And the New Ultimate Spider-Man is.........(SPOILERS)

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#1 Posted by EvLJEsT (138 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by Duo_forbidden (1161 posts) - - Show Bio

WHO???
And good job USA today. Jeez, I should have known better than to think that no one would wait till this Wednesday. 

#3 Posted by EvLJEsT (138 posts) - - Show Bio

This is Ridiculous, I figured it was going to be a person of ethnic background, or even a person of the gay community. I mean wasn't Peter Parker in the upcoming  ASM film rumored to be the black kid from the community. 

#4 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

:/  
 
I was hoping for Scarlet Spider or something

#5 Posted by Agent Buttons (13479 posts) - - Show Bio
@EvLJEsT said:
  I mean wasn't Peter Parker in the upcoming  ASM film rumored to be the black kid from the community?
No.
#6 Posted by Comiclove5 (1258 posts) - - Show Bio

This series/ Reveal + Ultimate Comics X-Men+  the DC Reboot have me excited for September.

#7 Posted by War Killer (20207 posts) - - Show Bio

I like it to be honest, I do find it funny now though since it feels like Marvel's trying to kill two birds with one stone by be able to say now...

Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing what Marvel does with this.
#8 Posted by Aiden Cross (15569 posts) - - Show Bio

Was to be expected.

#9 Posted by EdwardWindsor (14428 posts) - - Show Bio

not being Ben Riley is a stright up bad choice

#10 Posted by Degalon (737 posts) - - Show Bio

And the comic reading world slumped it's shoulders in disappointment... 
 
Does this kid even HAVE a 616 counterpart?  Or is he just a nobody?

#11 Posted by War Killer (20207 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally I'm just trying to figure out why Marvel spoils everything now? O_o Johnny Storm's death, Captain America movie ending, and now the new USM? What's up with letting us be surprised anymore...? <_<

#12 Posted by Aiden Cross (15569 posts) - - Show Bio
@War Killer: Money. "Oh Johnny dies in this issue?! I MUST READ IT!" hence the sale will grow of that particulair issue.
#13 Posted by War Killer (20207 posts) - - Show Bio
@Aiden Cross said:
@War Killer: Money. "Oh Johnny dies in this issue?! I MUST READ IT!" hence the sale will grow of that particulair issue.
Really? You'd think it would hurt sales because people would then think "Oh, well since they spoiled it there's no point in buying the issue now..." instead of letting our curiosity make us want to buy the issue to know if so and so really died like we thought or not.
#14 Posted by Aiden Cross (15569 posts) - - Show Bio
@War Killer: I guess it works two ways, one negative and positive. But it seems the positive outweighs the negative otherwise they would probably change marketing strategies.
#15 Posted by MrUnknown (1700 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Bendis writing him? Let's hope he's doesn't sound like Luke Cage junior.

#16 Posted by SC (13110 posts) - - Show Bio
@War Killer:  It helps sales with the casual casual readers at the expense of the more dedicated readers who were going to buy anyway and/or were looking to be surprised. 
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#17 Posted by Treason (228 posts) - - Show Bio
@MrUnknown said:
Is Bendis writing him? Let's hope he's doesn't sound like Luke Cage junior.
Omfg i hope he does. Marvel needs more characters saying Sweet Christmas 
#18 Posted by Death Certificate (5438 posts) - - Show Bio

I knew it was going to be new character. 
 
Ben riley is a doctor in the Ultimate and aside from the video game, O'hara is hardly refeneced outside of 2099.  

 
#19 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7818 posts) - - Show Bio

I give it two or so years.

#20 Posted by Skaddix (3114 posts) - - Show Bio
@MrUnknown said:
Is Bendis writing him? Let's hope he's doesn't sound like Luke Cage junior.
It should be fine. Bendis writes all his characters in the Avengers the same.
#21 Posted by Duncan (11445 posts) - - Show Bio

Too bad.

#22 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio

I was hoping for an Ultimate Miguel O'Hara. =/

#23 Posted by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio

*straps self into chair and prepares for buffeting waves of continent shaking nerd rage* 
 
BRING IT ON MARVEL! I'm ready for another OMD level fanboy freakout!!!

#24 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

I also was banking on new character, but I thought there would be some relationship to an old character. Like Ben Riley's son or something. Without any connection at all this seems random.

#25 Posted by GundamHeavyarms (701 posts) - - Show Bio

Well, I thought they might do something like this.  A multi-ethnic spider-man.  I like the idea I do, I just hope bendis doesn't turn him into a token, or base his life on stereotypes.

#26 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
I was hoping for an Ultimate Miguel O'Hara. =/
#27 Posted by Izaiah (5199 posts) - - Show Bio

Eh..I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt so far.

#28 Posted by Duncan (11445 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
I was hoping for an Ultimate Miguel O'Hara. =/
#29 Posted by Baddamdog (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm all for a black Spider-Man, I just wished they had picked someone from regular 616 continuity, like Randy Robertson?

#30 Posted by Squares (6565 posts) - - Show Bio

I had no idea we actually needed ANOTHER Ultimate Spiderman.

#31 Edited by jcbart (341 posts) - - Show Bio

I dislike the fact that they've made him black just because, " we knew it had to be a character that represents the diversity—in background and experience—of the twenty-first century" (taken from Marvel.com). As soon as 'diversity' is thrown into the bucket, everyone instantly just palette swaps the character.
Hopefully he won't just be "Peter Parker, but AFRICAN-AMERICAN!" and will be a great, independent character.

#32 Posted by ShoNuffSODS (5 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont understand when people want to see that same old thing. "I want to see ultimate Miguel O'hare!" Why so you can see his name like honestly how many people really read Spider-Man 2099, show of hands? not many thats why it was canceled. Ben Reily has already been established in the ultimate universe, he is not spider-man, oh well. Now i do hope that Miles Morales does have his own independent life away from peters because he needs one i like that marvel is making the ultimate universe different from the main universe, if you want main universe characters read main universe titles, duh. the ultimate universe may every now and then refer to a character in the main universe but there not set in stone to be the exact same person. They killed off most of the X-Men and starting anew i think thats awesome we need more new characters. The main universe has this "habit" of killing people and bring them back from the dead on the X-Men i can count about 10 deaths that arent Jean Grey's (which make since because she the PHOENIX she suppose to come back). So im hype about this new kid as long as he has minimal contact with Parker's old life and has his own story and *gasp* maybe even his own villains!

#33 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio

why couldn't it been an indian Spider-man?

#34 Posted by Dracade102 (8167 posts) - - Show Bio

Italian artist Sara Pichelli, who was integral in designing the new Spider-Man's look, says, "Maybe sooner or later a black or gay — or both — hero will be considered something absolutely normal."

...Has this guy ever been to a High School or South Carolina before?
#35 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4732 posts) - - Show Bio

The new Spider-Man doesn't feel ethnic enough. I think he should have been Kree as well.

#36 Posted by Yumulu (762 posts) - - Show Bio
@sesquipedalophobe said:

The new Spider-Man doesn't feel ethnic enough. I think he should have been Kree as well.

A half-kree half Skrull half-black half-latino hermaphrodite homosexual ?
#37 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4732 posts) - - Show Bio

@Yumulu: At least. Throw in ambidexterity and you have yourself a sale.

#38 Posted by Aqua11500 (2647 posts) - - Show Bio

Aww he's so cute!!!!!!!

#39 Posted by MrUnknown (1700 posts) - - Show Bio
@Treason: He barely even says that anymore though ;(
And some of his lines are plain horrible. Like when he went to Latveria in Secret War and said the black population here just increased by 200%.
That doesn't even make any sense lol.
#40 Posted by gethere (164 posts) - - Show Bio

You know somehow this was just not very surprising, but oh well we still have to read the comic to decide how this turn out good or bad.

#41 Edited by Dernman (15093 posts) - - Show Bio

You want to know how to make a non Peter Parker Spiderman so you can have more diversity without doing something so wrong.
 
Just look at Milstone Comics Static.
 Both were intelligent, nerdy, after a hot girl, wise cracking hero, not so nerdy as older, started in high shcool, the similarities go on and on.
It was even stated he is based on a spiderman type.
 
Static is an awesome character that stands on his own. You don't need to do what marvel is doing.

#42 Posted by SpiderSlayer (34 posts) - - Show Bio

It will be interesting what happens in the story. It allows Bendis to do anything he wants with this character since there is no history. For me it is not who is going to be Spider-but how he became Spider-man and if the story holds up and it is not a gimmic thing.
#43 Posted by Timandm (3374 posts) - - Show Bio

I find I'm disappointed about this new Spider-Man...  But only because we know nothing about him.  I was expecting him to have some sort of connection to Peter Parker...  It's possible they'll write in a connection, but to date we've not heard of this kid before, have we?

#44 Posted by mrmisanthrope (103 posts) - - Show Bio

A black Spider-Man: Sure, it's pointless and ironically racist, but alright.
 Killing off the current one to replace him with a black Spider-Man: EXCUSE ME, WTF ARE YOU DOING? 

Okay, let me explain. Imagine if Peter Parker had died, and they announced another character, completely unknown would take up his mantle, and his name would be I don't know... Jeff Jargon or something. Do you care? Does he feel different, or unique in anyway? Raceswaps state as a matter of course that simply because of his race, he's a different character. That a black Spider-Man couldn't have the exact same personality and upbringing as a white one. 
 
Killing off the existing one and then replacing him with one of another race though, that raises it to a whole other level. It automatically makes the character feel like an "affirmative action" hire. It's essentially stating a black version of the character could not succeed unless the white one was first killed off. There are so many things wrong with this.
 
Anyway, Spider-Man introduced several similar black friends. Nightwatch, Cardiac, Prowler. Spider-Man 2099 covered the Hispanic angle as well, and I liked how with him it wasn't a big deal. HE wasn't replacing anyone, and we only really knew because of his name.
 
This though.. Eh, it's exactly what I expect from Bendis and the Ultimate line in general. Colossus, Wasp, Nick Fury. It's disgusting, incredibly hateful and disgusting, but I'm sure there will always be a loyal audience there to eat the slop and say "I love it!" as it's repeatedly regurgitated back to them, slightly less recognizable with each consumption.

#45 Edited by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio
@mrmisanthrope said: 

A black Spider-Man: Sure, it's pointless and ironically racist, but alright.

 How exactly is it racist? 
 

@mrmisanthrope

said:

Killing off the current one to replace him with a black Spider-Man: EXCUSE ME, WTF ARE YOU DOING?  Okay, let me explain. Imagine if Peter Parker had died, and they announced another character, completely unknown would take up his mantle, and his name would be I don't know... Jeff Jargon or something. Do you care? Does he feel different, or unique in anyway? Raceswaps state as a matter of course that simply because of his race, he's a different character. That a black Spider-Man couldn't have the exact same personality and upbringing as a white one.   Killing off the existing one and then replacing him with one of another race though, that raises it to a whole other level. It automatically makes the character feel like an "affirmative action" hire. It's essentially stating a black version of the character could not succeed unless the white one was first killed off. 

We don't even know this character yet. Why are you assuming he'll be exactly the same except black? In fact, it's better to kill Parker off and have someone new take up the mantle precisely to avoid that. To show that it's NOT the same person. Compare that to just rebooting or doing a new universe version that just happens to be black. This is actually better according to your stated concern.  
 

@mrmisanthrope

said:

There are so many things wrong with this.  Anyway, Spider-Man introduced several similar black friends. Nightwatch, Cardiac, Prowler. Spider-Man 2099 covered the Hispanic angle as well, and I liked how with him it wasn't a big deal. HE wasn't replacing anyone, and we only really knew because of his name.  This though.. Eh, it's exactly what I expect from Bendis and the Ultimate line in general. Colossus, Wasp, Nick Fury. It's disgusting, incredibly hateful and disgusting, but I'm sure there will always be a loyal audience there to eat the slop and say "I love it!" as it's repeatedly regurgitated back to them, slightly less recognizable with each consumption.

I love how you use the "affirmative action" buzzword before immediately listing all the black and Latino characters that "have it covered." It seems like you're the one concerned about quotas. And you accuse the writers of sending the message that "a black version of the character could not succeed unless the white one was first killed off" but then imply that people should be satisfied with only one Latino Spider-Man. So if even they'd let Parker live they'd still be screwing up somehow by making this new character.
 
You say race shouldn't be a big deal but your whole post was about what a big deal it is. You can't have it both ways.
#46 Posted by jerfro23 (97 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought Kitty would be new spiderman some one like that. I find this very nice idea
#47 Posted by Deadcool (6810 posts) - - Show Bio

This was a surprice for me, he is some random dude that I have never seen... 
If that guy was called Miguel O'Hara would be better for me than just a random kid, but I think it could be cool if he meets Spider-woman, I imaginated their first inpresions... 
 

Spider-woman: You are doing it wrong, that is not how I used to do it? 
 Miles Morales: You? Who are you? What are you talking about? 
Spider-woman: Being Spider-man, you are doing it wrong, you should be more responsible, etc, etc, etc...  

 
Or at least that is how I imaginated it...
#48 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

 
I like diverse superheroes 

  • My favorite black superhero is Ambrose Chase which is a member of the Planetary group along with Jakita Wagner which is also of mixed race, since they operate in a cool group and as characters they are awesome people. 
  • My favorite gay superhero would be Midnighter and Apollo since they are badass plus the fact that they are well written into their multi ethnic team (in the Authority swift is asian/avian, and the doctor is a european druggie then there is also the arabian doctor who used to be a suicide bomber)
  • My favorite latin superhero would be Miguel O' Hara (Spiderman 2099), watched the tv show when it aired and he kicked ass
 
I have no problem with diversity but the recent spiderman seems to focus too much on diversity as its primary aspect in comparison to the super-hero, character background should be a secondary element in the story. Like diverse characters are written to blend into the story as to function in the setting, not to stick out like Rudolph the red nose reindeer with their differences as a informed ability. They do have a right to make a character but making him the only one with that much diversity seems like they are trying to put him off as a sideshow freak, hey marvel we already have mutants for that issue. This could make this spiderman remembered as the black/latino/gay dude instead of an awesome hero, honestly as a spiderman fan I don't know but Marvel should get their shit together and at least write him well. We all know controversy makes cash but please do not destroy the image of spiderman for shock value.
#49 Posted by GundamHeavyarms (701 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nerx: You're right, diversity is a good thing, but I don't like it when diversity is forced.  The USA today article called Miles "Half-Black All Hero"  How the hell did that get past editorial?  
 
As a black comic fan, I would like to see more ethnic heroes and villians, I can't stand it when they make a characters race a "thing"  I think Static is a great hero who happens to be black, not a great black hero.  Same goes for John Stewart, Aqualad, and Mr. Terriffic.
 
I think we would all be more okay with this if Bendis had introduced us to Miles before Peter died.  Maybe fixed it so that they were friends or something, and actually began to develop miles into a great character on his own.  This all feels gimmicky and forced. 
#50 Posted by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
@GundamHeavyarms: Yeah , I like diverse characters but now when they are turned into sideshow attractions. I would rather have both peter parker and miles in one comic, like a friend or a cool partner in fighting baddies. He can have is own series even but we need a transition , not just  a random asspul out of nowhere without the fan's approval. 

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