How fast can Flash and Superman Run
It's already been established that all of the Flashes can move past light-speed via the Speed Force. As for Superman, he's never shown to move at light-speed while running. This should answer your question, though. This scan was taken from Flash v2, #220.
" In the "Human Race" storyline, Flash was able to beat an intergalactic teleporter from the far side of the galaxy to Earth with a little help from the planet's running population. "This storyline is of particular relevance because of the starting context. That is, god-like aliens declare that the Earth will be destroyed unless its champion wins the race. Even if we believe Superman is humble and holds back, that would be no time to do so... the Earth, unanimously, voted Flash to represent them in the race. That means, at least as far as the heroes of planet Earth are concerned, there's no one better suited to represent them in a challenge of speed for the fate of the whole planet.
As far as the "speed lending" from across the universe, Wally didn't discover that until mid-race after his opponent confessed that was how he was able to keep up with Flash. So when Earth decided Flash was the fastest, it wasn't with that secret weapon in mind, that revelation came later in the story.
In terms of running, the most recent example is of Barry blowing Supes out of the water in Rebirth #4 (Johns having written Flash for years but also writing Secret Origin and heavily involved in Superman's post-IC relaunch). Wally "raced" Superman in Flash #209 (although it was more of a conversation). Jay raced Superman in DC First Superman / Flash (one-shot) where he was just as fast but low on endurance so he used the "speed steal" technique to be faster than Superman. Then there's the not so oft quoted Superman vol 2 #191 where Superman gets super-speed training from Wally but is blown away repeatedly in terms of speed.
In a race in the desert, Flash is so fast he goes to the city to get them a case of bottled water, runs back to the finish line, and draws his logo in the dirt before Superman can catch up.
Versus flying speed it is far more ambiguous because apparently the writers shy away from the topic. Nonetheless we do have two data points. In JLA vol 3 #21, Superman explicitly states, "I'm not faster than light--!" (for the purpose of a partially in atmosphere flying rescue), Wally is about to volunteer saying "I can--" (in that he is faster than light) but the issue is resolved by Flash using his speed-lending power. This was written by Mark Waid... a man who adores Superman having written some of the most iconic Superman stories (Kingdom Come, Birthright) and he's certainly an Flash expert having written Wally for years... so if in Waid's opinion Flash is faster than Superman, even flying, I think it's reasonable to defer to him.
Granted, there is one blurb where someone else talking about Superman claims he flies FTL in space (and there are a handful of comics where he just appears places and we presume FTL although there is no on-panel mention)... I would still tend to consider Waid a better authority, but even then you can reconcile the two by adding atmosphere to the equation. In modern continuity there are several references to the fact that Superman does NOT have an aura like the Flashes... so traveling through the atmosphere rips it up (sonic booms and the like)... he uses this to explode a boat in South America. This is consistent with the time Superman flew to the middle east to catch Lois after she was shot. There is no way he would hold back in that situation, but his clocked speed was nowhere near light speed... so if we must reconcile we can say Superman won't use FTL in atmosphere.
The second data point is when Morrison said the same thing (yet another authority on both Superman and Flash- a man who wrote All Star Superman at the epitome of his power and who cemented Superman with a 853 century long legacy in DC One Million... but he also wrote Flash for a while both in his book and JLA, and gave Wally some of his greatest feats) so again, I would defer to the experts actually writing the books.
In sum, though fan oft like to debate it... it would seem the issue is settled in the minds of Johns, Waid, Morrison, etc.
" It's already been established that all of the Flashes can move past light-speed via the Speed Force. As for Superman, he's never shown to move at light-speed while running. This should answer your question, though. This scan was taken from Flash v2, #220.A small correction... that is from Flash v2 # 209. Issue 220 is when the Rogue War begins as a capstone to the first run at the Flash by Johns.
Flash can run faster then the speed of light, he just lets superman think he has a chance
he has broken the light barrier AND reality barrier
and i dont know if this is FTL speed but once he evacuated a couple million people 30 miles away in 0.01 microseconds....you guys can figure that out.
superman is faster then lightning running wise i believe so their you go answer solved good day to you sir lol.
This is the Superman scan Mainline mentions above saying that Superman must restrict his airspeed in atmosphere:
" This is the Superman scan Mainline mentions above saying that Superman must restrict his airspeed in atmosphere:where is this from?
" @Demas said:Superman v2 #217 (July 2005)" This is the Superman scan Mainline mentions above saying that Superman must restrict his airspeed in atmosphere:where is this from? "
This seems to be slowly turning into a Flash vs Superman thread.
Hes just asking for numbers guys.
@Static Shock said:
It's already been established that all of the Flashes can move past light-speed via the Speed Force. As for Superman, he's never shown to move at light-speed while running. This should answer your question, though. This scan was taken from Flash v2, #220.Great scan sir. Thanks
There is no exact figure but wally is capable of traveling beyond the speed of light. Also to touch a bit by how much faster he is than superman, during his fight with zoom they had circled the globe many times over and had been moving so fast that it seemed that time had not even passed, wally noted how no one could help him as they were essentially statues, this included superman.
I remember of a movie where Superman travels faster that light, in space near Earth, and goes back in time.
There is a good explanation in reddit:
This is not a comic, but it is still Superman.
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