Is Spawn Racist?

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Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio

I was reading through some of the old, first few Spawn issues and I remember the part where Spawn tries to change back into his human form, and he has a serious problem with being white. He'd even rather be a scarred and burned walking corpse than be white. I don't  know abbout you, but I think that is pretty damn racist.

Spawn
Seriously. He'd rather be dead than be white. That's really pushing it. Anyone else think of this?
#1 Posted by Mediant (329 posts) - - Show Bio

Cite issues. 
Simmons could be racist. *shrug*

#2 Posted by DarthT0n3h (21 posts) - - Show Bio

todd macfarlen is white genius. spawn just wants to be himself again. im sure you couldnt change back to your original state youd be pretty pissed off too.

#3 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@DarthT0n3h said:
" todd macfarlen is white genius. spawn just wants to be himself again. im sure you couldnt change back to your original state youd be pretty pissed off too. "
But Spawn would rather be a rotting corpse than white.
#4 Posted by DarthT0n3h (21 posts) - - Show Bio

put yourself in al simmons' situation: You wake up in an alleyway wearing a superhero suit from hell, your life is fucked, your wife is married with a kid, and you come to find out you made a deal with the devil, you'd lose it. and then to add insult to injury, he cant turn back to the way he's used to looking. A black man. Hence the "nooooo im a BLACK man!"

#5 Edited by Hi I'm New (300 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it was mostly surprise. If I suddenly became white I would have a similar reaction. I think it was mostly the shock of him looking totally different from  himself when he used his magic to look human rather than him being racist. You want a black racist, read about the supreme power Nighthawk. 

#6 Posted by batman_is_god (1185 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative:
I think it's him wanting to be himself. If i came back blonde, I would be pissed.
#7 Posted by McJawsh (91 posts) - - Show Bio

 @Hi I'm New said:

" I think it was mostly surprise. If I suddenly became white I would have a similar reaction. I think it was mostly the shock of him looking totally different from  himself when he used his magic to look human rather than him being rascist. "
Truth
 
I'm sure if he was white originally and kept turning into a black or Asian man he wouldn't be too happy about it.
#8 Edited by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio

There's only one human race. Pass it along.

#9 Posted by McJawsh (91 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable said:
" There's only one human race. "
With a variation of skin color.  Amirite?
#10 Posted by Hi I'm New (300 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable said:
" There's only one human race. Pass it along. "
more like one human species with multiple different races.
#11 Posted by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@McJawsh said:
" @Formidable said:
" There's only one human race. "
With a variation of skin color.  Amirite? "
Of course. There are a myriad of pigments, even different ethnic groups have varied pigmentation. But there is only one human race. Is he a colorist or pigmentist or ethnist would be a more accurate question. 
 
Being that there is only one human race would mean a "racist" hated or had disdain for or prejudice of all of humanity in it's entirety.
#12 Edited by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hi I'm New said:

" @Formidable said:

" There's only one human race. Pass it along. "
more like one human species with multiple different races. "
No. There aren't multiple races there is only one race: the human race.
#13 Posted by thegreatfour (12967 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable : then what about dogs and cats
#14 Edited by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@thegreatfour said:

" @Formidable : then what about dogs and cats "

We are of course referring to humanity. There are of course different species of animal.
#15 Posted by thegreatfour (12967 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species
why not cat race and dog race?
#16 Posted by NightFang (9990 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, once you go black you never want to go back!

#17 Edited by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@thegreatfour said:

" @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "

Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable.
#18 Posted by thegreatfour (12967 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable : I'm still going to call people who hate cats and dogs racist
#19 Edited by G'bandit (13689 posts) - - Show Bio

 
 
:P

#20 Posted by ReverseNegative (2729 posts) - - Show Bio
@G'bandit said:
"    :P "
LOL
#21 Posted by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@thegreatfour said:
" @Formidable : I'm still going to call people who hate cats and dogs racist "
Call them whatever erroneous nomenclature you wish to. My belief is that it will not be the first nor last occasion for you to do so.
#22 Posted by thegreatfour (12967 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @Formidable : I'm still going to call people who hate cats and dogs racist "
Call them whatever erroneous nomenclature you wish to. My belief is that it will not be the first nor last occasion for you to do so. "
I have no clue what that means.
#23 Posted by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@thegreatfour said:
" @Formidable said:
" @thegreatfour said:
" @Formidable : I'm still going to call people who hate cats and dogs racist "
Call them whatever erroneous nomenclature you wish to. My belief is that it will not be the first nor last occasion for you to do so. "
I have no clue what that means. "
My thoughts are that this is neither the first nor the last occasion for this occurence either.
#24 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio

Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him.

#25 Posted by thegreatfour (12967 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable : is it correct?
#26 Posted by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - - Show Bio

Yep, I remember that issue. Gotta say, I'd have a similar reaction. I'm pretty sure everyone here would have the same reaction too, or at least some variant of it. Does that make everyone racist, too?

#27 Edited by NightFang (9990 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:

" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "

Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll?
#28 Posted by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@thegreatfour said:
" @Formidable : is it correct? "
is what correct? My belief that this will be neither the first nor the last time that you will not have a clue of what something means or is my statement correct definition-wise?
 
The former I would say it is quite likely correct given the existing evidence and the latter is definitely correct and can be corroborated quite easily with any standard dictionary.
#29 Posted by thegreatfour (12967 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable : is it correct to call a person who hates cats or dogs or any other animal(including us) a racist?
#30 Posted by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@thegreatfour said:
" @Formidable : is it correct to call a person who hates cats or dogs or any other animal(including us) a racist? "
I have already stated whether that was correct and alluded to that fact as well. I cannot control your ability, or lack thereof, to infer.
#31 Posted by InnerVenom123 (29499 posts) - - Show Bio
@NightFang said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:

" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "

Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll? "
Nope, but I assure you, the irony was dripping off the page.
#32 Posted by NexusOfLight (1715 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @NightFang said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:

" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "

Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll? "
Nope, but I assure you, the irony was dripping off the page. "



#33 Posted by Primmaster64 (21138 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable said:
" There's only one human race. Pass it along. "
Amen brother
#34 Posted by Hi I'm New (300 posts) - - Show Bio
@InnerVenom123 said:
" @NightFang said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:

" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "

Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll? "
Nope, but I assure you, the irony was dripping off the page. "
the second I saw spawn turn him black I knew exactly what was about to happen. I'll post the scans in the morning. 
#35 Posted by Hi I'm New (300 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable said:
" @thegreatfour said:

" @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "

Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable. "
its not exactly that I don't believe you but can you back this up?
#36 Posted by DarthT0n3h (21 posts) - - Show Bio
@NexusOfLight said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:
" @NightFang said:
" @InnerVenom123 said:

" Then again, Spawn once turned a white klan leader black and let his own men hang him. "

Lol!!!!, do you have any scenes of this because it sounds funny as H*ll? "
Nope, but I assure you, the irony was dripping off the page. "

 

 

 
"

it's things like this that make spawn my favorite :3
#37 Edited by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hi I'm New said:

" @Formidable said:

" @thegreatfour said:

" @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "

Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable. "
its not exactly that I don't believe you but can you back this up.
 
 

 
 

 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-skulls-that-prove-we-all-came-from-africa-457844.html
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070509161829.htm 
  http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1885586220070718 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans 
  http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html  
 
The references are quite numerous and this has been common knowledge for many years. There are libraries filled with things you may not exactly (want to) believe.
#38 Posted by Hunter114 (829 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable said:
" @thegreatfour said:

" @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "

Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable. "
Humanity is a species, races are sub-species, just like there are multiple sub-species of dog or cat... each of the four races are physically, biologically and genetically different from each other, so to say that Australoids, Caucasians, Mongoloids and Negroids are identical is erroneous as they are clearly not... but that does not mean that one race is superior or inferior to any of the others... it just means that they are different.
#39 Edited by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hunter114 said:

" @Formidable said:

" @thegreatfour said:

" @Formidable : then how come we say the human race which refers to us being on species why not cat race and dog race? "

Because some bigot scientist tried to convince humanity that we are actually different sub-species (races). We are not. Everyones genetic lineage can be scientifically traced back to the african continent and that fact is documented and quantifiable. "
Humanity is a species, races are sub-species, just like there are multiple sub-species of dog or cat... each of the four races are physically, biologically and genetically different from each other, so to say that Australoids, Caucasians, Mongoloids and Negroids are identical is erroneous as they are clearly not... but that does not mean that one race is superior or inferior to any of the others... it just means that they are different. "
There are no sub-species of human there is only one human species/race. I never stated that we were identical and your comment is actually what is erroneous. Caucasoid is the proper nomenclature as well. Our differences are from adapting to different environments after migrating from africa (where we all originated). There is only one human race/species. Period.All else is pseudo-science attempting to misinform and try to convince us that we are somehow different races with different origins, which is a fallacy.
 
Dogs are simply wolves that were bred for different traits.
 
Also Interbreeding species results in a sterile hybrid, which is not the case with humans because we are not  different species, we are all one species, homosapien.
 
Fixed.
#40 Posted by Hunter114 (829 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable :
The is one human species... but there are four main races which are proven to be genetically, physically and biologically different...

"Our differences are from adapting to different environments after migrating from africa" - "pseudo-science attempting to misinform and try to convince us that we are somehow different races with different origins" 

You say that our differences come from adapting to different environments (evolution) - but then you say that this is misinformation and are therefore contradicting yourself.
 
"Species" is not the same as "race" - a race is merely a classification of groups of the species which have evolved over time.
#41 Edited by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hunter114 said:

" @Formidable :
The is one human species... but there are four main races which are proven to be genetically, physically and biologically different...

"Our differences are from adapting to different environments after migrating from africa" - "pseudo-science attempting to misinform and try to convince us that we are somehow different races with different origins" 

You say that our differences come from adapting to different environments (evolution) - but then you say that this is misinformation and are therefore contradicting yourself.  "Species" is not the same as "race" - a race is merely a classification of groups of the species which have evolved over time. "
 
 Germans are genetically and physically and biologically different from Irish. This does not make them a different race or species or sub-species.
 
No. I am stating that the misinformation is that we are a sub-species. I did not contradict myself, you simply did not read what i typed carefully enough or did not infer my meaning. That is an error on your part and not mine. Adaptation to environment is not is not evolution. Race is a sociological term which psuedo-scientists use to try to use to act as if we are divergent sub species.
 
You stated we were sub-species just as dogs and cats were. This is false. Dogs are simply wolves that have been bred for certain characteristics and can still breed without creating sterile offspring. Cats, when interbreeding species, create sterile offspring just as all species do when they inter-breed.
#42 Posted by thegreatfour (12967 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable : hmmm. Do you mean like the Bengal Tiger and Siberian Tiger are subspecies and can't breed (an example) or do you mean Tigers and Lions are subspecies?
#43 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13011 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReverseNegative:
i thought that at first when i first picked up the collected editions but i think Al just took extreme pride in his own body and that mixed with the fear of not being recognised by his wife and all the other crap going on made him act a little over the top. if i remember right he got over and changed into the white form in order to check up on Wanda
#44 Edited by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@thegreatfour said:

" @Formidable : hmmm. Do you mean like the Bengal Tiger and Siberian Tiger are subspecies and can't breed (an example) or do you mean Tigers and Lions are subspecies? "

I was in error, differing sub-species can interbreed successfully but  different species cannot. With that said we are neither different sub-species nor a different species, we are all homosapien.
#45 Posted by Hunter114 (829 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable said:
Germans are genetically and physically and biologically different from Irish. This does not make them a different race or species or sub-species. No. I am stating that the misinformation is that we are a sub-species. I did not contradict myself, you simply did not read what i typed carefully enough or did not infer my meaning. That is an error on your part and not mine. Adaptation to environment is not is not evolution. Race is a sociological term which psuedo-scientists use to try to use to act as if we are divergent sub species.  You stated we were sub-species just as dogs and cats were. This is false. Dogs are simply wolves that have been bred for certain characteristics and can still breed without creating sterile offspring. Cats, when interbreeding sub-species, create sterile offspring just as all sub-species do when they breed. Even more scientific proof that we are not, as you erroneously stated, several sub-species. "
Germans and Irish are a cultural group which is a sub-catagory of race... while there is a slight difference between German and Irish, there is a larger difference between races.
 
Even if the races are not sub-species - they are a sub-catagory within the species and that is what they are described as by scientists. The human species seperated into groups and then spent millions of years evolving to adapting to the environment... they did not become a different species, but they are different nonetheless.
#46 Posted by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hunter114 said:

" @Formidable said:

Germans are genetically and physically and biologically different from Irish. This does not make them a different race or species or sub-species. No. I am stating that the misinformation is that we are a sub-species. I did not contradict myself, you simply did not read what i typed carefully enough or did not infer my meaning. That is an error on your part and not mine. Adaptation to environment is not is not evolution. Race is a sociological term which psuedo-scientists use to try to use to act as if we are divergent sub species.  You stated we were sub-species just as dogs and cats were. This is false. Dogs are simply wolves that have been bred for certain characteristics and can still breed without creating sterile offspring. Cats, when interbreeding sub-species, create sterile offspring just as all sub-species do when they breed. Even more scientific proof that we are not, as you erroneously stated, several sub-species. "
Germans and Irish are a cultural group which is a sub-catagory of race... while there is a slight difference between German and Irish, there is a larger difference between races.  Even if the races are not sub-species - they are a sub-catagory within the species and that is what they are described as by scientists. The human species seperated into groups and then spent millions of years evolving to adapting to the environment... they did not become a different species, but they are different nonetheless. "
There are just as many genetic differences between irish and germans as there are irish and arab people. Youre wrong.
 
They are not a sub-category either, we are all homosapien. Bigoted scientists have been trying to convince people for years that we are a different scientific classification. This is false. The human species did not separate into different groups. We migrated from the african continent some 55,000  years ago (not millions) after about 200,000= years of living on the african continent and adapted rapidly to our environment. Genetic evidence confirms this. See link below or refer to the several links in my prior post  for said evidence.
 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-skulls-that-prove-we-all-came-from-africa-457844.html
 
No-one evolved in those 55,000 years as we are all still homosapiens.Of course we are different as we adapted to our environment but none of us have evolved into anything and all of us remain  as i have stated, homosapiens. Period.
#47 Posted by thegreatfour (12967 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable : little off topic but wouldn't have been awesome to have evolved into a different species or sub-species. Well at least if it were something cool like you could blend in with your surroundings or had really good eyesight.
#48 Posted by Formidable (200 posts) - - Show Bio
@thegreatfour said:
" @Formidable : little off topic but wouldn't have been awesome to have evolved into a different species or sub-species. Well at least if it were something cool like you could blend in with your surroundings or had really good eyesight. "
We have all sorts of beneficial mutations (adaptations) derived from environment and necessity that surpass either of those. Now mutating to be able to fly or turn to organic steel, that would be cool.
#49 Posted by thegreatfour (12967 posts) - - Show Bio
@Formidable : to be able to control every bodies mind.... in the universe
#50 Posted by turoksonofstone (13199 posts) - - Show Bio

...............no. Spawn is not racist, plenty of comics are though.

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