SuicideGirls Banned From San Diego Comic-Con?

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Posted by No_Name_ (17403 posts) - - Show Bio

Read Comic-Con's response here
 
Packed with thousands of fans and members of the media, San Diego Comic Con is the largest comic book convention in the United States. If you have ever been a member of the media or comic book industry, then you know that obtaining a booth at San Diego International can be difficult, something the SuicideGirls know all about considering they have been on the waiting list since 2006. When Missy Suicide called SDCC organizers once again this year to request a booth for her girls at the show, she was told that her company, the SuicideGirls, had been banned from San Diego Comic Con. You might recall the SuicideGirls' appearance in Hack/Slash, when Cassie Hack became a SuicideGirl in the series published by Devils Due Comics. We caught up with Missy to find out what happened. 

"We have applied for a booth for four years," says Missy Suicide, co-founder of the Suicide Girls, a website community that 'celebrates alternative beauty and alternative culture from all over the world.' "We applied for a booth since 2006, so the last four years. There are companies that were created in 2006 that have obtained booths before us. We had a booth at WonderCon this year and [the Suicide Girls] have had a significant [amount of] participation and consistent presence at San Diego Comic Con. "
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Missy was shocked when she first heard that the Suicide Girls had been banned. She questioned why Comic-Con had not brought the matter to her attention sooner, but rather had waited to tell her until after she submitted a request for a booth at their upcoming show.  "When I called Rod Mojika, [Comic-Con's go to guy for exhibits and sales] to ask about setting up a booth for the SuicideGirls at San Diego Comic Con, I was told that we had been banned from having a significant presence at their show." In a conversation with Mojika, Ms. Suicide was told that a member of the San Diego Comic-Con Board-of-Directors had purchased a Suicide Girls adult DVD at WonderCon and had not been carded. The same individual also stated that he had witnessed a Suicide Girl sell a DVD to a minor without requesting proper identification.  

If this is true, then is this member of the Comic-Con Board of Directors essentially accusing the SuicideGirls of distributing pornographic material to a minor? And if this is indeed true, then why wasn't Missy Suicide contacted regarding the incident sooner?

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In a conversation with LAWeekly, Missy stated that she instructs all of the Suicide Girls who are present at the conventions to check ID's at their booths for "anyone who looks under 30. We have a large sign up at our booth[s] that says 'You must be 18+ with ID to purchase."

When asked whether the SuicideGirls were indeed banned, Comic-Con International's Director of Marketing and Public Relations David Glanzer told the LAWeekly that no one is banned.
""No one is banned...My understanding is that SuicideGirls didn't have a booth and there is a 400+ waiting list...We got a report that they were handing out material that was not all ages appropriate. It's happened before where companies have not complied with our standards ... Does that mean that they're banned for life? No, we don't do that. Next year could be a different thing."

Glancing at Comic-Con's general terms and conditions exhibitor contract, nowhere in the contract does it explicitly state that materials sold at the convention must be "All ages appropriate." However, under article six of the contract, it does state that in order to sell adult materials, the retailer would need prior written permission of SDCC; something the SuicideGirls must have obtained in order to distribute their merchandise at Wondercon.  

Missy Suicide wants the conflict resolved. "We were told the convention was already too full and that the waiting list is too long. We love Comic-Con. We love having our girls fly from Canada and across the United States to attend the show. We want to clear this up." San Diego Comic Con could not be reached for comment.
#1 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio

wow Comicon keeps getting lamer :(

#2 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

If they actually sold one of the DVDs without checking ID then I see no problem banning them.

#3 Posted by MrMazz (1139 posts) - - Show Bio

.....Fox can get Glee and other crap shows in but the suicide girls are banned? i mean i know its all about the money but REALLY
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#4 Posted by GothamBat (644 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula: 
I agree. I love the SG.
#5 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio

Unlucky for the people who are friends of the people who go there, because they could have had a chance to google at them.

#6 Edited by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@GothamBat said:

" @Caligula:  I agree. I love the SG. "

true and the sad thing is the Suicide Girls actually have more to do with comics than half of the other booths at the con, i mean at least they often dress in super heroine garb i.e. Catwoman Supergirl and such
#7 Posted by AoS (38 posts) - - Show Bio

good keep the victim of childhood incest crowd out
#8 Edited by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@AoS said:

" good keep the victim of childhood incest crowd out "

if you would rather mingle with the crack heads that brought you X-Men Origins Wolverine, and the cast of Glee go right ahead
#9 Posted by Vance Astro (91111 posts) - - Show Bio

Good.

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#10 Posted by RiceFox (153 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't see what's wrong with this. It's not the end of their website, and if anything, this controversy will help them. Just like GTA and Mortal Kombat.
 
This is the first I've heard of SuicideGirls.

#11 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio

Can.....someone tell me what Suicidegirls are, exactly? I get the idea that they're pornography or something, and I read their wikipedia page but I still don't really get it. Is it porn of fictional characters or something? Why is this even at Comic-Con, if so?
 
I'm confused.

#12 Posted by anarchcorp (44 posts) - - Show Bio

I have nothing against the Suicide Girls, in fact I kinda like the concept. 
 
However much the cast of Glee I don't see what they have to do with Comic-con.

#13 Posted by MysterioMaximus (931 posts) - - Show Bio

This is a tragic day...

#14 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sparda said:
" Can.....someone tell me what Suicidegirls are, exactly? I get the idea that they're pornography or something, and I read their wikipedia page but I still don't really get it. Is it porn of fictional characters or something? Why is this even at Comic-Con, if so?  I'm confused. "
the SuicideGirls are one of the three essentials to a fulfilled life, the other two beings comics and (ACCESS DENIED)
 
they are not fictional characters, they're a group of pin-up models who excel at being the opposite of the stereotypes so they are like wild partiers, lots of tattoos and piercings, those kind of things...they're like feminists, only naked
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#15 Posted by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio

so they banned a pornsite?

#16 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
"those kind of things...they're like feminists, only naked "
Sounds pretty good to me.
 
So.....they go to Comic-Con just to make all the sweaty guys feel nervous? :P
#17 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sparda said:
" Can.....someone tell me what Suicidegirls are, exactly? I get the idea that they're pornography or something, and I read their wikipedia page but I still don't really get it. Is it porn of fictional characters or something? Why is this even at Comic-Con, if so?  I'm confused. "
they are alternative models. tattooed and such. and often times they dress up like fictional characters. and they are only slightly pornographic. kind of like playboy. no sex or anything, really it's just modeling.
 
but they have far more business at the con, than about 50 percent of the other booths which have absolutely zero to do with comics.
#18 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:
" @Sparda said:
" Can.....someone tell me what Suicidegirls are, exactly? I get the idea that they're pornography or something, and I read their wikipedia page but I still don't really get it. Is it porn of fictional characters or something? Why is this even at Comic-Con, if so?  I'm confused. "
they are alternative models. tattooed and such. and often times they dress up like fictional characters. and they are only slightly pornographic. kind of like playboy. no sex or anything, really it's just modeling.  but they have far more business at the con, than about 50 percent of the other booths which have absolutely zero to do with comics. "
Oh, doesn't sound so bad.
 
I guess if they really were selling DVDs to minors, that's a pretty serious offense for something like a Comic-Con, though. Dunno if it's ban-worthy.
#19 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
@Sparda said:
" @aztek the lost said:
"those kind of things...they're like feminists, only naked "
Sounds pretty good to me.  So.....they go to Comic-Con just to make all the sweaty guys feel nervous? :P "
and so LAMP can get us some nice videos...
 
but they have to with Cassie Hack as the article mentions, that's comics
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#20 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sparda said:
" @aztek the lost said:
"those kind of things...they're like feminists, only naked "
Sounds pretty good to me.  So.....they go to Comic-Con just to make all the sweaty guys feel nervous? :P "
How could you be nervous when you are dressed like Wolverine?
#21 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sparda: you know they have an intro video that explains themselves that I could show you...but you're a minor :P
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#22 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
" @Sparda: you know they have an intro video that explains themselves that I could show you...but you're a minor :P "
BURN!
#23 Posted by Sparda (15795 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost:  WAIT, WAIT, what classifies minor?
 
Because, I'm, like, totally turning eighteen in two months! I'M ALMOST THERE, RIGHT?
#24 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@Sparda: sorry kid, rules are rules, we may not card at our booths but on forums unrelated to our website we don't allow any of that kind of criminal activity!
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#25 Posted by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
@Sparda said:
" @aztek the lost said:
"those kind of things...they're like feminists, only naked "
Sounds pretty good to me.  So.....they go to Comic-Con just to make all the sweaty guys feel nervous? :P "
and so LAMP can get us some nice videos...  but they have to with Cassie Hack as the article mentions, that's comics "

oh i know! art is beautiful aint it, especially when they...well im not goin there
#26 Posted by PrinceIMC (5421 posts) - - Show Bio

See my issue is if they were selling stuff to minors they really should have been talked to before now. That's why I think its kinda BS. I love the Suicide Girls, they deserve a booth at comic-con.

#27 Posted by ForbushBug (496 posts) - - Show Bio

Maybe they got banned for their fifteen minutes expiring. SGs gotten so cliched that all the girls are starting to look alike, ironic as that might sound. They've got as much of a "look"  as the mainstream media they're supposed be be an alternative to. And if they didn't card, SDCC doesn't owe them anything more than a "later, taters." When you run an event the size of the Comic-Con, you don't need anyone that'll bring you heat. In the future, maybe SG shouldn't rely on a sign and card everyone instead of relying on their models to guess ages.

#28 Posted by RiceFox (153 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
I'd say porn could be art. Just like everything else...
#29 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@RiceFox said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
I'd say porn could be art. Just like everything else... "
actually you have it in reverse, art is porn...artworks have been pornographic for hundreds more years then porn has been deemed taboo
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#30 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost said:
" @RiceFox said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
I'd say porn could be art. Just like everything else... "
actually you have it in reverse, art is porn...artworks have been pornographic for hundreds more years then porn has been deemed taboo "
true, when did nudity become "evil" i'll never understand it.
#31 Posted by Shanana (52891 posts) - - Show Bio

WOW...

#32 Edited by jakob187 (998 posts) - - Show Bio

They "celebrate alternative beauty"?  Are you kidding me?!?!  LAWL 
 
It's alternative porn, plain and simple that takes advantage of chicks by making them pay for their own photo shoots, charge a membership fee to view their site, and the girls see next to nothing coming their way for being models.  They are pressured into going as close to full nudity as possible, and they are REQUIRED to have tattoos and piercings. 
 

@Caligula

said:

". no sex or anything, really it's just modeling."

WRONG!  One of my friends had submitted clothed photos to them, and they said that she would be one of the girls.  Because of that, she got a free membership.  I had told her that I thought it was a bad idea, but whatever...it's her body, she can do what she wants. 
 
Eventually, she said "hey, take a look at this s#!%...this is the kind of stuff they want me to do".  We would sit in our apartment and look through the photos, and there was plenty of pornographic material in there of sexual acts.  Once she realized what the site was really about, and after reading a ton of horror stories about how the girls didn't see any type of money in return and were paying hundreds of dollars for photo shoots in order for Suicide Girls to make all the money off their nude bodies, she said "eff that" and gave 'em the finger. 
 
AND EVEN BEYOND THAT...they don't celebrate "alternative beauty".  The idea of alternative beauty is that body type doesn't matter, whether it's 100lbs or 180lbs, hell...even 250lbs.  Suicide Girls won't even make you a featured girl if you are over a certain weight limit.  THEY STILL GO BY WHAT THE IDEA OF "MODELING" IS IN POPULAR SOCIETY!!!
 
At least Burning Angel is completely upfront and honest about being alternative porn, as sleazy as that place is.  
 
By no means do I want people to think that I'm speaking out against nudity or sex or whatever.  It's far more natural than shooting someone.  However, the company itself is NOT as work ethical as some might believe.
#33 Posted by FoxxFireArt (3546 posts) - - Show Bio

This smells like all kinds of rot. To think of all the booth space that is given to things that aren't even near comic related, but they have been denied several years in a row. 
I can understand being cautious if they were actually providing pornographic material to minors or not honoring the agreement to check ID, but that seem more like call for a fine or a temporary ban. To listen to Missy Suicide. It sounds more like they have always been banned. None of this is meshing up.
 
How many things do you think are being sold at Comic Con that isn't all ages appropriate? David Glanzer said that they got a "report". Not that it was confirmed. It's as if they are looking for excuses to ban them. 
 
I find this part interesting:

" In a conversation with Mojika, Ms. Suicide was told that a member of the San Diego Comic-Con Board-of-Directors had purchased a Suicide Girls adult DVD at WonderCon and had not been carded. The same individual also stated that he had witnessed a Suicide Girl sell a DVD to a minor without requesting proper identification. "

 A "Member of the Board" bought one of the adult DVD and "Wonder Con". This member seemingly was surprised not to be carded. What is the average age of the board members?

I remember the Suicide Girls played a role in a CSI New York episode. One of them was pretty cute. I think she was called Al Suicide. I just remember she had this sort of sexy librarian look. She had black hair and glasses.
#34 Edited by cmaprice (809 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:

" @aztek the lost said:

" @RiceFox said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
I'd say porn could be art. Just like everything else... "
actually you have it in reverse, art is porn...artworks have been pornographic for hundreds more years then porn has been deemed taboo "
true, when did nudity become "evil" i'll never understand it. "
So many answers that would end in a religious flame war. Suffices to say, this is one of the many disturbing aspects of Abrahamic influence (the overall mentality, not this particular news story).
#35 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@jakob187 said:
" They "celebrate alternative beauty"?  Are you kidding me?!?!  LAWL 
 
It's alternative porn, plain and simple that takes advantage of chicks by making them pay for their own photo shoots, charge a membership fee to view their site, and the girls see next to nothing coming their way for being models.  They are pressured into going as close to full nudity as possible, and they are REQUIRED to have tattoos and piercings. 
 
@Caligula said:

". no sex or anything, really it's just modeling."

WRONG!  One of my friends had submitted clothed photos to them, and they said that she would be one of the girls.  Because of that, she got a free membership.  I had told her that I thought it was a bad idea, but whatever...it's her body, she can do what she wants.  Eventually, she said "hey, take a look at this s#!%...this is the kind of stuff they want me to do".  We would sit in our apartment and look through the photos, and there was plenty of pornographic material in there of sexual acts.  Once she realized what the site was really about, and after reading a ton of horror stories about how the girls didn't see any type of money in return and were paying hundreds of dollars for photo shoots in order for Suicide Girls to make all the money, she said "eff that" and gave 'em the finger.  AND EVEN BEYOND THAT...they don't celebrate "alternative beauty".  The idea of alternative beauty is that body type doesn't matter, whether it's 100lbs or 180lbs, hell...even 250lbs.  Suicide Girls won't even make you a featured girl if you are over a certain weight limit.  THEY STILL GO BY WHAT THE IDEA OF "MODELING" IS IN POPULAR SOCIETY!!! At least Burning Angel is completely upfront and honest about being alternative porn, as sleazy as that place is.   "
uh...you realize you supported the statement you said "WRONG!" too right?
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#36 Posted by Jack the Ripper (2225 posts) - - Show Bio
@cmaprice said:
" @Caligula said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @RiceFox said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
I'd say porn could be art. Just like everything else... "
actually you have it in reverse, art is porn...artworks have been pornographic for hundreds more years then porn has been deemed taboo "
true, when did nudity become "evil" i'll never understand it. "
So many answers that would end in a religious flame war. Suffices to say, this is one of the many disturbing aspects of Abrahamic influence. "
hey don't blame the Bible
#37 Posted by DH69 (4258 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @RiceFox said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
I'd say porn could be art. Just like everything else... "
actually you have it in reverse, art is porn...artworks have been pornographic for hundreds more years then porn has been deemed taboo "
true, when did nudity become "evil" i'll never understand it. "

lol nudity is worse than violence, gore and swearing grr :p. its perfectly fine if you want to show kids a man ripping out another mans kidneys and then beating him to death with it, but the moment you show them a nipple you're a pervert. 
 
lol that pretty much sums up the worlds view on nudity, its to protect those whiney annoying little douchebag creatures called children
#38 Posted by RiceFox (153 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jack the Ripper: I didn't mean for this to happen. O_O
#39 Posted by foxglove (77 posts) - - Show Bio

 "Celebrates alternative beauty..." by providing nude photo sets to paying customers. SG has become something of a community, but it's stock is in the naked alternative chicks.
 
 I've never been fortunate enough to attend an SDCC, my understanding is that it is a massive showcase of media... but I'm still not sure Comic-Con is really the appropriate venue for these girls anyway.

#40 Posted by jakob187 (998 posts) - - Show Bio
@aztek the lost: You do realize that I wrote paragraphs pertaining to how the site DOES have sexual acts when the comment I quoted stated there was no sex, right?  I never said it wasn't modeling.  Actually, I referred to the girls that have photos on the site as "models" many times. 
 
When I said that they adhere to the popular ideals of what modeling is, I mean that the featured girls...the "Suicide Girls"...the ones that make it and show up in comics and magazines and what have you...they do NOT break past specific weight limits.  That...goes against the idea of what "alternative beauty" is, yet this is a company that says they celebrate it.
#41 Posted by Caligula (12417 posts) - - Show Bio
@jakob187 said:
" @aztek the lost: You do realize that I wrote paragraphs pertaining to how the site DOES have sexual acts when the comment I quoted stated there was no sex, right?  I never said it wasn't modeling.  Actually, I referred to the girls that have photos on the site as "models" many times.  When I said that they adhere to the popular ideals of what modeling is, I mean that the featured girls...the "Suicide Girls"...the ones that make it and show up in comics and magazines and what have you...they do NOT break past specific weight limits.  That...goes against the idea of what "alternative beauty" is, yet this is a company that says they celebrate it. "
not true Amina Munster is an amputee with only one leg, and too me that's pretty alternative, how many big name modeling/magazine/websites give people like her equal opportunity employment without being trashy, tasteless or degrading.
 

#42 Edited by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio
@jakob187: well I apologize, personally I've never come across what I would define as sexual acts and what I believed Caligula was referring to and you were pretty vague in that regard so it was hard to argue that point...but I won't deny the company doesn't have some shady stuff going on
 
just arguing that it's not porn so much as it's modeling
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#43 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

ah, I'm really tired, I don't think I'm making sense anymore...I should stop

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#44 Posted by courtney12490 (3477 posts) - - Show Bio
@Caligula said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @RiceFox said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
I'd say porn could be art. Just like everything else... "
actually you have it in reverse, art is porn...artworks have been pornographic for hundreds more years then porn has been deemed taboo "
true, when did nudity become "evil" i'll never understand it. "
I will never understand how violence and blood/gore in movies is more acceptable than seeing somebody's boob. 
#45 Posted by Omega Ray Jay (7579 posts) - - Show Bio

If they did break then law by selling that DVD then I would have thought some form of hefty fine would have been more appropriate to be issued than a full ban, unless it was a zero tolerance example by the directors. One could argue however (and rather cynically) that the powers that be could be attempting to single out and remove certain things that don’t fit in with the image of what they are trying to sell seeing as the big corporations how have a hand in the proceedings.        

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#46 Posted by fromthedead (73 posts) - - Show Bio

If SuicideGirls is porn then so is Playboy. In fact SuicideGirls has more artistic merit than Playboy. I'm personally friends with a SG girl Mischa. ComicCon needs to lighten up. I haven't been to a 'con since 2000. It's become more about the politics of television and pop-culture and less about comics. I remember when I was able to buy issues of Satanika and Heavy Metal when I was 16 and it was no issue. I guess my generation that are now parents are just so overbearing over their kids that NOTHING aside from Nickelodeon or Disney is allowed. Way to kill creativity. This is ridiculous. Children need to learn to grow up. I fully support SG and wish them the best of luck in getting a booth.

#47 Posted by EdwardWindsor (14400 posts) - - Show Bio
@courtney12490 said:
" @Caligula said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @RiceFox said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
I'd say porn could be art. Just like everything else... "
actually you have it in reverse, art is porn...artworks have been pornographic for hundreds more years then porn has been deemed taboo "
true, when did nudity become "evil" i'll never understand it. "
I will never understand how violence and blood/gore in movies is more acceptable than seeing somebody's boob.  "
Exactly violence is far  more damging to people after all, never heard anybody coming back from seeing a chick with post dramatic stress issues do you lol
#48 Posted by courtney12490 (3477 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:
" @courtney12490 said:
" @Caligula said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @RiceFox said:
" @aztek the lost said:
" @DH69 said:
" so they banned a pornsite? "
it's not a porn site, it's art!
 
I'd say porn could be art. Just like everything else... "
actually you have it in reverse, art is porn...artworks have been pornographic for hundreds more years then porn has been deemed taboo "
true, when did nudity become "evil" i'll never understand it. "
I will never understand how violence and blood/gore in movies is more acceptable than seeing somebody's boob.  "
Exactly violence is far  more damging to people after all, never heard anybody coming back from seeing a chick with post dramatic stress issues do you lol "
Right? I will just never understand the mentality that seeing somebody savagely murdered and dismembered is more appropriate than seeing some skin.
#49 Edited by EdwardWindsor (14400 posts) - - Show Bio
@courtney12490:  hell i would happily check the women out over the other 100% of the time in real life, but thing is i enjoy games and comics and violence and gore are  widely used tools now days so its become less tabboo,  thou essentially both are playing to animalistic nature.
#50 Posted by courtney12490 (3477 posts) - - Show Bio
@lazystudent said:
" @courtney12490:  hell i would happily check the women out over the other 100% of the time in real life, but thing is i enjoy games and comics and violence and gore are  widely used tools now days so its become less tabboo,  thou essentially both are playing to animalistic nature. "
That's true.

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