Can Spider-Man be grim and gritty?

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#51 Posted by laflux (13718 posts) - - Show Bio

@strider92: Grim Hunt and Back in Black Spider-Man are great choices.

You could also have the sin-eater arc as well as the non-cannon Spider-Man Reign too :)

if done well yes, but it should be for an arc or so. no more than.

Or you can have what-if Spin-Offs

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#52 Posted by TekTheNinja (766 posts) - - Show Bio

short answer......yes.

#53 Edited by HumanRocket (7064 posts) - - Show Bio

It doesn't fit with spidey/Pete. He's not a batman personality type.

#54 Posted by TheAcidSkull (17152 posts) - - Show Bio
#55 Posted by wanonalake (292 posts) - - Show Bio
@thehulk said:

Hulk not so sure. When Hulk was watching Amazing Spider-Man, Hulk was like, "Jeez, do you need to be so dark. This isn't Titanic or Dear John. It's freaking Spiderman. Lighten up a little."

hehehehe... i like your profile.

Anyway. Yeah, of course he can. Merc spiderman is pretty grim. He even killed a guy. Just, shot him in the face.

Yes, that's spiderman. I think it was from "The Spider That Went Into the Cold."

#56 Posted by M3th (2032 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes but very rarely.

-m3th.O.D.-

#57 Posted by tikhunt (676 posts) - - Show Bio

For an arc or two a darker Spiderman book works but not as a full time thing.

#58 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn;t it the point of Adjective-less Spiderman

#59 Edited by july16th (77 posts) - - Show Bio

@innervenom123 said:

@rulerofthisuniverse said:

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No.

@guardian_of_gravity said:

Could it be done? Yes

Should it be done? No.

@spideysense44 said:

It could but should not

Spider-man: Death of Jean DeWolffe.

Spider-man: Kraven's Last Hunt.

Spider-man: Back in Black.

Spider-man: Grim Hunt.

You'll notice that these stories, A) exist, and B) are awesome.

EXACTLY! Those are awesome stories! Honestly, spiderman's life is quite grim and gritty to begin with if you think about it. I've felt touched by them on more than one occasion!

#60 Edited by tigerkaya (1262 posts) - - Show Bio

Screw grim and gritty or light hearted and happy. I just want a good quality written story dammit with an in character Peter Parker personality.

#61 Posted by PunyParker (8837 posts) - - Show Bio

@july16th said:

@punyparker said:

@innervenom123 said:

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No.

@guardian_of_gravity said:

Could it be done? Yes

Should it be done? No.

@spideysense44 said:

It could but should not

Spider-man: Death of Jean DeWolffe.

Spider-man: Kraven's Last Hunt.

Spider-man: Back in Black.

Spider-man: Grim Hunt.

You'll notice that these stories, A) exist, and B) are awesome.

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Why there are not many people like you!

#62 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@july16th: He's still a guy in a ridiculous get up. While I like him being taken seriously, I don't see how he can be made as dark as batman. Any attempt would just seem like trying too hard. Maybe for an arc or two, but reinventing him to be Grimdark would be incredibly silly.

#63 Posted by spider11211 (1134 posts) - - Show Bio

@july16th: He's still a guy in a ridiculous get up. While I like him being taken seriously, I don't see how he can be made as dark as batman. Any attempt would just seem like trying too hard. Maybe for an arc or two, but reinventing him to be Grimdark would be incredibly silly.

How is a guy with a cape any better off for being taken seriously?

#64 Posted by Bezza (3269 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't want dark and gritty! Too many comics are dark these days, please leave Spidey with some lighter moments! We cant all be Batman and I don't want everyone to be modelled on the dark knight!

#65 Edited by Guardian_of_Gravity (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

@spider11211: Spiderman can be taken seriously, but he really shouldn't be Grimdark, not permanently anyway. Leave that for Judge Dredd and Batman.

Besides, way too many comics don't know how to have fun with themselves anymore.

#66 Posted by spider11211 (1134 posts) - - Show Bio

@spider11211: Spiderman can be taken seriously, but he really shouldn't be Grimdark, not permanently anyway. Leave that for Judge Dredd and Batman.

Besides, way too many comics don't know how to have fun with themselves anymore.

Trust me I agree I am not a fan of the current direction of the book.

#67 Posted by kcjr (260 posts) - - Show Bio

Just like most here have said, dark stories in which Peter is pushed to his emotional limits, or have a darker tone are cool. However, Peter deep down is an optimist, and persistant darkness just would not work with him.

#68 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

I like some dark Spider-Man stories but I don't want all Spider-Man stories to be dark. If they were the character would lose something and I'm not sure if his comics would be as enjoyable.

#69 Posted by DecoyElite (4019 posts) - - Show Bio

@spider11211: Spiderman can be taken seriously, but he really shouldn't be Grimdark, not permanently anyway. Leave that for Judge Dredd and Batman.

Besides, way too many comics don't know how to have fun with themselves anymore.

Ironically I consider a Bat book one of the funnest comics on the market right now.

#70 Posted by Wolverine08 (38093 posts) - - Show Bio

Just write a good story.

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#71 Posted by jointron33 (1902 posts) - - Show Bio

Like I said, I didn't mean that Peter would take like Frank Miller Batman, that Mary Jane is a cheating crackwhore, Aunt May gets raped by Doc Ock, and Harry Osborn has AIDS. I meant, maybe his "darkness" is meant to intimidate the criminals in a funny way, laughing at a guy who pees in his pants, and then kicking in the nuts.

#72 Posted by Billy Batson (57705 posts) - - Show Bio

The character has surrounded by death and misfortunes since his conception.

Seems like a dark character to me.

BB

#73 Posted by spider11211 (1134 posts) - - Show Bio

Like I said, I didn't mean that Peter would take like Frank Miller Batman, that Mary Jane is a cheating crackwhore, Aunt May gets raped by Doc Ock, and Harry Osborn has AIDS. I meant, maybe his "darkness" is meant to intimidate the criminals in a funny way, laughing at a guy who pees in his pants, and then kicking in the nuts.

That would give me a chuckle.

#74 Posted by PunyParker (8837 posts) - - Show Bio

Like I said, I didn't mean that Peter would take like Frank Miller Batman, that Mary Jane is a cheating crackwhore, Aunt May gets raped by Doc Ock, and Harry Osborn has AIDS. I meant, maybe his "darkness" is meant to intimidate the criminals in a funny way, laughing at a guy who pees in his pants, and then kicking in the nuts.

#75 Posted by july16th (77 posts) - - Show Bio

@guardian_of_gravity said:

@july16th: He's still a guy in a ridiculous get up. While I like him being taken seriously, I don't see how he can be made as dark as batman. Any attempt would just seem like trying too hard. Maybe for an arc or two, but reinventing him to be Grimdark would be incredibly silly.

How is a guy with a cape any better off for being taken seriously?

yeah. I feel like just because he usually maintains a sense of humor while fighting, it might be able for one to deduce that he's a cheery and happy go lucky guy..but he just isn't. The death of Gwen Stacy was one of the significant comics that marked the end of the silver age and brought on a darker take all together. If you know parker......or ben....or kaine...... lol you would know that nothing goes right and you always loose the people close to you and find out your a failure of a clone etc. I could spend weeks going over how the life of peter parker is nothing light hearted. Even in the earlier comics, with the happy go lucky-stan lee, most of them end with him walking off into the night with his head down.

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