Why does everyone seriously hate Rob Liefeld?

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Posted by Mr.Starks (48 posts) - - Show Bio

Im mean yea he does kinda stink at drawing, but he did help comics alot.
#1 Posted by Chaos Agent (2150 posts) - - Show Bio

your answer is the first point you make

#2 Posted by ryanwh (373 posts) - - Show Bio

Please to explain how he helped comics.

#3 Posted by Mr.Starks (48 posts) - - Show Bio

By help i meant he helped make it more popular to more people. im mean he did sell a crap load of comics back in the day
#4 Posted by Mr.Starks (48 posts) - - Show Bio
#5 Posted by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

'cuz he's a terrible artist? 
 
At least he seems to realize that he was riding a media wave and not as "all that and a bag of chips" as others who have achieved that level of success come to believe themselves to be. However, the allegations of plagurism...
 
Liefield managed to keep from raping my favorite characters, but Grant Morrison no longer exists in my universe. So I understand where the anger comes from.

#6 Posted by RaptorFratBoy (550 posts) - - Show Bio

While not all his fault, Liefeld took full advantage of an industry that had been overwhelmed by horny, blood-thirsty teenage boys. I know, I was one of them. If there were pretty pictures (or in Liefeld's case, ultra-exadurated) filled with action and half-naked women, it was usually selling lots and lots of copies, during Rob's heyday of the 90's. 
 
Remember: This was an era of comic books where low-rent Indy books like "Lady Death" could pay for their creator's new house ONLY because her boobies were everywhere and there was guaranteed lots of killing. It was a shallow, hollow time-period.
 
That being said, I don't feel sorry at all for how he's being clowned these days, because that's KARMA, baby! Liefeld made rockstar money, he was on a damn-fool Levis Jeans commercial, he got to do whatever the hell he wanted to with Marvel's hottest property at the time, "X-Force", and then lived the creator's dream by being able to become flat-out RICH with his OWN CREATIONS, therefore totally self-sufficient and answering to nobody. But then he got out of control, got on everybody's nerves, and was thus kicked-out of his own Clubhouse for being a brat. When Todd F'N McFarlane and Erik Larsen think you're too pretentious and your ego is a bit much, you have a PROBLEM; Rob Liefeld clearly thought more of himself than anyone else did. Proof? Well, now Robbie was all on his own 100%, and he gave us:
 
"Awesome Comics". 
 
Honestly, at this time it seemed as if he WANTED us to laugh at him; "Extreme Studios" is horrible looking back, but at the time it made sense - everything was friggin' extreme back then. But "Awesome"? Was he trying to lure the Ninja Turtle audience? Anyway, he rubbed shoulders with Hollywood types, partnering with who-would-become the "Rob Liefeld Of Writing", Jeph Loeb. They proceeded to bring us things like "Supreme", because obviously DC's Superman wasn't Awesome enough, and try to convince the world that their "Fighting American" maybe/possibly pre-dated Captain America, and so was by default way-cooler and of course, more Awesome. They lasted three years with this nonsense, when even Alan "Cthulu Save The Queen" Moore himself couldn't make anyone care. 
 
Liefeld rode the wave, and wasn't able to adapt when said-wave crashed down around him. At the end, he tried being more of a Capitalist Businessman than a comic book pro, like McFarlane became, but obviously didn't have the right tools, and didn't hold-on to his audience the same way his Image peers did. So where did he end-up? Back to Marvel, making laughing-stocks of The Avengers, Captain America in particular; by the time he had returned, the fans now reading comics was largely different, largely older. We'd had enough of his crap, his disproportioned-muscles, his tiny feet. And that basically sums-up where Robbie's at these days, with Marvel tossing him the occasional Variant Cover that I'm certain many fans will be trading to their friends for the regular version. 
 
Oh, and he's still trying to force a "Youngblood" movie down our throats, because apparently he hates America. That's reason enough to despise him, isn't it?

#7 Posted by Chaos Agent (2150 posts) - - Show Bio

Liefield made me hate the nineties (comic related comment)

#8 Posted by Agent Buttons (13479 posts) - - Show Bio
@Chaos Agent said:
"Liefield made me hate the nineties (comic related comment) "

All of his characters had that pig nose thing going on.
#9 Posted by Chaos Agent (2150 posts) - - Show Bio

Funny fact: Magog was designed by Alex Ross that way because Waid told him to "Grab the two worst Rob Liefield designs you can get to prove how bad the nineties were"
 
He picked Cable and Shatterstar btw

#10 Posted by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

It's funny, but if you look at his early work on X-Factor in the late 1980's, he actually was pretty good. Not fabulous, but solid. It's just with X-Force he found this extreme style that took off with the kids and then he became a parody of himself.

#11 Posted by Grendel (560 posts) - - Show Bio

I like a lot of his characters, mostly because of what talented guys did with them after he jumped ship for more cash. He's always a nice guy and friendly to folks at cons so I feel it's arrogant and unfunny to antagonize him at the conventions.
 
That being said, he does come off badly and homophobic here:
 
 
 http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2009/07/liefeld-cant-wait-to-someday-undo-shatterstar-development/

#12 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

This is why I hate Rob Liefeld.... 
 
1.He's a terrible artist.All his faces are nearly the same,he puts too many lines in them,he's terrible at human anatomy especially feat,he draws the most ridiculous weaponry 
2.Heroes Reborn..he's solely responsible for the failure of what could have potentially been a good series 
3.As an artist myself it pisses me off that someone as bad as him is getting work while i'm working my ass of to get through college 
4.Not only does he suck but people actually argue he doesn't,he's won awards for his art 
5.Youngblood...Nuff said.

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#13 Posted by Agent Buttons (13479 posts) - - Show Bio

 
  

  

#14 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio

Agent Buttons? I was just using that avatar...lol

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#15 Posted by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by Agent Buttons (13479 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
"Agent Buttons? I was just using that avatar...lol "

Really? I didn't notice
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#18 Posted by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

Hey Vance! How's it going?

#19 Posted by Mr.Starks (48 posts) - - Show Bio

Yea his drawing does suck.

#20 Posted by Agent Buttons (13479 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL
#21 Posted by Vance Astro (91122 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pania said:
" Hey Vance! How's it going? "
GREAT!
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#22 Posted by Hubris-Mantis (70 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't he also selling YoungBlood comics for hundreds of dollars at comic conventions?I read that somewhere...Wizard, i believe.
#23 Posted by ComicCrazy (1537 posts) - - Show Bio

   While we are on the subject of liefeld, I have just one question is this picture for serious or is it fake ?    and if it is real this picture is my reason for hating Liefeld.
 
#24 Posted by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio

It is a real Liefeld drawing, yes.

#25 Posted by RaptorFratBoy (550 posts) - - Show Bio
@ComicCrazy: Yeah, that picture is pretty-much the embodiment of why exactly Rob Liefeld is a joke. Here's a more commonly-seen version of it...
 


...Just to drive the point home of how little Rob knows about the human anatomy.
#26 Posted by Drafta (690 posts) - - Show Bio
@ComicCrazy said:
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   While we are on the subject of liefeld, I have just one question is this picture for serious or is it fake ?    and if it is real this picture is my reason for hating Liefeld.
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It looks like his left boob is trying to make a run for it.
#27 Edited by Pania (1759 posts) - - Show Bio
@RaptorFratBoy said:

" @ComicCrazy: Yeah, that picture is pretty-much the embodiment of why exactly Rob Liefeld is a joke. Here's a more commonly-seen version of it...
 

...Just to drive the point home of how little Rob knows about the human anatomy. "
lol! It's like a PSA about steroid abuse.
 
"Boy's does it matter how big your guns are if you can no longer find your d%^&?"
#28 Posted by MrMiracle77 (1659 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't say that I 'seriously' hate Rob.  When I was in high school (early to mid 90s) he was known as the 'teenager who drew comics'.  That was part of the appeal, there was this guy closer to our own age who drew comics. 
 
I graduated in 95, but his artwork hasn't really evolved since then.  There are webcomics that have had shorter runs than Leifeld's career, but have improved the quality of their work considerably in that short timespan. 
 
And I'll say one last thing.  Back in the days of the 4-color printing process, his work didn't look that bad.  But it seems like the modern computerized process has made certain art styles very unflattering.

#29 Posted by Mr.Starks (48 posts) - - Show Bio
@Pania:
I have that issue, and i always laugh at that pic.
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#31 Posted by speedlgt (2109 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone who hates Rob do me a favor and go look at FRANK MILLERS drawings and JUDGE them with your artistic "eye"  
 
style vs correct = artist vs camera
#32 Posted by inferiorego (21239 posts) - - Show Bio
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