"Give the Sentry a chance!"
Character » Sentry appears in 695 issues.
"Give the Sentry a chance!"
" @Korg: What is it that you don't like about him ? "Everything. His origin story, his crappy slap-dashing into continuity, spontaneously generating an entire history for his character going back to the golden age. His character is ridiculously inconsistent in his showings of power, and writers cannot decide what to do with the Void. One day Bob is agoraphobic, the next he is schizophrenic, the next he has split personality disorder, then Sentry, Bob, and Void are 3 separate people somehow. There is just nothing to like about his character. He was poorly conceived, poorly implemented, and has not been very well-written, or consistently portrayed by Bendis. He is a walking plot device, who is touted as being the strongest hero in the world (or the universe, depending on what week it is), but somehow struggles to pull off feats that he has surpassed easily in his history. Then there's his power set, and his other very obvious and deliberate similarities to Superman.
" It's been 9 years. I've given him plenty of chances. He's still a terrible character. "Bendis has been writing for him since the his creator was done with him.I'm sure you're aware how bad Bendis can make a character look.
I don't like the void.... stupid idea....
"Bendis has been writing for him since the his creator was done with him.I'm sure you're aware how bad Bendis can make a character look. "I read the Jenkins Marvel Knights series. He wasn't very good there either, and I like Paul Jenkins.
" @Korg said:Seriously. I've relatively liked Sentry in nearly every appearance not related to the avengers." It's been 9 years. I've given him plenty of chances. He's still a terrible character. "Bendis has been writing for him since the his creator was done with him.I'm sure you're aware how bad Bendis can make a character look. "
" One day Bob is agoraphobic, the next he is schizophrenic, the next he has split personality disorder, then Sentry, Bob, and Void are 3 separate people somehow. "I think that's really annoying too. The idea of him having some psychological disorder is an interesting idea and could be cool if they'd stick to one disorder.
" @Vance Astro said:My point is.Jenkins didn't get a chance to take him any further.He went straight to Bendis."Bendis has been writing for him since the his creator was done with him.I'm sure you're aware how bad Bendis can make a character look. "I read the Jenkins Marvel Knights series. He wasn't very good there either, and I like Paul Jenkins. "
"My point is.Jenkins didn't get a chance to take him any further.He went straight to Bendis. "
The reason I royally hate The Sentry is really no fault of the character himself, even though he's pretty silly and a BLATANT "This is what Superman would be like had he been birthed in the Marvel U" analogue. The reason I hate him is that there's ZERO good reason for him, period. If Marvel really wanted to have their own Superman, hey...they just so happen to have had since the 1960's a big, hulking Norse God with a giant hammer, and even a red, flowing cape! WOW!!! And he even had a secret identity or three!
And that's just it...Marvel, for whatever reason, has always been afraid to pull the trigger and TRY to make Thor more than what his Mythology allows him to be. Thor's been one of the company's most well-known and respected characters, by fans and fellow heroes alike, for decades. And yet, Marvel can only seem to have him be an Avengers powerhouse once in awhile, or relegate him to stories within Asgard which are often great, but far from relatable. I'm not talking about any past history, I'm talking about now. The character has been shuffled out of the limelight so often it's really sad, especially when, as has been mentioned, Paul Jenkins gets to come in and create this hoax to forceibly-insert a supposed "lost creation" into continuity.
Thor could have been what The Sentry so desperately wants to be, and most built-in fans would more than likely accept it and respect the choice rather than there being a split audience on the matter. I enjoy where the character has gone since JMS took him over, but watching as that Golden Goof floats around waiting to be used as the plot device he is while The God of Thunder pouts around the Midwest sickens me.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Marvel wants to have a bunch of different histories and alternate takes on things, they need to create a friggin' Multiverse already and knock it off with the MESSIN' AROUND!!! The whole damn point of the original "Ultimate" line was so THAT VERY THING could be done! New takes on old characters! The opportunity for brand-new characters to appear alongside them, because these versions are NOT the same creations that've been running around since the 60's! The Sentry would have been PERFECT if he'd been introduced in "The Ultimates", or even as his own Ultimate series, because it would have been just fine if a Superman-like person had supposedly been there since the start of the Universe. Because he WOULD have been.
/Sentry rant. *Takes deep breath*
" @Vance Astro said:Age of the Sentry never happened.They were bedtime stories told by Reed Richards to Franklin.I'm not trying to convince you to like Sentry.All I am saying is a "good" writer hasn't had a chance to progress the character."My point is.Jenkins didn't get a chance to take him any further.He went straight to Bendis. "My point is, he's a bad character. He is to me as Jean Grey is to you. I just don't find him likable. I don't want to read stories that feature him. Jenkins wrote another series for him in 2005/2006, but apparently that wasn't as popular as his appearances in New Avengers."
Sentry is pretty cool, used to not like him but Dark Avengers changed that.
All I'm saying is Sentry is a bad character. Bendis isn't what makes Sentry terrible. He was terrible to start with, and Bendis kept that ball rolling."All I am saying is a "good" writer hasn't had a chance to progress the character."
I am disgusted by The Sentry and not because he's a ripoff or whatever. I don't think he is at all. I do think he is crap.
Sentry is cool. Personally, I think he should appear in an animated movie, cartoon, or live-action movie soon.
" the idea of how he came to be is original in its self. "He stole a super-soldier serum. How is that original?
"Superman could. Flash could also. Many other characters could, most of them powerhouses/speedsters (like Sentry). Oh wait, they wouldn't have to deal with it, because they could just save all those people, instead of wasting time thinking about not being able to save them. They also have consistent power showings, and speed feats which allow them to do these things, whereas Sentry is handicapped by his psychological disorder du jour.
what other super hero could cope with that? "
"I say give The Sentry a chance, he is getting much better at what he does. "He's getting better at becoming worse? That's pretty much the only thing he's done since his character was created. He currently works for Osborn, so he's not getting better at becoming a hero. He still has trouble (maybe more now than previously) understanding his own powers, so he's not getting better at that. He's still confused as to the existence of the Void/if it will come back/if it's him, so no progress there either. It's been 9 years. He's been in the Avenger's books for over 4. In total, he has well over 100 appearances. Why should anyone give him more chances?
" @dreamcaster said:Wow. I have been giving Sentry a chance since Dark Reign. But.....Ummm......This guy makes some good points." @Korg: What is it that you don't like about him ? "Everything. His origin story, his crappy slap-dashing into continuity, spontaneously generating an entire history for his character going back to the golden age. His character is ridiculously inconsistent in his showings of power, and writers cannot decide what to do with the Void. One day Bob is agoraphobic, the next he is schizophrenic, the next he has split personality disorder, then Sentry, Bob, and Void are 3 separate people somehow. There is just nothing to like about his character. He was poorly conceived, poorly implemented, and has not been very well-written, or consistently portrayed by Bendis. He is a walking plot device, who is touted as being the strongest hero in the world (or the universe, depending on what week it is), but somehow struggles to pull off feats that he has surpassed easily in his history. Then there's his power set, and his other very obvious and deliberate similarities to Superman. "
So what id he had a better Origin? would you start to like him?
" @AtPhantom: Yea,completely change him but still keep the main good things about the Sentry. "But then it would no longer be Sentry.
@Korg said:
" @Lyrad said:Oh my God, you REALLY hate The Sentry don't ya?
" the idea of how he came to be is original in its self. "He stole a super-soldier serum. How is that original?
@Lyrad said:
"Superman could. Flash could also. Many other characters could, most of them powerhouses/speedsters (like Sentry). Oh wait, they wouldn't have to deal with it, because they could just save all those people, instead of wasting time thinking about not being able to save them. They also have consistent power showings, and speed feats which allow them to do these things, whereas Sentry is handicapped by his psychological disorder du jour.
what other super hero could cope with that? "
@Lyrad said:
"I say give The Sentry a chance, he is getting much better at what he does. "He's getting better at becoming worse? That's pretty much the only thing he's done since his character was created. He currently works for Osborn, so he's not getting better at becoming a hero. He still has trouble (maybe more now than previously) understanding his own powers, so he's not getting better at that. He's still confused as to the existence of the Void/if it will come back/if it's him, so no progress there either. It's been 9 years. He's been in the Avenger's books for over 4. In total, he has well over 100 appearances. Why should anyone give him more chances? "
" @Sirnoobsalot: Not a rip-off? So the fact that he's a brand-new Marvel character that has the following similarities to Superman: *Ahem* Nigh-unbeatable, underwear-on-the-outside costume, big visible "S" on the front of his costume, flowing cape, married, a billion powers that lend themselves to being invented on the spot, he showed-up just in time to become the powerhouse The New Avengers just so happened to need at the time, and an evil mastermind as his main villain. Oh, but the Shamaylaman-ian twist? His villain is HIMSELF!!! *Gasp* He's Schitzo-Supes! I'm sorry, truly, but you can spell rip-off R-I-P-O-F-F or S-E-N-T-R-Y, either way it all adds-up to the same giant pile of unoriginal fecal-matter that Paul Jenkins sold to Joe Quesada for a shiney nickel. "Wanna cheap way to crap upon Stan Lee's history? Go get it Joe, go get it! Fetch, Joe!" "... You sir, are slightly too into this. If he is a ripoff or not, honestly, no one should care. Tony Stark was Marvel's "answer" to Batman. In the same sence, Sentry could be seen as their answer to Superman; sure. However, Sentry doesn't suck because he's a ripoff, or looks like Supe, or wtf ever lame ass excuse you thought up. Sentry needs to burn in hell because of mere principle. His existence says, "No matter the history, no matter the continuity, I can write in any character with any power any way I want. This includes, but is not limited to: determining he is responsible for famous characters interactions, he is responsible for helping characters past issues they NEVER HAD, and of course, just for kicks, he is damn near the most powerful hero EVER! I know, totally awesome right?" The prevention of that idea, that concept, is why Sentry needs to be removed. Continuity... THAT is Sentry's sin. Not some vague similarities to a DC character of grand fame.
Could have fooled me."I'm not disputing your points "
My argument about inconsistencies isn't flawed, and here's why. I'll use Superman as an example, since you did, for whatever reason. Superman evolved as a character over 70 years, under many different writers, editors, and titles. Sentry shows inconsistent feats from one issue of the three Avengers series to the next. Bendis himself portrays him in very different ways in the space of a few issues, and is constantly messing with his power levels. When Superman first appeared, he was significantly weaker than he is now. However, he didn't go from lifting a car to throwing an aircraft carrier in the space of a few issues. Sentry's power levels, and his powers themselves, alter pretty drastically from one month to the next."your argument is flawed when it comes to inconsistences. "
You're assuming I like Superman in the first place."If Superman was only 9 years old, would you be hating him too? "
Yep, I assumed. Sorry. I'm sure you understand why I assumed.You're assuming I like Superman in the first place."If Superman was only 9 years old, would you be hating him too? "
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"Sentry had his chance to be cool in World War Hulk, but he (technically the writer) blew it. I'm done giving him chances. "
I didnt know much about him pre dark reign but to me he just seems like Marvels Superman which in saying so i should instantly take a disliking to but i'm holding out judgement for a while to see what happens, if anything.
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