What would happen if Sonic could use the Speed Force?

#1 Posted by The Toon Man (67 posts) - - Show Bio

I know Sonic is fast but I know that Flash and many others like him are faster thanks to the power of the Speed Force. So, I wonder what would happen if Sonic could tap into the Speed Force himself. How much faster would he become?

#2 Posted by KidChipotle (14844 posts) - - Show Bio

As fast as the rest of the Speedsters.

#3 Posted by The Toon Man (67 posts) - - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee: By the way, what is the full extent of the Speedsters speed?

#4 Posted by Video_Martian (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

He still wouldn't beat Flash...

#5 Posted by KidChipotle (14844 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Toon Man: Originally, the full extent was speed of light, or a bit faster, but that always caused time rifts or distortions, and that was only obtained by Wally and Barry. According to the New 52, the full extent has been expanded into not just being a physical thing but now also a mental thing.

@mr.obvious: Which Flash? He could probably beat Jay and the other non-flash speedsters. Maybe. Wally and Barry, deff not. No one can beat them haha.

#6 Posted by Video_Martian (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

@ArturoCalaKayVee: He can beat Jay in a race, but not Barry or Wally, they're just WAY too fast for him...

#7 Posted by KidChipotle (14844 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr.obvious: Wally and Barry are too fast for their own good. They always seem to cause some sort of rift somehow hahaha

#8 Posted by MrDirector786 (43778 posts) - - Show Bio

He would pretty much be able to go as fast as some of the speedsters in DC.

#9 Posted by PowerHerc (86157 posts) - - Show Bio

He'd become part of the DCU as the Flash's sidekick.

#10 Posted by The Toon Man (67 posts) - - Show Bio

@mr.obvious: This isn't a battle thread, mind you. I'm just curious to see what would happen to Sonic's speed if he accessed the speed force. Maybe Flash could teach him some new tricks.

#11 Posted by The Stegman (30047 posts) - - Show Bio

he'd change his name to "Sonic Speed" and change the multiverse as we know it

#12 Posted by Vance Astro (89666 posts) - - Show Bio
@MrDirector786 said:

He would pretty much be able to go as fast as some of the speedsters in DC.

Which he can probably do anyway...
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#13 Edited by The Man of Yesteryear (5592 posts) - - Show Bio

As Super Sonic, he can already travel through time rather easily...

#14 Posted by MrDirector786 (43778 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Man of Yesteryear said:

As Super Sonic, he can already travel through time rather easily...

I think it's supposed to mean regular Sonic.

#15 Posted by The Toon Man (67 posts) - - Show Bio

@MrDirector786: Yep, it was about regular Sonic. But Super Sonic can be included.

#16 Posted by Video_Martian (5650 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

He'd become part of the DCU as the Flash's sidekick.

That would be cool...

#17 Posted by BlackArmor (6222 posts) - - Show Bio

He would redefine speed as we know it...... well at least he would as Super Sonic as regular Sonic he'd be slower than Barry or Wally, but as Super Sonic he would probably just become an omnipotent gold blur like Wally was in Kingdom Come

#18 Posted by stormphoenix (1467 posts) - - Show Bio

well i'd say he be really fast but sonic is way fast enough for the use of the speed force but IF he used it he well heck he be beyond speed i guess haha i dont know

#19 Posted by Iju (114 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Toon Man: uhh, number one, sonic doent need the speed force... hes faster than that... number two if he actually DID, there is chaos emeralds, so the "speed force" is useless....

#20 Posted by brainwave_200 (11 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iju: your right Iju this is a pointless question.

#21 Posted by Iju (114 posts) - - Show Bio

@brainwave_200: LOL i love you guys! ^.^

#22 Posted by Deranged Midget (18236 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

He'd become part of the DCU as the Flash's sidekick.

#23 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (8195 posts) - - Show Bio

He travels through time and makes it so Hedge hogs are the most Dominate Species O.o

#24 Posted by Ms. Omega (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

The entire multiverse would wet itself because of the sheer awesomeness.

#25 Posted by Iju (114 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCheeseStabber: lol you are so right...

he works with no body, and he would be too fast for the DCU anyway...like i said, he doesn't need the speed force because he is FASTER than that.

#26 Posted by PowerHerc (86157 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iju said:

he works with no body, and he would be too fast for the DCU anyway...like i said, he doesn't need the speed force because he is FASTER than that.

Sonic doesn't need a body to work? He gets his stuff done as a spirit, wraith or ghost, perhaps?

Who knew? I certainly didn't!

#27 Posted by PurpleCandy (960 posts) - - Show Bio

The Speed Force is shared with all the other members, so yes everyone would be as fast as him, I think a better question would be...

What if Sonic joined the Green Lantern Corps?

#28 Posted by whoohoo789 (263 posts) - - Show Bio

correct why would sonic need the speed force he is already fast enouphe to beat bart and jay but maybe not barry or wally but let it be known im no sonic hater or flash hater

#29 Posted by soduh2 (962 posts) - - Show Bio

Archie Sonic probably could use the speed force if he was granted access to it.

#30 Posted by soduh2 (962 posts) - - Show Bio

@PurpleCandy said:

The Speed Force is shared with all the other members, so yes everyone would be as fast as him, I think a better question would be...

What if Sonic joined the Green Lantern Corps?

I'd say Sonic is more a of blue lantern. Not because of his fur color but because of his optimism.

#31 Posted by PurpleCandy (960 posts) - - Show Bio

@soduh2 said:

@PurpleCandy said:

The Speed Force is shared with all the other members, so yes everyone would be as fast as him, I think a better question would be...

What if Sonic joined the Green Lantern Corps?

I'd say Sonic is more a of blue lantern. Not because of his fur color but because of his optimism.

True true that's better and PS bout time to reply lol

#32 Edited by seonthehedgehog (1 posts) - - Show Bio

remeber if you do hyper was fast as time and ripped apart his universe then fixed by using that same speed

#33 Edited by Jeremy1989 (1194 posts) - - Show Bio

He'll be the fastest thing alive

#34 Posted by Sonic_jack (352 posts) - - Show Bio

i am going to talk about video game sonic first. most people don’t no this but sonic has time traveled using his pure speed in his normal form.

in the Storyline of sonic cd he time traveled i’ll even quote it from the sonic wikipedia page.

Storyline

Using his unrivaled speed, Sonic must travel through the past, present and future of each Zone to ensure a good future and to find Dr. Robotnik’s latest invention, Metal Sonic.

Sonic Cd

- In Palmtree Panic, Sonic didn’t have the Time Stones with him at first, so he needed to rely on his own speed to time travel.

this is in the Storyline of sonic cd. he time traveled to the past, present and future.

Sonic Colors

-Omega made calculations from Sonic and remarked that light speed would be exceeded by him, and Sonic replied that light speed is too slow for him (I think you know how Sonic feels about things about slower things).

Sonic Generations

-Tails said that Sonic’s speed alone can save time and space.

-Sonic mentioned/asked that he can jog around the planet

before they all yelled “SURPRISE!" for his birthday.

-Outran Teleportation

Sonic Rush-

-Sonic traveled to another dimension (The Special Stages were deemed as other dimensions by SEGA) with just his speed.

-Outran a Black Hole

and in the comics he has ran so fast that he stops time literally. even when just walking or standing still time is frozen. he almost got stuck permanently in this speed. he did it in his regular form not super sonic. technically that's infinite speed he covered any distance with no time passing.

#36 Posted by Gizmorino (5885 posts) - - Show Bio

He'll be the fastest thing alive

he already is

see him in his supersonic mode

#37 Posted by Gizmorino (5885 posts) - - Show Bio

All of you Sonic fanboys are idiots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9jZ_qcxivc

fanboy videos you dont know a thing about sonic so please dont post a thing about him. Am sure u are one of those who thinks his top speed is mach1

base sonic is only slower than d.c's top 5(bart, barry, wally,hunter and thawne) but supersonic mode he can reach any speed and please dont ask me any dumb question.

HE DOES NOT NEEDS THE SPEED FORCE, CHAOS CONTROL IS ENOUGH

#38 Posted by Mega_OLLO (25 posts) - - Show Bio

Well if regular sonic had the speed force he would always be as fast as super (golden) sonic.

Super Sonic with speed force would normally be at 2-5x lightspeed

Hyper Sonic with speed force would be near 20x lightspeed.

he would outrun any flash.

Then he would join the JLA to help defeat Lex Luthor and Dr.Robotnik (Eggman) who have teamed up to destroy the world.

#39 Posted by drake01 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

Fun fact: Sonic is actually considered one of the fastest characters in fiction. He's even faster than the Flash. He is classified as "unlimited speed". The only other character that fall under this category are Zoom(the Yellow Flash). Even though this has been proven, popular belief and fandom still believe the Flash is the faster fictional character of all time...even though Zoom, a character in his own comic is faster than Flash.

look it up. Flash has limits. DC has even pointed it out. Sega has stated Sonic has no limits...also Sonic moved so fast once he was at the beginning of time, the current time and the end of time which is some thing zoom hasn't even accomplished. So yeah...he's faster than flash when it comes to moving from place to place.

#40 Posted by SuperAdam (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

@drake01 said:

Fun fact: Sonic is actually considered one of the fastest characters in fiction. He's even faster than the Flash. He is classified as "unlimited speed". The only other character that fall under this category are Zoom(the Yellow Flash). Even though this has been proven, popular belief and fandom still believe the Flash is the faster fictional character of all time...even though Zoom, a character in his own comic is faster than Flash.

look it up. Flash has limits. DC has even pointed it out. Sega has stated Sonic has no limits...also Sonic moved so fast once he was at the beginning of time, the current time and the end of time which is some thing zoom hasn't even accomplished. So yeah...he's faster than flash when it comes to moving from place to place.

Proof? The fastest we've ever seen Sonic move is the speed of light, in the games. He generally runs at around the speed of sound, but he's able to move faster than sound, hence the name Sonic. And before people start posting scans of the Archie Comics, the older, more comedic Archie Sonic comics aren't canon, even in the old continuity. The comic had things like "Auntie bodies" which were little old women who were the Freedom Fighters' immunity system and ridiculous stuff like that.

#41 Edited by drake01 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@superadam: SEGA stated that they are canon and were created to expand the sonic universe and to give sonic a larger series.

#42 Edited by SuperAdam (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

@drake01 said:

@superadam: SEGA stated that they are canon and were created to expand the sonic universe and to give sonic a larger series.

The writers at Archie have stated the older issues aren't canon. They said the older issues took place when the Freedom Fighters were really young, so all the out of place stuff is the result of an unreliable narrator and the Freedom Fighters' childhood imaginations. So you can't use the early issues to prove Sonic's speed. This is referenced in one issue of the comic where, in the old continuity, Sonic says he fought Scratch and Grounder when he was "like eight."

#43 Edited by drake01 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@superadam: SEGA stated that they are canon and were created to expand the sonic universe and to give sonic a larger series. That includes the old issues too. Also you are wrong game sonic in base form can travel beyond the speed of light.

#44 Posted by SuperAdam (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

@drake01 said:

@superadam: SEGA stated that they are canon and were created to expand the sonic universe and to give sonic a larger series. That includes the old issues too. Also you are wrong game sonic in base form can travel beyond the speed of light.

In the old continuity, very few of the Sonic games were canon to the comics. And the games that were canon were only secondary canon. The canon games in the old continuity were Sonic Spinball, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic and the Secret Rings, and Sonic Rush Adventure. Sonic Rush Adventure happens differently. Sonic and Blaze only collect one Chaos Emerald in Archie's version, as stated in Sonic Universe #1. Sonic Adventure 2 also happens completely differently. Tails and Knuckles are absent from Archie's version, as stated in Sonic Universe #2. The rest of the games aren't canon in the old continuity, despite what Sega says. There's no way the Neo Metal Sonic army and Shadow being revived by the Biem can be reconciled with Sonic Heroes, for example.

In the new continuity, most of the modern games happen, however, they still happened differently. Relic the Pika was somehow involved in Sonic Adventure's story. Snively was there for Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Breezie was involved in the Game Gear version of Sonic 2. Sonic the Fighters just recently received an adaption.

Most of the classic spin-off titles haven't happened in the main comics continuity. Its been confirmed that Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Lost World, and Sonic Chronicles haven't happened in the comics.

http://www.tssznews.com/2014/02/17/flynn-updates-readers-on-new-sonic-comic-continuity/

So the games canon is different from Archie's canon.

#45 Posted by drake01 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@superadam:
Like i said before SEGA stated that they are canon and were created to expand the sonic universe and to give sonic a larger series. Also you are wrong game sonic in base form can travel beyond the speed of light.

#46 Posted by SuperAdam (1163 posts) - - Show Bio

@drake01 said:

@superadam:

Like i said before SEGA stated that they are canon and were created to expand the sonic universe and to give sonic a larger series. Also you are wrong game sonic in base form can travel beyond the speed of light.

The writer of the comics has said that that isn't true.

#47 Posted by drake01 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

@drake01 said:

@superadam:

Like i said before SEGA stated that they are canon and were created to expand the sonic universe and to give sonic a larger series. Also you are wrong game sonic in base form can travel beyond the speed of light.

The writer of the comics has said that that isn't true.

lol it's sonic Sega's mascot and ain't archie sponsored by Sega so yea it counts. its sonic the hedgehog the fastest thing alive. and aint this a comic website?

#48 Edited by drake01 (106 posts) - - Show Bio

GUISE GUISE sonic has outran time... multiple times. Sonic CD anybody? In that the MAIN OBJECTIVE was to make sonic run back in time and into the future to insure a good future. And don't get me started about the comics. Now, coming from a long time flash fan (have been reading flash comics for 6 years now), it's pretty arguable who's faster, knowing that flash outran time and death itself, but many of sonic's feats come close aswell. Before you guys bitch if the comics are canon or not, they are. SEGA stated that they are canon and were created to expand the sonic universe and to give sonic a larger series. But game sonic is good enough to compete with flash. So, who has a higher top speed?

Well, let's start with flash. Flash in general is known to be able to run at the speed of light, and if he can push himself hard enough, he can easily surpass it. Then there's the ability where he can outrun even TIME itself! But how fast do you need to be to outrun time? Well, not much faster than light. Once you travel at the speed of light, time comes to a full stop, and time is still around you. So, obviously to outrun it, you need to go slightly faster than light. So.... yeah. But how much faster than light can flash run? Well, in the comics it stated that straining every muscle in his body, he was able to run 10x the speed of light, but later on when he repeated this same event in infinite crisis, but when he tried to push himself to run even faster, he died. Yep. So it's safe to say that flash has a limit.

So Sonic? Well it's in the name. He's faster than sound. But is that really his top speed? Not close. Sonic has been stated to be the fastest thing alive, and sega even said themselves that sonic was created to compete with gaming mascot mario and was created for the soul purpose of being the fastest fictional character alive. So what did they do to make this true? Let's look at sonic's feats. Yes he runs faster than sound, we know that. But how much faster can sonic run? Well for starters,

Sonic the Hedgehog, on average, is known to run faster than the speed of sound. he sonic could instantly accelerate faster than the speed of sound with ease as shown in sonic x episode 1. he could increase his speed by using his Super Peel-Out technique. as shown in Sonic the hedgehog cd, Sonic Chaos, Sonic Triple Trouble, and Sonic Blast. in sonic unleashed the checkpoints posts. also act as radars that clock Sonic's speed when he passes them. which clocked his fastest speed of being able to go over 2,500 mph. It is also stated in the Sonic Adventure DX manual that ''He's the world's fastest, hypersonic hedgehog'' which is at a staggering speed of 3,840 mph. Sonic can move at the speed of light. as shown in Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Heroes and in sonic generations. In those games sonic has specific light speed set of moves. the light speed dash and light speed attack. Since Sonic Heroes, he can perform the light attack fast and didn't need to charge anymore. for the dash, he no longer needs to charge as of sonic adventure 2. The Light Speed Dash returns in Sonic Generations as one of Modern Sonic's normal abilites. in sonic cd Using his unrivaled speed, Sonic managed to travel through time and ensure a good future for the Little Planet. Basically, sonic ran fast enough to outrun TIME. So obviously he had to move faster than light, and in Sonic 06 (Yes, I'm bringing out one of the worst games in history for your favorite fictional hedgehog), sonic was able to keep up with solaris in his super form, while solaris has the ability to move so fast that he can be in 3 different time periods at the same time. So that's insanely fast. Omega also stated in Sonic Colors (DS) that with Sonic's current progress, he would surpass the speed of light.'' in the Archie Comics, in the early going, Sonic outraced shadows and was faster than light. by vibrating his molecules at super-speed, Sonic can break free of chains and can create a force-field. In Hyper Sonic #134: Something about 2 missiles on opposite ends of continents about to hit. He pushed himself to his extreme limit, and really straned himself, entering a realm where time was stopped. He then proceeded to take out the threats in no time. After this, he had trouble getting out of this accelerated mode and was nearly stuck permemantly , until he found how to slow himself down to get out of it. So basically, sonic moved at the speed of infinite, because he was moving from one location to another in NO TIME. sonic has different forms of speed, regular, super, ultra, hyper, sonic can also hit warp zones and use chaos control (with an emerald). Chaos Control : CC is a completelydifferent level, you could "try" assigning a speed to a few of the times they use it in certain ways, but not really. For STARTS , CC allows teleporting,warping of space and time,generally anything related to what i just mentioned(like timetravel and dimension hopping) so... seriously? a measure of speed? lol. Super Sonic transformation- Super Sonic enhances his speed- that's all they officially say about him. and could could fly and float in the air for a unlimited amount of time. What's he's performed in feats-he's faster than light without effort, and doesn't strain to go faster at all. Sonic X- in Sonic X he travels through time and space under his own power. Archie gave Super Sonic some feats such as crossing the planet in under a second(Super Sonic's first archie fight), but...not much . He did avoid a black hole, but it's not that impressive, though physics says you must be FTL to escape those.(as if Super Sonic could have been hurt anyway. Sonic Shuffle: Super Sonic's Sonic Rumble move-he dashes with afterimages behind him, up to a opponent, seems to do nothing, then just instantly appears where he started ,and then a glowing haze forms where he was at,caused from attacking X enemy he dashes with afterimages behind him, up to a opponent, seems to do nothing, then just instantly appears where he started ,and then a glowing haze forms where he was at,caused from attacking X enemy numerous times at such a speed; it was a "delayed effect". In Sonic CD "Using his unrivaled speed, Sonic managed to travel through time and ensure a good future for the Little Planet." that's only BASE Sonic just using his speed to travel through time. Finishing up: The archie feat lets him move at anywhere in no time which equates to infinite speed due to that factor. And that was him in his BASE form. He could just use CC and 'time stop' to get that^ or externally, seriously Stop Time for all, (Sonic X), but he prefers his speed over CC. Sonic the hedgehog is beyond the speed of light. In one of the sonic comic issues, Sonic ran towards knuckles at such insane speed (and was stated as "unmeasurable speed"), sonic ripped through the fabric of time and space, and accidentally destroyed the universe. his top speed is immeasurable it's unknown.

So.. in conclusion, Both characters are fast, but flash has shown many limits, while sonic has shown that he has no limits at all, and can run as fast as well,,, he needs to be. Sonic was created for the purpouse of being the fastest fictional character alive, and that's the way it's gonna be.

The fastest character is Sonic.

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