Shatterstar's sexuality holding him back ???

#1 Posted by Jordanstine (907 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember when Shatterstar was first introduced that he became such a bad-### popular character, 2nd most popular to only Cable in New Mutants/X-Force.   
 
He had a cool story too (including one with Longshot), and he was so popular that when hen Co-creator Rob Liefeld left, he created Prophet based on Shatterstar's look, and that book was pretty popular too.      
 
It wasn't until Marvel decided to write Shatterstar as being gay, that all of a sudden, his character was practically dropped off.   Liefeld was said to be upset at Marvel's direction. 
 
Is there a way to revive and refreshen this character again with or without his sexuality in question?
#2 Posted by xerox_kitty (15762 posts) - - Show Bio

I disagree.  Although I'm aware of Rob Liefeld's disapproval at the character being used like this, at least Shatterstar is being used in a new & different way.  It's the first time he's shown any kind of development.  Comics have evolved passed the steroid-pumped killers of the 90's, so we need more than just another angry young man with swords. 
 
While I'm not crazy about the way that Shatterstar has been turned into another Captain Jack Harkness type character that wants to bonk everyone & everything, at least it gives him more depth to his character.  And more importantly, he's actually IN comics.  And on a regular basis.  He's been in limbo for too long.

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#3 Edited by jamesewelch (616 posts) - - Show Bio

No. Shatterstar's sexuality isn't holding him back. Only the writer can do that. Shatterstar is just a character. The writer is what gives the story to the characters.
 
I've been a big Shatterstar fan since his 1st appearance in New Mutants. I still have his 1st appearance issue and most of the X-Force vol 1 issues with him in it.
 
I don't think his character development of late is directly tied to his sexuality. Poor writing and lack of good character development doesn't depend on the  character's sexuality. The fact that you brought that up as a potential reason seems kind of strange. If a writer is doing a poor job with a character, then the writer is doing a poor job. <sarcastic>Maybe the writing is bad because Shatterstar doesn't have his long pony-tail anymore?</sarcastic> 
 
The quality of Shatterstar's character depends on the writer and the editorial staff's direction and intent for the character.  I'd like to see Shatterstar get a bit more attention and more fights to show off his skills, but it's hard for one character to get that much of a re-write/focus in team books unless they do a one-shot or limited series with him as the primary character.
 
I picked up the most recent issue of X-Factor (Second Coming: Revelations tie-in). I'd prefer to see him in more of an X-Force or X-Men title than X-Factor, I just don't like the X-Factor title for some reason that I just can't figure out. Maybe after the X-shakeup of Second Coming, he'll get reassigned to a different X-team.

#4 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1659 posts) - - Show Bio

He's never struck me as anything more than another part of the 90s anti-hero glut.  Not keeping up with the x-men much, I hadn't heard of Shatterstar's homosexuality until this very thread.
 
And even after that realization, he still doesn't strike me as anything more than a product of the 90s anti-hero glut.

#5 Posted by Ryonslaught (1247 posts) - - Show Bio

by making him gay, he's become relevant and not the 2d "gladiator" he started out as 
I'm quite amused with this direction

#6 Posted by Gylan Thomas (2727 posts) - - Show Bio

There're a whole lot of charaters who don't get much page time.
Shall we make an excuse for them all?

#7 Posted by shatter the stars (20 posts) - - Show Bio
@jamesewelch:   
i strongly agree with most of that, but i couldn't imagine where your inexplicable distaste of the X-Factor series comes from... or did you literally mean the "title" of it?
I wouldn't mind him staying in the X-Factor team, as long as he continues to develop as a character, and i deffinitely think a second Shatterstar one shot would be great,
especially due to all of the relatively recent character developments and ...controversies.   X3
#8 Posted by jamesewelch (616 posts) - - Show Bio
@shatter the stars:  I don't dislike X-Factor that much, I just picked up the recent issues related to Second Coming and I didn't really like those issues. The X-Factor concept of a mutant detective agency, etc. just doesn't connect with me (I think). I'd prefer to see him operating back with an X-Force/X-Men like hit-team rather than these types of stories. The most recent issue, he got in a few panels with a good fight scene showcasing his skills, but I'm still not willing to become an X-Factor subscriber yet.
#9 Posted by shatter the stars (20 posts) - - Show Bio
@jamesewelch: 
yeah, the detective agency concept took a little getting used to for me as well, but maybe ive just been giving it a lot of leeway, cause i was just so glad they finally took shatterstar out of his limbo. I figure id be satisfied but any showcase if his skills and development. given, his "development" has been going from "flirting with every other person he sees" to a few intermittent skill showcases, in the past few issues, ive remained convinced that the collaboration of Madrox and Shatterstar on one team, a writer like Peter David, and fairly consistent artwork (with a couple rare exceptions), the X-Factor title has kept me interested and [mostly] satisfied. =]
#10 Posted by Cherry Bomb (3189 posts) - - Show Bio

Rictor and Shatterstar are my favourite couple at the moment
seriously, they are so cute!

#11 Posted by Eet Mor Puppee (103 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jordanstine:

I don't think it's his sexuality that is 'holding him back' I think it's his entire origin. Seriously, I remember back in the early nineties he was a completely different sort of character than he is today. I just checked his page to read his background and it doesn't make any sense. He's been retconned too many times to be easily understandable. 
 
Also, he doesn't really have much to do with the theme of the book that he's in. He's some soldier from space. What does that have to do with the current version of X-Factor? He would probably be better utilized in a book with a more global focus, or one that had a more diverse cast of characters than just mutants. Honestly, I think the best book for him might be Exiles.
#12 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio

Can I just point out that as of right now, Shatterstar has a whole 5 forums, 3 of which are addressing his sexuality.  
Just to be strict on detail, he isn't gay, he is Bi or pansexual.  
 
It really hasn't held him back, he was washed up. He had no purpose. He appeared in X-Men civil war and almost killed micromax. thats about all he has done in recent time. they tried to make a super killer but it just was boring. X-Factor is truely giving this guy a place to shine. The fight scene between him and Thing was marvelous.
#13 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio

why does his sexuality matter?

#14 Posted by jordama (4225 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula:
it has become an issue for some. Check the forum about loeb making him gay.
#15 Posted by EisforExtinction (1909 posts) - - Show Bio

I think his bisexuality at least makes him interesting.

#16 Posted by riri4life (7189 posts) - - Show Bio

What's even more interestng is that he very well may be Dazzler's son! Yay for strawberry blondes! lol

#17 Posted by Hunter114 (829 posts) - - Show Bio

Every damn time... I keep thinking people mean the mod of the same name ;)
 
Anyway, I digress... Shatterstar's homosexuality will probably help with the character's evolution, but I hope that it won't define him.

#18 Posted by ImperiousRix (1069 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like Shatterstar was just another victim of 90s edginess.  He had a really "kewl" look, but like Cable, he didn't have too much going for him beyond that.  Luckily for Cable, he got in the hands of some talented writers and they ended up making the character very interesting.  I think Shatterstar's homosexuality was an attempt at doing the same for him, but unfortunately the character just hasn't found his time for a resurgence yet. 
Let's hope for fans that he eventually does get his just due.

#19 Posted by nicknicholby (523 posts) - - Show Bio

being a person that owns nearly every single comic that shatterstar has appeared in, i find his current state to be interesting.
now, the fact that i own almost every comic he is in does not mean i was a fan of his.  i was a fan of new mutants and x-force and now a fan of x-factor.  i used to find shatterstar's character extremely boring and only there to attack things and then disappear into the background again.  at least now he's evolving.

#20 Posted by chaoscomics4eva (14 posts) - - Show Bio

No, I think it makes him 110% more interesting. Not only does a subject of controversy sell, but Star is still amazingly cool. And he's gay, but still a hardcore gladiator, coping with modern life on earth. He deals with both love and emotions and life, and also his needs to fight and kill. Star is not just a gay dude in a comic book, unlike SOME, who will not be named...anyway, he has a fascinating history and has room for a lot of character growth, who just happens to be also gay (or bi, whatever). 
 
Plus, I mean, Peter David is doing an AMAZING job writing him. X-Factor is great, and it's hard to get competition on writing a character when there is already someone doing a great job. Like how no one can really write X-23 as good as Craig Kyle. 

#21 Posted by SC (12914 posts) - - Show Bio

Yep, because Asexuality is super common and super popular in today's society. Damn more than the majority of writers who worked on him, one who made him, all like in the 90's thinking about taking him in this direction because he is a character expanding and with that expansion new creative changes are called for, damn Peter David for just suddenly making him gay, even though in books long before writers were dropping hints. Damn them, damn them all to Hela! 

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#22 Posted by jrock85 (2874 posts) - - Show Bio
@SC
He's not gay, he's a trysexual.
#23 Posted by SC (12914 posts) - - Show Bio
@jrock85:  He's not trysexual, he is a Gladiator!!!!!!! Heh too on the nose? *smile*
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#24 Posted by BlackJade (22 posts) - - Show Bio

I know that a character's creator can be pretty touchy with this kinda of stuff, but he's kind of acting like a baby about it. Suddenly turning a character against their sexuality is a big step, its not like changing hair color thats true, but Rob is behaving ridiculously childish. If he gets the chance he'll undo it, yeah real mature. No one cares that much about Shatterstar, he's 90s, but they do now, because of his character revamp and his openly gay relationship, with another character who is also boring, if it wasnt for his open sexuality and evolving character. 
 
Liefeld should be happy anyone even knows who  Shatterstar is.

#25 Posted by MrJip (6 posts) - - Show Bio

How on earth is he being "held back"..??

Shatterstar's actually been TALKING and DOING things in a comic book nowadays, as opposed to languishing in limbo or just being a killing machine with zero personality (because writers don't know what to do with that Benjamin Russell hot mess).

It's not like Peter David just gives Shatterstar make out sessions with Rictor. He has LOL "American culture shock" lines, kickass fight scenes, as well as revealing conversations with Rahne, Monet & others. Plus, he's now the X-Factor teleporter.

Perhaps you just prefer a mysterious, macho, gladiator type with a long, flowing ponytail wearing big shoulder pads. Gee that sounds rather... gay.

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