All here in this USA today link , release about 40 min(12:40 am Central time) AGO
http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2011-08-01-black-spider-man_n.htm
Im not shocked, but i hope its good.
Spider-Man
Character » Spider-Man appears in 17243 issues.
Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive spider as a teenager, granting him spider-like powers. After the death of his Uncle Ben, Peter learned that "with great power, comes great responsibility." Swearing to always protect the innocent from harm, Peter Parker became Spider-Man.
And the New Ultimate Spider-Man is.........(SPOILERS)
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WHO???
And good job USA today. Jeez, I should have known better than to think that no one would wait till this Wednesday.
I mean wasn't Peter Parker in the upcoming ASM film rumored to be the black kid from the community?No.
I like it to be honest, I do find it funny now though since it feels like Marvel's trying to kill two birds with one stone by be able to say now...
Personally I'm just trying to figure out why Marvel spoils everything now? O_o Johnny Storm's death, Captain America movie ending, and now the new USM? What's up with letting us be surprised anymore...? <_<
@War Killer: Money. "Oh Johnny dies in this issue?! I MUST READ IT!" hence the sale will grow of that particulair issue.Really? You'd think it would hurt sales because people would then think "Oh, well since they spoiled it there's no point in buying the issue now..." instead of letting our curiosity make us want to buy the issue to know if so and so really died like we thought or not.
I knew it was going to be new character.
Ben riley is a doctor in the Ultimate and aside from the video game, O'hara is hardly refeneced outside of 2099.
Well, I thought they might do something like this. A multi-ethnic spider-man. I like the idea I do, I just hope bendis doesn't turn him into a token, or base his life on stereotypes.
I'm all for a black Spider-Man, I just wished they had picked someone from regular 616 continuity, like Randy Robertson?
I dislike the fact that they've made him black just because, " we knew it had to be a character that represents the diversity—in background and experience—of the twenty-first century" (taken from Marvel.com). As soon as 'diversity' is thrown into the bucket, everyone instantly just palette swaps the character.
Hopefully he won't just be "Peter Parker, but AFRICAN-AMERICAN!" and will be a great, independent character.
I dont understand when people want to see that same old thing. "I want to see ultimate Miguel O'hare!" Why so you can see his name like honestly how many people really read Spider-Man 2099, show of hands? not many thats why it was canceled. Ben Reily has already been established in the ultimate universe, he is not spider-man, oh well. Now i do hope that Miles Morales does have his own independent life away from peters because he needs one i like that marvel is making the ultimate universe different from the main universe, if you want main universe characters read main universe titles, duh. the ultimate universe may every now and then refer to a character in the main universe but there not set in stone to be the exact same person. They killed off most of the X-Men and starting anew i think thats awesome we need more new characters. The main universe has this "habit" of killing people and bring them back from the dead on the X-Men i can count about 10 deaths that arent Jean Grey's (which make since because she the PHOENIX she suppose to come back). So im hype about this new kid as long as he has minimal contact with Parker's old life and has his own story and *gasp* maybe even his own villains!
...Has this guy ever been to a High School or South Carolina before?Italian artist Sara Pichelli, who was integral in designing the new Spider-Man's look, says, "Maybe sooner or later a black or gay — or both — hero will be considered something absolutely normal."
You want to know how to make a non Peter Parker Spiderman so you can have more diversity without doing something so wrong.
Just look at Milstone Comics Static.
Both were intelligent, nerdy, after a hot girl, wise cracking hero, not so nerdy as older, started in high shcool, the similarities go on and on.
It was even stated he is based on a spiderman type.
Static is an awesome character that stands on his own. You don't need to do what marvel is doing.
It will be interesting what happens in the story. It allows Bendis to do anything he wants with this character since there is no history. For me it is not who is going to be Spider-but how he became Spider-man and if the story holds up and it is not a gimmic thing.
A black Spider-Man: Sure, it's pointless and ironically racist, but alright.
Killing off the current one to replace him with a black Spider-Man: EXCUSE ME, WTF ARE YOU DOING?
Okay, let me explain. Imagine if Peter Parker had died, and they announced another character, completely unknown would take up his mantle, and his name would be I don't know... Jeff Jargon or something. Do you care? Does he feel different, or unique in anyway? Raceswaps state as a matter of course that simply because of his race, he's a different character. That a black Spider-Man couldn't have the exact same personality and upbringing as a white one.
Killing off the existing one and then replacing him with one of another race though, that raises it to a whole other level. It automatically makes the character feel like an "affirmative action" hire. It's essentially stating a black version of the character could not succeed unless the white one was first killed off. There are so many things wrong with this.
Anyway, Spider-Man introduced several similar black friends. Nightwatch, Cardiac, Prowler. Spider-Man 2099 covered the Hispanic angle as well, and I liked how with him it wasn't a big deal. HE wasn't replacing anyone, and we only really knew because of his name.
This though.. Eh, it's exactly what I expect from Bendis and the Ultimate line in general. Colossus, Wasp, Nick Fury. It's disgusting, incredibly hateful and disgusting, but I'm sure there will always be a loyal audience there to eat the slop and say "I love it!" as it's repeatedly regurgitated back to them, slightly less recognizable with each consumption.
How exactly is it racist?A black Spider-Man: Sure, it's pointless and ironically racist, but alright.
@mrmisanthrope
said:We don't even know this character yet. Why are you assuming he'll be exactly the same except black? In fact, it's better to kill Parker off and have someone new take up the mantle precisely to avoid that. To show that it's NOT the same person. Compare that to just rebooting or doing a new universe version that just happens to be black. This is actually better according to your stated concern.Killing off the current one to replace him with a black Spider-Man: EXCUSE ME, WTF ARE YOU DOING? Okay, let me explain. Imagine if Peter Parker had died, and they announced another character, completely unknown would take up his mantle, and his name would be I don't know... Jeff Jargon or something. Do you care? Does he feel different, or unique in anyway? Raceswaps state as a matter of course that simply because of his race, he's a different character. That a black Spider-Man couldn't have the exact same personality and upbringing as a white one. Killing off the existing one and then replacing him with one of another race though, that raises it to a whole other level. It automatically makes the character feel like an "affirmative action" hire. It's essentially stating a black version of the character could not succeed unless the white one was first killed off.
@mrmisanthrope
said:I love how you use the "affirmative action" buzzword before immediately listing all the black and Latino characters that "have it covered." It seems like you're the one concerned about quotas. And you accuse the writers of sending the message that "a black version of the character could not succeed unless the white one was first killed off" but then imply that people should be satisfied with only one Latino Spider-Man. So if even they'd let Parker live they'd still be screwing up somehow by making this new character.There are so many things wrong with this. Anyway, Spider-Man introduced several similar black friends. Nightwatch, Cardiac, Prowler. Spider-Man 2099 covered the Hispanic angle as well, and I liked how with him it wasn't a big deal. HE wasn't replacing anyone, and we only really knew because of his name. This though.. Eh, it's exactly what I expect from Bendis and the Ultimate line in general. Colossus, Wasp, Nick Fury. It's disgusting, incredibly hateful and disgusting, but I'm sure there will always be a loyal audience there to eat the slop and say "I love it!" as it's repeatedly regurgitated back to them, slightly less recognizable with each consumption.
You say race shouldn't be a big deal but your whole post was about what a big deal it is. You can't have it both ways.
This was a surprice for me, he is some random dude that I have never seen...
If that guy was called Miguel O'Hara would be better for me than just a random kid, but I think it could be cool if he meets Spider-woman, I imaginated their first inpresions...
Spider-woman: You are doing it wrong, that is not how I used to do it?
Miles Morales: You? Who are you? What are you talking about?
Spider-woman: Being Spider-man, you are doing it wrong, you should be more responsible, etc, etc, etc...
Or at least that is how I imaginated it...
I like diverse superheroes
- My favorite black superhero is Ambrose Chase which is a member of the Planetary group along with Jakita Wagner which is also of mixed race, since they operate in a cool group and as characters they are awesome people.
- My favorite gay superhero would be Midnighter and Apollo since they are badass plus the fact that they are well written into their multi ethnic team (in the Authority swift is asian/avian, and the doctor is a european druggie then there is also the arabian doctor who used to be a suicide bomber)
- My favorite latin superhero would be Miguel O' Hara (Spiderman 2099), watched the tv show when it aired and he kicked ass
I have no problem with diversity but the recent spiderman seems to focus too much on diversity as its primary aspect in comparison to the super-hero, character background should be a secondary element in the story. Like diverse characters are written to blend into the story as to function in the setting, not to stick out like Rudolph the red nose reindeer with their differences as a informed ability. They do have a right to make a character but making him the only one with that much diversity seems like they are trying to put him off as a sideshow freak, hey marvel we already have mutants for that issue. This could make this spiderman remembered as the black/latino/gay dude instead of an awesome hero, honestly as a spiderman fan I don't know but Marvel should get their shit together and at least write him well. We all know controversy makes cash but please do not destroy the image of spiderman for shock value.
As a black comic fan, I would like to see more ethnic heroes and villians, I can't stand it when they make a characters race a "thing" I think Static is a great hero who happens to be black, not a great black hero. Same goes for John Stewart, Aqualad, and Mr. Terriffic.
I think we would all be more okay with this if Bendis had introduced us to Miles before Peter died. Maybe fixed it so that they were friends or something, and actually began to develop miles into a great character on his own. This all feels gimmicky and forced.
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