Silver Surfer isn't unbeatable (I had to do it)

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#1 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7878 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously guys, we understand that his recent showing against BRB was pretty impressive (I'm not even going to bring up his win via plot device against Aegis and Tenebrous), but stop making him out to be as powerful as his creator. It's getting ridiculous at this point regarding threads that match him up with Monarch, Superman-Prime, all of Marvel & DC Earth, etc. Is he the most powerful herald? Sure. Is he a universal threat, or even a star system-buster? Absolutely not.

#2 Posted by Edamame (28375 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm..
 
Hyperstorm could defeat him.

#3 Posted by pooty (11717 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder:  Couldn't SS SOLO both of your avatars at the same time?
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#4 Posted by Sexy Merc (41971 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer is one of the most powerful superheroes right now. He gets hyped by CERTAIN people, like Superman, Juggernaut etc. I wouldn't specifically say Surfer is unbeatable without including the many others who are over-hyped by those certain individuals.

#5 Posted by Silver2467 (16387 posts) - - Show Bio

While I am not sure if this actually does belong in the battle forums, this did have to be done. Although, to be fair, there are other characters who deserve this just as much as Surfer do, but it does get ridiculous. 

#6 Edited by jumpstart55 (2252 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" Seriously guys, we understand that his recent showing against BRB was pretty impressive (I'm not even going to bring up his win via plot device against Aegis and Tenebrous), but stop making him out to be as powerful as his creator. It's getting ridiculous at this point regarding threads that match him up with Monarch, Superman-Prime, all of Marvel & DC Earth, etc. Is he the most powerful herald? Sure. Is he a universal threat, or even a star system-buster? Absolutely not. "

That  Silver Surfer vs all Marvel/DC heroes and villains Thread sent  you of the edge right.  
I totally agree with you,the Silver surfer is vastly over rated on the vine it needs to stop.
#7 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7878 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder:  Couldn't SS SOLO both of your avatars at the same time? "
Yet the guys in my background and profile images, respectively, would beat him down to a bloody pulp.
#8 Posted by supermandefender (2055 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually Surfer just road the Crunch the source that made Aegis and Tenebrous and he was risking complete and other death attempting it. But it succeeded and he made a wave that comsumed Aegis and Tenebrous killing them. The power that created them destroyed them....it was not the Surfer that did this. That isnt a high feat. Surviving a blast from Aegis and Tenebrous was a high feat I guess....but they said they didnt want to kill so I am kind of unsure about that. 
 
Surfer is not a universal threat. He is a Thor level after his boost problly alittle better than Thor. Classic Thor problly beat him sense Surfer has a weakness to magic. Any of the Dc heavy hitters can beat him just Surfer can problly beat them to....another thing is Surfers cosmic awareness I think is confusing the young minded it doesnt give Surfer all the knowledge of a character. He can sense energy from a light year away any forms of it....he can study all energies into subatomic detail and copy them exactly. And he has a awareness of the state the universe is in.....cosmic threat or unbalance will be a red flag to him. 
 
DC's energys like GL ring will be completely new to the Surfer his cosmic awareness can pick it the energy until he can study it in sub atomic detail but he couldnt copy it or known anything about it until he encounters it. Then its fair game for  the Surfer.

#9 Posted by Donovan Montgomery (5489 posts) - - Show Bio

No, he's not un-beatable, but I would like to dirrect your attention to the aformentioned thread of "all of Marvel & DC Earth " when I read this I picture WW3 with BA vs DC Earth.  BTW, if you notice in that thread, I say BA could beat-down Surfer :p
#10 Posted by JThree47693 (2502 posts) - - Show Bio

No, Surfer isn't unbeatable, but he is a damn beast.
#11 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7878 posts) - - Show Bio
@jumpstart55 said:
"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" Seriously guys, we understand that his recent showing against BRB was pretty impressive (I'm not even going to bring up his win via plot device against Aegis and Tenebrous), but stop making him out to be as powerful as his creator. It's getting ridiculous at this point regarding threads that match him up with Monarch, Superman-Prime, all of Marvel & DC Earth, etc. Is he the most powerful herald? Sure. Is he a universal threat, or even a star system-buster? Absolutely not. "

That  Silver Surfer vs all Marvel/DC heroes and villains Thread blew you of the edge right.  I totally agree with you,the Silver surfer is vastly over rated on the vine it needs to stop. "
The threads involving him recently all happen to be total mismatches, but "The Cheese Pickle", who plagiarized Morpheus a little while ago, claimed that Surfer could beat a fully-powered Galactus.
#12 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5470 posts) - - Show Bio
@supermandefender said:
" Actually Surfer just road the Crunch the source that made Aegis and Tenebrous and he was risking complete and other death attempting it. But it succeeded and he made a wave that comsumed Aegis and Tenebrous killing them. The power that created them destroyed them....it was not the Surfer that did this. That isnt a high feat. Surviving a blast from Aegis and Tenebrous was a high feat I guess....but they said they didnt want to kill so I am kind of unsure about that.   Surfer is not a universal threat. He is a Thor level after his boost problly alittle better than Thor. Classic Thor problly beat him sense Surfer has a weakness to magic. Any of the Dc heavy hitters can beat him just Surfer can problly beat them to....another thing is Surfers cosmic awareness I think is confusing the young minded it doesnt give Surfer all the knowledge of a character. He can sense energy from a light year away any forms of it....he can study all energies into subatomic detail and copy them exactly. And he has a awareness of the state the universe is in.....cosmic threat or unbalance will be a red flag to him.   DC's energys like GL ring will be completely new to the Surfer his cosmic awareness can pick it the energy until he can study it in sub atomic detail but he couldnt copy it or known anything about it until he encounters it. Then its fair game for  the Surfer. "
That was a high feat, just not a reproducible one. 
 
Thor and Surfer have always been evenly matched.
#13 Posted by supermandefender (2055 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc:  Exactly...alot of hyped up talk. But there are semi good reasons for there hype I believe. Superman gets hyped because of his feats...his strength. Surfer gets hyped because of his powers.
#14 Posted by difficlus (10632 posts) - - Show Bio
@jumpstart55 said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:
" Seriously guys, we understand that his recent showing against BRB was pretty impressive (I'm not even going to bring up his win via plot device against Aegis and Tenebrous), but stop making him out to be as powerful as his creator. It's getting ridiculous at this point regarding threads that match him up with Monarch, Superman-Prime, all of Marvel & DC Earth, etc. Is he the most powerful herald? Sure. Is he a universal threat, or even a star system-buster? Absolutely not. "
That  Silver Surfer vs all Marvel/DC heroes and villains Thread blew you of the edge right.  "
wow there's a thread like that? someone needs to put down the pipe.lol. 
 
Seriously SS isn't beatable, but its because of his insane versatility that makes people see him that way. Like Superboy-Prime, surely SS could drain the energy out of him right? Or attack him telepathically. its things like that that guarantee SS the win over some scenarios, however i'm not saying he can defeat all the GLs at the same time or Bust a star system (and those saying that should check their blood pressure). But yes SS vs All DC and Marvel is obviously a spite from someone who hates SS.lol. 
#15 Posted by Hellos (8832 posts) - - Show Bio

Not a battle. 
 
Now thats out of the way, Norrin's just the flavor of the month for people to put him into thread after thread. Certain posters have dedicated themselves to that.  
Is everyone forgetting Jean Grey after Jean Grey poll thread a while back.
#16 Posted by supermandefender (2055 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral:  not so much speaking Thor beat Surfer everytime they fought and when Surfer did get the upper hand in Silver Surfer #4 he got amped by Loki to beat Thor. But that was Classic Thor. Current Thor hasnt shown anything as impressive besides going OD or Warrior mode. Surfer has...only diff.
#17 Edited by jumpstart55 (2252 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" @jumpstart55 said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" Seriously guys, we understand that his recent showing against BRB was pretty impressive (I'm not even going to bring up his win via plot device against Aegis and Tenebrous), but stop making him out to be as powerful as his creator. It's getting ridiculous at this point regarding threads that match him up with Monarch, Superman-Prime, all of Marvel & DC Earth, etc. Is he the most powerful herald? Sure. Is he a universal threat, or even a star system-buster? Absolutely not. "

That  Silver Surfer vs all Marvel/DC heroes and villains Thread blew you of the edge right.  I totally agree with you,the Silver surfer is vastly over rated on the vine it needs to stop. "
The threads involving him recently all happen to be total mismatches, but "The Cheese Pickle", who plagiarized Morpheus a little while ago, claimed that Surfer could beat a fully-powered Galactus. "
 I want to cry after reading that statement.
Surfer has what percentage of galactus's power? 
I know its low.
#18 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7878 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @jumpstart55 said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder said:
" Seriously guys, we understand that his recent showing against BRB was pretty impressive (I'm not even going to bring up his win via plot device against Aegis and Tenebrous), but stop making him out to be as powerful as his creator. It's getting ridiculous at this point regarding threads that match him up with Monarch, Superman-Prime, all of Marvel & DC Earth, etc. Is he the most powerful herald? Sure. Is he a universal threat, or even a star system-buster? Absolutely not. "
That  Silver Surfer vs all Marvel/DC heroes and villains Thread blew you of the edge right.  "
wow there's a thread like that? someone needs to put down the pipe.lol.  Seriously SS isn't beatable, but its because of his insane versatility that makes people see him that way. Like Superboy-Prime, surely SS could drain the energy out of him right? Or attack him telepathically. its things like that that guarantee SS the win over some scenarios, however i'm not saying he can defeat all the GLs at the same time or Bust a star system (and those saying that should check their blood pressure). But yes SS vs All DC and Marvel is obviously a spite from someone who hates SS.lol.  "
A Guardian needed to sacrifice himself in order to even BFR Prime, he would slaughter all of Galactus' heralds at the same time.
#19 Posted by Sexy Merc (41971 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc said:

" He gets hyped by CERTAIN people, like Superman. "

@supermandefender:
 
 
 
Just kidding.
#20 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7878 posts) - - Show Bio
@jumpstart55 said:
"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" @jumpstart55 said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

" Seriously guys, we understand that his recent showing against BRB was pretty impressive (I'm not even going to bring up his win via plot device against Aegis and Tenebrous), but stop making him out to be as powerful as his creator. It's getting ridiculous at this point regarding threads that match him up with Monarch, Superman-Prime, all of Marvel & DC Earth, etc. Is he the most powerful herald? Sure. Is he a universal threat, or even a star system-buster? Absolutely not. "

That  Silver Surfer vs all Marvel/DC heroes and villains Thread blew you of the edge right.  I totally agree with you,the Silver surfer is vastly over rated on the vine it needs to stop. "
The threads involving him recently all happen to be total mismatches, but "The Cheese Pickle", who plagiarized Morpheus a little while ago, claimed that Surfer could beat a fully-powered Galactus. "
 I want to cry after reading that statement.Surfer has what percentage of galactus's power? I know its low. "
As far as I know, much lower than 1%
#21 Posted by supermandefender (2055 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sexy Merc:  lol its all good.
#22 Posted by Hellos (8832 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:
"A Guardian needed to sacrifice himself in order to even BFR Prime, he would slaughter all of Galactus' heralds at the same time. "

That I would have my doubts on PISrainbowboy Prime.
#23 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7878 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos said:
"Not a battle.  Now thats out of the way, Norrin's just the flavor of the month for people to put him into thread after thread. Certain posters have dedicated themselves to that.  Is everyone forgetting Jean Grey after Jean Grey poll thread a while back. "
Zoom's "News Flash: Killer Croc isn't all that powerful" thread wasn't a battle, but it was completely necessary for the forum at the time.
#24 Posted by Sexy Merc (41971 posts) - - Show Bio

To be fair, the Guardians are written like shit right now. There's no reason to think it would take more than one Guardians to destroy him.

#25 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5470 posts) - - Show Bio
@supermandefender said:
" @CosmicSpiral:  not so much speaking Thor beat Surfer everytime they fought and when Surfer did get the upper hand in Silver Surfer #4 he got amped by Loki to beat Thor. But that was Classic Thor. Current Thor hasnt shown anything as impressive besides going OD or Warrior mode. Surfer has...only diff. "
No, they're really even. Thor never won by a large margin, not even in Blood and Thunder. 
#26 Posted by Edamame (28375 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder: Do you agree that Hyperstorm could defeat the Silver Surfer?
#27 Posted by supermandefender (2055 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder:  It was stated a small portion of Galactus's power cosmic. Whatever that means. But Surfer did get Amped up in Annihilation he may be 2% of Galactus now lol I dunno.
#28 Posted by pooty (11717 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder:  you have to look at who made the SS vs everybody thread. when i see a person make a thread involving their avatar you almost have to ignore it cuz they are usually unreasonable. i want to make a thread using my avatar but he would beat everybody.
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#29 Edited by Hellos (8832 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"Zoom's "News Flash: Killer Croc isn't all that powerful" thread wasn't a battle, but it was completely necessary for the forum at the time. "


I somehow doubt it directly resulted in the end of Killer Croc threads.  
Vine has a lot of flavor of the month character battle threads, SS isn't the first nor will it be the last name that will show up over and over again.
#30 Posted by supermandefender (2055 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral:  Blood and Thunder Thor beat Surfer so bad he had to go ask for help from Adam Warlock and then after fighting him a second time they ran away again. lol If you dont call that losing I dunno what to call it. Its 2v1 there. lol.
#31 Edited by The Mjolnir Wielder (7878 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos said:
"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:
"A Guardian needed to sacrifice himself in order to even BFR Prime, he would slaughter all of Galactus' heralds at the same time. "
That I would have my doubts on PISrainbowboy Prime. "
You shouldn't 
 
@Edamame
said:

" @The Mjolnir Wielder: Do you agree that Hyperstorm could defeat the Silver Surfer? "

Definitely, Hyperstorm is on a completely different level. 
 
#32 Posted by Edamame (28375 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder: I wonder if anyone else agrees. 
#33 Edited by CosmicSpiral (5470 posts) - - Show Bio
@supermandefender said:

" @CosmicSpiral:  Blood and Thunder Thor beat Surfer so bad he had to go ask for help from Adam Warlock and then after fighting him a second time they ran away again. lol If you dont call that losing I dunno what to call it. Its 2v1 there. lol. "

Surfer wasn't hurt badly, not even when Thor hammered him through multiple pages. But he couldn't stop Thor. 
#34 Posted by tensor (5101 posts) - - Show Bio

he is not unbeatable, but he his the best thing marvel superhero wise a little bit over the top some times

#35 Posted by Hellos (8832 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Mjolnir Wielder said:
"You shouldn't "
 
Well I'm sure DC could write up some crap how his punches suck the PC out of the heralds and Stardust somehow turns into something he can actually kill and such, while ignoring Norrin's much more versatile power set.
Plus the Gnomes aren't the best measuring stick anymore.

 

"Definitely, Hyperstorm is on a completely different level.   " 

 
Well he was a reality warper that could tap into limitless energies to boot. Little out of Norrin's league normally.
#36 Posted by Edamame (28375 posts) - - Show Bio

Some say that he is more powerful than Thanos now.

#37 Edited by Hellos (8832 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:

"Some say that he is more powerful than Thanos now. "


Who? Norrin? 
We have no clue how powerful Thanos is yet other than being able to bring death to deathless beings, which is directly a result of being the Avatar of Death.
#38 Posted by supermandefender (2055 posts) - - Show Bio

Nuff said: He beats all of Marvel and DC PPL!
#39 Posted by difficlus (10632 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
" Some say that he is more powerful than Thanos now. "
we dont know...they havent fought yet. he always has a weakness to thanos. with his upgrade maybe he could give him a better fight than before. idk...
#40 Posted by Hellos (8832 posts) - - Show Bio
@supermandefender said:
"
 
Nuff said: He beats all of Marvel and DC PPL! "

Nothing beats some horrible PIS how someone that can sit inside stars not feeling the heat getting hurt by what should be an unimaginably weaker force.
#41 Posted by Hellos (8832 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @Edamame said:
" Some say that he is more powerful than Thanos now. "
we dont know...they havent fought yet. he always has a weakness to thanos. with his upgrade maybe he could give him a better fight than before. idk... "

While weakened he matched Thanos's energy output in annihilation, but again we don't know how powerful current Thanos is.
#42 Posted by Galactusischere (414 posts) - - Show Bio

The Asgardian Destroyer is still the most powerful herald of Galactus, not Silver Surfer.

#43 Posted by supermandefender (2055 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos:  lol its a joke.
#44 Posted by Hellos (8832 posts) - - Show Bio
@supermandefender said:
" @Hellos:  lol its a joke. "

Yah, I'm not too big on pulling horrible low showings / PIS for characters. Thats the stuff generally when I see it in a comic I'm going to facepalm.
#45 Edited by Galactusischere (414 posts) - - Show Bio

Contrary to popular belief, Surfer never got a power up in Annihilation. He only got a better mindset as he rejected Galactus's amp.

#46 Posted by Edamame (28375 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos said:

"Definitely, Hyperstorm is on a completely different level.   " 

 Well he was a reality warper that could tap into limitless energies to boot. Little out of Norrin's league normally. "
Right, but they say that if the Silver Surfer were blood lusted, then he could speed blitz KO anyone. Including Hyperstorm, possibly. 
 
@Hellos said:
" @Edamame said:

"Some say that he is more powerful than Thanos now. "

Who? Norrin? We have no clue how powerful Thanos is yet other than being able to bring death to deathless beings, which is directly a result of being the Avatar of Death. "

Yes. The Silver Surfer.
 
How powerful is Thanos in the Thanos Imperative so far?
 
Oh. I guess you answered that already. 
 
@difficlus said:
" @Edamame said:
" Some say that he is more powerful than Thanos now. "
we dont know...they havent fought yet. he always has a weakness to thanos. with his upgrade maybe he could give him a better fight than before. idk... "

I last remember Thanos laughing of the Silver Surfer's blasts. The Silver Surfer said something like "Okay. You have been warned!"  Then Thanos said "Are you finished?" 
#47 Posted by Hellos (8832 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
"
How powerful is Thanos in the Thanos Imperative so far? 
"

Avatar of awsome Death powerful, which is the best answer I can give.
 
#48 Posted by Edamame (28375 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hellos said:
" @Edamame said:
"
How powerful is Thanos in the Thanos Imperative so far? 
"
Avatar of awsome Death powerful, which is the best answer I can give.  "
Okay.
#49 Posted by Decoy Elite (29923 posts) - - Show Bio
Are you saying I shouldn't make that TOAA vs Silver Surfer thread? >:/
#50 Edited by Arvinak (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah Surfer has always been overrated, i'm just glade someone said it, fanboys treat him like that I think because he is kind of like Marvel's Superman, you know just the untouchable character, that's why Marvel fanboys flood the Surfer vs Superman debate, Surfer has become the poster boy to defeating supes, dc's poster  boy. Just boils down to Marvel vs DC. That is just where I have encountered the most fanboy's, in supes debates.

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