We all know by now that Carlie has figured things out and she knows Doc Ock is Spider-man, and after what happened in Superior Spider-Man #8, if feels like Slott is setting it up for Carlie to oust SpOcK, at least that's how it looks to me. So I set this thread up to explore that possibility.
In case you don't know what I'm on about, it all started in The Amazing Spider-Man #700 - Dying Wish: Suicide Run; Spider-Dreams; Date Night
Where Peter in Ocks body tries to convince her of who he really is, unsuccessfully
But the seed of doubt had been planted.
with these panels we see what Peter said in 700 take root and has placed doubt on what she might have considered ludicrous.
or the way she said it - Crazy-town banana pants
After that she no longer had those doubts when she got confirmation! in Superior Spider-Man #3 - Everything You Know is Wrong
With these pages, what he did to the Vulture, whatever doubts she may have thought was Crazy-town banana pants has disappeared and now she knows for a fact that it's not Peter under the Mask but Doc Ock, even though she doesn't come out and say it.
At this stage I was now wondering if her life was in danger from Doc Ock if he was to suspect she knew.
Next we have full confirmation of what she knows with the release of Superior Spider-Man #8 - Troubled Mind Part Two: Proof Positive
With this single page, which in my opinion was the best of the whole issue (the rest are Crazy-town banana pants) we have 100% confirmation that she knows for a fact that it's Doc Ock under the mask and not Peter.
But questions remain
With Issue 10s release we find it's actually Captain Watanabe
2- How will she scientifically prove what she knows to be true?
3- Will she get anyone else to help her expose the truth?
With Superior Spider-Man #10 - Independence Day she gets a ally in her mission to expose Superior Spider-man, We also have Mary Jane FINALLY beginning to have her own doubts about spider-man and what happens to her in this issues only goes to give them justification. Hopefully this means that Mary Jane will approach Carlie tell her her doubts, resulting in Carlie telling her what she knows and they end up working together in order to put a stop to SpOck
And has allied herself with Carlie in order to expose SpOck.
As a result of the events in Superior Spider-Man #14 - A Blind Eye, We see in Superior Spider-Man #15 - Run, Goblin, Run! Part 1 of 2: The Tinkerer's Apprentice that Carlie along with Captain Watanabe as the Wraith, now have an avenue of investigation that could lead to SpOck exposure. As for Captain Watanabe, now that it seems she fully on the side of Carlie's thinking about SSM, she will begin her own investigation, in conjunction with Carlie's.
Mary Jane also seems to be coming round to the idea that Peter's not Peter. but like Carlie seems to need another push in order for her to do something, like approach Carlie about her doubts.
With Superior Spider-Man #16 - Run, Goblin, Run! Part 2 of 2, and with the aid of Wraith/Yuri Watanabe,The next phase of the investigation seems to have gotten of with what looks like a solid lead.
Anyone fancy a trip to the Caymans?
|Although might not happen, there is a possibility that Norah Winters becomes the second person to join Carlie in her investigation of SpOck, as a result of being fired from the Bugle, because of her not only being the girlfriend of Phil Urich aka Hobgoblin, but all the stories she put forward about the Hobgoblin came from Phil himself.|
Finally, Carlie has the proof she needs to expose SpOck for the fake he is, whether it's enough we'll have to wait and see, with Superior Spider-Man #19 we see her at the Caymans, chasing down who we can assume is the banker who handles the bank accounts of the villains in the Marvel universe.
|In these pages we see both Carlie & Yuri/Wraith chasing down the man the handles the bank accounts of numerous villains|
In this page, we see catching the man in the process to destroying records and find where those that prove that the money that was paying for all the equipment SpOck used to take down Shadowland came from the account of Doctor Otto Gunther Octavius.
Whether or not this is enough convince certain individuals of this we will have to wait and see, for a defence attorney could state that Spider-man found the account and instead of handing it over decided to use the funds to fight crime, weak, yes, but plausible.
In this page we finally see Mary Jane being the woman we all know she is, someone who is strong and takes charge of her life, although she has not caught on to who "Peter" really is, at least, as a result of him avoiding her and showing he no longer cares for her, has cut ties to him completely and decided to move on without him, what this could mean once Peter returns, we can only wait and see.
And with her involvement in the Darkest Hours Arc we can surmise, at the very least a good guess, that she finally learns the truth from Carlie herself.
Issue 23 - More with MJ! More with Carlie
Issue 24 - MJ’s greatest fear!
And of course let's not forget, her, I'm certain, definite involvement in the upcoming Goblin Nation arc, starting Issue 26
With Superior Spider-Man #20, we see Carlie stating that she has the evidence she needs to take to the Avengers, hopefully that would be enough for them, at the very least it might get them to start their own investigation in SpOck.
Here we see Carlie stating that she has the evidence to take to the Avengers and now that she has proof, is warning MJ to keep away from Peter.
As a result it looks like SpOck could lose loose everything, unfortunately he might not be the only victim as a result of the investigation.
It's also looks like this is the seed of where Carlie would go to see MJ, in order to explain the message she left.
Unfortunately looks like Wraith (Captain Watanabe) involvement with this investigation seemed to have come to an end.
But another way to look of the solicits of Issues 23 & 24
Issue 23 - More with MJ! More with Carlie!
What if "More with MJ!" means a further look at what she's up to, after she met with Pedro and cut ties with SpOck, and the last panel could be her listening to Carlie's message.
What if "More with Carlie!" means she is meeting with the Avengers and is putting forward her case.
MJ’s greatest fear!
Could simply be that after listening to Carlie's message, she finds out the Avengers have taken out a warrant for Spider-man arrest, or at the very least is wanted for questioning based on what Carlie gave them. Might even have something to do with the fate of Don Lamaze, after SpOck swore to ruin him, and this Venom arc would be the best way to do it.
With what happened to Black Cat here, one would wonder what she'll do to get back at Spider-man, would she approach MJ to find out what's going on with him and why he did what he did and as a result of Carlie possibly telling MJ of what she finds, she herself finds out that he isn't who he is.
Or, is this something that will fester in her for a while and we only see her retaliate only after Peter returns, and Peter not knowing what it's all about.
Here we see Carlie visiting the grave of Peter, ready to expose SpOck. Only to find out the grave is empty and worst still being abducted by Menace.
So the questions here are
As to the question as to why Menace abducted Carlie, we find out that she was keeping tabs on her and that she knows what Carlie knows and now the Goblin as well.
Does what happened to Carlie lead to this
"With one last goblin on his side, the Goblin King’s court is now complete!" Issue 25
Maybe if Greeny persuades Carlie to join his ranks, by promising to take down SpOck or, and I hope not, brainwashing her
With Superior Spider-Man #22 - Darkest Hours, Part 1 of 4 we see Captain Watanabe/Wraith visiting Carlies apartment, finding Carlie missing and her apartment ransacked and we also see JJ Jameson figuring out how to get out of blackmailed by SpOck.
On this page Captain Watanabe/Wraith visits Carlies apartment as she has not been able to contact her, only to find the apartment ransacked and the evidence Carlie gathered proving who SpOck really is missing.
Understandably, she comes to wrong conclusion that SpOck was behind Carlie being missing and has vowed, as the Wraith, to bring in SpOck Dead or Alive.
|Here we see JJ Jameson, still under the thumb of SpOck, coming up with something that , from his reaction will free him from SpOck.|
With all that has happened, do you think Carlie will be able to expose SpOck for the fake he is and when could it happen
will SpOck do something that puts a stop to her investigation if he ever found out, either by getting J. Jonah Jameson to intervene, as he seems to LOVE this more brutal spider-man or (I really hope not) do something more permanent like framing her for a crime or killing her.
Especially since he has the following at his disposal
- Over $50 million in secret accounts.
- The backing of the Mayor & Police force, as he is black
- Access to Horizon labs & his own secret laboratories.
- The program created by Uatu Jackson to find anyone in the city.
- His spider-bots patrolling the city.
And now with Superior Spider-Man #13 - No Escape Part Three: The Slayers & The Slain, he now has even more of a hold on the Mayor Jameson
Just a quick note someone already knows all the details, but won't/can't do anything because it's not their jurisdiction