OK, I have some questions about the Scarlet Witch's power, as it relates to the Children's Crusade and Avengers vs X-Men.
 
As I understand it, some time ago, Wanda gained the power of the Life Force, which she used to do the whole "no more mutants" thing.  The Life Force is the retcon explanation for how her power was elevated to the level at which she could accomplish such a thing.
 
Then she disappeared, and was later found, amnesiatic, during Children's Crusade.

Eventually, she and Wiccan and Doom were going to cast a spell to give the mutants their powers back.  But Patriot intervened, and the spell was interrupted.  This had the result of her losing the Life Force, and Doom gaining it.  He went nuts with power, of course. 

Now, it's important to emphasize how powerful the Life Force is--Doom says it was more powerful than when he had the power of the Beyonder (which of course we have to understand as the power of the retconned Beyonder, but still, that's pretty powerful). 

Wanda figured out how to beat Doom--by opening the portal to the Life Force at full blast. Doom succumbed and lost the Life Force (in one of his few willpower failures ever, I should note). BUT, it does NOT seem like Wanda gets the Life Force back, from what I can tell.

Once Doom loses the power, he inexplicably (to my mind) says "You think you were powerful enough to destroy the Avengers and rid the world of its mutants?  That was me.  That was Doom."  I have no idea what he means by this. 

Anyway, there is no evidence, as far as I can tell, that Wanda gets the Life Force back.  She has her normal powers, as far as I can tell, at the end of Children's Crusade.

 
BUT, in Avengers vs X-Men, Wanda is shown to be extremely powerful--she is essentially the only person able to stand up to the Pheonix 5.  Now, I find it hard to believe that NORMAL Wanda could do this.  It seems to me that only the Life Force-amped Wanda (which according to Doom would put her above post-retcon Beyonder) would be able to stand up to the Pheonix power.
 
So my question is, do you think Wanda lost the power of the Life Force at the end of Children's Crusade?  If you think she got it back, can you show any scan from Children's Crusade (or elsewhere) that says that she got it back?  OR, if she didn't get it back, then how do you think she's facing up to the Pheonix, considering that her previous high-level feats were only accomplished with the aid of the Life Force? 
 
And, what the heck does Doom mean when he says that he's the one who got rid of the mutants?
 
Thanks for your help.

maybe she is tapping into the phoenix force since they are saying her powers are connected to it or maybe the phoenix force is derived from the life force or the life force is apart of the phoenix force

maybe she is tapping into the phoenix force since they are saying her powers are connected to it or maybe the phoenix force is derived from the life force or the life force is apart of the phoenix force

I think what's being shown in AvX isn't that Wanda is as powerful as the Phoenix, but that her powers interact with it in a way that messes with it just because of the nature of her energies.

I think what's being shown in AvX isn't that Wanda is as powerful as the Phoenix, but that her powers interact with it in a way that messes with it just because of the nature of her energies.

Wanda's powers have never really been fully explained or understood so it's really hard to say just how powerful she is

Wanda's powers have never really been fully explained or understood so it's really hard to say just how powerful she is

@Owie said:

@Buckshot said:

I think what's being shown in AvX isn't that Wanda is as powerful as the Phoenix, but that her powers interact with it in a way that messes with it just because of the nature of her energies.

But the extent or intensity of those powers must be fairly high in order to mess with it so much, right? Don't you feel that she seems more powerful than in her classic state? Would you say this points to her still having the Life Force, or just a general improvement in her power level from back in the day? Or something else?

Something else. It seems clear to me that it's the nature of her power, not the amount of it that is what's making her an issue for the Phoenix. In AvX 7 when Stark is analyzing the data of their fight he mentions that there's a connection between the energies of her hex field and the phoenix force, one that causes them both to accelerate when they mingle. It's like a chemical reaction, the two things don't mix well. Doesn't mean her power is necessarily on the level of the Phoenix.

@Owie said:

@Buckshot said:

I think what's being shown in AvX isn't that Wanda is as powerful as the Phoenix, but that her powers interact with it in a way that messes with it just because of the nature of her energies.

But the extent or intensity of those powers must be fairly high in order to mess with it so much, right? Don't you feel that she seems more powerful than in her classic state? Would you say this points to her still having the Life Force, or just a general improvement in her power level from back in the day? Or something else?

Something else. It seems clear to me that it's the nature of her power, not the amount of it that is what's making her an issue for the Phoenix. In AvX 7 when Stark is analyzing the data of their fight he mentions that there's a connection between the energies of her hex field and the phoenix force, one that causes them both to accelerate when they mingle. It's like a chemical reaction, the two things don't mix well. Doesn't mean her power is necessarily on the level of the Phoenix.

Seems as though Wanda's powers derive from chaos magic which are from Chthon, maybe because her powers come from him and he and phoenix are from the dawn of creation, so maybe Wanda's power can hurt the phoenix to an extent or they are linked together like a twin nexus and Wanda can tap into it as well.

Seems as though Wanda's powers derive from chaos magic which are from Chthon, maybe because her powers come from him and he and phoenix are from the dawn of creation, so maybe Wanda's power can hurt the phoenix to an extent or they are linked together like a twin nexus and Wanda can tap into it as well.

@Owie: Well the life force stuff that is happening in childrens crusade is confusing the hell out of me. Wanda would have been a mutant regarless, probably with her ability to affect probablilty on a small scale. Chthon's application of chaos magic to her gave her more potential than she was suppose to have naturally. gave her a high affinity for magics a s well.

adding most of your theories together i came up with this. with the power Chthon bestowed on Wanda, and the fact that both Chthon and the Phoenix are both from the dawn of creation they may have simlar energy. stark realises that their is a connection between the energies produced by the p-force and the hex bolts, and that they dont mingle properly. Chthon is a master of choas magic, destruction. the phoenix is an entity that burns away the old to make room for the new, rebirth. is it possible that the two energies dont react well and cause the scarlet witch to get more powerful? this could explain why she seems so powerful in AvX despite having lost the Life Force.

adding most of your theories together i came up with this. with the power Chthon bestowed on Wanda, and the fact that both Chthon and the Phoenix are both from the dawn of creation they may have simlar energy. stark realises that their is a connection between the energies produced by the p-force and the hex bolts, and that they dont mingle properly. Chthon is a master of choas magic, destruction. the phoenix is an entity that burns away the old to make room for the new, rebirth. is it possible that the two energies dont react well and cause the scarlet witch to get more powerful? this could explain why she seems so powerful in AvX despite having lost the Life Force.