"You misinterpret me and only seemed to read my less-friendly words about Gambit. Right. Let me say this, my arguement is that she is better off. Let me say it again, to make sure it's clear. Better OFF. Not Gambit is evil and should die, that they don't mesh well and Rogue would have a more fulfilling life without him. As in, whether Gambit INTENTIONALLY did anything or not, their relationship reflected badly on THE BOTH of them. Is that nicer?
Well, when you're saying he's far from good enough for her, when he's gone through a lot to try and be there for her, then yes. I will probably focus on that instead of you trying to defend Rogue from a comment that was directed more towards how the writers wrote her than the character herself.
I won't even dignify that Anarctica comment with a real response. A)It's the oldest (and only) argument against Rogue and B)That's just going to start an outright fight.
1: It's far from the only complaint against Rogue.
2: I'd say you've already taken us there.
However, I wasn't usuing the Antarctica incident as an example of how horrible Rogue is but as an exaqmple of what Gambit does to show that he cares.
You say Rogue had a delightful childhood and only left because she just couldn't handle the rules, the immature twit. She LOST her PARENTS. Did you just skip over that when reading? Do you know how badly that screws someone up? Loosing the people who are supposed to take care of you before you even understand the concept of death? Oh yeah, that's not emotionally scarring.
She's not the only person, or even X-men, who lost parents at a young age, I don't know why you think that entitles her to special consideration.
I'll grant you Mystique and Destiny were good parents. I personally love them. But they did involve her in terrorism before she was even a legal adult. Doesn't that point to maybe SOMETHING amiss?
I agree with you here. Rogue attacked Ms. Marvel to prove herself to Mystique, that does show that Rogue is emotionally dependant on the approval of those she cares about and can be lead astray because of it.
That maybe, just maybe, Rogue has a small dependency problem and feels the need to constantly proove herself to those are more emotionally reserved? Like, say, Mystique, Gambit, even Storm?
Yes, but Mystique was the only one who used that insecurity to manipulate Rogue. Storm and Gambit were both very supportive despite their emotional reservation.
And Mystique took advantage of that need to earn her love to add an extremely powerful mutant to her team? I adore and respect Mystique, but she hasn't exactly been known for putting her love before her ambition.
Yes, she did. Carey is doing a good job of handling this in Adjectiveless at the moment.
And please don't tell me that if she has dependency issues, that automatically means she depends on everyone and isn't independent. That's bull.
I wasn't going to. She's emotional vulnerable to those who get past her "tough girl" armor, but that doesn't make her weak in any way.
I concede, I went a little overboard in my Gambit-hating. I was spurned on by all the Rogue bashing on her own page.
I understand, I'm the same way with Rogue fans bashing Gambit.
But let me say this: I would never go for a guy like Gambit. Does that make me an idealistic idiot who knows nothing about the couple? I mean, Gambit's not the only form of attractive male in the world. Anybody that thinks he IS has a really sad view of the world. Speak for yourself next time.
1: I didn't say that anyone who doesn't like Gambit is an idealistic fool. I said that anyone who finds the efforts he made to show he cares to be insufficient, then they have unrealistic expectations.
2: Do not make this personal. I don't appreciate people insulting me.
Getting to the big picture. Gambit may have tried to help Rogue, but whether he meant well or not, that doesn't change the effect. She was happy before she met him. When they started dating they had so many ups and downs, it would put most currently airing soap operas to shame.
If you really think Rogue was happy before Gambit came along, you haven't been reading very carefully. Rogue has always been insecure and emotionally fragile. She simply hid it all under her tomboy attitude. Just look at how she crumpled like cheap tin when she was captured in genosha that one time and Carol had to take over in order to escape. Gambit getting close to her simply made it harder for her to keep up that facade all the time.
You guys are irritated by Rogue because you don't understand a woman's insecurities. I could prepare some endless rant, but this isn't the place. All you need to know is that Gambit said a lot of things. He also did a lot of things. Good and bad. We forgive and we forget because, as comic fans, that is part of our role. They've got to keep us entertained somehow, don't they? But what he did and said didn't AFFECT Rogue. You can reach for the moon all you want, but that doesn't mean you're gonna get it and it certainly doesn't mean you're gonna get credit for getting it. Don't give me what he did that didn't work. Only time Gambit made Rogue feel better that I'VE seen was that time after she killed the Goth or whatever his name was. And I'm sure if he wasn't there, Wolverine would've given her the same talk.
So just because Rogue didn't listen to all the encouragement Gambit tried to give her, it should all be disregarded and Gambit labeled an insensitive jerk? Sorry, but thats not how things work. Gambit isn't a licensed shrink, he did what he could.
Posted 1 year, 9 months ago
"You misinterpret me and only seemed to read my less-friendly words about Gambit. Right. Let me say this, my arguement is that she is better off. Let me say it again, to make sure it's clear. Better OFF. Not Gambit is evil and should die, that they don't mesh well and Rogue would have a more fulfilling life without him. As in, whether Gambit INTENTIONALLY did anything or not, their relationship reflected badly on THE BOTH of them. Is that nicer?
Well, when you're saying he's far from good enough for her, when he's gone through a lot to try and be there for her, then yes. I will probably focus on that instead of you trying to defend Rogue from a comment that was directed more towards how the writers wrote her than the character herself.
I won't even dignify that Anarctica comment with a real response. A)It's the oldest (and only) argument against Rogue and B)That's just going to start an outright fight.
1: It's far from the only complaint against Rogue.
2: I'd say you've already taken us there.
However, I wasn't usuing the Antarctica incident as an example of how horrible Rogue is but as an exaqmple of what Gambit does to show that he cares.
You say Rogue had a delightful childhood and only left because she just couldn't handle the rules, the immature twit. She LOST her PARENTS. Did you just skip over that when reading? Do you know how badly that screws someone up? Loosing the people who are supposed to take care of you before you even understand the concept of death? Oh yeah, that's not emotionally scarring.
She's not the only person, or even X-men, who lost parents at a young age, I don't know why you think that entitles her to special consideration.
I'll grant you Mystique and Destiny were good parents. I personally love them. But they did involve her in terrorism before she was even a legal adult. Doesn't that point to maybe SOMETHING amiss?
I agree with you here. Rogue attacked Ms. Marvel to prove herself to Mystique, that does show that Rogue is emotionally dependant on the approval of those she cares about and can be lead astray because of it.
That maybe, just maybe, Rogue has a small dependency problem and feels the need to constantly proove herself to those are more emotionally reserved? Like, say, Mystique, Gambit, even Storm?
Yes, but Mystique was the only one who used that insecurity to manipulate Rogue. Storm and Gambit were both very supportive despite their emotional reservation.
And Mystique took advantage of that need to earn her love to add an extremely powerful mutant to her team? I adore and respect Mystique, but she hasn't exactly been known for putting her love before her ambition.
Yes, she did. Carey is doing a good job of handling this in Adjectiveless at the moment.
And please don't tell me that if she has dependency issues, that automatically means she depends on everyone and isn't independent. That's bull.
I wasn't going to. She's emotional vulnerable to those who get past her "tough girl" armor, but that doesn't make her weak in any way.
I concede, I went a little overboard in my Gambit-hating. I was spurned on by all the Rogue bashing on her own page.
I understand, I'm the same way with Rogue fans bashing Gambit.
But let me say this: I would never go for a guy like Gambit. Does that make me an idealistic idiot who knows nothing about the couple? I mean, Gambit's not the only form of attractive male in the world. Anybody that thinks he IS has a really sad view of the world. Speak for yourself next time.
1: I didn't say that anyone who doesn't like Gambit is an idealistic fool. I said that anyone who finds the efforts he made to show he cares to be insufficient, then they have unrealistic expectations.
2: Do not make this personal. I don't appreciate people insulting me.
Getting to the big picture. Gambit may have tried to help Rogue, but whether he meant well or not, that doesn't change the effect. She was happy before she met him. When they started dating they had so many ups and downs, it would put most currently airing soap operas to shame.
If you really think Rogue was happy before Gambit came along, you haven't been reading very carefully. Rogue has always been insecure and emotionally fragile. She simply hid it all under her tomboy attitude. Just look at how she crumpled like cheap tin when she was captured in genosha that one time and Carol had to take over in order to escape. Gambit getting close to her simply made it harder for her to keep up that facade all the time.
You guys are irritated by Rogue because you don't understand a woman's insecurities. I could prepare some endless rant, but this isn't the place. All you need to know is that Gambit said a lot of things. He also did a lot of things. Good and bad. We forgive and we forget because, as comic fans, that is part of our role. They've got to keep us entertained somehow, don't they? But what he did and said didn't AFFECT Rogue. You can reach for the moon all you want, but that doesn't mean you're gonna get it and it certainly doesn't mean you're gonna get credit for getting it. Don't give me what he did that didn't work. Only time Gambit made Rogue feel better that I'VE seen was that time after she killed the Goth or whatever his name was. And I'm sure if he wasn't there, Wolverine would've given her the same talk.
So just because Rogue didn't listen to all the encouragement Gambit tried to give her, it should all be disregarded and Gambit labeled an insensitive jerk? Sorry, but thats not how things work. Gambit isn't a licensed shrink, he did what he could.
