Rogue
Character » Rogue appears in 6608 issues.
The adopted daughter of Mystique, Rogue was once a member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants. Now reformed, Rogue has become a veteran member of the X-Men.
Rogue & Magneto?
Damn! Magneto is soooo hot. *droools* and with a body like that? I don't blame Rogue, I'd tap that.
I actually really like the way they're trying to ease the Rogue/Magneto concept back into continuity.
He's seems dedicated to the idea of courting her, and has this really charming sort of certainty that he's just going to be patient until she comes around. It's actually really sweet. Magneto has always been very inventive in the use of his powers, I could see them working together and being quite the fearsome power-couple.
I wouldn't mind magneto & rogue, they were together in age of apocalypse, which was one of the best story arcs of all time. I also have another favourite story which was crossroads. So seeing magneto & rogue together for a while, might be route the writers could explore. Although I think she should end up with Gambit for good. I don't want to them truly end like scott & jean did, I didn't think it wasn't fair to Jean Grey character at that the time, just like it wouldn't be to gambit, for it end for real.
Well its nice that Magneto is courting her can't wait to see how that pans out. I mean supposedly he was revamped when he got his powers back, but he is overexerting himself. Is it because he is pushing himself to the limit or he is way too old to begin with?
Yes when the showed some mysteriously having googlely thoughts towards Rogue and giving nothing else. I had my theories, mostly towards Sam. Although after that comment Sam made to Remy when he was death, its a good possibility.
Rogues not that girl from the savage land anymore, she's grown so much and doesn't need a man period. Her reasons for her prior attraction to him don't even exist any more. In fact, I see no reason for her to be with any man at all right now. Screw the whole her and Remy thing as well. That ship has sailed and it's over, folk. They should be friends, because they both clearly, deeply care about one another. But I feel that flame has fizzled a decade ago. In either case some flirting's fine, but a serious relationship with either makes no sense. The only reason people want the latter is because it's the status quo and the norm. I wish the editors would take a step back and let writers be writers. That's the biggest issue with comics in this decade and especially in X-Men. The X books of the 80's and early-mid 90's were the best (and some of the best comics period) because they were character driven plots, not plot (read editorial) driven characters. Things were organic, logical. You know what I would have liked to see? A follow up of the possible romance between Rogue and Colossus, know why that didn't happen? Because the editor said "NO!!! Rouge/Gambit!!! It's in the X-Bible!!!" I've seen what a great (read; nearly unfix-able, failure of) job Axel Alonso and others have done during Brubaker/Fraction's run and it's clear to me that if Carey pushes this forward it's one of their dictates. Carey's a company man and will tow the line, I respect his professionalism in that regard but have to keep it 100 and call it cowardly, disingenuous, and flat out hypocritical when he engages in double speak during interviews.
Okay there are less people I disagree with in this thread, than the other thread lol, so good. lol
" Rogues not that girl from the savage land anymore, she's grown so much and doesn't need a man period. Her reasons for her prior attraction to him don't even exist any more. In fact, I see no reason for her to be with any man at all right now. Screw the whole her and Remy thing as well. That ship has sailed and it's over, folk. They should be friends, because they both clearly, deeply care about one another. But I feel that flame has fizzled a decade ago. In either case some flirting's fine, but a serious relationship with either makes no sense. The only reason people want the latter is because it's the status quo and the norm. I wish the editors would take a step back and let writers be writers. That's the biggest issue with comics in this decade and especially in X-Men. The X books of the 80's and early-mid 90's were the best (and some of the best comics period) because they were character driven plots, not plot (read editorial) driven characters. Things were organic, logical. You know what I would have liked to see? A follow up of the possible romance between Rogue and Colossus, know why that didn't happen? Because the editor said "NO!!! Rouge/Gambit!!! It's in the X-Bible!!!" I've seen what a great (read; nearly unfix-able, failure of) job Axel Alonso and others have done during Brubaker/Fraction's run and it's clear to me that if Carey pushes this forward it's one of their dictates. Carey's a company man and will tow the line, I respect his professionalism in that regard but have to keep it 100 and call it cowardly, disingenuous, and flat out hypocritical when he engages in double speak during interviews. "
Okay, apologies, I wrote this in the other Rogue/Magneto thread, its locked now, I did not know this was the original thread so sorry for that too. I did make a very long post in the other thread though so I will sleep easier reposting it into the thread that won't get locked, after putting so much time into it, in case people want to disagree with me or whatever lol Since I really like Rogue, I really like Gambit, and I really like Magneto, and I have strong opinions on all three! What follows is copy/pasted.
Yet for so many writers that came after CC (many of my favorites mind you), who probably didn't have as much grasp on most of the characters, and probably didn't understand what made each character popular (but usually the overall theme sound) had this desire to tease out Magneto and Rogue. Again 20 years ago, such interactions were fairly organic and this is why. Magneto never took this relationship seriously. Rogue was a hot, naive southern belle, who never really viewed Magneto as a villain would only ever attempt to see the good in his nature and she would excuse so many of his actions. For a guy who felt justified for any of his actions because of the intent and effects behind his motivations, this would be pretty appealing and ego appeasing in any context. So Rogue's admiration would have been flattering, but a serious relationship? Uh, no. Also back then, Rogue was naive, that and strong headed and stubborn. Lacking experience in physical and emotional intimacy and drawn to mysterious, dark horses, who were a bit edgy and of course very charismatic, oh and with a touch of dangerous as well. Which are qualities both Gambit and Magneto, and even Joseph shared.
The difference between Gambit and Magneto, isn't just that Gambit is much younger, Gambit is more reserved and more relaxed and he doesn't have a cause that he would place above anything else like Magneto would. He is also somewhat more, well not naive, Gambit has a healthier, less cynical view of the world and its inhabitants than Magneto. Gambit and Rogue play off each other much, much better, because Gambit is so smooth, he is such a charmer and relaxed and reckless, and such characters can quickly be mischaracterized or identified as misogynistic or chauvinistic, when Remy is so far from being those things. So with Rogue we can see a sweeter, more sentimental heart broken side of him. We can realize how much he respects women, and how patient he can be and well, we get to see how nice a guy he is. He is a ladies man, but he is staunchly pro women/feminist at the same time. Its a rare combination. For Rogue, a Romy relationship done right, grounds her. This was a character that use to run (fly) around kissing a ton of villains yet found it uncomfortable in any actual genuine romantic situations, she was arrogant and over confident, and she could be, she was almost as durable and strong as Colossus, she could fly almost as fast as Storm, and she was a brawler, and she could also power up by draining powers and knock out people that way as well. So with Gambit, all the storylines, dealing with her vulnerability in regards to not being able to physically touch others, those stories developed and upgraded to the next level, and this was good for her as new stories could be told, but her strong points and things that made her popular? They were essentially the same. Ditto with Gambit, all his positives were magnified creatively. Their flirting was healthy and organically aided character development. It makes sense, the writer who defined both of them and made them popular knew how to play both characters off each other in fresh and positive ways for both characters, Fans of both characters weren't missing out too much either. Rogue was still a pretty independent, super strong sassy flying brick. Gambit was a mysterious thief with a heart of gold, and some cool skills with cards and a bo staff.
Can Magneto and Rogue draw out as much of each other creatively? Potentially. Just like all characters, Galactus and Spider-man, Magneto and Xavier, Gambit and X-23, your favorite character and your most hated favorite character, but Magneto and Rogue unlike Rogue and Gambit have never been written competently in any serious context. The closest was AOA, where Magneto essentially blackmailed a younger more naive Rogue into being with him, because they could be physically intimate, and in this context of Rogue (I liked AOA Magneto in all other contexts) he was so jealous and petty he actually ensured the other romantic rival for Rogue was sent out into space? What the writers intended there sort of didn't really come off to well in practice. Read their story with a critical eye instead of casually and their relationship was rather ill-conceived on multiple levels, and as the writer has admitted based on something they thought was cool, after reading the Savage Land encounter which that writer only ever intended as most casual encounter and has regretted ever since lol
In any case now, its 20 years later for both situations roughly, and Rogue is a lot less naive and she is older, and she is more in control, and she has even lead her team a few times too, and many other facets of the character have evolved and progressed. Somewhere before all that she also dramatically lost a lot of popularity as all the fans of her as she was best typified in the 90's cartoon (which drew more from Rogue character wise in the late 80's with the sexed up va va voom look of the 90's) probably left after a string of creative adjustments from writers trying to stop her falling popularity and kick start her. Even Grant Morrison wanted to kill her off, turn her into a voodoo emo goth or something...
Essentially though, what can Magneto offer Rogue now relationship? In practice, not theory. I am sure a good writer could make Rogneto work, and not detract from each other character, but a good writer could make Galaneto work as well, as well Blob 23, and Domo Boom, and any random character pairing. The best Magneto could aid Rogue in, has already been demonstrated by Carey. With flirting. Where as twenty years ago, Rogue was so naively endeared with this guy and brought every line he threw out and would excuse and justify his behavior to her fellow team mates (remember back with the Russian Sub incident? For a naive teen/young adult with not much experience emotionally of physically and probably with a physical attraction to this older charismatic and powerful man, its not that questionable, it sort of works well really.
As a senior X-Men, looking after a bunch of kids, a lot older, a lot more experienced and a lot wiser? Has she forgotten that Magneto just killed a women in front of her? Can she not understand Magneto a lot more and realize he would have never been that serous with her as that is how he was written? Not quite, and this is why we got a different Rogue Magneto relationship in the last year of Legacy. In fact we got to see and Rogue has even commented on how she has changed and grown up a lot more. She is friendly with him sure, but Rogue is friendly to everyone. Possibly this difference in her attitude makes Rogue seem more desirable in Magnetos eyes but it won't be serious either, and so flirting can work between the two characters and should organically.
I question anything more though and I doubt that Carey is the catalyst behind this (for a number of what I consider obvious reasons), I don't deny he would defend it, as well, but Carey defends everything Marvel, he even defended the Sentry thing even though he was blindsided by that revelation. He is sort of a nice professional dude in that sense. His writing contradicts a lot of things though lol. In practice anything more (than flirting) is probably going to be straight up regression for Rogue. Not beneficial at all. Conceptually its not even that sound character wise. The only reason I see this happening is for plot reasons, which in fact would make this manufactured. Why it might work for the plot, is because Rogue is a high profile character and Magneto still has his history as a villain and we have an X-Men Civil War coming up and both teams will need to have some legitimacy to be interesting and having Magneto firmly rooted by then as a good guy then, or unquestionable relatively as in motivations, would aid that perception a lot. Except what was most peoples big issue with Civil War? Mischaracterization by characters, and manufacturing events, grudges against and between characters inorganically.
X-Men story telling has been plot based for a while now, as opposed to character driven, not a bad thing, but it aids us to a degree when assigning motivations with creative decisions.
Okay, I feel I nailed enough nails in the coffin that is Mogue and why it could be okay, will probably not be if it actually happens, why its happening therefore anyway, and although I am not a fan of Rogue and Gambit and both need friendship from each other than anything more, which in the past killed both characters, in the past they were much, much better creatively. And if you don't agree with me, you obviously molest trees in public parks"
So much win.
i just read x-men legacy 249 and they kiss at the end and rogue says im not promising you a damn thing except for tonight
Posts with uncensored swearing have been removed. It's just a comic book, there's no need to over-react like that in a public forum.
Rogue has just gone back twenty years of development and (probably) lost half her fans. Nice work, Carey.@jrock85 said:
@Bigestbarda: Carey has defiled Rogue.Yep. I'm never reading Legacy based on this pairing.
Am I the only one that's bothered by the fact that Magneto is about 85 years old and Rogue is about 24? She may be even younger than that. With Marvel's sliding timeline it's hard to judge the age of their characters, but in Legacy 249 we clearly see that Magneto was a young man in 1942...That was 70 years ago...
So, an 85 year old ex-villain with a 24 year old woman who apparently has had no real male/female relationship (although it was implied at the funeral for Sentry that she had been intimate with him.)
Am I the only one that's bothered by the fact that Magneto is about 85 years old and Rogue is about 24? She may be even younger than that. With Marvel's sliding timeline it's hard to judge the age of their characters, but in Legacy 249 we clearly see that Magneto was a young man in 1942...That was 70 years ago... So, an 85 year old ex-villain with a 24 year old woman who apparently has had no real male/female relationship (although it was implied at the funeral for Sentry that she had been intimate with him.)No, you are definitely not. It's ridiculous and insulting. Rogue's character has been set back 20 years. It's like Carey's fanfiction.
@FadeToBlackBolt said:Really? It had 'good' moments? I must not have been paying attention... LOL!@jrock85: I didn't read AoX :PIt had its good moments and bad moments. I don't know if I'd highly recommend it to anyone.
Sorry, but I really hated AoX. It just seemed like a recycled story to me. 'The wold hates and fears mutants, so the world must kill all mutants, mutants must fight to survive.' Seems like I've seen that storyline MANY TIMES...
LOL. I think Clay Mann's art was the best thing about. As far as the age difference between Rogue and Mags? Its creepy, but to me its not the overriding issue. Given Magneto's history, it makes no sense for Rogue to want to be with him. I get the feeling that this is an editorially driven relationship with the intent of whitewashing Magneto.
I see most people pulling for Wolverine and Marvel (in fact most comic writers) find out what the readers truly want and then deliberately do not give them that...
I've wanted to see Scott and Logan have it out for a long time now, but never for leadership. Wolverine as leader of the X-Men? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! I LOVE Wolverine's character but can't see him leading the X-Men.
I would, however, like to see someone else take the reins...Although I'm not exactly sure who... Sage? Iceman? (Yeah, right! LOL!) Deadpool? (at least it would be entertaining.)
@Timandm: LOL. I think Clay Mann's art was the best thing about. As far as the age difference between Rogue and Mags? Its creepy, but to me its not the overriding issue. Given Magneto's history, it makes no sense for Rogue to want to be with him. I get the feeling that this is an editorially driven relationship with the intent of whitewashing Magneto.That's probably why they had Rogue basically say 'it made no sense.' and she added, 'I guess the heart just wants what the heart wants.' With that reasoning, the writers could hook her up with Doop and get away with it... um, actually, THAT might make MORE sense than her being with Magneto. If they ARE trying to white-wash Magneto, I think they're going to fail big time. To my mind it makes him look something like a pedophile, although I do realize Rogue is a full grown adult...
Rogue has had a past with Magneto. It's not as if this has come out of nowhere. It's a pretty stupid twist of plot, and I agree that I don't like it... however, it's just one panel. It's a cliffhanger ending for a reason. So we're left hanging on to see what happens next.
Legacy was attracted to Magneto, and Rogue has decided to honour the pledge that Legacy made. Therefore she's retained the memories & feelings of someone a lot like Rogue but was ultimately implanted by a childish external force (Moira/X). This is all part of the fall out from Age of X. It doesn't necessarily mean that this is the status quo from now on.
After all, now that Rogue has complete control over her powers, there has to be some other new reason for her not to go running into Gambits arms. The course of true love never did run smooth...
I don't know what they are doing to Rogue, first Sentry (not sure if they even met), and now Magneto who she knows is a creepy old guy.
I personally like Rogneto more than Rogambit. Reason being Rogambit gotten annoying and stale since Rogue gained control of her power.
At least that makes something in the realm of sense. She didn't want to be a virgin, and he was immune to her power.The Sentry thing was ridiculous and PIS at it's worst.
@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@The Dark Huntress said:At least that makes something in the realm of sense. She didn't want to be a virgin, and he was immune to her power.The Sentry thing was ridiculous and PIS at it's worst.
If you're looking at that ONE removed fact it does. But when you factor in EVERYTHING else, it makes no sense at all and dirties the memory of the Sentry (I'm choosing to ignore everything that Bendis wrote about him)
It wasn't a good move, and I was disappointed in Jenkins for writing it. However, I understand why he did it. He just wanted the Sentry to mean something to someone in the MU. Bendis absolutely destroyed the character. I mean, ParHallax was handled better. Everyone in the MU was glad he was dead, I think Jenkins just wanted "someone" to remember his character (the stand in for anyone who's ever struggled with debilitating mental illness) fondly. Still, it wasn't handled well at all.@FadeToBlackBolt said:
@The Dark Huntress said:At least that makes something in the realm of sense. She didn't want to be a virgin, and he was immune to her power.The Sentry thing was ridiculous and PIS at it's worst.
If you're looking at that ONE removed fact it does. But when you factor in EVERYTHING else, it makes no sense at all and dirties the memory of the Sentry (I'm choosing to ignore everything that Bendis wrote about him)
Wise move ignoring Bendick's run :)
Yes, but I don't think they were ever together as in a couple and if they were I hate that too.
Also why I think alot of people was mad about that is because I don't think it was even shown that Sentry and Rogue had ever met until she commented on that stupid relationship that they supposedly had.
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