Did Stan Lee get Spideys design idea from Japan?

#1 Posted by cattlebattle (12579 posts) - - Show Bio

just asking if anyone knows the answer??
 
I'm saying, in the 60's when Spidey was created the basic formula for super-heroes in america was
capes
muscles
half or all of face showing
 
In Japan super heroes wore masks that covered their whole faces and body and were slim like in sentai (ultraman Zyuranger) 
 
Did Stan get the idea from a trip to Japan or something
 
Does anyone know the answer

#2 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio

I've no idea, but it makes sense. His outfit is very Power Rangerish. In fact, in the first movie when he's fighting Goblin during that parade, all I could think of was Power Rangers.

#3 Posted by cattlebattle (12579 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
I've no idea, but it makes sense. His outfit is very Power Rangerish. In fact, in the first movie when he's fighting Goblin during that parade, all I could think of was Power Rangers.
LOL I actually thought Green goblins outfit was ridiculouly Power rangerish in that movie, but yeah I see what your saying, Spidey would get a lot more done if he had a giant mech anyway
#4 Posted by Adnan (1037 posts) - - Show Bio

If you count the Kid Flash look as Super Sentai-style, Wally West debuted a couple years before Spiderman (in the late 1950s) Regardless, the first Super-Sentai series was in the 70s, wasn't it? Spider-Man debuted in the early 60s

#5 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Adnan said:
If you count the Kid Flash look as Super Sentai-style, Wally West debuted a couple years before Spiderman (in the late 1950s) Regardless, the first Super-Sentai series was in the 70s, wasn't it? Spider-Man debuted in the early 60s
He was saying Sentai-style, not specifically that series though. 
 
@cattlebattle said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
I've no idea, but it makes sense. His outfit is very Power Rangerish. In fact, in the first movie when he's fighting Goblin during that parade, all I could think of was Power Rangers.
LOL I actually thought Green goblins outfit was ridiculouly Power rangerish in that movie, but yeah I see what your saying, Spidey would get a lot more done if he had a giant mech anyway

Everyone would get more done with a giant mech :P
#6 Posted by Adnan (1037 posts) - - Show Bio
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@Adnan said:
If you count the Kid Flash look as Super Sentai-style, Wally West debuted a couple years before Spiderman (in the late 1950s) Regardless, the first Super-Sentai series was in the 70s, wasn't it? Spider-Man debuted in the early 60s
He was saying Sentai-style, not specifically that series though. 

Oh that's not what I meant. I forgot to ask - does anyone know when thaat Style first debuted?
#7 Posted by cattlebattle (12579 posts) - - Show Bio
@Adnan said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@Adnan said:
If you count the Kid Flash look as Super Sentai-style, Wally West debuted a couple years before Spiderman (in the late 1950s) Regardless, the first Super-Sentai series was in the 70s, wasn't it? Spider-Man debuted in the early 60s
He was saying Sentai-style, not specifically that series though. 

Oh that's not what I meant. I forgot to ask - does anyone know when thaat Style first debuted?
The 50's I believe,
#8 Posted by Icon (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle:

Spider-Man predates the Power Rangers by several decades, and even predates the first ever super sentai series by about 12 years (Kamen Rider, which came out in 1975). So no, he can not have been modeled after things that came out many years after him. He is simply original when compared to the look of most superheroes that came before (i.e. DC characters).

@FadeToBlackBolt said:

I've no idea, but it makes sense. His outfit is very Power Rangerish. In fact, in the first movie when he's fighting Goblin during that parade, all I could think of was Power Rangers.

Quite true. I think most people watching the first Spider-Man film felt the Goblin design was very Power Ranger-ish.

#9 Edited by Icon (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle said:

@Adnan said:
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@Adnan said:
If you count the Kid Flash look as Super Sentai-style, Wally West debuted a couple years before Spiderman (in the late 1950s) Regardless, the first Super-Sentai series was in the 70s, wasn't it? Spider-Man debuted in the early 60s
He was saying Sentai-style, not specifically that series though.
Oh that's not what I meant. I forgot to ask - does anyone know when thaat Style first debuted?
The 50's I believe,

Nope, sentai began in the 70's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Sentai

#10 Edited by PowerHerc (80707 posts) - - Show Bio

Doubtful, since Stan really didn't do much in the way of actually drawing/designing superheroes.

If anyone would've been influenced/inspired by the Japanese when creating Spider-Man, it would've been Steve Ditko.

#11 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio
@Icon
 @cattlebattle:Spider-Man predates the Power Rangers by several decades, and even predates the first ever super sentai series by about 12 years (Kamen Rider, which came out in 1975). 
 
Okay...Sooo????  Oh, I get it!  You're saying that Stan Lee was a time traveler.  He obviously traveled forward in time, stole the idea, went back to the 60s (because who wouldn't want to) and VOILA!!!  It's almost TOO easy...
 
LOL!  I'm just playing!
#12 Posted by I'maDC/ImageGuy! (1648 posts) - - Show Bio

Wouldn't it be Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko since all Stan did was write the character and allegedly stole all the credit.......

#13 Posted by Icon (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@Timandm: lol!

#14 Posted by cattlebattle (12579 posts) - - Show Bio
@Icon said:

@Timandm: lol!

Really? I thought Ultraman (which is in the same genre as other characters like godzilla) was created in the 50's it's called tohatsu or something, Yes Sentai wasn't around until the 70's but the fore mentioned  "tohatsu" (I'm pretty sure I have the name wrong) was essentially the precursor as many things were similar, including the character outfits.
#15 Posted by Adnan (1037 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle: You mean Tokusatsu? (why do I know this stuff...) The early stuff doesn't seem to be as similar to Super Sentai as you're implying, though it definitely inspired it.
#16 Posted by Icon (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: Tokusatsu just means "special effects" shows, and while the first of them came out in the 50's most were not superhero shows except for Super Giant. But that has more in common with Superman than Spider-Man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Giant

Ultraman did not come out until 1967 (so that's after Spider-Man) and that is the one thought of as a precursor to the super sentai shows which started coming out in the mid to late 70's.

#17 Posted by Icon (2051 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: Oh yeah, and Spidey himself had a sentai show in Japan in 1978 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_(Toei)

So if anything I would say Japanese characters were inspired by Spider-Man (rather than the other way around) who was popular enough to get his own show in Japan when sentai shows became popular.

#18 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle: You're probably right... I really know very little about Japanese animation/comics etc...
#19 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio
@I'maDC/ImageGuy! said:
Wouldn't it be Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko since all Stan did was write the character and  stole all the credit.......
#20 Posted by I'maDC/ImageGuy! (1648 posts) - - Show Bio
@turoksonofstone: I said allegedly.
#21 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio
@I'maDC/ImageGuy! said:
@turoksonofstone: I said allegedly.
I know. *fixed*
#22 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio

  Well, if we want to go further, you could say the costume was inspired by Ninja's but that's all I'm getting.   

#23 Posted by doordoor123 (3721 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle said:
just asking if anyone knows the answer??  I'm saying, in the 60's when Spidey was created the basic formula for super-heroes in america was capes muscles half or all of face showing  In Japan super heroes wore masks that covered their whole faces and body and were slim like in sentai (ultraman Zyuranger)   Did Stan get the idea from a trip to Japan or something Does anyone know the answer

I think he got it from wrestling. There are Luchadores that wrestle with masks that cover their entire faces. Also spidey wore a mask like that when he first wrestled.
#24 Posted by Nefarious (18363 posts) - - Show Bio

He could have. A lot of Superhero designs come from Japan.

#25 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nefarious said:
He could have. A lot of Superhero designs come from Japan.
ALL of Japans designs were all based on Disney's early animation anyway. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, and Steve Ditko influenced Japan to suggest it's the other way around is quite comical.
#26 Posted by Nefarious (18363 posts) - - Show Bio
@turoksonofstone: Comical, indeed. That is interesting, Disney's early animations were awesome.
#27 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle
actually Ditko created the suit of Spider-man, and Spider-man then became popular in Japan (Japanese Spider-man tv Series1979), and then the Power Rangers (Super Sentai, 1993), then appeared Masked Rider (tv Series, 1996)... 
 
 
  
  
#28 Posted by cattlebattle (12579 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:

@cattlebattle
actually Ditko created the suit of Spider-man, and Spider-man then became popular in Japan (Japanese Spider-man tv Series1979), and then the Power Rangers (Super Sentai, 1993), then appeared Masked Rider (tv Series, 1996)... 
 

  
  
Sentai ,power rangers (zyurangers) predated the Spider-Man show by 5 years.......lol when I was 13 I got this show from a flea market, it was awesome......beacause I was 13
#29 Posted by Amegashita (3601 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said: 
  
  
  Of course the eyes on the Mask of Spider-Man would be thin.  Stereotypes galore.  
#30 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio
@Amegashita
?... 
 
Spider-mas was created with thin eyes... 
Kirby's Spider-man
#31 Posted by cattlebattle (12579 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deadcool said:
@Amegashita
?... 
 
Spider-mas was created with thin eyes... 
Kirby's Spider-man
I think he means in that show they are more "slanted" than normal to represent an Asian sterotype
#32 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio
@cattlebattle

OH! I see =)
#33 Edited by Kamen Rider Kajiki (1388 posts) - - Show Bio

@cattlebattle: @Deadcool: Sorry for this bump, But I am in the mood to give history lessons xD

The Tokusatsu genre Power Rangers comes from started in 1958 with Japan's first TV Super Hero Gekko Kamen (Moonlight Mask AKA the real Moon Knight) The a year later the hero Nana Iro Kamen (7-Colour Mask) was his successor was created in 1959. This is where the heroes started getting helmets and such. The next step was Ultraman in 1966 where the helmets and looks started to get better and better.

Till 1971 when Ishinomori (a man with just as much heroes as Stan Lee) made Kamen Rider (from the Skull Man) which is where the Power Rangers got allot of their basic tropes from.Then after starting his Silver age of Tokusatsu heroes Ishinomori created a show called Himitsu Sentai Goranger in 1975 which is the first Super Sentai series (Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger AKA Power Rangers is the 16th) Which he came up with by combining his his older work Cyborg 009 with Gatchaman This show was so popular that it went for 86 episodes. Making it his second most popular show ever (Kamen Rider = 98) But the franchise started to fail in 1977-78 with his second show. JAKQ Dengekitai. Luckily around this time Stan Lee came to Japan. He showed interest in the shows and gave Toei permission to make a show. Which was Spiderman in 1978. This introduced the robot on that cover, Leopardeon. Giant Robot Toku did air earlier and Ishinomori even made one of his own. But he had nothing to do with Sentai at that time any more and no one combined Super Heroes with Robots before. And this was an hit! So Toei inserted one in the 3rd show Battle Fever J and used Marvel heroes as a guideline for new suites.

Battle Japan = Captain America, Miss America = Miss America, Battle Kenya = Black Panther, And Battle France & Battle Cossack are so obscure in design that it could be any super hero.

So what I am saying is that Spiderman didn't get influenced by it at all (still think its from Mexican wrestlers) and Stan Lee liked Sentai so much that he tried to sell it subbed to American television networks... Failed and then sold it to some guy. It eventually came in the hands of Saban. So Stan Lee saved Super Sentai and gave birth to Power Rangers by giving them Megazords through Spidey xD

Just to make up for all the bull shit I just wrote out of boredom. Sorry xD

#34 Posted by Deadcool (6809 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kamen Rider Kajiki: No problem, now this thread is complete.

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