I was reading through some of the old, first few Spawn issues and I remember the part where Spawn tries to change back into his human form, and he has a serious problem with being white. He'd even rather be a scarred and burned walking corpse than be white. I don't know abbout you, but I think that is pretty damn racist.
Spawn (Simmons)
Character » Spawn (Simmons) appears in 1430 issues.
A highly trained assassin, murdered by his employer and former friend Chapel. Albert ''Al'' Francis Simmons sold his soul to Malebolgia, one of the many rulers of the Hell, in order to see his wife Wanda Blake again. Malebolgia had other things in mind for Al and sent him back to earth with no memory as a Hellspawn, one of his soldiers, to do his bidding. After realizing what he had lost, Al swore revenge, and became the vigilante known as Spawn.
Is Spawn Racist?
todd macfarlen is white genius. spawn just wants to be himself again. im sure you couldnt change back to your original state youd be pretty pissed off too.
" todd macfarlen is white genius. spawn just wants to be himself again. im sure you couldnt change back to your original state youd be pretty pissed off too. "But Spawn would rather be a rotting corpse than white.
put yourself in al simmons' situation: You wake up in an alleyway wearing a superhero suit from hell, your life is fucked, your wife is married with a kid, and you come to find out you made a deal with the devil, you'd lose it. and then to add insult to injury, he cant turn back to the way he's used to looking. A black man. Hence the "nooooo im a BLACK man!"
I think it was mostly surprise. If I suddenly became white I would have a similar reaction. I think it was mostly the shock of him looking totally different from himself when he used his magic to look human rather than him being racist. You want a black racist, read about the supreme power Nighthawk.
@Hi I'm New said:
" I think it was mostly surprise. If I suddenly became white I would have a similar reaction. I think it was mostly the shock of him looking totally different from himself when he used his magic to look human rather than him being rascist. "Truth
I'm sure if he was white originally and kept turning into a black or Asian man he wouldn't be too happy about it.
" There's only one human race. Pass it along. "more like one human species with multiple different races.
" @Formidable said:Of course. There are a myriad of pigments, even different ethnic groups have varied pigmentation. But there is only one human race. Is he a colorist or pigmentist or ethnist would be a more accurate question." There's only one human race. "With a variation of skin color. Amirite? "
Being that there is only one human race would mean a "racist" hated or had disdain for or prejudice of all of humanity in it's entirety.
No. There aren't multiple races there is only one race: the human race." @Formidable said:
" There's only one human race. Pass it along. "more like one human species with multiple different races. "
We are of course referring to humanity. There are of course different species of animal." @Formidable : then what about dogs and cats "
why not cat race and dog race?
Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable." @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "
" @Formidable : I'm still going to call people who hate cats and dogs racist "Call them whatever erroneous nomenclature you wish to. My belief is that it will not be the first nor last occasion for you to do so.
" @thegreatfour said:I have no clue what that means." @Formidable : I'm still going to call people who hate cats and dogs racist "Call them whatever erroneous nomenclature you wish to. My belief is that it will not be the first nor last occasion for you to do so. "
" @Formidable said:My thoughts are that this is neither the first nor the last occasion for this occurence either." @thegreatfour said:I have no clue what that means. "" @Formidable : I'm still going to call people who hate cats and dogs racist "Call them whatever erroneous nomenclature you wish to. My belief is that it will not be the first nor last occasion for you to do so. "
Yep, I remember that issue. Gotta say, I'd have a similar reaction. I'm pretty sure everyone here would have the same reaction too, or at least some variant of it. Does that make everyone racist, too?
Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll?" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "
" @Formidable : is it correct? "is what correct? My belief that this will be neither the first nor the last time that you will not have a clue of what something means or is my statement correct definition-wise?
The former I would say it is quite likely correct given the existing evidence and the latter is definitely correct and can be corroborated quite easily with any standard dictionary.
" @Formidable : is it correct to call a person who hates cats or dogs or any other animal(including us) a racist? "I have already stated whether that was correct and alluded to that fact as well. I cannot control your ability, or lack thereof, to infer.
" @InnerVenom123 said:Nope, but I assure you, the irony was dripping off the page.Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll? "" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "
" @NightFang said:" @InnerVenom123 said:Nope, but I assure you, the irony was dripping off the page. "Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll? "" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "
" @NightFang said:the second I saw spawn turn him black I knew exactly what was about to happen. I'll post the scans in the morning." @InnerVenom123 said:Nope, but I assure you, the irony was dripping off the page. "Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll? "" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "
" @thegreatfour said:its not exactly that I don't believe you but can you back this up?Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable. "" @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "
" @InnerVenom123 said:" @NightFang said:" @InnerVenom123 said:Nope, but I assure you, the irony was dripping off the page. "Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll? "" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "
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it's things like this that make spawn my favorite :3
" @Formidable said:
its not exactly that I don't believe you but can you back this up." @thegreatfour said:
Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable. "" @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-skulls-that-prove-we-all-came-from-africa-457844.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070509161829.htm
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1885586220070718
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans
http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html
The references are quite numerous and this has been common knowledge for many years. There are libraries filled with things you may not exactly (want to) believe.
" @thegreatfour said:Humanity is a species, races are sub-species, just like there are multiple sub-species of dog or cat... each of the four races are physically, biologically and genetically different from each other, so to say that Australoids, Caucasians, Mongoloids and Negroids are identical is erroneous as they are clearly not... but that does not mean that one race is superior or inferior to any of the others... it just means that they are different.Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable. "" @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "
There are no sub-species of human there is only one human species/race. I never stated that we were identical and your comment is actually what is erroneous. Caucasoid is the proper nomenclature as well. Our differences are from adapting to different environments after migrating from africa (where we all originated). There is only one human race/species. Period.All else is pseudo-science attempting to misinform and try to convince us that we are somehow different races with different origins, which is a fallacy." @Formidable said:
Humanity is a species, races are sub-species, just like there are multiple sub-species of dog or cat... each of the four races are physically, biologically and genetically different from each other, so to say that Australoids, Caucasians, Mongoloids and Negroids are identical is erroneous as they are clearly not... but that does not mean that one race is superior or inferior to any of the others... it just means that they are different. "" @thegreatfour said:
Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable. "" @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "
Dogs are simply wolves that were bred for different traits.
Also Interbreeding species results in a sterile hybrid, which is not the case with humans because we are not different species, we are all one species, homosapien.
Fixed.
The is one human species... but there are four main races which are proven to be genetically, physically and biologically different...
You say that our differences come from adapting to different environments (evolution) - but then you say that this is misinformation and are therefore contradicting yourself."Our differences are from adapting to different environments after migrating from africa" - "pseudo-science attempting to misinform and try to convince us that we are somehow different races with different origins"
"Species" is not the same as "race" - a race is merely a classification of groups of the species which have evolved over time.
" @Formidable :
The is one human species... but there are four main races which are proven to be genetically, physically and biologically different...You say that our differences come from adapting to different environments (evolution) - but then you say that this is misinformation and are therefore contradicting yourself. "Species" is not the same as "race" - a race is merely a classification of groups of the species which have evolved over time. ""Our differences are from adapting to different environments after migrating from africa" - "pseudo-science attempting to misinform and try to convince us that we are somehow different races with different origins"
Germans are genetically and physically and biologically different from Irish. This does not make them a different race or species or sub-species.
No. I am stating that the misinformation is that we are a sub-species. I did not contradict myself, you simply did not read what i typed carefully enough or did not infer my meaning. That is an error on your part and not mine. Adaptation to environment is not is not evolution. Race is a sociological term which psuedo-scientists use to try to use to act as if we are divergent sub species.
You stated we were sub-species just as dogs and cats were. This is false. Dogs are simply wolves that have been bred for certain characteristics and can still breed without creating sterile offspring. Cats, when interbreeding species, create sterile offspring just as all species do when they inter-breed.
i thought that at first when i first picked up the collected editions but i think Al just took extreme pride in his own body and that mixed with the fear of not being recognised by his wife and all the other crap going on made him act a little over the top. if i remember right he got over and changed into the white form in order to check up on Wanda
I was in error, differing sub-species can interbreed successfully but different species cannot. With that said we are neither different sub-species nor a different species, we are all homosapien." @Formidable : hmmm. Do you mean like the Bengal Tiger and Siberian Tiger are subspecies and can't breed (an example) or do you mean Tigers and Lions are subspecies? "
Germans are genetically and physically and biologically different from Irish. This does not make them a different race or species or sub-species. No. I am stating that the misinformation is that we are a sub-species. I did not contradict myself, you simply did not read what i typed carefully enough or did not infer my meaning. That is an error on your part and not mine. Adaptation to environment is not is not evolution. Race is a sociological term which psuedo-scientists use to try to use to act as if we are divergent sub species. You stated we were sub-species just as dogs and cats were. This is false. Dogs are simply wolves that have been bred for certain characteristics and can still breed without creating sterile offspring. Cats, when interbreeding sub-species, create sterile offspring just as all sub-species do when they breed. Even more scientific proof that we are not, as you erroneously stated, several sub-species. "Germans and Irish are a cultural group which is a sub-catagory of race... while there is a slight difference between German and Irish, there is a larger difference between races.
Even if the races are not sub-species - they are a sub-catagory within the species and that is what they are described as by scientists. The human species seperated into groups and then spent millions of years evolving to adapting to the environment... they did not become a different species, but they are different nonetheless.
There are just as many genetic differences between irish and germans as there are irish and arab people. Youre wrong." @Formidable said:
Germans are genetically and physically and biologically different from Irish. This does not make them a different race or species or sub-species. No. I am stating that the misinformation is that we are a sub-species. I did not contradict myself, you simply did not read what i typed carefully enough or did not infer my meaning. That is an error on your part and not mine. Adaptation to environment is not is not evolution. Race is a sociological term which psuedo-scientists use to try to use to act as if we are divergent sub species. You stated we were sub-species just as dogs and cats were. This is false. Dogs are simply wolves that have been bred for certain characteristics and can still breed without creating sterile offspring. Cats, when interbreeding sub-species, create sterile offspring just as all sub-species do when they breed. Even more scientific proof that we are not, as you erroneously stated, several sub-species. "Germans and Irish are a cultural group which is a sub-catagory of race... while there is a slight difference between German and Irish, there is a larger difference between races. Even if the races are not sub-species - they are a sub-catagory within the species and that is what they are described as by scientists. The human species seperated into groups and then spent millions of years evolving to adapting to the environment... they did not become a different species, but they are different nonetheless. "
They are not a sub-category either, we are all homosapien. Bigoted scientists have been trying to convince people for years that we are a different scientific classification. This is false. The human species did not separate into different groups. We migrated from the african continent some 55,000 years ago (not millions) after about 200,000= years of living on the african continent and adapted rapidly to our environment. Genetic evidence confirms this. See link below or refer to the several links in my prior post for said evidence.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-skulls-that-prove-we-all-came-from-africa-457844.html
No-one evolved in those 55,000 years as we are all still homosapiens.Of course we are different as we adapted to our environment but none of us have evolved into anything and all of us remain as i have stated, homosapiens. Period.
" @Formidable : little off topic but wouldn't have been awesome to have evolved into a different species or sub-species. Well at least if it were something cool like you could blend in with your surroundings or had really good eyesight. "We have all sorts of beneficial mutations (adaptations) derived from environment and necessity that surpass either of those. Now mutating to be able to fly or turn to organic steel, that would be cool.
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