Rob Liefeld?

Posted by nrgb2814 (118 posts) - - Show Bio

I've heard A LOT of bad things about this guy, Rob Liefeld. Sucky writing, sucky art, and sucky comments about some real go-getters in the comics industry. Are all of these things about him true, is anything by him worth picking up, or am I missing something?

#1 Posted by JediXMan (31252 posts) - - Show Bio

He can't draw feet, for one. That and he has this weird fetish for gigantic pockets and overcompensating guns.

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#2 Posted by Mercy_ (92997 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

He can't draw feet, for one. That and he has this weird fetish for gigantic pockets and overcompensating guns.

And spines that curve like nobody's business.

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#3 Posted by JediXMan (31252 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mercy_ said:

@JediXMan said:

He can't draw feet, for one. That and he has this weird fetish for gigantic pockets and overcompensating guns.

And spines that curve like nobody's business.

That, too. And a depth-perception issue.

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#4 Posted by nrgb2814 (118 posts) - - Show Bio

I also heard that Lobo looks like a pale Wolverine, now, and Deathstroke's head is abnormally tiny, sometimes.

#5 Posted by _Zombie_ (10462 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan said:

@Mercy_ said:

@JediXMan said:

He can't draw feet, for one. That and he has this weird fetish for gigantic pockets and overcompensating guns.

And spines that curve like nobody's business.

That, too. And a depth-perception issue.

Until recently, he couldn't draw a hand holding a sword, either. And, as another user pointed out (k4tz, I think), he's ridiculously inconsistent when it comes to weapon placement on a character's body.

#6 Posted by Renchamp (2926 posts) - - Show Bio

Art is not his strong point, for sure. His writing can be cliched, too. His plots, however, are just fine. In the 90s, he was the first to introduce the tough guy hero. It wasn't until Cable that heroes would blow the crap out of enemies instead of letting them escape. He established a mythos that lasted most of that early X-Force team. He is not my favorite, but I don't have as much hate for him since he created some of my favorite characters: Cable, Domino, and Deadpool. (Then again, this is all his past stuff. I don't know how he's doing now since I don't read DC.)

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#7 Posted by joshmightbe (25051 posts) - - Show Bio

@Renchamp: He did not invent that type of hero, there were several examples before hand like the Punisher, and Wolverine

#8 Edited by SoA (5139 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Posted by henryarguelles5 (366 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA: Great links, but they were missing one picture which should sum it up pretty readily:

#10 Posted by Renchamp (2926 posts) - - Show Bio

@joshmightbe said:

@Renchamp: He did not invent that type of hero, there were several examples before hand like the Punisher, and Wolverine

True, but they weren't like that in the main X-books. Wolverine was always a threat, but he never just tore into people in the main books. Cable was the first guy to rip into people in the main books on a consistent basis. Wolverine was much darker in his own books and the Punisher has always been like that, they just didn't act like this in the flagship titles. Liefeld made that okay.

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#11 Posted by Vance Astro (91366 posts) - - Show Bio

Liefeld is a terrible artist and writer. How he continues to get work is beyond me. 

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#12 Posted by joshmightbe (25051 posts) - - Show Bio

@Renchamp: In the 80s Wolverine killed people all the time. Punisher's whole gimmick is killing people. Cable wasn't much more than your standard soldier type hero that comes standard in most post apocalyptic sci-fi until better writers took over for Liefeld and made something interesting out of the character.

#13 Posted by SoA (5139 posts) - - Show Bio

@henryarguelles5: true but it is one pic i believe 40 or more can be further proof lol

#14 Posted by henryarguelles5 (366 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA: No, I agree 1000% percent - I hadn't seen half those pics. That Captain America pic is the one that I always remember.

#15 Posted by Katie24 (488 posts) - - Show Bio

He made some pretty cool characters for Image comics, however they were just rip-offs of other superhero's. However when he is not writing those comics they are pretty good. But yeah, Liefeld is a hack.

#16 Posted by henryarguelles5 (366 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro: Maybe because he draws the most unbelievable, hyper-sexualized women ever. I'll admit to being a kid and reading X-Force to ogle the ladies. Then I learned what real women look like...and I can't look at Liefeld's work without wondering if he's ever seen women with a spinal cord AND feet. I will say this for Liefeld though - he is right on about something most artists forget: NONE of his characters use a magic satchel. If it's not strapped on or sticking out or being carried or being dragged by the character, you can be damn sure it's folded up in one of the many pouches.

#17 Posted by KnightRise (4785 posts) - - Show Bio

@henryarguelles5: @ZombieBigfoot said:

@JediXMan said:

@Mercy_ said:

@JediXMan said:

He can't draw feet, for one. That and he has this weird fetish for gigantic pockets and overcompensating guns.

And spines that curve like nobody's business.

That, too. And a depth-perception issue.

Until recently, he couldn't draw a hand holding a sword, either. And, as another user pointed out (k4tz, I think), he's ridiculously inconsistent when it comes to weapon placement on a character's body.

This isn't even old, like: I think this is last month's issue. Awful, just awful.

#18 Posted by MadeinBangladesh (7690 posts) - - Show Bio

F*CK LIEFELD. I used to read Deathstorke until this SOB took over the book and ruined the book along with STROKE forever!

#19 Posted by TDK_1997 (15085 posts) - - Show Bio

He is bad artist and a writer but he has had his good moments and he still has some.

#20 Posted by haydenclaireheroes (9251 posts) - - Show Bio

@henryarguelles5: That is pretty bad

#21 Posted by Katie24 (488 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise said:

@henryarguelles5: @ZombieBigfoot said:

@JediXMan said:

@Mercy_ said:

@JediXMan said:

He can't draw feet, for one. That and he has this weird fetish for gigantic pockets and overcompensating guns.

And spines that curve like nobody's business.

That, too. And a depth-perception issue.

Until recently, he couldn't draw a hand holding a sword, either. And, as another user pointed out (k4tz, I think), he's ridiculously inconsistent when it comes to weapon placement on a character's body.

This isn't even old, like: I think this is last month's issue. Awful, just awful.

Thats not how you hold a sword! And Deathstroke's left foot!?!? God damn you, Rob Liefeld!!!! AAHHHHGGG!!!!!! I'm so glad he is leaving DC soon.

#22 Posted by henryarguelles5 (366 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise: There are literally no fingers grabbing Deathstroke's sword.

#23 Posted by JediXMan (31252 posts) - - Show Bio

@Katie24:

He's not even holding it. It's... kinda resting on his palm. Where are his fingers? His thumb is kinda just... there and in no way holding it.

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#24 Posted by Katie24 (488 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan: Even the lady (I don't know who she is.) isn't holding her swords right! Everyone is missing fingers!

#25 Posted by Vance Astro (91366 posts) - - Show Bio
@henryarguelles5 said:

@KnightRise: There are literally no fingers grabbing Deathstroke's sword.

It's sad, is what it is.
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#26 Posted by JediXMan (31252 posts) - - Show Bio

@Katie24 said:

@JediXMan: Even the lady (I don't know who she is.) isn't holding her swords right! Everyone is missing fingers!

Her hands look like lobster claws. It's just... wow.

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#27 Posted by Katie24 (488 posts) - - Show Bio

@JediXMan: Exactly! You would think that over the years, after being called out for his bogus "art", that he would make an extra effort to improve his weak spots and go over his drawings, looking for anatomical errors and stuff that just makes no sense. But then again if he did those things he just wouldn't be Rob Liefeld..........

#28 Posted by BiteMe-Fanboy (8048 posts) - - Show Bio

@KnightRise said:

@henryarguelles5: @ZombieBigfoot said:

@JediXMan said:

@Mercy_ said:

@JediXMan said:

He can't draw feet, for one. That and he has this weird fetish for gigantic pockets and overcompensating guns.

And spines that curve like nobody's business.

That, too. And a depth-perception issue.

Until recently, he couldn't draw a hand holding a sword, either. And, as another user pointed out (k4tz, I think), he's ridiculously inconsistent when it comes to weapon placement on a character's body.

This isn't even old, like: I think this is last month's issue. Awful, just awful.

I love how Deathstroke barely has a grip on his sword. And his left foot looks awesome.....-cough-

#29 Posted by JediXMan (31252 posts) - - Show Bio

@Katie24 said:

@JediXMan: Exactly! You would think that over the years, after being called out for his bogus "art", that he would make an extra effort to improve his weak spots and go over his drawings, looking for anatomical errors and stuff that just makes no sense. But then again if he did those things he just wouldn't be Rob Liefeld..........

We can hate all we want, but he still gets a nice paycheck. So he can laugh at the criticism all the way to the bank.

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#30 Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus (6885 posts) - - Show Bio

Liefeld is a matter of hit/miss with the fans. You either love him or hate him, simple as that really. I personally am a big fan of him, even if others wanna tease me about it ::Glares at Mercy from afar with the famed 'thousand yard stare' before continuing:: yet I know the criticism because even I can attest to how some of his artistic depictions were a total failure (i.e. Captain America). Regardless though, whether you love him or hate him, you have to admit he still had a style that you can recognize him by, and even is responsible for some original contributions (Deadpool, Cable).

#31 Posted by SoA (5139 posts) - - Show Bio

@henryarguelles5: the cap pic is one of the many atrocities committed by liefeld lol

#32 Edited by Duke_Nasty (1017 posts) - - Show Bio

He created a couple characters that other people made into great characters. Other than that he shouldn't be working,

#33 Posted by joshmightbe (25051 posts) - - Show Bio

Here's how we find a place for Liefeld, start a comic all about Clawster from He-Man and have him deal exclusively with crab people and 4 limb amputees

#34 Edited by RScottH08 (249 posts) - - Show Bio

I know it's all been said already, but I I feel the need to say it too. His art sucks, his writing is mediocre at best (thats being kind, cause I'm in a decent mood today), and he has messed up on a lot of good characters.

Now on the topic of him saying things about other writers is interesting too. Now I'm not fully aware of the situations or circumstances as to why things were said, but I'll try my best. Plesae feel free to add or correct me if you know more. Anyways I think the story goes that he tweeted a comment about a year and a half ago that caused some controversy about Stan Lee. I think some took it as him trying to defend Jack Kirby and saying Stan Lee didn't give Kirby enough credit (which some people do share that opinion), but others took it as straight disrespect to Stan Lee. Find it here.

http://famousfanboy.blogspot.com/2011/01/really-rob-liefeld-you-really-wanna-go.html#!/2011/01/really-rob-liefeld-you-really-wanna-go.html

He has also been critical of Alan Moore as well.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/ill-lyteracy/rob-liefeld-shoots-on-alan-moo/

Take it for what it is, there are people who agree with what he said, then there are people who don't. I'll give the guy credit for speaking his mind, but I'm still just not a fan at all, but thats just me.

#35 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

some more Lobo art

Just look at Lobo's right hand...... And to think that they printed this in an actual comic book! I expected more from you, DC, especially in the new 52! Shoulda kept the old artist and writer, those Deathstroke stories were awesome, and the art was awesome as well....

Nuff said!

#36 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

You can usually tell how talented a person is by how many haters he has & he has plenty.

#37 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4786 posts) - - Show Bio
@ChaosBlazer: Never mind that. Look at how badass he is when he chews! Needs more cups on table.
#38 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe said:

@ChaosBlazer: Never mind that. Look at how badass he is when he chews! Needs more cups on table.

lol

I'm surprised he managed to draw Lobo without any pouches.

#39 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4786 posts) - - Show Bio
@ChaosBlazer: He was too focused on that oddly proportioned sundae.
#40 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe: it is pretty weird... also is he eating chicken? Because that is not what a chicken leg looks like.

#41 Posted by Vance Astro (91366 posts) - - Show Bio
@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

You can usually tell how talented a person is by how many haters he has & he has plenty.

Are you saying that because people "hate" Rob Leifeld...he's talented? 
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#42 Posted by Billy Batson (58275 posts) - - Show Bio

BB

#43 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4786 posts) - - Show Bio
@ChaosBlazer: I believe it's a turkey leg. Possibly free-roam. In any case, he was eating a whole turkey when he drew it up.
#44 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@Billy Batson said:

BB

lol

link this pic to his Twitter, see how he responds :p

#45 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4786 posts) - - Show Bio
@ChaosBlazer said:

@Billy Batson said:

BB

lol

link this pic to his Twitter, see how he responds :p

Tell Liefeld Deathstroke's balls shouldn't be drawn in his mouth, too.
#46 Posted by Shamelesslysupportinaznballers (553 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

You can usually tell how talented a person is by how many haters he has & he has plenty.

Are you saying that because people "hate" Rob Leifeld...he's talented?

Whether he has talent or not is subjective but when you have posts like "he has no talent but yet I don't understand how he still gets work" well.....

#47 Posted by spidey 15 (17756 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

You can usually tell how talented a person is by how many haters he has & he has plenty.

Dude, i hope that was not a serious statement. Artists like John Buscema, Jim Lee, Stuart Immonen, Jack Kirby, Philip Tan, Paulo Siqueria and many more, i believe they barely have any haters and most of them are considered by many( and they truly are ) some of the most talented artists in the comic industry. If some people are truly hated like Rob, then it's because the don't do any good job. The fact that his art has so many errors, is not an opinion but a fact. If something you can see with your own eyes ( like flaws in the anatomy, hidden feet, no background, misplaced weapons etc..) is not a fact, then i don't know what it is. Also the fact that his style barely changed and improved through so many years, makes him even worse.

Also most of you guys, might like to check that!!! :)

http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings

#48 Posted by jackbensley777 (682 posts) - - Show Bio

he just draws disproportional overly large people, not realistic and inspired the whole 90s style or image style where people were ginormously ripped

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