just asking if anyone knows the answer??
I'm saying, in the 60's when Spidey was created the basic formula for super-heroes in america was
capes
muscles
half or all of face showing
In Japan super heroes wore masks that covered their whole faces and body and were slim like in sentai (ultraman Zyuranger)
Did Stan get the idea from a trip to Japan or something
Does anyone know the answer
Spider-Man
Character » Spider-Man appears in 17242 issues.
Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider as a teenager, granting him spider-like powers. After the death of his Uncle Ben, Peter learned that "with great power, comes great responsibility." Swearing to always protect the innocent from harm, Peter Parker became Spider-Man.
Did Stan Lee get Spideys design idea from Japan?
I've no idea, but it makes sense. His outfit is very Power Rangerish. In fact, in the first movie when he's fighting Goblin during that parade, all I could think of was Power Rangers.
I've no idea, but it makes sense. His outfit is very Power Rangerish. In fact, in the first movie when he's fighting Goblin during that parade, all I could think of was Power Rangers.LOL I actually thought Green goblins outfit was ridiculouly Power rangerish in that movie, but yeah I see what your saying, Spidey would get a lot more done if he had a giant mech anyway
If you count the Kid Flash look as Super Sentai-style, Wally West debuted a couple years before Spiderman (in the late 1950s) Regardless, the first Super-Sentai series was in the 70s, wasn't it? Spider-Man debuted in the early 60sHe was saying Sentai-style, not specifically that series though.
@cattlebattle said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:I've no idea, but it makes sense. His outfit is very Power Rangerish. In fact, in the first movie when he's fighting Goblin during that parade, all I could think of was Power Rangers.LOL I actually thought Green goblins outfit was ridiculouly Power rangerish in that movie, but yeah I see what your saying, Spidey would get a lot more done if he had a giant mech anyway
Everyone would get more done with a giant mech :P
@Adnan said:Oh that's not what I meant. I forgot to ask - does anyone know when thaat Style first debuted?If you count the Kid Flash look as Super Sentai-style, Wally West debuted a couple years before Spiderman (in the late 1950s) Regardless, the first Super-Sentai series was in the 70s, wasn't it? Spider-Man debuted in the early 60sHe was saying Sentai-style, not specifically that series though.
@FadeToBlackBolt said:The 50's I believe,@Adnan said:Oh that's not what I meant. I forgot to ask - does anyone know when thaat Style first debuted?If you count the Kid Flash look as Super Sentai-style, Wally West debuted a couple years before Spiderman (in the late 1950s) Regardless, the first Super-Sentai series was in the 70s, wasn't it? Spider-Man debuted in the early 60sHe was saying Sentai-style, not specifically that series though.
@cattlebattle:
Spider-Man predates the Power Rangers by several decades, and even predates the first ever super sentai series by about 12 years (Kamen Rider, which came out in 1975). So no, he can not have been modeled after things that came out many years after him. He is simply original when compared to the look of most superheroes that came before (i.e. DC characters).
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
I've no idea, but it makes sense. His outfit is very Power Rangerish. In fact, in the first movie when he's fighting Goblin during that parade, all I could think of was Power Rangers.
Quite true. I think most people watching the first Spider-Man film felt the Goblin design was very Power Ranger-ish.
@cattlebattle said:
@Adnan said:@FadeToBlackBolt said:The 50's I believe,@Adnan said:Oh that's not what I meant. I forgot to ask - does anyone know when thaat Style first debuted?If you count the Kid Flash look as Super Sentai-style, Wally West debuted a couple years before Spiderman (in the late 1950s) Regardless, the first Super-Sentai series was in the 70s, wasn't it? Spider-Man debuted in the early 60sHe was saying Sentai-style, not specifically that series though.
Nope, sentai began in the 70's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Sentai
@cattlebattle:Spider-Man predates the Power Rangers by several decades, and even predates the first ever super sentai series by about 12 years (Kamen Rider, which came out in 1975).
Okay...Sooo???? Oh, I get it! You're saying that Stan Lee was a time traveler. He obviously traveled forward in time, stole the idea, went back to the 60s (because who wouldn't want to) and VOILA!!! It's almost TOO easy...
LOL! I'm just playing!
Wouldn't it be Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko since all Stan did was write the character and allegedly stole all the credit.......
Really? I thought Ultraman (which is in the same genre as other characters like godzilla) was created in the 50's it's called tohatsu or something, Yes Sentai wasn't around until the 70's but the fore mentioned "tohatsu" (I'm pretty sure I have the name wrong) was essentially the precursor as many things were similar, including the character outfits.@Timandm: lol!
@cattlebattle: Tokusatsu just means "special effects" shows, and while the first of them came out in the 50's most were not superhero shows except for Super Giant. But that has more in common with Superman than Spider-Man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Giant
Ultraman did not come out until 1967 (so that's after Spider-Man) and that is the one thought of as a precursor to the super sentai shows which started coming out in the mid to late 70's.
@cattlebattle: Oh yeah, and Spidey himself had a sentai show in Japan in 1978 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_(Toei)
So if anything I would say Japanese characters were inspired by Spider-Man (rather than the other way around) who was popular enough to get his own show in Japan when sentai shows became popular.
Wouldn't it be Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko since all Stan did was write the character and stole all the credit.......
Well, if we want to go further, you could say the costume was inspired by Ninja's but that's all I'm getting.
just asking if anyone knows the answer?? I'm saying, in the 60's when Spidey was created the basic formula for super-heroes in america was capes muscles half or all of face showing In Japan super heroes wore masks that covered their whole faces and body and were slim like in sentai (ultraman Zyuranger) Did Stan get the idea from a trip to Japan or something Does anyone know the answer
I think he got it from wrestling. There are Luchadores that wrestle with masks that cover their entire faces. Also spidey wore a mask like that when he first wrestled.
He could have. A lot of Superhero designs come from Japan.ALL of Japans designs were all based on Disney's early animation anyway. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Steve Ditko influenced Japan to suggest it's the other way around is quite comical.
Sentai ,power rangers (zyurangers) predated the Spider-Man show by 5 years.......lol when I was 13 I got this show from a flea market, it was awesome......beacause I was 13@cattlebattle:
actually Ditko created the suit of Spider-man, and Spider-man then became popular in Japan (Japanese Spider-man tv Series1979), and then the Power Rangers (Super Sentai, 1993), then appeared Masked Rider (tv Series, 1996)...
@Amegashita:I think he means in that show they are more "slanted" than normal to represent an Asian sterotype
?...
Spider-mas was created with thin eyes...
@cattlebattle: @Deadcool: Sorry for this bump, But I am in the mood to give history lessons xD
The Tokusatsu genre Power Rangers comes from started in 1958 with Japan's first TV Super Hero Gekko Kamen (Moonlight Mask AKA the real Moon Knight) The a year later the hero Nana Iro Kamen (7-Colour Mask) was his successor was created in 1959. This is where the heroes started getting helmets and such. The next step was Ultraman in 1966 where the helmets and looks started to get better and better.
Till 1971 when Ishinomori (a man with just as much heroes as Stan Lee) made Kamen Rider (from the Skull Man) which is where the Power Rangers got allot of their basic tropes from.Then after starting his Silver age of Tokusatsu heroes Ishinomori created a show called Himitsu Sentai Goranger in 1975 which is the first Super Sentai series (Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger AKA Power Rangers is the 16th) Which he came up with by combining his his older work Cyborg 009 with Gatchaman This show was so popular that it went for 86 episodes. Making it his second most popular show ever (Kamen Rider = 98) But the franchise started to fail in 1977-78 with his second show. JAKQ Dengekitai. Luckily around this time Stan Lee came to Japan. He showed interest in the shows and gave Toei permission to make a show. Which was Spiderman in 1978. This introduced the robot on that cover, Leopardeon. Giant Robot Toku did air earlier and Ishinomori even made one of his own. But he had nothing to do with Sentai at that time any more and no one combined Super Heroes with Robots before. And this was an hit! So Toei inserted one in the 3rd show Battle Fever J and used Marvel heroes as a guideline for new suites.
Battle Japan = Captain America, Miss America = Miss America, Battle Kenya = Black Panther, And Battle France & Battle Cossack are so obscure in design that it could be any super hero.
So what I am saying is that Spiderman didn't get influenced by it at all (still think its from Mexican wrestlers) and Stan Lee liked Sentai so much that he tried to sell it subbed to American television networks... Failed and then sold it to some guy. It eventually came in the hands of Saban. So Stan Lee saved Super Sentai and gave birth to Power Rangers by giving them Megazords through Spidey xD
Just to make up for all the bull shit I just wrote out of boredom. Sorry xD
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