How fast can Flash and Superman Run

#1 Posted by nam42589 (12 posts) - - Show Bio

I know superman can go at least Mach 4, Which is 4 times the speed of sound(4 * 330 = 1320 meters / second)
1320 m/s = 2953 mph 
 
 
 
Can Flash run faster than the speed of light, which is (3 00000000 meters / second)? 
 speed of light in mph =  671 080 888 mph
#2 Posted by El Bread (24 posts) - - Show Bio

According to  his stats in Marvel vs DC, they just say he runs near light speed.  Everyone knows the Flash is faster, but its a fun debate every time

#3 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, both can easily go past the speed of light. 

#4 Edited by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

It's already been established that all of the Flashes can move past light-speed via the Speed Force. As for Superman, he's never shown to move at light-speed while running. This should answer your question, though. This scan was taken from Flash v2, #220.
 

 Flash states that Superman is moving at over 2000 miles/sec, which is also over 120,000 miles/minute, and also 7,200,000 mph. That's Mach 9350. I believe this is that fastest that I've seen Superman move under the Earth's atmosphere. He can, however, break light speed in the vacuum of outer space.


 

#5 Posted by G'bandit (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash's MAIN and only power is Super Speed  so he is bound to be faster  
 
But I guess Clark is somewhat close

#6 Posted by Sexy Merc (42072 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really think Superman is close to Flash running wise.
#7 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1659 posts) - - Show Bio

In the "Human Race" storyline, Flash was able to beat an intergalactic teleporter from the far side of the galaxy to Earth with a little help from the planet's running population.

#8 Posted by Kaioken Kid (29 posts) - - Show Bio

As far as I know, Flash is faster. I only ever seen that episode of justice leauge where they have that big race, and as far as I know, Flash was holding back when he raced superman, and even then he was beating superman.
#9 Posted by Ultimate JSA (2840 posts) - - Show Bio

The Flash can break the space-time/continum
#10 Posted by Mainline (1129 posts) - - Show Bio
@MrMiracle77 said:
" In the "Human Race" storyline, Flash was able to beat an intergalactic teleporter from the far side of the galaxy to Earth with a little help from the planet's running population. "
This storyline is of particular relevance because of the starting context.  That is, god-like aliens declare that the Earth will be destroyed unless its champion wins the race.  Even if we believe Superman is humble and holds back, that would be no time to do so... the Earth, unanimously, voted Flash to represent them in the race.  That means, at least as far as the heroes of planet Earth are concerned, there's no one better suited to represent them in a challenge of speed for the fate of the whole planet. 
 
As far as the "speed lending" from across the universe, Wally didn't discover that until mid-race after his opponent confessed that was how he was able to keep up with Flash.  So when Earth decided Flash was the fastest, it wasn't with that secret weapon in mind, that revelation came later in the story. 
 
In terms of running, the most recent example is of Barry blowing Supes out of the water in Rebirth #4 (Johns having written Flash for years but also writing Secret Origin and heavily involved in Superman's post-IC relaunch).  Wally "raced" Superman in Flash #209 (although it was more of a conversation).  Jay raced Superman in DC First Superman / Flash (one-shot) where he was just as fast but low on endurance so he used the "speed steal" technique to be faster than Superman.  Then there's the not so oft quoted Superman vol 2 #191 where Superman gets super-speed training from Wally but is blown away repeatedly in terms of speed. 
 

In a race in the desert, Flash is so fast he goes to the city to get them a case of bottled water, runs back to the finish line, and draws his logo in the dirt before Superman can catch up. 
 
Versus flying speed it is far more ambiguous because apparently the writers shy away from the topic.  Nonetheless we do have two data points.  In JLA vol 3 #21, Superman explicitly states, "I'm not faster than light--!" (for the purpose of a partially in atmosphere flying rescue), Wally is about to volunteer saying "I can--" (in that he is faster than light) but the issue is resolved by Flash using his speed-lending power.  This was written by Mark Waid... a man who adores Superman having written some of the most iconic Superman stories (Kingdom Come, Birthright) and he's certainly an Flash expert having written Wally for years... so if in Waid's opinion Flash is faster than Superman, even flying, I think it's reasonable to defer to him. 
 
Granted, there is one blurb where someone else talking about Superman claims he flies FTL in space (and there are a handful of comics where he just appears places and we presume FTL although there is no on-panel mention)... I would still tend to consider Waid a better authority, but even then you can reconcile the two by adding atmosphere to the equation.  In modern continuity there are several references to the fact that Superman does NOT have an aura like the Flashes... so traveling through the atmosphere rips it up (sonic booms and the like)... he uses this to explode a boat in South America.  This is consistent with the time Superman flew to the middle east to catch Lois after she was shot.  There is no way he would hold back in that situation, but his clocked speed was nowhere near light speed... so if we must reconcile we can say Superman won't use FTL in atmosphere. 
 
The second data point is when Morrison said the same thing (yet another authority on both Superman and Flash- a man who wrote All Star Superman at the epitome of his power and who cemented Superman with a 853 century long legacy in DC One Million... but he also wrote Flash for a while both in his book and JLA, and gave Wally some of his greatest feats) so again, I would defer to the experts actually writing the books. 
 
In sum, though fan oft like to debate it... it would seem the issue is settled in the minds of Johns, Waid, Morrison, etc.
#11 Posted by Mainline (1129 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" It's already been established that all of the Flashes can move past light-speed via the Speed Force. As for Superman, he's never shown to move at light-speed while running. This should answer your question, though. This scan was taken from Flash v2, #220.
 

 Flash states that Superman is moving at over 2000 miles/sec, which is also over 120,000 miles/minute, and also 7,200,000 mph. That's Mach 9350. I believe this is that fastest that I've seen Superman move under the Earth's atmosphere. He can, however, break light speed in the vacuum of outer space.
  "
A small correction... that is from Flash v2 # 209.  Issue 220 is when the Rogue War begins as a capstone to the first run at the Flash by Johns.
#12 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mainline: Thanks, buddy.
#13 Posted by Theworldbreaker (1642 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash can run faster then the speed of light, he just lets superman think he has a chance 
 
he has broken the light barrier AND reality barrier 
and i dont know if this is FTL speed but once he evacuated a couple million people 30 miles away in 0.01 microseconds....you guys can figure that out. 
superman is faster then lightning running wise i believe so their you go answer solved good day to you sir lol.
#14 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally can effortlessly out run Superman's heat vision and that is when they where already circling the globe seconds at a time  

#15 Posted by FadeToBlackBolt (23334 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mainline: And we have ourselves a Flash expert, you good sir, are going to come in handy :)
#16 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by U R Sofa King We Todd Did (1124 posts) - - Show Bio
#18 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

The Flash is faster than Superman, EVERYONE knows that.

#19 Posted by Valtot (4502 posts) - - Show Bio
@mr.obvious:

just wally and barry
#20 Posted by Demas (209 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by TheFlash2Fast (2 posts) - - Show Bio
#22 Posted by TheFlash2Fast (2 posts) - - Show Bio
@U R Sofa King We Todd Did: superman is in another planet not on earth so he is faster
#23 Posted by Kallarkz (3303 posts) - - Show Bio

This seems to be slowly turning into a Flash vs Superman thread. 
Hes just asking for numbers guys. 
@Static Shock
said:

It's already been established that all of the Flashes can move past light-speed via the Speed Force. As for Superman, he's never shown to move at light-speed while running. This should answer your question, though. This scan was taken from Flash v2, #220.
 

 Flash states that Superman is moving at over 2000 miles/sec, which is also over 120,000 miles/minute, and also 7,200,000 mph. That's Mach 9350. I believe this is that fastest that I've seen Superman move under the Earth's atmosphere. He can, however, break light speed in the vacuum of outer space.
 
Great scan sir. Thanks
#24 Posted by Supremegreen798 (22 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait,If flash goes FTL doesn't he join speed force,or am I thinking of someone else.

#25 Posted by InfiniteMassPunch (120 posts) - - Show Bio

There is no exact figure but wally is capable of traveling beyond the speed of light. Also to touch a bit by how much faster he is than superman, during his fight with zoom they had circled the globe many times over and had been moving so fast that it seemed that time had not even passed, wally noted how no one could help him as they were essentially statues, this included superman.

#26 Posted by Russcovito (117 posts) - - Show Bio

I know that the DCU does not explain physics, but is there an explanation about how Flash manage to go FTL ? Cuz' according to my physics lessons, nobody/nothing can outrun Speed of Light if it has any mass.

#27 Posted by Noone301994 (4232 posts) - - Show Bio

Mach 881,022.4 is the speed of light. In MPH that's 670,616,629

#28 Posted by trell0323 (16 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#29 Posted by masbicudo (1 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by Teddyx (1 posts) - - Show Bio

Well lets not forget the fact that when flash and superman was racing flash was never beeing serious and allways kept in tact with superman. Allso lets not forget the episode where flash actually ran so fast that he stopped existing.

#31 Posted by Odinsonnn (308 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by Ashraf_Ali (3 posts) - - Show Bio

@nam42589: you are mistaken the speed of light is 299,792,458 meters per second

#34 Posted by wallywestings (5 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure how fast superman can go, but at one point in vol. 1 of Barry's run as Flash, he measured that he could go 10x the speed of light. That being said, I'm not sure if that fact remained continuous throughout the DC universe or not.

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