Rob Liefeld, filled to the brim with charm and tact

Posted by Saren (25321 posts) - - Show Bio

Ripped right from Bleeding Cool:

Fresh from his litany of accusations against DC Comics’ working practices, Rob Liefeld seemed clear to set the record straight over his relationship with the folks at 1700 Broadway on Twitter, in the belief that they were about to spin against him. And he wanted to get in first.

When I speak of re-writes at DC, I’m speaking of having to implement the latest editorial directive. Mostly at the last minute. Deathstroke was left alone, mostly due to the fact that the sales on that series went up the most, furthest. GRIFTER is an important book to DC they want it to succeed. Grifter was supposed to be part of a huge fall cross-over. Grifter was to cross-over into a larger story with Helspont and the Daemonites. The other titles were Superman, Supergirl, Red Lantern.. I was told that Voodoo was ending and to implement her into the story. I had to connect to the events in the Superman annual. Grifter was featured in the Superman annual, as was Hawkman. I wrote Grifter #13 and it placed him in the center of the Daemonite plot.

I arrived at Comic-con to be informed that the Superman office changed their mind, whatever that means and there was now no fall cross-over. So issue #13 had to be re-written from page one. The Superman annual was also changed and Grifter was removed as was Hawkman. Voodoo still needed to be featured though as Grifter was her new home. All fine and good. You take a corporate assignment you take direction But when I speak of re-writes, they are of this nature and agenda. Then followed by, how are we going to get Grifter sales up? Again, part if the freelancer workload, but wanted clarification as to what I’m referencing in regards to re-writes. Not a dialogue change. After getting clearance on Grifter #0, late in the process, he could no longer be of alien heritage as I was writing him in issues #9-12. Took pride in making every change as fast as possible. But eventually U realize the loop is non-stop. I chose to exit-Loved the opportunity.

Deathstroke had not been problematic, the smoothest sailing until the #0 and the co-opting of Dstroke origin by another office doing Team 7. You roll up your sleeves and try to be fair dividing the baby up, fought to keep important plot and origin motives in the Dstroke book. Lots and lots of territorial fights. The entire time you must keep in mind that your book needs to show sales traction. I loved being deep in the corporate culture for a year. Did my best to be a good team player, was well compensated. Hawkman really worked, they let me rip, then there was an editorial shift and everything I’d laid out and was approved was unraveling.

I stood my ground in defense of what I thought was a strong, positive vision. Felt the editor wanted to write the book himself, quit July 4. On July 5th I was assured that there would be an editorial change, this cat had a bad track record and had previous creator conflicts. The top brass approves, is enthusiastic and then the editor says, let’s change things. You’re like, no, this is what has been approved… There was a directive of let’s make Helspont and important figure, let’s make him the focus. I like Helspont, no problem, then, sea change. And no, this isn’t juicy stuff, this is nuts and bolts stuff. Work process.

The new corporate culture of both companies has never been more stressful because they are in the cross hairs of parent companies. Hope that clarifies the nature of changes, comes with the game if you accept the assignments. The burn out us accelerated on your workload. There are plenty chairs that are being re-arranged as I type this. Guys on books now that won’t be there in January.

Ann Nocenti, God bless her, read my Hawkman #0 and suggested that it be a dream, uncertain, something we could drag out… I said NO, the readers deserve clarity and certainty, a reward for their investment of the last 6 months. My editor entertained her notion..

So I left. Then they said they would remove him. He was gone and 3 months of trying to undue what I’d started with previous editor was gone By July, I had a new editor, my 3rd on Hawkman in 6 months. My concern is it will be all Batman comics in 2 years as the Batman brand holds strong across the board. Batfamily accounts for 16 books.

Hawkman came together really well for all involved. I wrote 3 parts of WANTED, be interesting if those make it through. The synergy in trying to fuse the comics with the larger entertainment component can be very exciting. And rewarding. Last thing, there was one editor that had like 5 books canceled and was given a promotion? I was like huh?

Note how Rob seems to conform Bleeing Cool rumours of big creative and title changes in January. Though I’ve also been hearing rumours of how the switchovers may not be as neat as previously rumoured.

Then Marvel’s XXX Tom Brevoort, when asked if there was room at Marvel for Rob now, posted;

After that Twitter flame-out, I can’t say I’d be in a hurry to get onto that train.

And on Twitter, wrote in defence of DC editor Brian Smith, who had edited Hawkman.

Tom: I wasn’t there, I don’t know what happened, but having worked with him, I can vouch for yourpalsmitty as a stand-up guy. Not as he’s being made out to be.

Hey, you back the horse you like. All I can tell you is that his characterization of yourpalSmitty is off-base

With others joining in;

Gail Simone: Could not agree more about yourpalsmitty. Thanks for that, Tom.

David Gallaher: very interaction I’ve had with yourpalsmitty in the last 12 years has been super

Cue Rob, responding to Tom’s earlier comment;

Rob: Someone told me that loser fat ass Brevoort was talking trash about me today. I dropped him awhile back . I gotta coach football games..out

Sorry they passed you over for EIC Tommy B. Get over it and get back to mixing and matching Avengers and X-Men doucher

I know, Tommy B, why don’t u all tell Kirkman how “concerned” u are for his future post Marvel. That’s our funniest bit that we HOWL at.

Tom: You remain a sweetheart, Rob. Don’t go changing. Also, feel free to say any of this to my face, you feckless bully.

Takes a big man to go postal publicly on a young editor like that. kickspuppiestoo

Rob: happy to TomBrevoort then u can bump me with your gut

And FYI, I don’t drink. Haven’t touched liquor in 30 years.

And while all these tweets are publicly available, at least one was deleted…

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#1 Posted by Ravager4 (1627 posts) - - Show Bio

Just when I thought my opinion of Liefeld couldn't drop any lower than rock bottom, it hits the Earth's freckin core.

#2 Posted by BatWatch (2366 posts) - - Show Bio

I have no problem with Liefield's original post. I would be immensely frustrated if I had already written an arc, had it approved, and then was told I had to rewrite the whole thing, and he mentions stories like that happening constantly.

On the other hand, his responses to other people were down right childish.

#3 Posted by Dernman (14767 posts) - - Show Bio

Ya I just saw this awhile ago. The more I hear the things coming out of that @ss's mouth the more I can't stand him. 
 
One thing that continues to blow me away is how that talentless hack can disparage anyone's art. Especially when his art isn't even as good as the one he is criticizing.

#4 Posted by BushidoBlack (116 posts) - - Show Bio

@PsychoKnights said:

I have no problem with Liefield's original post. I would be immensely frustrated if I had already written an arc, had it approved, and then was told I had to rewrite the whole thing, and he mentions stories like that happening constantly.

On the other hand, his responses to other people were down right childish.

Yep. Liefeld is an assclown going by his comments. However, he has a right to be pissed of at the editorial. Completely messy situation.

#5 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (32864 posts) - - Show Bio

It's funny that he name drops Kirkman as an example as to why he doesn't need DC or Marvel, the funny part being that Kirkman has talent and is a pretty cool guy, Liefeld not so much.

#6 Posted by Imagine_Man15 (1801 posts) - - Show Bio

You know, at first I was kind of supporting Rob... he has a right to be upset with editorial making big, last minute changes to his work. But then I saw his responses... what an ass

#7 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

I understand where he's coming from regarding the whole editorial process changing and directing almost everything he writers, but seriously? Why the need for insults? It makes you look like an immature fool.

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#8 Posted by Dernman (14767 posts) - - Show Bio

I would have supported his complaints about editorial making changes in his books until I thought about it. He said the one book they interfered the least was Deathstroke. Funny because that is the book that has changed for the worst since he started on it. While I can understand him being upset I as a reader of those books can only imagine how much worse they would be if editorial didn't make those changes and be happy they did make them. Not only that but it seems to have driven him away so that will always be a plus to me. :p

#9 Posted by Dark_Vengeance_ (14587 posts) - - Show Bio

Liefeld. I have a song for you

#10 Posted by danhimself (22302 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jonny_Anonymous said:

It's funny that he name drops Kirkman as an example as to why he doesn't need DC or Marvel, the funny part being that Kirkman has talent and is a pretty cool guy, Liefeld not so much.

the funny thing is that he Kirkman had an argument sometime ago concerning Liefeld's work ethic that resulted in their collaboration on The Infinite coming to an end and the book ending completely

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I never really had a problem with Liefeld up until that point since I was really enjoying The Infinite despite his artwork on the title since Kirkman is such an amazing writer that I could ignore the art but for someone who has been in the industry as long as Liefeld has he really is quite unprofessional and after all of this I really don't see any company wanting to work with him again

#11 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

It is REALLY disappointing to read the flaming insults going on here. His frustrations at DC with the editorial process I can totally understand and do comprehend. The insults toward Brevoort not so much. I don't know...part of me still wants to think there may be something more to this that we aren't seeing on the Twitter posts and all. Just from this though, it does make me feel a bit let down at Liefeld's attitude though :/

#12 Edited by Decept-O (7274 posts) - - Show Bio

@RedheadedAtrocitus: You said what I was thinking. I have been thinking about it all for awhile and have to agree. It doesn't take much effort to take the high road. Still I wasn't in his situation so who knows.

I've had "bad jobs" in the past but a fellow doesn't make such comments about former employers, employees and the like. Just not good practice, no matter how awful a job may have been!

I mean, calling people names and making outright insults to other professionals in an industry where creators often interact frequently, just wasn't mature thinking and behavior on Liefeld's part. He may have ended up burning even more bridges than previously done.

Have defended Liefeld frequently but currently, I find it hard to do.

#13 Posted by lykopis (10756 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmmm. So much here that isn't known but Liefeld is really upset. I get the anger from editorial changes and the inconsistencies forcing him to change his story, not once but a few times but he is going after specific people. There is some bitterness no doubt at being at the mercy of environment but it is what it is. If you are getting paid for the job, then DO the job, free-lancer or not. I wish others weren't weighing in on this, it makes them appear bandwagony and sycophantish.

#14 Posted by Mercy_ (92629 posts) - - Show Bio

Tom Brevoort said something I actually liked. I'm not sure how that makes me feel.

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