Rob Liefeld Takes Over Three DC Ongoing Series

#151 Posted by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@KidSupreme: I never would have picked up the H&D miniseries in the 80s if it wasn't for Rob'd art. The issue with the current H&D ongoing is Sterling Gates writing, not Rob's artwork. I think that most of the people who are complaining about it aren't actually buying the comic.

I hate the mob mentality that surrounds Rob. I am willing to ACTUALLY BUY THE COMICS and see their quality before I make my judgement.

I was ready to drop Deahstroke, but I like Rob's ideas so I am sticking with it. I am reading Grifter and had no intentions of dropping it. I am even more excited when I read about Rob's ideas for that comic.

#152 Posted by Mr_riddler (15734 posts) - - Show Bio

ROB!

#153 Posted by Adnan (1037 posts) - - Show Bio

@BatBen9135:I think he's writing and drawing Deathstroke, and plotting the other two.

#154 Posted by TheRedRobin (226 posts) - - Show Bio

That's too bad about Hawkman because I always felt like that was way better then 'tec.

#155 Posted by umbrafeline (5300 posts) - - Show Bio

my 7-year-old niece can draw better than liefeld. a 2nd grader vs a pro? my moneys on the girl

#156 Posted by Bernicky (379 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate everything

#157 Posted by Mahzian (118 posts) - - Show Bio

"Anatomy?! Where's Jim?!"

#158 Posted by Alch21 (210 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheCrowbar: Really good book

#159 Posted by DarthShap (875 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mahzian said:

"Anatomy?! Where's Jim?!"

Great video. This is so embarrassing for Liefeld. Sure, he cannot pretend he is as good as Lee but here it just looks like he knows absolutely nothing about anatomy.

#160 Posted by kapitein_zeppos (341 posts) - - Show Bio

My first comics were Superman and Batman from the dusk of the SIlver age and the early Bronze age. I then graduated to Marvel comics around the time of Claremont's X-Men and got out a few years after Secret Wars two.

I got suckered back into comics through the Image revolution, until I started to notice something. While the artwork at first seemed so much more dynamic than the stuff from the olden days some of the anatomy had me worried. I wondered how far they could stretch the human anatomy before it become completely abstract.

In the end I realized that a lot of the new comics were purely style over substance. They looked cool and hip, but they were poorly written and the artwork was too extreme.

Liefeld is definitely one of the people that put me back off comics in the nineties because if people were going to have to top that they would have to do unholy things and break every rule we know about drawing the human anatomy.

Liefeld looks cool and dynamic, but only if you cast a casual glance, as soon as you look more closely you notice how shoddy his work really is.

And I'm really glad that people started to explore whole new styles and that comics today look better than the ever did with a great diversity of styles and designs. So let Liefeld have his Deathstroke, one more reason not do pick up the title.

#161 Posted by pingclang (290 posts) - - Show Bio

Ahhahahaahahaaa!!! Oh...they're serious...oh no.

#162 Posted by inferiorego (26835 posts) - - Show Bio

Ready for this?

Thank (your local deity) he is plotting Grifter! Liefeld will be a godsend to that book and to Savage Hawkman!

I'm not too into him drawing Deathstroke, but it will be interesting to see his writing.

This message brought to you by one of the few people that respects Rob Liefeld.

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#163 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

@inferiorego said:

Ready for this?

Thank (your local deity) he is plotting Grifter! Liefeld will be a godsend to that book and to Savage Hawkman!

I'm not too into him drawing Deathstroke, but it will be interesting to see his writing.

This message brought to you by one of the few people that respects Rob Liefeld.

am I the only one that was liking Grifter?

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#164 Posted by inferiorego (26835 posts) - - Show Bio

@aztek_the_lost said:

@inferiorego said:

Ready for this?

Thank (your local deity) he is plotting Grifter! Liefeld will be a godsend to that book and to Savage Hawkman!

I'm not too into him drawing Deathstroke, but it will be interesting to see his writing.

This message brought to you by one of the few people that respects Rob Liefeld.

am I the only one that was liking Grifter?

...Yes... But I think I was the only one liking Men of War.

Staff
#165 Posted by aztek_the_lost (28224 posts) - - Show Bio

@inferiorego said:

@aztek_the_lost said:

@inferiorego said:

Ready for this?

Thank (your local deity) he is plotting Grifter! Liefeld will be a godsend to that book and to Savage Hawkman!

I'm not too into him drawing Deathstroke, but it will be interesting to see his writing.

This message brought to you by one of the few people that respects Rob Liefeld.

am I the only one that was liking Grifter?

...Yes... But I think I was the only one liking Men of War.

Fair enough, although that reminds me that every book must have at least some fans which really makes it seem too bad that DC can't stay consistent with these new books, if they want these things to bring in new people how are those people going to react to everything constantly being changed? I know I hate it

Also, I'm annoyed that this means Bisley is coming off covers on Deathstroke, regardless of the fact that I don't like the book, I still love his covers...hopefully they get him and Esao Andrews on some New 52 books, Massimo Carnevale as well now that Northlanders is ending

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#166 Posted by CrimsonTempest (307 posts) - - Show Bio

Ladies, please contain your periods. Has anyone here thought that maybe the reason that Liefeld got to work on Deathstroke (total irony), Grifter (irony times 10), and Hawkman (?), is because DC is making good on his contract? Not like Marvel, who lets an artist like Ariel Olivetti stand there and do nothing since Iron Man 2.0 is canned?
 
Common sense; so rare, it's a superpower!

#167 Edited by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@inferiorego said:

Ready for this?

Thank (your local deity) he is plotting Grifter! Liefeld will be a godsend to that book and to Savage Hawkman!

I'm not too into him drawing Deathstroke, but it will be interesting to see his writing.

This message brought to you by one of the few people that respects Rob Liefeld.

My new favorite staffer.

Please buy the comics first, then complain. If you aren't buying them, you haven't earned the right to complain.

#168 Posted by IrishX (2421 posts) - - Show Bio
@inferiorego said:

@aztek_the_lost said:

@inferiorego said:

Ready for this?

Thank (your local deity) he is plotting Grifter! Liefeld will be a godsend to that book and to Savage Hawkman!

I'm not too into him drawing Deathstroke, but it will be interesting to see his writing.

This message brought to you by one of the few people that respects Rob Liefeld.

am I the only one that was liking Grifter?

...Yes... But I think I was the only one liking Men of War.

No. There are others who like the title (Grifter). The story has been average but the art has been good and even better since Scott Clark took over. But I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who cares about the Deathblow mention... 
 
Also I think it's stupid as hell if someone plans to drop the Grifter title because Liefeld is simply associated with it, he's not doing the art or writing it so I'd say that's a major overreaction.
#169 Posted by GothamRed (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

what, why? What does rob liefeld have on DC?

#170 Posted by ips (69 posts) - - Show Bio

how does this guy still have a career??

if someone is willing to pay him for his "work" ... they may as well take me on. i'm actually talented at least. sigh.

#171 Posted by BADJEREMIE (95 posts) - - Show Bio
#172 Posted by Sobe Cin (599 posts) - - Show Bio

@doordoor123: I don't exactly hate Liefeld, I am just majorly disappointed in the man. He is constantly late in producing his projects. And he draws at the level of infancy.

#173 Posted by NXH (1031 posts) - - Show Bio
#174 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

There's got to be hundreds, if not thousands of artists and writers in America that are looking to break into comics and would jump at the chance to work on one of those titles. Why is he still employed? Hawkman is the only one of those I read, so I'll get ready to cancel it.

#175 Edited by Gordo789 (201 posts) - - Show Bio

*facepalm* cause Liefeld did WONDERS for Hawk and Dove I'm sure. It's too bad DC decided to basically cancel these books.

#176 Posted by Darkmount1 (1279 posts) - - Show Bio

@Benuben: Wow. So the only character of Liefeld's that you think was good was only one member of Youngblood? No wonder people mock the guy on end....

#177 Posted by kennybaese (1133 posts) - - Show Bio

I didn't really care a ton about the other books, but it's a bummer about Deathstroke. Higgins run on the book has been pretty great.

#178 Posted by mrplowking (1 posts) - - Show Bio

No, it's not "cool" to hate Liefeld. It's just the truth.

He is, by far, one of the most talentless artists working in comics. How he keeps getting paid for his work is beyond me. Tiny feet, pouches galore and humongous guns... whatever.

Oh well, these are three books that I won't be picking up anymore.

#179 Edited by Dark Noldor (547 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsphsmth: Sorry, but I can complain at any time Mr, buying or not the product, especially if I had prior experience with the product and know that is shit! The readers have the right to say what is on their minds, it's something called freedom of speech, unlimited by any condition or clause, so I can say that Liefeld is a horrible artist (penciler and writer) and that I will not continue to buy the 3 ongoing titles that he's boarding! To impose your way of thinking is anti democratic and biased to the fact that Liefeld will produce good work, something that History proved wrong! I don't have to buy the comic to "earn" the right to complain, are you insane?!?

#180 Edited by SpitfireINK (242 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok - I know the long standing joke in comics is the "Liefeld" syndrome -

Liefeld gives Little kids everywhere can feel a false sense of hope that they too can one day be a Comics Illustrator

Since he's apparently not going to go away - (because of few character creations)

Can we ALL at least agree to Band together & help pay for this guy to take some Figure Drawing classes?

- or STOP BUYING his D*NG books!!! -

And Yes - I Can Out-Illustrate that Joker any day of the week -

#181 Posted by DarthShap (875 posts) - - Show Bio

@walkingcarpet said:

I didn't really care a ton about the other books, but it's a bummer about Deathstroke. Higgins run on the book has been pretty great.

It is a bummer indeed because it will not get any better but come one, the current series was already bad. I can pretty much sum it all up in a few sentences "Oooh yeah! Deathstroke is a badass ninja guy with the badass mysterious briefcase from pulp fiction and he has to fight a badass villain over and over again! EXTREME!"

This is just bad 90's Image comics. Deathstroke deserved way better.

#182 Posted by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dark Noldor said:

@jsphsmth: Sorry, but I can complain at any time Mr, buying or not the product, especially if I had prior experience with the product and know that is shit! The readers have the right to say what is on their minds, it's something called freedom of speech, unlimited by any condition or clause, so I can say that Liefeld is a horrible artist (penciler and writer) and that I will not continue to buy the 3 ongoing titles that he's boarding! To impose your way of thinking is anti democratic and biased to the fact that Liefeld will produce good work, something that History proved wrong!

Oh please. Try forming an intelligent arguement before using the Freedom of Speech card, kid. Nobody can offer an opinion on three comics that have not yet been created or published yet.

Your prior experience with a creator can and should be used to avoid a comic if they are on it. That make sense, but you cannot complain about it if you aren't reading it because you have no data to form an opinion.

#183 Posted by Dark Noldor (547 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsphsmth: Please "Kid", I can smell bad comics from far ahead, what about you? Do you read everything, do you buy all the comics availabe? I guess not and that's because you have likes and dislikes, right? And that opinion is formed upon the elements of characters, creative team involved, concepts, right? So, based upon my experience and what has been released of information I can say bad things about Liefeld's upcoming new titles without reading them!

#184 Posted by BatWatch (2812 posts) - - Show Bio

I was hoping somebody else was going to take over Teen Titans.

#185 Posted by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dark Noldor said:

@jsphsmth: Please "Kid", I can smell bad comics from far ahead, what about you? Do you read everything, do you buy all the comics availabe? I guess not and that's because you have likes and dislikes, right? And that opinion is formed upon the elements of characters, creative team involved, concepts, right? So, based upon my experience and what has been released of information I can say bad things about Liefeld's upcoming new titles without reading them!

No, I do not buy all the comics published. Nor do I make judgement about titles that I do not read because it would be unfair of me to speculate about the quality of those books.

I will continue buying all 52 of the DCNu for the first six months. That way I can make an intelligent decision about which titles I want to cut. I will do the same with the Second Wave.

You on the other hand can do whatever you want. I truly do not care. I have never run across you before on the boards and I hope not to do so again.

#186 Posted by progenitor (7551 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke vs. Lobo? LOL.

#187 Posted by Dark Noldor (547 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsphsmth: Uau Mr "kid" what an amazing display of intelligence and temper from you, way to show it, now I totaly get what you're trying to say, awesome!! Go on and be happy reading every trash that DC shoves at us! You're probably one of the guys that loved "52", "counting down to Final Crisis", "War of the Green Lanterns" and so far!

#188 Edited by Lone_Killer (4 posts) - - Show Bio

Liefeld? Why are you people still giving him work?

#189 Posted by blackkitty (340 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think it's fair to assume people hate Liefeld because it's "cool" to do so. I mean, I started off as everyone did. I got Youngblood, I collected his run on x-Factor and even followed him to get his series Coven. However, I have to say, what was I thinking. I look back at the stories now and realize they were mostly just gratitous fight scenes, character development was shallow if at all. He still hasn't learned to draw feet and it's almost funny watching the length he goes to to avoid doing it. Now, I disd check out his Hawk and Dove to see if Liefeld improved and... no. However enough's enough. Now to be fair, it seems DC is putting Liefeld on books the creative teams have abandoned anyway, so I suppose once can say, what's the worst that can happen?

#190 Posted by lagoonman (96 posts) - - Show Bio

now that deathstroke, grifter and hawkman are the next cancelled titles i suggest :spectre or phantom stranger for the dark line,doom patrol or freedom fighters for a team book,and vixen,atom(ryan choi) or hardware for a more diverse book.

#191 Posted by inferiorego (26835 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsphsmth said:

@inferiorego said:

Ready for this?

Thank (your local deity) he is plotting Grifter! Liefeld will be a godsend to that book and to Savage Hawkman!

I'm not too into him drawing Deathstroke, but it will be interesting to see his writing.

This message brought to you by one of the few people that respects Rob Liefeld.

My new favorite staffer.

Please buy the comics first, then complain. If you aren't buying them, you haven't earned the right to complain.

I win!

Staff
#192 Posted by p_rixx (23 posts) - - Show Bio

Judging by an overall negative reaction i'm afraid that grifter (which is one of the titles i really enjoy) would soon degrade to some mindless and tasteless (which is even more important) cheesy action. am i right?

i'm just trying to prepare for the worst...

#193 Posted by jsphsmth (1136 posts) - - Show Bio

@p_rixx: No, I don't think so. The ideas that he presented for Grifter sound good.

#194 Posted by King Quisling (1980 posts) - - Show Bio

Looks like 3 more canceled titles

#195 Posted by Video_Martian (5645 posts) - - Show Bio

@King Quisling said:

Looks like 3 more canceled titles

QFT

R.I.P. Hawkman :,(

#196 Posted by roarshock (16 posts) - - Show Bio

I agree with Apathetic Avenger. I don't care if its "cool" to hate Leifeld's work or not, his stuff is terrible and has always been. He hit a good stride with New Mutants and then into early X-Force issues, but we all quickly realized that his art is terrible, doenst hold up well and is, at times, just ridiculous. He still can't draw hands or feet, everyone's face looks exactly the same, 2 page panels of some dude's eye ball gets old and he is just so predictably bad that I won't buy his work no matter if his books are selling half a million copies of 5 copies. Now, as far as plotting, I might be willing to give that a chance (cuz I like Hawkman), but anything he draws, i won't buy. He should really enroll in a Joe Kubert class or two. Joe's sons could actually teach him a thing or two. There has been no growth at all in over 20 years of Leifeld's art. Its just as bad now as it was then.

#197 Posted by Yumulu (762 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't get it... why do DC like to sabotage themselves? They must have people in the editorial department that secretly work undercover for Marvel.

#198 Posted by Mutaform (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I will drop every book he is affiliated with.

#199 Posted by _Zombie_ (10455 posts) - - Show Bio

Not going to comment on what they'll be like.. but my experiences with Liefeld are not good. Deathstroke and Grifter are getting cut. Could care less about Hawkman, as I never really took interest in the book.

#200 Posted by Ganthetsward20 (687 posts) - - Show Bio

I like Rob Liefeld in Hawk and Dove, really so far he's been great, but I dont think i'd like him on Deathstroke...i really like how that story is going and the way that art work is. I dont like the his art on Deathstroke...it just reminds to much of the teen titans cartoon that i did not love, and it just really rubs me wrong. Him on thoes other books is fine, but really he dosnt fit the gritty look they have and feel. I have heard hes connected to deadpool and i know deathstroke and him are similar but I love how different they are and really really dont like him on this particular book....im going to cover my eyes and peek occasionally

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