@spiderbat87 said:
@Mbecks14 said:
@spiderbat87 said:
Oh come on now "borderline pornographic" is a complete exaggeration, there's more sexual content in a news paper than there is in this comic. There is plenty of comics that cater to a younger demographic but this is a comic with the Red Hood and Arsenal, two stone cold killers, what where they expecting puppy dogs and rainbows? Why should they be dumbed down for the kids instead of Starfire being made more edgy? This is a book about a group of teenagers, of course there going to talk about sex, in real life some people just like to have sex for the sake of having sex why shouldn't that be shown in comicbooks? I mean really it's a comic that showed a girl in a bikini that talked about having sex and people are acting like they where shown full on orgy's or something. Every one is like "omg a girl talked about having sex, she used to be so nice on the cartoon" but its not that when the children orientated Brave and the Bold is on and it comes to the comics when Batman is braking guys arms and smashing there face of walls? Why is violence being shown so much more acceptable than sex being talked about?
Yeah a lot of comics that cater to younger audiences are for really young audiences like 6-9. 10-15 year olds are in a very awkward limbo where they don't want to be reading little kiddy comics and can handle more complicated stories. But did you see the images in Catwoman? It was kinda gross. I'm a liberally minded 19 year old male. And it even made me uncomfortable. I have a brother who's 12. I would NEVER hand him Red Hood/Outlaws. Kids going into a comic book store aren't going to know the history of Arsenal and Red Hood, but they might pick up Red Hood/Outlaws for starfire. It's fine to have a more grown up version of the characters for a book like this. Sex is fine to talk about in books too. But it's the WAY that it is portrayed.
Starfire was basically naked and the way she was talking about sex, she sounded like a skank. And it was completely out of character. That's what the problem is with the situation.
Sex is a more mature topic. And yeah it's ok to include in some books with some characters. Like in Detective Comics, Batman has sex with a reporter. But it happens off panel, and it's flirty and almost innocent. Not "i like sex. let's fuck."
You're clearly not mature enough if you can't see why Red Hood/Outlaws is flawed and how it could possibly alienate new readers. Comics need to work with the success of their cartoons, basic math.
I'm 24 I'm pretty sure am mature enough. You'r obviously not as liberally minded as you make out, basically naked? she was in a bikini, do girls not wear bikinis at the beach where you live? It was fully in her character, you clearly only know her through the cartoon where she was completely out of character. All she was doing was talking about having sex while wearing a bikini, you can switch on any tv channel at around 5 in the afternoon and see the same thing. Have you even read the series or are you just going off of what other people have told you? Catwoman is far more racy as it has a basic sex scene in it and that's why it's rated T+.
Are you kidding me? Her suit barely covers her tits. She's wearing two napkins with string haha. Girls wear bikinis, i work at a pool, i see bikinis all the time. I know Starfire from the comics and the show. Her original appearances in the New Teen Titans, she was bubbly, naiive, and cheerful, with a temper and a thing for Robin/Nightwing. In the tv show for children, she is basically that but dumbed down and exaggerated for comedic purposes for a younger audience. In more recent Teen Titans comics, Starfire is older, more mature and she does have sex and likes it and it a little tempermental. I can't speak for her portrayal beyond the first issue, but the big issue is that the DCnu is supposed to bring in new and young readers. Starfire is a recognizable character (from the TV show). A lot more recognizable than Arsenal and Red Hood. So when younger people pick up the book to see her, and they find this emotionless tramp, that's a problem. Starfire has always viewed sex as pleasurable because of the emotional and personal connection. Not just to have platonic robo-sex with randies. She mostly has only slept with Dick Grayson, who she loves. In the first issue Starfire came off as a male fantasy doll. Sexy, dumb, aloof, and always willing to fuck for fun. She doesn't have to be the sugary sweet naiive little alien girl from the animated series. But she shouldn't be this.
Overall i don't care if starfire has sex with Jason or Roy. It's the way she did it. and it's the way it was written as just "Let's bang". And it's just so counter-productive of the entire new 52. If you enjoy the book for the sex and violence that's great. But because you have that in there a whole different audience is alienated. The book is only for 15-16+ male audiences who read comics and know C list characters. Instead of a wider range of ages and genders who they could have roped in through the tv show. It's just a bad marketing stategy.
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