Taking It Too Far: Nudity In A Comic

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Posted by inferiorego (25613 posts) - - Show Bio

 Yes, this looks child friendly.

ABC4 reported that In Layton, Utah, a ten year old boy (Sheldyn Conley) received a couple of comic books from what seems to be his mother for Easter. One of which is the comic you see to your right, The Spectre #9. Inside the pages, the young boy found two panels of a woman on a bed naked, and he handed the comic off to a grown-up. Said grown-up handed the comic back to Sheldyn's mother, Linda Hurst, and took the comic to ABC4. ABC4 had a call-to-arms and had all the comics removed from the local Dollar Tree, where Linda Hurst originally purchased them. Linda bought more than one of these packages of two books, which boasted on the cover:

 All comic books inserted in the "Superhero Comic Book Spectacular" are family friendly and will bring hours of enjoyable reading.

The other package she purchased had no questionable material on the inside. Dollar Tree was appalled, when it was brought to their attention, and they removed ALL of the comics for sale. 
 
As much as I want to get uppity, nerd-style, about the content of this book by just screaming out, "It's the Spectre! Of course there will be questionable material in it!" I won't. (Even though I just did) Let's find out who really is to blame in this situation: EVERYONE. This is almost turning into another episode of ComicVine Court.
== TEASER ==
 
The Company That Packaged The Comics:
Letting the consumer know that all the comics contained within the packaging is "family friendly" is false advertising. Obviously, this issue was not family friendly. This issue of The Spectre not only contains nudity, but I'm pretty sure this book is violent as well. How can you sell this if you don’t understand the contents? If they packaged the comics, the fault falls almost entirely on them.
 
Sheldyn Conley:
That's right. It's the kid's fault too. A ten year old found a pair of boobs, and yet he runs off to show an adult. I thought nudity was something sacred to a ten year old boy. You find it, and you never tell anyone about it, except maybe your buddies. The fact this kid brought this book to an adult probably puts a collective facepalm on the faces of all the men reading this out there. It’s nudity, not pornography. These are two separate things. Best part was that he got angry about it.

“I seen the naked lady and I got mad.” 

 

Linda Hurst:  
She took a drawing of a naked woman to the press. Really? It’s not only that, but you see the cover of this book. If you watch the video, you can see that quite a bit of this is covered up, except for the dark figure holding the scythe. Mrs. Hurst complained about the violence within this book, as well as the bare breasts. If you want to protect your kids from the cruel elements of humanity, that’s fine. You’re the parent, but if you’re buying a comic with what looks like the Grim Reaper on the cover, you should have enough common sense to know, “this is going to be violent.” If you’re worried about exposing your kid to violence and sex, don’t buy a comic with death on the cover.

ABC4:  
This isn’t news. “Lady Finds Comic With Nudity.” Maybe it’s because we’re all within the world of comics, and we understand that there is a separation between comics for kids and comics for adults, while many outsiders don’t see the separation. They just think comics as “kiddie books.” But this simply isn’t worthwhile news. (Yet, I report on it) Are they going to report on covering up classic works of art next because a bare breast is showing in it? That’s what this is about: Art.

Who’s not to blame? Anyone involved in the making or publishing of this comic book. You can’t be mad with a comic that was created 22 years ago because you just discovered it. It’s not topical and the book comes from a different time and a different culture. If you don’t want to expose your kids to the “bad things” in this world, then monitor what they see. Go through the book yourself, and then make the judgment to whether or not the book is “ok” for your son or daughter. Don’t be lazy about it. Open that plastic bag and scan the book yourself.

And why is no one talking about the actual content, aside from the violence and nudity, in this book? The Spectre’s book makes this point over and over, “You will be punished for your sins.” Bad things happen to those who do bad. There’s a good lesson in there… and a breast or two. I’ll leave you with another quote from the original report from ABC4 that sums up this entire debacle. During the filming of the news segment, the mother, Linda Hurst, refused to be on camera:

She didn't feel comfortable being on camera but said, “It really embarrassed me because I’d given it to a 10 year old boy.”

Are you embarrassed because you bought a comic for your son and he saw a cartoon breast, or that this event was taken way too far? 
 
~Mat "InferiorEgo" Elfring is a teacher, comedian, comic book writer, comic store employee, and annoyed with the news"

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#1 Edited by MysterioMaximus (931 posts) - - Show Bio

Only in America would the naked body in entertainment be shocking newsworthy material. 
 

Someone should send them Hentai with our condolences.    

#2 Posted by danhimself (22578 posts) - - Show Bio

PREACH ON BROTHER!!!!   I blame the mother.  Just looking at the cover I can tell that's not a book for a 10 year old.

#3 Posted by Red L.A.M.P. (2828 posts) - - Show Bio

My first comic... I was 10... it had a naked lady in it too.  I did not show it to an adult.  Smart! 

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#4 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

The mother didn't take 5 seconds to flip through the comics before handing them to the kid. The fact that she thinks this is a huge deal just places all the blame even more squarely on her shoulders. Why do parents love to blame everyone in the world but themselves? The people who packaged it may have been wrong to put "family friendly" on the packaging, but come on. The reality is that she bought these things at a Dollar Tree. That packaging might not even have originally belonged to that product, ffs.

#5 Posted by Moomin123 (2205 posts) - - Show Bio

Nudity in comics isn't bad. It hardly ever occurs and besides, mostly grown up comics have nudity. The only strange thing is Dr. Manhattan. 
 

Dude, put some god damn clothes on!!!
#6 Edited by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

That kid sucks at Ten I would keep it ...... under my mattress preferably *wink wink*

#7 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
@Moomin123 said:
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Nudity in comics isn't bad. It hardly ever occurs and besides, mostly grown up comics have nudity. The only strange thing is Dr. Manhattan. 
 

"
You need to start reading independent comics
#8 Posted by MysterioMaximus (931 posts) - - Show Bio
@Moomin123 said:
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Nudity in comics isn't bad. It hardly ever occurs and besides, mostly grown up comics have nudity. The only strange thing is Dr. Manhattan. 
 

Dude, put some god damn clothes on!!!
"

What's strange about it? What's strange to me is why effectively a god would wear human clothing. Makes perfect sense to me. The way I interpreted what you said is kind of homophobic. It's a nude guy, so it's strange. If it were a female, there's be no strangeness, eh?  
#9 Edited by Curleyman182155 (14 posts) - - Show Bio

Im going to blame the american society for this one. I mean a pair of naked breasts, WHO CARES. Maybe its just the way I was raised but to me its no big deal. Dont get me wrong I love boobs as much as the next guy, but seeing them isn't that big a deal, especially when its a f*cking drawing. So "normal" americans and their over reactive ways are to blame for this one. 

#10 Posted by Dro (941 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, speaking of covering classic art, a local town had a permanent display of a collection of work by a dead artist in the town hall (publicly displayed).Maybe 2 of the paintings contained nudity. So, of course, someone complained, and the story even made the six o'clock news. In other words, what you thought was a relatively absurd statement actually occurred..
 
Here's the URL, you'll have to copy and paste since I can't post links for some reason.
 
 http://www.wfsb.com/news/22923006/detail.html

#11 Posted by Dro (941 posts) - - Show Bio

Americans' aversion to nudity dates back to the puritans. they hated anything fun, exciting, or enjoyable. They probably would've banned sex, were it not necessary for their continued existence. Obviously, nudity was out.

#12 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7840 posts) - - Show Bio

The blue dong aside, just another case of a so called news station overblowing a so called news story because they can't be bothered to set out a decent argument like inferiorego.

#13 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
@Curley said:
" So "normal" americans and their over reactive ways are to blame for this one.  "
These people are not "normal" Americans. A "normal" American 10-year-old boy would not have brought this to an adult's attention, as has been pointed out by several Americans who were 10-year-old boys at one point. Most "normal" American mothers would also not have taken this to the local news station. Your stereotyping is hilariously stupid.
#14 Posted by inferiorego (25613 posts) - - Show Bio
@Omega Ray Jay said:

" The blue dong aside, just another case of a so called news station overblowing a so called news story because they can't be bothered to set out a decent argument like inferiorego. "

Thank you! Sadly, this article made me physically mad. I'm still trying to calm down. LOL
 
@Korg said:

" @Curley said:

" So "normal" americans and their over reactive ways are to blame for this one.  "
These people are not "normal" Americans. A "normal" American 10-year-old boy would not have brought this to an adult's attention, as has been pointed out by several Americans who were 10-year-old boys at one point. Most "normal" American mothers would also not have taken this to the local news station."
Exactly, as I put it in the article: "You find it, and you never tell anyone about it, except maybe your buddies. The fact this kid brought this book to an adult probably puts a collective facepalm on the faces of all the men reading this out there." He's not normal at all.
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#15 Edited by MysterioMaximus (931 posts) - - Show Bio
@Curley said:

"Im going to blame the american society for this one. I mean a pair of naked breasts, WHO CARES. Maybe its just the way I was raised but to me its no big deal. Dont get me wrong I love boobs as much as the next guy, but seeing them isn't that big a deal, especially when its a fucking drawing. So "normal" americans and their over reactive ways are to blame for this one.  "


Totally! What's to blame is the narrow puritan ways the country was founded upon, hence the contemporary social stigma that nudity is something to be ashamed of. Like said, there’s an underlying difference between pornography and nudity.  I’m not saying “Hey kids, be a nudist,” I’m just saying…we don’t come into the world in a three-piece suit. What's the big deal?     

 It also stems out of the majorities generalization of comics being a medium entirely for children. We’re starting to break out of that stereotype now, but even today you’ll come across the occasional “That’s kids stuff” dismisses. I know my mother’s side of the family is downright embarrassed of my interest and eventual hopes of getting into the comic book industry, believing it’s all just immature.    

#16 Posted by DevilmanEX (617 posts) - - Show Bio

Man that kid is a horrible 10 year old.......REALLY....EPIC FAIL SHELDYN! I hope all the kids at your school pick on you weirdo.... Hey I was around 10 the first time I saw Total Recall with my pops.  For all of you that have seen it, the three breasted prostitute scene was particularly interesting to a ten year old.  I remember thinking an array of thoughts,"wtf......IS THAT REAL?!......haven't decided if I like it or not........ahh forget it, BOOBS!..........do they come like that and I just haven't seen a set of three yet?....I wonder what my dad thinks.....BOOBS..... this movie is awesome!.........THREE BOOBS!!!"  At no point during that scene did I want to go run to tell my mom my dad put a movie on with a three breasted lady who is letting a cab driver fondle them.  That was the furthest thing from my head even when my dad laughed at how uncomfortable I looked trying to figure it out while he was there.  It's a damn shame when kids don't know how to be kids anymore. 
 
p.s.  I also remember the first time I went to rent anime from blockbuster.  I had to be around the same age and the cashier told me I wasn't allowed to rent the anime vhs I picked out without my parent present.  I went back to the car told my mom and she came in to talk to the clerk.  He told her it may have nudity in it and she laughed.  She said first there is nothing wrong with seeing the female or male body in the nude as long as its not pornographic (I don't think she knew hentai existed but blockbuster doesn't or didn't carry that anyway).  Second.......ITS ANIMATED LOL!  Its a drawing, its really not that serious.  From that point on they didn't really bother me in blockbuster.   I'm pretty sure my mom had good points since I really never viewed the naked body as something shameful or even got aroused when I watched the two shower or changing scenes that was always present in all 80's and 90's anime.  
 
I guess my conclusion is........what the f*** was that kid thinking!?  I guess he was thinking,"I wanted to see men in tights doing split kicks....I ain't sign up for all this!"  Man its a damn shame when kids prevent themselves from being kids....

#17 Posted by RubyShadesp3 (61 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't you love political correctness? Has this lady ever seen what costumed heroes wear or how their assets are majorly enhanced in most books? Spandex and latex don't leave much to the imagination. Or how about Clooney and O'Donnell's nipple suits from Batman and Robin? 
If seeing the lady nude made him mad then I can only hope that it isn't the start of a complex against females that could seriously do some damage when he gets older.

#18 Edited by Dro (941 posts) - - Show Bio

I guess I can understand why people might think most americans are exhibitionists, what with chat roulette and all.
 
EDIT: And octo-mom, and Jon & Kate Plus Eight, and Supernanny, and Wife Swap, 16 and Pregnant, and...oh, just too many things to count.

#19 Posted by the_fallen11 (636 posts) - - Show Bio

Sometimes ya just gotta be naked.

#20 Posted by Marius138 (90 posts) - - Show Bio

OMG!  I need to get contact ABC4 right away.  I went to this art museum not long ago and there were these horrible paintings with naked women there.

#21 Posted by inferiorego (25613 posts) - - Show Bio
@Marius138 said:
" OMG!  I need to get contact ABC4 right away.  I went to this art museum not long ago and there were these horrible paintings with naked women there. "
I once opened a Playboy Magazine and saw a naked woman in there.... Call for me too!
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#22 Posted by The Jeff (290 posts) - - Show Bio
@MysterioMaximus:  I'll buy them some if you cover the shipping
#23 Posted by MysterioMaximus (931 posts) - - Show Bio
@Marius138 said:
"OMG!  I need to get contact ABC4 right away.  I went to this art museum not long ago and there were these horrible paintings with naked women there. "

I took a shower today...and got naked...ABC4 NOW!!!
#24 Posted by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

The Dollar Tree is appalled and ready to get serious
about censorship for your protection.

#25 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29501 posts) - - Show Bio
@MysterioMaximus said:
" Only in America would the naked body in entertainment be shocking newsworthy material. 
 

Someone should send them Hentai with our condolences.    

"
LMFAO
#26 Posted by discoDan (2 posts) - - Show Bio

I live fairly close to the town in question.  It's the Mormon Culture that is the reason there was an uproar.  It has everything to do with the religious belief that sex is sacred, should be between a married couple, and that any form of pornography is a violation of both.  If you look at the situation in the context of people just adhering to their beliefs, then it is a big deal to that culture.  I personally feel that it's important to respect a person's beliefs, regardless of them being 'Puritan'-esque. 

#27 Edited by lostlantern13 (860 posts) - - Show Bio

Nailed it. 
 
Blame the parent for not actually checking out what she bought her child and for the mega-overreaction.  
 
Blame the boy for not reacting like, well, a boy.  
 
However, something that hasn't gotten play: It's Utah. Mormon state. Strict morals. It's not surprising that it happened in Utah.

#28 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

you pointed out everything there is to say IE  
 
angry comedian + stupid people = great article!

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#29 Posted by Sexy Merc (42076 posts) - - Show Bio

What the hell's the matter with American moms?

#30 Posted by Walker696 (984 posts) - - Show Bio

See this is really starting to piss me off, I've been a pre-k teacher for 3 yrs and parents are really messing up their kids. Case in point I had a kid who went around telling other kids that he was going to kill them ( keep in mind he was 3 at the time), his mother claimed that she had no idea where he got it from. To find out he owns every real life spider-man movie, every X-men movie, Daredevil, Blade, and they took him to go see Wolverine Origins. Now my fellow geeks tell me are any of those movies for kids under the age of 8 (yet alone 3) without a lot of conversation and explanation from parents. The biggest issue was the fact that the lady wanted to blame the movies for her kid and not just own up up to it and admit she shouldn't have taken him to see them. Now we get this A**hole lady and her dumba** son messing with our books too. The woman was lazy and stupid for not reading through the books, the boy was stupid for telling (I know it's weird to hear a teacher say that, but not every bad thing need to get reported, this article is a good reason why), the news station for making such a big deal about it (with all that's happening in the world you can't tell me their day was that slow that this even made it on the air), and yea the company for not marketing their products right. Between stupid/lazy parents who want to blame their mistakes on the world and greedy companies who try to make everything family friendly (seriously a Wolverine movie with hardly any blood, I still want my money back), the next generation is gonna be more messed up then Robert Reynolds......................seriously who gets mad after seeing a naked woman.......its a sign of the times..............

#31 Posted by RoninKane (80 posts) - - Show Bio

I blame the mother, she already has a shakey dicision making history, she did name her son "Sheldyn". Nuff said!    
#32 Posted by Vance Astro (91261 posts) - - Show Bio

They should tell you before they put stuff like that in comics.At the very least.I wouldn't mind a little nudity in comics as long as it was well drawn..which it never is.

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#33 Posted by Bathory1313 (521 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the first thing that caught my eye is this... it's in Utah... so are they Mormon? That explains a lot doesn't it ?  Nothing against Mormons but my understanding is that they are a little harsh when it comes to these things.. maybe I'm a just a Mormon Moron who knows? HA!

#34 Posted by Chibi-Iroh (388 posts) - - Show Bio

You know what upon looking at the cover of the comic book she should have known that she may have needed to inspect it first. Thats just pure stupidity on her part.

#35 Posted by IronSpidy-Rooney (356 posts) - - Show Bio

I think nudity in comics is okay as long as its used in a proper way 
For example If a certain hero is removing his/her costume and we just happen to see a nipple or the lower area it seems okay 
but two or more people getting hot and heavy on a bed, flat, or vertical surface in more ways than one with everything in clear view is not okay  
But comics has gotten more violent and political over the last few decades so maybe just maybe we might get some suttle nudity like I said at the start in a comic or two 
By the way FOR PETES SAKE SHELDYN 
And on a final note somebody should go and do something really horrible to the media like start an anti-media to blow out of proportion anything they do and target the ones who do blow things out of proportion see how they like it HA HA HA

#36 Edited by cmaprice (809 posts) - - Show Bio

Poor labeling; stupid mother.
 
The latter trumps the prior.
 
Though I do wonder what would happen if the kid were exposed to, let's say, a Botticelli in a museum. Would she be outraged since museums encourage families to visit?
 
Also, it seems that in buying any superhero comic, she's fine with her kid seeing all different levels of violence, but not the female form. All too frighteningly common.

#37 Posted by Dro (941 posts) - - Show Bio

When I was probably about 10 my mom gave me a book on sex and told me to read it. There was nudity and sex and such in it, but it was a sex ed book. I just don't see how people blow nudity and sex out of proportion as a taboo so much. it's how you end up with uninformed and awkward teenagers and adults who don't know the first thing.
 
Reminds me of a story about a couple who just couldn't have a child. They saw a counselor, who figured out the problem immediately. The two were...using the wrong door, if you know what I mean.

#38 Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio

Really great article, Mat

#39 Posted by Edamame (28193 posts) - - Show Bio
@the_fallen11 said:
" Sometimes ya just gotta be naked. "
lol
#40 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm naked right now

#41 Posted by Dro (941 posts) - - Show Bio

I can get naked really fast

#42 Posted by Vance Astro (91261 posts) - - Show Bio
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" I'm naked right now "
@Dro said:
" I can get naked really fast "
PINK FLAG
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#43 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio

iti s good the ten year old was appalled. 

#44 Posted by Edamame (28193 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh, boy.

#45 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15258 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" I'm naked right now "
@Dro said:
" I can get naked really fast "
PINK FLAG "
You know you wanna get in this
#46 Posted by Edamame (28193 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dro said:
" I can get naked really fast "
lol
#47 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

Ugh, I'm sick to death of outraged parents who are too bone idle to check out material before palming it off onto their kids.  She gave him a comic with a grizzly image of DEATH on the cover!  That doesn't scream 'holy superheroics'.  That screams stupid parents.

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#48 Posted by inferiorego (25613 posts) - - Show Bio
@Babs said:
" Really great article, Mat "
So great you want to eat a KFC Double Down?
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#49 Posted by Jack the Ripper (2225 posts) - - Show Bio

well if seeing women naked makes him mad, at least we can hope that means this is one family line that will be ending soon (either that or serial killer)

#50 Posted by Nova`Prime` (4165 posts) - - Show Bio
@inferiorego:  This kid probably doesn't have any friends to show it too.

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