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Wonder Woman #17 - Demination

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How will Wonder Woman deal with Zola's baby now that she knows the child could bring about the end of time?

The Good

The dialogue in this issue really struck me as spectacular. When we first open the comic we are greeted with a fantastic scene where Wonder Woman is debating how to tell Zola that her child could literally "bring about the end of time." The dynamic between the characters in this scene is amazing, from the expressions on their faces and the way they interact to the expressions on their faces. This isn't at all where that ends, however. In fact, it is just the beginning. This issue is chock full of incredible dynamic and character interactions that will have you laughing out loud. The story is just perfect, and Azzarello really uses this idea that the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" to his advantage in more than one way. These characters clearly do not want to work together, but sacrifices must be made. As a result, we get a highly entertaining comic with incredible dialogue and really interesting characters.

One particular interaction is revisited here which absolutely makes this issue worth picking up. If you read the "zero" issue of Wonder Woman you will remember we got a flash back to when Diana was a young girl. In it, we learn that she was not only trained to be a warrior at the hand of her mother and her sisters, but that she was also mentored by the God of War. There is a fantastic interaction between these two characters here where Diana engages in a discussion with War. It's really a great scene, but beyond that, it delves into the relationship between these two characters. Will she trust him? Will she be able to trust him? There are some big revelations in this issue and it might be what you have been waiting for.

The Bad

Nothing bad here. This issue is fantastic and will definitely be hard to put down.

The Verdict

Some issues of WONDER WOMAN are chock full of action and adventure. This one, however, focuses on intrigue and character development and pushes the story we have been seeing develop further than it's been pushed before. The result? Incredible character interaction and development and some great examples of how to write an interesting comic book story without beating everybody up. Beyond the fact that the creative team does a phenomenal job writing interesting and compelling character interactions, we also get to see them explored on a personal level. This issue will keep you at the edge of your seat wanting more, and will definitely leave you looking forward to Wonder Woman's next interaction with Orion. You know, because that dude is just the biggest jerk (and I kind of love it). Great art, amazing story, perfect pacing and a serious push forward in the direction of the story make this issue one you will not want to miss.

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So if Azzzarello is just making the same moves as previous writers, is he not repeating plot points? Just because someone else is guilty of the same thing, that does't absolve Azzarello.

As for your judgement on Marston's intentions with Wonder Woman and the Amazons, you're the one who's incorrect. I have been in touch with a member of the Marston family and they were the one who explained to me why Marston set up the Amazons the way he did. It was about accomplishment, not hatred towards men or the desire to rule them. This family member also advised me that Azzarello's run on Wonder Woman is not in line with Marston's vision. They also mentioned that they were very disappointed in the current treatment of Wonder Woman and her world in Diana's solo book.

If you're enjoying the book, I'm happy for you but this is not Wonder Woman to me and many others.

It's silly to complain about it, that's what it is.

Considering Marston was radical in just about every sense of the word and has been dead for over 50 years, I seriously doubt that person you spoke to has any better grasp of his mind and intentions than anyone else.

As for the 'many others'...well you weren't buying enough to prevent this.

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@Power_Guy said:

So if Azzzarello is just making the same moves as previous writers, is he not repeating plot points? Just because someone else is guilty of the same thing, that does't absolve Azzarello.

As for your judgement on Marston's intentions with Wonder Woman and the Amazons, you're the one who's incorrect. I have been in touch with a member of the Marston family and they were the one who explained to me why Marston set up the Amazons the way he did. It was about accomplishment, not hatred towards men or the desire to rule them. This family member also advised me that Azzarello's run on Wonder Woman is not in line with Marston's vision. They also mentioned that they were very disappointed in the current treatment of Wonder Woman and her world in Diana's solo book.

If you're enjoying the book, I'm happy for you but this is not Wonder Woman to me and many others.

It's silly to complain about it, that's what it is.

Considering Marston was radical in just about every sense of the word and has been dead for over 50 years, I seriously doubt that person you spoke to has any better grasp of his mind and intentions than anyone else.

As for the 'many others'...well you weren't buying enough to prevent this.

Wow.......you're so quick to dismiss anything that tarnishes Azzarello's take on Diana and her world. That is blind loyalty defined.

As far as my family source knowing Marston's intentions for Wonder Woman and her world, it is one of Marston's direct descendants not some 3rd cousin or step-nephew. I would bet every penny I have that this person knows Marston's intentions a lot better than you or Azzarello do.

As far as me and others not buying enough to prevent this, could the same be said about the changes made to other characters/books in the New 52 such as the Justice League International, Savage Hawkman, and Legion Lost - all of which are now or soon to be cancelled? Considering Wonder Woman is down almost 5K in unit sales since August and lost almost 1,500 units in sales last month alone, I wouldn't get too gutsy if I were you.

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@Power_Guy said:

Wow.......you're so quick to dismiss anything that tarnishes Azzarello's take on Diana and her world. That is blind loyalty defined.

As far as my family source knowing Marston's intentions for Wonder Woman and her world, it is one of Marston's direct descendants not some 3rd cousin or step-nephew. I would bet every penny I have that this person knows Marston's intentions a lot better than you or Azzarello do.

As far as me and others not buying enough to prevent this, could the same be said about the changes made to other characters/books in the New 52 such as the Justice League International, Savage Hawkman, and Legion Lost - all of which are now or soon to be cancelled? Considering Wonder Woman is down almost 5K in unit sales since August and lost almost 1,500 units in sales last month alone, I wouldn't get too gutsy if I were you.

No, thats simply because for once in several decades Wonder Woman is actually a good book that's worth reading.

You'd loose that bet because you havent been talking to Marston or one of his braincells, and I am pretty sure you have not been talking to any of his kids, so chances are you've been talking to someone who's never met him.

I'll be as gutsy as I like, thing is not only is the book critically praised, it is still constantly seeing better sales than any other run in at least a decade. So yeah, its a critical and financial success, dont expect to see your version again.

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@Outside_85 said:

@Power_Guy said:

Wow.......you're so quick to dismiss anything that tarnishes Azzarello's take on Diana and her world. That is blind loyalty defined.

As far as my family source knowing Marston's intentions for Wonder Woman and her world, it is one of Marston's direct descendants not some 3rd cousin or step-nephew. I would bet every penny I have that this person knows Marston's intentions a lot better than you or Azzarello do.

As far as me and others not buying enough to prevent this, could the same be said about the changes made to other characters/books in the New 52 such as the Justice League International, Savage Hawkman, and Legion Lost - all of which are now or soon to be cancelled? Considering Wonder Woman is down almost 5K in unit sales since August and lost almost 1,500 units in sales last month alone, I wouldn't get too gutsy if I were you.

No, thats simply because for once in several decades Wonder Woman is actually a good book that's worth reading.

You'd loose that bet because you havent been talking to Marston or one of his braincells, and I am pretty sure you have not been talking to any of his kids, so chances are you've been talking to someone who's never met him.

I'll be as gutsy as I like, thing is not only is the book critically praised, it is still constantly seeing better sales than any other run in at least a decade. So yeah, its a critical and financial success, dont expect to see your version again.

Honestly, I don't know if my source had met Marston but they have a very close relationship with his wife who was very insightful as to what Marston wanted for the character.

Yes, the book has critics that like it AND it has critics that don't care for it just like any book does. Critical success means just about nothing when it comes to the bottom line or fan acceptance. Plus, I've heard whispers that a lot of the positive reviews that this book has been given on popular comic sites have been "motivated by payola" in the form of previews and interviews with the creative team. The book was also deep discounted to retailers for the first 6 months of it's run which is why it seemed to sell so well at first.

As far as the book selling better than any other run in the last decade, that's inaccurate as well as there have been many successful runs on Wonder Woman in the last decade by Jimenez, Rucka, Heinburg, and even the beginning of Simone's run. Plus how good can this book really be classified as selling when it's down nearly 5K un units since August? The book is starting to tank so how long do you honestly think "your version" is going to last?

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@Power_Guy: Name a run that's consistently sold better. The ones you've mentioned only spiked for certain issues, nothing more. And loosing 5k readers in 6 months, normal, every book sheds that amount.

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@Power_Guy: Name a run that's consistently sold better. The ones you've mentioned only spiked for certain issues, nothing more. And loosing 5k readers in 6 months, normal, every book sheds that amount.

Really? Has Justice League shed that many since August? How about Batman?

And how is Azzarello's run selling consistent at all when it's lost 5K in unit sales since August and 1,500 in just the last month?

When the book first launched it came in at #16 on Diamond's top 100 chart. Last month, it wasn't even in the top 50.

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@Superguy1591 said:

@Outside_85: And Superman and Wonder Woman are set to interact in the next books(Wonder Woman and Superman # 20)

Is saracasm directed at the fact that it seems that the JL series as become the Superman/Wonder Woman series because if so I agree.

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