Why did Spawn fall in popularity? Can it ever be regained?

#1 Edited by Captain13 (3034 posts) - - Show Bio

In the 90s, Spawn was outselling Superman, had his own cartoon, and had his own movie. What happened? Can he ever regain his popularity? Should he be rebooted to be more or less hardcore? Should he be modernized? Can he be modernized?

#2 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

He was a fad of the 90's like ridiculous muscles, guns and pockets on super-heroes. I don't think he'll ever really be as popular as he was back then.

#3 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29332 posts) - - Show Bio

The stories got really, really convoluted from what I heard. And I guess he just isn't in style right now. Image feels like a company trapped in the 90s. Not that that's always a bad thing. Haunt has been fantastic, but idk if it has 90s syndrome :P

#4 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio

Probably because Todd McFarlane is a total douche.

#5 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29332 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" Probably because Todd McFarlane is a total douche. "
What did he do?
#6 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" Probably because Todd McFarlane is a total douche. "
What did he do? "
I've heard he's just a total ass in person as far as his personality goes, also look at his suit with Neil Gaiman over Marvelman
#7 Posted by King Saturn (222845 posts) - - Show Bio
I dont know if Spawn will ever be like it was... 
#8 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" Probably because Todd McFarlane is a total douche. "
QFT
#9 Posted by theiconic (924 posts) - - Show Bio

mc'todds a  doucher....spawn was sooo bad asss 

#10 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the fans should reclaim Spawn and save him.  
 
I heard they're gonna make another movie soon. 
 
He was such a badass. I miss Spawn =(

#11 Posted by Vance Astro (90727 posts) - - Show Bio

He's too powerful.

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#12 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29332 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:
" I think the fans should reclaim Spawn and save him.   I heard they're gonna make another movie soon.  He was such a badass. I miss Spawn =( "
Yeah, Todd says he's writing/directing the new movie. Apparently it's not a reboot, but just a "stand alone story" or what have you.
#13 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gambit1024 said:
" I think the fans should reclaim Spawn and save him.   I heard they're gonna make another movie soon.  He was such a badass. I miss Spawn =( "
Yeah, Todd says he's writing/directing the new movie. Apparently it's not a reboot, but just a "stand alone story" or what have you. "
Yup. Not only that but I hear it's scary as hell too. Maybe this could boost up his popularity a little bit. 
#14 Posted by Sexy Merc (42065 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think there will be a comeback anytime soon unless he gets a series with an already famous character in Image or cross-company, along with positive reception.

#15 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29332 posts) - - Show Bio
@Gambit1024 said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gambit1024 said:
" I think the fans should reclaim Spawn and save him.   I heard they're gonna make another movie soon.  He was such a badass. I miss Spawn =( "
Yeah, Todd says he's writing/directing the new movie. Apparently it's not a reboot, but just a "stand alone story" or what have you. "
Yup. Not only that but I hear it's scary as hell too. Maybe this could boost up his popularity a little bit.  "
Really? A movie about Spawn, that's SCARY? FINALLY. xD I hope Violator does that thing from the HBO show where, instead of shape shifting, he literally rips out of skins.
#16 Posted by Sexy Merc (42065 posts) - - Show Bio

There was a Spawn movie in the past, but it wasn't that good in my opinion.

#17 Posted by Gambit1024 (9890 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gambit1024 said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @Gambit1024 said:
" I think the fans should reclaim Spawn and save him.   I heard they're gonna make another movie soon.  He was such a badass. I miss Spawn =( "
Yeah, Todd says he's writing/directing the new movie. Apparently it's not a reboot, but just a "stand alone story" or what have you. "
Yup. Not only that but I hear it's scary as hell too. Maybe this could boost up his popularity a little bit.  "
Really? A movie about Spawn, that's SCARY? FINALLY. xD I hope Violator does that thing from the HBO show where, instead of shape shifting, he literally rips out of skins. "
Totally! With today's special effects, I think Spawn can be totally doable on film. And you KNOW it's gonna be in 3D *rolls eyes*
#18 Posted by Mediant (329 posts) - - Show Bio

 http://www.comicvine.com/spawn/29-3381/whatever-happened-to-spawn/92-534850/#18
 
@Winfield said:

" I think Spawns popularity was mainly driven by McFarlane and Image's popularity.  McFarlane's own popularity faded as he put out less work in comics. I'd say his credibility was also damaged by his collection of balls and the ongoing fiasco with Gaiman.  Image's popularity decreased because they were very closely linked to the speculators boom and subsequent bust of the 90s.  There is also the stigma of being an artists company while everyone else was beginning to really focus on writing. With creator and company going off the boil, and the industry as a whole shrinking Spawn faded into relative obscurity. "

#19 Posted by Captain13 (3034 posts) - - Show Bio

So I'm still wondering what the fans want to see to make him popular again.

#20 Posted by longbowhunter (5867 posts) - - Show Bio

A friend of mine used to be a BIG Spawn fan. In his opinion the comic should have ended at #100. I think every character has redeeming qualities. In the right hands Spawn could be on the top of his game again. Stranger things have happened.
#21 Edited by I'maDC/ImageGuy! (1648 posts) - - Show Bio

Comic book spectator market and fans of marvel comic artist were the reason of his popularity. Most fans of his work were preteen to young adults who though blood and guns were mature story telling. Parents and adults bought issue one thinking it'll be worth a lot of money only to realize it wasn't worth anything. Too be quite honest Neil Giaman wrote a fantastic issue crossover with Cerberus and independent comics vs mainstream Marvel/DC. Spawn it self was okay I only read spawn origins collection and don't plan on reading it after that. Spawns problem is that once he solves a problem he just goes back to his alley and cries about Wanda.

#22 Posted by avengpymhawk (368 posts) - - Show Bio

I know I stopped reading and collecting Spawn for two reasons. The first was that this was always an art driven title, and not so much a plot driven one. I never knew or truly cared for any of the characters. And the second reason, which sadly is still true for all Image titles today even it being 18 years later, and that is constantly coming out late.
#23 Posted by hdorman1 (4662 posts) - - Show Bio

well al simmons died cos the burnt out his story completely  
so they got a new spawn  
its horrible tbh

#24 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5284 posts) - - Show Bio

Spawn was cool back then.

#25 Posted by stikfigureman2d (53 posts) - - Show Bio

i think because he never progressed completely, he always ended up again in the alleyways

#26 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio

Mcfarlane's been talking about getting Spawn's popularity up with the new movie and animation, but he keeps delaying it, because he's Todd Mcfarlane, that's what he does.

#27 Posted by Mediant (329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Captain13 said:
" So I'm still wondering what the fans want to see to make him popular again. "
To make him popular you need to consult the people who aren't fans of him. I agree that Simmons's repeated returns to brooding in the alleys is annoying, they finally started working away from that around #100.
 
Personally, I'm still a fan of Spawn. The only thing hindering me is trying to catch up with the current issues. It's extremely costly since you have to buy them individually rather than in collected editions past (I think) #116. I'm not sure what things are like with the new Spawn host, but I think the one of the biggest things holding down the series is Al Simmons's character.
#28 Posted by Captain13 (3034 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mediant said:
" @Captain13 said:
" So I'm still wondering what the fans want to see to make him popular again. "
To make him popular you need to consult the people who aren't fans of him. 
Good point. lol 
 
@Mediant said:
I'm not sure what things are like with the new Spawn host, but I think the one of the biggest things holding down the series is Al Simmons's character. "
What do you mean by that? Is he too broody, vengeful, or violent? Is he not heroic enough? Do you think he should be rebooted to get back to basics or do you think a good writer can get back to the essence of the character without a reboot like what Geoff Johns did for GL and Flash?
#29 Edited by Mediant (329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Captain13: Simmons, since the beginning of the series, has been extremely emotional. He is totally blinded by his anger and so is manipulated with very little effort. For the first half of the series at least, Al is stuck in this really annoying cycle: Some one pushes his buttons; He is manipulated into rash action; His bad choices cause him not to progress in any sense; He pouts in alleys about his situation, but learns nothing from it. Then the cycle start all over.
The character is so single minded that he never makes any headway. He never gets over his hang ups. He never learns from his mistakes. His revelations are few and far between and even when he gains them it only seems to serve to make him even more despondent over his situation. Simmons just swings between ineffectual self-pity and rage fueled recklessness.
Admittedly, I'm not caught up to where things are now and I know he does eventually go through some changes, but that cycle exists for at least the first 90 issues. That's a long time.
 
I think they just need to get the series back to a new(ish) Hellspawn.
#30 Posted by Captain13 (3034 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mediant said:

" @Captain13: Simmons, since the beginning of the series, has been extremely emotional. He is totally blinded by his anger and so is manipulated with very little effort. For the first half of the series at least, Al is stuck in this really annoying cycle: Some one pushes his buttons; He is manipulated into rash action; His bad choices cause him not to progress in any sense; He pouts in alleys about his situation, but learns nothing from it. Then the cycle start all over. The character is so single minded that he never makes any headway. He never gets over his hang ups. He never learns from his mistakes. His revelations are few and far between and even when he gains them it only seems to serve to make him even more despondent over his situation. Simmons just swings between ineffectual self-pity and rage fueled recklessness.Admittedly, I'm not caught up to where things are now and I know he does eventually go through some changes, but that cycle exists for at least the first 90 issues. That's a long time.  I think they just need to get the series back to a new(ish) Hellspawn. "

 Good points. Thanks for your post. =)
#31 Posted by I'maDC/ImageGuy! (1648 posts) - - Show Bio

Spawn has some good ideas it's not well excicuted by someone who can write except Neil Gaiman. Wanda has moved on without him so why can't he, he was a ruler of hell yet he hasn't done anything with that amount of power. Al Simmons a good guy and Todd thinks making him a bogeyman is a good idea.  umm...Why?

#32 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8641 posts) - - Show Bio

Spawn started off well, ended in an epic fashion with the Divine Spawn arc. After that the series went downhill. As to if he could get there. problem is after the Divine Spawn arc. There was no reason to continue the story. It was so final in it's execution that it basically meant the end of the Spawn verse.
 
And image has awesome stuff. Not all of it is good. But some of the stuff they put out is pure win

#33 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" Spawn started off well, ended in an epic fashion with the Divine Spawn arc. After that the series went downhill. As to if he could get there. problem is after the Divine Spawn arc. There was no reason to continue the story. It was so final in it's execution that it basically meant the end of the Spawn verse. And image has awesome stuff. Not all of it is good. But some of the stuff they put out is pure win "
That pretty much sums it up.
#34 Posted by bigalow (112 posts) - - Show Bio

 The problem was the beyond epic storylines and the fact that all he ever did was sit in an ally and brood and cry like a bitch about wanda,also the stories were very sacreligious which turned off some readers.
#35 Posted by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative said:
" @Crom-Cruach said:
" Spawn started off well, ended in an epic fashion with the Divine Spawn arc. After that the series went downhill. As to if he could get there. problem is after the Divine Spawn arc. There was no reason to continue the story. It was so final in it's execution that it basically meant the end of the Spawn verse. And image has awesome stuff. Not all of it is good. But some of the stuff they put out is pure win "
That pretty much sums it up. "
Yeah, which is probably why Al ended his life soon after that. I know most people are all like "I would hate it if my favorite characters were killed off permanently," but with Spawn it worked. I loved it when Al ended it. The story had its ups and downs, but he was done, which was cool. I'm still a fan of Spawn, and I like what's goin' on with Jim Downing (the new Spawn), and I'm still buying the issues as they come out simply because the nature of the story seems to have turned more into a street-level/noir like thing, which is something I'm really into. 
 
All and all, I'm still a fan of Spawn. I like where the series is going. I recommend the Endgame arc to people looking for a story that sorta has that vibe. As for most people "growing out" of Spawn, the only real explanation I can give is people were into it for the sake of being into it. 90's character and all. 
 
@bigalow said:
" also the stories were very sacreligious which turned off some readers. "
Oh, that was also probably a big part of it. I got sorta upset when the story started out one way and then flipped over when they tried to explain how God and Satan were brothers and Jesus/Man of Miracles is God's son and his mom at the same time. Still a good story, ignoring some of the wonky things, but definitely a turn off.
#36 Posted by Larkin1388 (1760 posts) - - Show Bio

I would love to see spawn regain its popularity. I was always a fan. I believe its possible but not likely. Although i would very much like to see it.

#37 Posted by dementedtheclown (747 posts) - - Show Bio

Its Cause He's Black

#38 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio
@PrinceIMC said:
" He was a fad of the 90's like ridiculous muscles, guns and pockets on super-heroes. I don't think he'll ever really be as popular as he was back then. "

#39 Posted by rasx (242 posts) - - Show Bio
@Captain13:
Bring back Al Simons as Spawn and I'll buy the book again. That new guy is so boring, I replaced Spawn with the Darkness, months ago.
#40 Posted by Mediant (329 posts) - - Show Bio
@dementedtheclown: lol wow...
#41 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mediant said:
" @dementedtheclown: lol wow... "
Actually, alot of characters from Image are like that. Spawn, Chapel, Shadowhawk. All the same.
#42 Posted by IrishX (2259 posts) - - Show Bio

My first thought was that the character never deserved the popularity to begin with...

#43 Posted by Mediant (329 posts) - - Show Bio
@IrishX: Heretic!
#44 Posted by dj_tony (6 posts) - - Show Bio

Spawn was pretty sweet... but  I think i liked the books with sam and twitch in them the best.. They Rock!!!!!!

#45 Posted by Primmaster64 (21137 posts) - - Show Bio
@NexusOfLight: Yes it is...
#46 Posted by NXH (1031 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone recommend a good jumping on point for the Spawn comic? 
I've already some of the first few issues or so and watched the HBO show.

#47 Posted by lorex (928 posts) - - Show Bio

I havent followed Spawn for some time but I remenber when early on he killed a child killer with popsicle sticks and the little rhyme 
 "Boys screamed and girls screamed. So I made him scream and scream and scream..."   That was great. I think where Spawn 
went wrong was the creator McFarlane was not involved and was more into the business and as the stories went on they became 
more convoluted and interest dies off. I stopped reading Spawn years ago partly, for that reason.

#48 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@lorex said:
" I havent followed Spawn for some time but I remenber when early on he killed a child killer with popsicle sticks and the little rhyme   "Boys screamed and girls screamed. So I made him scream and scream and scream..."   That was great. I think where Spawn  went wrong was the creator McFarlane was not involved and was more into the business and as the stories went on they became  more convoluted and interest dies off. I stopped reading Spawn years ago partly, for that reason. "
Todd Mcfarlane's wife was editing the book until that issue with the child killer, then she left the comic because she was disgusted by it.

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