ's like Marvel does and for all we know their minds can be 300+. It's never been stated in comics.
Batman is more knowledgable than Spiderman and much more intelligent. Spiderman is so smart that he tried to punch a guy made out of molten lava, Spiderman is so smart that he tried to web Daredevil's eyes even though he knew he was already blind.
Spiderman is so smart that he couldn't figure out a way to get him and his aunt out of the dump they lived in ROFL. That's just sad
Honestly you don't have any credibility and you should take your own advice and log off, you literally said earlier that Bruce Wayne has above average intelligence, quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Gj
You sound like a butthurt DC fanboy, so you being irrational and illogical is to be expected, I suppose.
Your ignorance of Spider-Man's intelligence is laughable at best.
An argument would suggest that the opposing poster actually has knowledge of the character he's trying to bash, rather than being a butthurt fanboy with literally no knowledge of said character's super genius intelligence. This isn't an argument; this is simply an instance of a retard having access to a computer and wanking Batman's intelligence, when everyone knows Spider-Man is more intelligent and has a higher IQ, plain and simple.
An argument would suggest that the opposing poster actually has knowledge of the character he's trying to bash, rather than being a butthurt fanboy with literally no knowledge of said character's super genius intelligence. This isn't an argument; this is simply an instance of a retard having access to a computer and wanking Batman's intelligence, when everyone knows Spider-Man is more intelligent and has a higher IQ, plain and simple.
You're putting Batman fans worldwide to shame.
I'm laughing so hard right now, I've already shown factual information to debunk everything you've said and all you can do at this point is stay delusional and regurgitate the same argument over and over again while screaming fanboy, flaming and trolling.
1. You stated that Batman only has above average intelligence, I have proven you wrong
2. You said that Batman has an IQ of 192, I have proven you wrong again as this has never been stated in comics once
The difference between us is that I'm debunking your argument, while you do nothing but repeat yourself.
Face it, you have no ammo to use here and are horribly outclassed. The only person showing ignorance of a character is you.
Grow a few years older, get educated on the characters, then you can come back and make an educated comment and not troll the forums like you're doing right now.
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