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    A secondary mutation is something certain mutants develop. It is just a new power they recieve at a seperate time from receiving their first.

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    #1  Edited By EdwardWindsor

    Some of the best loved xmen and mravel charecters have had new abilties and mutations spawn from there original abilties, what is your dream secondary mutation, or a complimentray abilty from power evolution.

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    #2  Edited By EdwardWindsor

    iam gonna go for either elxir being ablle to alter genetics via thought rahter than touch  as a power evolution and for a secondary mutation i will say gentle gtes a vibranuim form which he cna use short term so he cna attack at a higher lvl for longer.

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    #3  Edited By kore

    Some of the secondary mutations make absolutely no sense. For example, why give Emma Frost diamond skin?

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    #4  Edited By DEGRAAF
    @lazystudent said:
    "iam gonna go for either elxir being ablle to alter genetics via thought rahter than touch  as a power evolution and for a secondary mutation i will say gentle gtes a vibranuim form which he cna use short term so he cna attack at a higher lvl for longer. "

    whos the second guy you mention?
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    #5  Edited By EdwardWindsor
    @kore:  i think that was mostly to set here aside form other telepaths and give the charcter more depth
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    #6  Edited By hdorman1

    maybe give scott greater control
    or other vision based powers

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    #7  Edited By kore
    @lazystudent said:
    " @kore:  i think that was mostly to set here aside form other telepaths and give the charcter more depth "
    Maybe, personally I think the sole reason was to fill the void left by Colossus.
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    #8  Edited By EdwardWindsor

     @kore:  possibly 
     
    @DEGRAAF:  gentle is a a young xmen he has hulk lvl potential strenght but everytime he uses them he comes closer to dieing , he has vibranuim tattoos that contain his power and keep him alive but they will only last so long
     

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    #9  Edited By Pania

    I can't stand secondary mutations, especially when they have nothing to do with the initial mutation, such as Emma's diamond form.
     
    It's just power stacking serving as a replacement for imaginative writing. I enjoy it much more when writer find new and interesting way character can use their existing powers rather than just adding more powers onto a character.

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    #10  Edited By EdwardWindsor

    i did say new way in using a power thats the prefered fro em hence why i said elixir having creator control being able to do his stuff without touch for example , i agree addin ga power for the sake of it is lazy but it cna inhance a charecter to

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    #11  Edited By DEGRAAF

    im actually disappointed and suprised that scott has never got control over his powers or had something come out stating that his powers were so great and powerful that he couldnt contain them but instead he is like the runt of the family
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    #12  Edited By Pania
    @DEGRAAF: I wish they had let what Whedon did with him in Astonishing stick.
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    #13  Edited By DEGRAAF
    @Pania said:
    "@DEGRAAF: I wish they had let what Whedon did with him in Astonishing stick. "

    what did he do to him?
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    #14  Edited By xerox_kitty
    @Pania said:
    " I can't stand secondary mutations, especially when they have nothing to do with the initial mutation, such as Emma's diamond form.  It's just power stacking serving as a replacement for imaginative writing. I enjoy it much more when writer find new and interesting way character can use their existing powers rather than just adding more powers onto a character. "
    Thanks for saying that for me! 
     
    I'll only add that writers must be very bored if they have nothing better to do than add secondary mutations.  
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    #15  Edited By pixelized
    @Pania said:
    " I can't stand secondary mutations, especially when they have nothing to do with the initial mutation, such as Emma's diamond form.  It's just power stacking serving as a replacement for imaginative writing. I enjoy it much more when writer find new and interesting way character can use their existing powers rather than just adding more powers onto a character. "
    i agree with the emma bit. So left field. Ellis [was it him?] couldn't use Colossus so he made Emma a diamond? mkay.
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    #16  Edited By kimmycat

    I thought Emma got her diamond powers from Cassandra Nova? Maybe I'm wrong? I'm a little foggy on the whole thing.

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    #17  Edited By xerox_kitty
    @pixelized said:
    " @Pania said:
    " I can't stand secondary mutations, especially when they have nothing to do with the initial mutation, such as Emma's diamond form.  It's just power stacking serving as a replacement for imaginative writing. I enjoy it much more when writer find new and interesting way character can use their existing powers rather than just adding more powers onto a character. "
    i agree with the emma bit. So left field. Ellis [was it him?] couldn't use Colossus so he made Emma a diamond? mkay. "
    Grant Morrison.  Although he made Emma mainstream-popular, he decided that she should have a diamond power because she's rich, glamourous & cold like a diamond.  Weak. 
     
    @kimmycat said:
    " I thought Emma got her diamond powers from Cassandra Nova? Maybe I'm wrong? I'm a little foggy on the whole thing. "
    I might be wrong, but I believe that was something Whedon wrote in years later in Astonishing.  Even so... it was years too late to justify why a telepath needs a physical power. 
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    #18  Edited By kimmycat
    @xerox-kitty: Oh ok, that sounds right. I couldn't remember if that was revealed in Astonishing or New X-Men but I think you're right.
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    #19  Edited By pixelized

    It was in New X-Men, Cass asks Em if she likes Diamonds.
     
    @xerox-kitty said:

    " @pixelized said:
    " @Pania said:
    " I can't stand secondary mutations, especially when they have nothing to do with the initial mutation, such as Emma's diamond form.  It's just power stacking serving as a replacement for imaginative writing. I enjoy it much more when writer find new and interesting way character can use their existing powers rather than just adding more powers onto a character. "
    i agree with the emma bit. So left field. Ellis [was it him?] couldn't use Colossus so he made Emma a diamond? mkay. "
    Grant Morrison.  Although he made Emma mainstream-popular, he decided that she should have a diamond power because she's rich, glamourous & cold like a diamond.  Weak. 

    thank you.
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    #20  Edited By Valkaad
    @DEGRAAF said:
    "im actually disappointed and suprised that scott has never got control over his powers or had something come out stating that his powers were so great and powerful that he couldnt contain them but instead he is like the runt of the family "

    He cannot control his powers because he injured that part of his brain when he was a child in an airplane accident.
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    #21  Edited By danhimself
    @DEGRAAF said:
    "im actually disappointed and suprised that scott has never got control over his powers or had something come out stating that his powers were so great and powerful that he couldnt contain them but instead he is like the runt of the family "

    Scott can't control his powers because of a head injury that happened when he was a kid
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    #22  Edited By Valkaad
    @danhimself said:
    "@DEGRAAF said:
    "im actually disappointed and suprised that scott has never got control over his powers or had something come out stating that his powers were so great and powerful that he couldnt contain them but instead he is like the runt of the family "
    Scott can't control his powers because of a head injury that happened when he was a kid "

    Isn't that what I just said?
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    #23  Edited By cracks

    lol

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    #24  Edited By EdwardWindsor

    couldnt they just get elixir to fix that part of scotts brain and give him greater control

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    #25  Edited By Watch Dog
    @Pania said:
    " I can't stand secondary mutations, especially when they have nothing to do with the initial mutation, such as Emma's diamond form.  It's just power stacking serving as a replacement for imaginative writing. I enjoy it much more when writer find new and interesting way character can use their existing powers rather than just adding more powers onto a character. "
    I agree with this hole statement. I am not a fan of secondary mutations 
     
    @Valkaad said:
    " @DEGRAAF said:
    "im actually disappointed and suprised that scott has never got control over his powers or had something come out stating that his powers were so great and powerful that he couldnt contain them but instead he is like the runt of the family "
    He cannot control his powers because he injured that part of his brain when he was a child in an airplane accident. "
    that is correct.
     
    @lazystudent said:
    " couldnt they just get elixir to fix that part of scotts brain and give him greater control "
    that's a good point they should do that.
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    #26  Edited By joshmightbe

    im surprised they havent tried to blame prof. x for scott's lack of controll, theyre blaming him for everything else lately

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    #27  Edited By EdwardWindsor
    @Watch Dog:  elixir is a walking plothole , i think hes an awesome idea , but he could fix scotts control issues , possibly sentrys wrecked mind and severla otehr body realted issue that are about in the marvel universe but they wont do it since would just be to simple lol
     
     @joshmightbe: lol yeah that excuse is getting alittle tired
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    #28  Edited By Watch Dog
    @lazystudent: Well Elixir can only fix what he knows how that's why the Cuckoos psychicly down loaded all of Beast medical knowledge in to his head but theirs still stuff he cant fix.
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    #29  Edited By EdwardWindsor
    @Watch Dog:  yeah if he tried right off if he reaserched thou techically he could fix anything, if for example he combined pyshicology with medicine he would be able to solve chemical inbalances etc that cause issues with someones mind
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    #30  Edited By Watch Dog
    @lazystudent: I don't know about that the brain is a complex place theres stuff that no one knows
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    #31  Edited By EdwardWindsor
    @Watch Dog: true but then again elixir is omega class and with a little specialist guidance he should be capable of fixing pretty much anything
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    #32  Edited By Watch Dog
    @lazystudent: I guess so
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    #33  Edited By Moomin123

    I'd like to see Collosus' ability mutate up to the point where he can change the type of metal that covers his skin. Like, if he wanted to charge an electrical object with lightning, his skin could turn copper.
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    #34  Edited By EdwardWindsor
    @Moomin123:  thats intresting , would it be any metal or only metals he touched for example since if he could touch logans claws or caps sheild he would be a real monster lol
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    #35  Edited By Erik
    @lazystudent said:
    " couldnt they just get elixir to fix that part of scotts brain and give him greater control "
    There is nothing wrong with Scott's brain. You cannot physically heal a mental decision. Read Whedon's Astonishing run.
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    #36  Edited By Erik
    @Moomin123 said:
    " I'd like to see Collosus' ability mutate up to the point where he can change the type of metal that covers his skin. Like, if he wanted to charge an electrical object with lightning, his skin could turn copper. "
    I hate that idea no offense. To me it is just as bad as say, giving Wolverine the secondary mutation to create multiples of himself like Multiple Man. 
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    #37  Edited By EdwardWindsor
    @erik:  there is actualy he has some form of damage form fall if i remeber rightly
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    #38  Edited By Erik
    @lazystudent said:
    " @erik:  there is actualy he has some form of damage form fall if i remeber rightly "
    That is what Cyclops always said because he repressed the memory he had of making the decision to never be in control of his power. There is actually no damage to his brain. 
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    #39  Edited By EdwardWindsor

    ah well  then elixir could infact help him by boosting his hormone levels making him more confident with powers and increase control

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    #40  Edited By Erik
    @lazystudent said:
    " ah well  then elixir could infact help him by boosting his hormone levels making him more confident with powers and increase control "
    I really doubt that would work. Read Whedon's Astonishing run seriously. In my opinion it makes Cyclops a badass. 
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    #41  Edited By EdwardWindsor

    well if ist pyschicla josh could help and mental he has emma to help him really he only wears the visor by chocie now since could eaily be fixed to have more contorl over it, as for the run will look into it

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    #42  Edited By John Valentine
    @lazystudent said:
    " ah well  then elixir could infact help him by boosting his hormone levels making him more confident with powers and increase control "
    You're suggesting that Scott undergoes hormone therapy? Ha. 
    Why does he not, try prescription meds (although, a mutant who could control/maitain the optimum hormone levels in the brain would be far better seeing as the treatment would be adapted for Scott's condition specifically)?
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    #43  Edited By Erik
    @lazystudent said:
    " well if ist pyschicla josh could help and mental he has emma to help him really he only wears the visor by chocie now since could eaily be fixed to have more contorl over it, as for the run will look into it "
    Elixir would not be able to do anything at all. Emma was only able to show him his own memory. Cyclops was the only one who actually did anything about his powers. 
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    #44  Edited By DEGRAAF

    second mutation- Daken- ability to transform in to a where-wolf types wolverine
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    #45  Edited By EdwardWindsor
    @John Valentine:  standar human meds would probs be useless , would need beast to get his chemistry set out 
     
    @erik: how do you know this? he is somehow restricting himself forcing himself to be restrained with his abilty and gives him less contorl hence why he needs the visor
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    it was in Astonishing X-Men #14

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