Hello people, today I want to talk about The Sentry erasing his memory to vanish The Void.
I have been in a discussion with my girl about WHO erase Sentry´s memories....I´m hoping you can help me unravel the truth
¿Does the Sentry erase his memory by his own power or someone aid him in the task?
If you can give the reference of your statements i would appreciate it
Sentry
Character » Sentry appears in 966 issues.
After ingesting an experimental super-soldier formula, the lowly Robert Reynolds became the Sentry, if only in his mind. In constant battle with his dark side known as the Void, the Sentry has been forgotten and dead, he has resurrected and vanished. Even if he is one of earth's greatest heroes, he is also one of the world's greatest dangers.
The Sentry loss of memory
" In Fallen Son: Sentry, from the way I saw it, it was the combined efforts of Dr. Strange, Reed, and Sentry himself. I don't have the scan handy. "Yeah, that's it.
The Sentry's incredible telepathic ability, combined with Strange's immense mystical power and Reed's science made it possible.
Also, because this is a Sentry forum; Siege should be non-canon.
BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES BENDIS YOU ****ING TWIT!
....Sorry about that.
Then Bendis came along and ****ed the whole thing by making Bob a villain and an easily manipulated puppet. The real Sentry would have seen through Osborn's charade before anyone else and taken him and his Dark Avengers down in a fraction of a second.
I hate Siege more than the list, purely for issues 3 and in particular; 4. I reviewed it on this site. I was not kind lol
Dark Reign had a lot of wasted potential all around. But I liked it better than the "Heroic Age." The Thunderbolts were cool after Civil War and during Dark Reign. They suck now.
I enjoyed Dark Avengers. For the most part, it was well written. I would have liked if they went into Osborn's psyche more than they did Sentry. It's like they wanted to open up that plot but did almost nothing with it. And the art was amazing - that was one of the reasons I picked up Secret Avengers (the best / only good Avengers title out now. Avengers is horrible and New Avengers is barely tolerable)
I really liked aspects of DA; the Doom arc was fun, and I loved seeing Sentry as drawn by Deodato. Not to mention his Moonstone is gorgeous, but by the Molecule Man arc, I began to hate the series and picked it up purely because of Deodato.
He's even better in this series. All of the characters are written perfectly. Fandomex and Deadpool add a little dark humor (though Fantomex is deadly serious when the situation calls for it)." @JediXMan: Yeah, X-Force looked sweet. I might pick up the trade. I do love me some Fantomex :D "
The art is rather nice, too.
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:Cool, thanks for the recommendation. I respect your taste, so I'll have to check it out when it comes out in trade form.He's even better in this series. All of the characters are written perfectly. Fandomex and Deadpool add a little dark humor (though Fantomex is deadly serious when the situation calls for it). The art is rather nice, too. "" @JediXMan: Yeah, X-Force looked sweet. I might pick up the trade. I do love me some Fantomex :D "
Btw, did I ever tell you that I read the TotJ series? Redemption is one of my favourite stories ever. Loved every second of it.
Ulic's quote; "The past still weighs heavily upon me. Yes, I have done many things in my life—but they weren't all bad. Perhaps I can find peace now" is one of the most beautiful things I've ever read in a comic.
" @JediXMan: True. The Void was the telepathic powerhouse, not the Sentry. BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES BENDIS YOU ****ING TWIT! ....Sorry about that. "...
"I can feel your anger", but I don't share the same feeling, for me, Bendis' Sentry is the evolution of Jenkins' Sentry, a new step, since both are combined because Bob knows the truth.
" @JediXMan: The original Sentry series is one of my favourite books ever, it was a beautifully told tale of a mentally ill person overcoming their demons to become the greatest hero of all time, and then giving away that legacy to protect humanity. Then Bendis came along and ****ed the whole thing by making Bob a villain and an easily manipulated puppet. The real Sentry would have seen through Osborn's charade before anyone else and taken him and his Dark Avengers down in a fraction of a second. "I would have liked that idea if it had been executed right (it was the siege/dark reign event in which I discovered the character and all his awesomesauce), like if Osborn had something real to hold over Sentry's head or if the Sentry had shown signs of rebellion. It could have been great, but like you said in just so many words, Bendis was an idiot.
" @JediXMan: The original Sentry series is one of my favourite books ever, it was a beautifully told tale of a mentally ill person overcoming their demons to become the greatest hero of all time, and then giving away that legacy to protect humanity. Then Bendis came along and ****ed the whole thing by making Bob a villain and an easily manipulated puppet. The real Sentry would have seen through Osborn's charade before anyone else and taken him and his Dark Avengers down in a fraction of a second. "Have you ever read Sentry vol. 2 by Jenkins?
- Sentry Vol. 1: Is about Bob thinking that he is a hero at the end, he discovers that he and Void are the same.
- Sentry Vol. 2: Here you (as reader) discover that Bob have always been void, and Sentry is not real, that Bob is also a junkie.
- Bendis' Sentry: Sentry and Void have merged into one person, he doesn't know who really is him.
" @TypingKira: Yes, basically, is why Bendis' Sentry is so crazy and sad, there are no real difference between Jenkins' Sentry and Bendis' Sentry.At the end of Volume 2 Sentry destroyed the Void though. And Vol 1 and 2 are set in different continuities; one being Marvel Knights and the other being Earth 616."
- Sentry Vol. 1: Is about Bob thinking that he is a hero at the end, he discovers that he and Void are the same.
- Sentry Vol. 2: Here you (as reader) discover that Bob have always been void, and Sentry is not real, that Bob is also a junkie.
- Bendis' Sentry: Sentry and Void have merged into one person, he doesn't know who really is him.
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:Yeah, but they're the identifiers that I use. The two Sentrys present are very different. The first Sentry is not a junkie, can not change from Bob to Sentry and is suffering from a more existential despair, whereas the volume 2 Sentry is a more "hard" version of the character. He now feels guilty for unleashing the Void on humanity, especially since, as we soon find out, he wanted to do it unconsciously. This is more in line with Marvel's grimmer characters that exist within the Earth 616.At the end of Volume 2 Sentry destroyed the Void though. And Vol 1 and 2 are set in different continuities; one being Marvel Knights and the other being Earth 616. "Marvel Knights is from the universe 616 "
Yeah, but they're the identifiers that I use. The two Sentrys present are very different. The first Sentry is not a junkie, can not change from Bob to Sentry and is suffering from a more existential despair, whereas the volume 2 Sentry is a more "hard" version of the character. He now feels guilty for unleashing the Void on humanity, especially since, as we soon find out, he wanted to do it unconsciously. This is more in line with Marvel's grimmer characters that exist within the Earth 616. "Yeah, but both share he same continuity, just like Marvel Knights Spider-man, that is where Mac Gargan got the symbiote suit.
" @FadeToBlackBolt said:Yes, but they're not really in continuity. Volume 2 is more of an update/retcon.Yeah, but they're the identifiers that I use. The two Sentrys present are very different. The first Sentry is not a junkie, can not change from Bob to Sentry and is suffering from a more existential despair, whereas the volume 2 Sentry is a more "hard" version of the character. He now feels guilty for unleashing the Void on humanity, especially since, as we soon find out, he wanted to do it unconsciously. This is more in line with Marvel's grimmer characters that exist within the Earth 616. "Yeah, but both share he same continuity, just like Marvel Knights Spider-man, that is where Mac Gargan got the symbiote suit. "
" @Deadcool: @FadeToBlackBolt: Serious discussion in progress. . . I just wanted to know if a comic was good. . . lol. "Oops sorry, yes it is good...
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
Yes, but they're not really in continuity. Volume 2 is more of an update/retcon. "Then, Why do you blame Bendis?
" @Deadcool: Because Bendis turned him into a whimpering weakling. But even that was ok, what was not ok was that the message Bendis sent was that "mentally ill people are psychos and should be killed", rather than the Sentry's original message (in both volumes) of overcoming overwhelming adversity. "Well, Bob has always been evil, Sentry has never been real, and even like that, he was a good guy at the end, because he wanted to be killed, he finally knew who really is him, I enjoyed Siege, Dark Avengers and Most Dark Reign because Osborn and his relation with Bob, Because, Norman, Really wanted to help the Sentry, but, just like Bob, he is crazy, so he couldn't help Bob.
" @Deadcool: Whatever the question, 'blame Bendis' is usually the correct answer. "Except for Ultimate Spidey and Daredevil, Bendis has done nothing good for Marvel.
" @Deadcool: Marvel Knights continuity and how it relates to 616, varies. Some Marvel Knights book are, some are not. Its not a consistent in that respect. Usually there are ways or places you can go to find out which ones are which. "Sorry but that theory is not applicable, same problems could happen when a comic change the writer.
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
Except for Ultimate Spidey and Daredevil, Bendis has done nothing good for Marvel. "EVERYTHING that Bendis writes in ULTIMATE universe is AWESOME, he is also perfect with street level characters, and HEROIC/MORAL speeches.
So when someone screws up considerably, and continues to do so, you're not allowed to draw attention to it because you're mediocre?" @TypingKira said:
" @Deadcool: Whatever the question, 'blame Bendis' is usually a good answer. ""Blaming is the rational answer for the mediocre people" "
" @SC said:Perfect with street level characters? Moon Knight, Wolverine and 616 Spidey beg to differ. Moon Knight's new direction is an insult, Wolverine is a moron in Bendis' books. Seriously Logan said that he alone would handle Wonder Man. WONDER MAN. That fight would last a fifteenth of a second. And Spidey is just Bendis' way of indulging in immature humour. Spider-Man lacks the moral strength of character that has made him so endearing in Bendis books." @Deadcool: Marvel Knights continuity and how it relates to 616, varies. Some Marvel Knights book are, some are not. Its not a consistent in that respect. Usually there are ways or places you can go to find out which ones are which. "Sorry but that theory is not applicable, same problems could happen when a comic change the writer.
@FadeToBlackBolt said:Except for Ultimate Spidey and Daredevil, Bendis has done nothing good for Marvel. "EVERYTHING that Bendis writes in ULTIMATE universe is AWESOME, he is also perfect with street level characters, and HEROIC/MORAL speeches. "
Maybe, Marvel is known to have gray characters, Sentry could be the perfect example." @Deadcool: I think your discussing from a different perspective and context. I generally agree with FadeToBlackBolt's sentiment, your taking the in-universe perspective, we are talking the creative story telling aspects, which grants the writer to change and alter details, so its impossible to suggest Sentry has always been evil. Thats a plot development or character alteration, fictional characters can't be evil etc, just ask Jessica Rabbit. ^_^ "
Damn I loved that movie.
" @SC said:Fallen Sun was Jenkins' way of saying that the Sentry was never, and has never been evil. Bendis mistook the Sentry's paranoid schitzophrenia and telepathic manifestation of another entity as multiple personality disorder. He didn't do the research, he wanted a scapegoat for Siege, and he decided to ruin the Sentry. It's as simple as that.Maybe, Marvel is known to have gray characters, Sentry could be the perfect example. Damn I loved that movie. "" @Deadcool: I think your discussing from a different perspective and context. I generally agree with FadeToBlackBolt's sentiment, your taking the in-universe perspective, we are talking the creative story telling aspects, which grants the writer to change and alter details, so its impossible to suggest Sentry has always been evil. Thats a plot development or character alteration, fictional characters can't be evil etc, just ask Jessica Rabbit. ^_^ "
@SC: Good point, if he hadn't been brought in and then tried that whole 'destroying Asgard/tearing Ares up' thing, then he'd just be another character. I'd like to try writing him personally, he's such a complicated character it could be interesting to try.
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