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Wonder Woman #0 - The Lair of the Minotaur! Review

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Diana's origin story is revealed in the zero issue of her self titled series.

The Good

Hands down, this is a fantastic issue of WONDER WOMAN. It's clear that both Brian Azzarello and Cliff Chiang channeled old Wonder Woman comics when they sat down to create this issue. The dialogue is very similar to the type of dialogue and narrative that you would see in early Wonder Woman comics. Cliff also does a great job capturing the look and feel of Diana as a pre-teen.

This issue does a few things really well. It explores Diana's psyche; who she is and where she came from, which is exactly what a good "zero issue" should do. Diana has endured this sense of despair about having been "born of clay." The Amazon Princess struggled to gain acceptance and respect from her peers while she was growing up, and I think it's interesting to see that referenced here in this issue. It's definitely an experience that helped mold Diana's personality.

The end of the issue also features a scene where Wonder Woman is faced with a troubling reality; what does it mean to be a true warrior? She demonstrates that although others may have certain expectations of her, she will be true to herself first and foremost; even if it means losing the respect of someone she looks up to. It's an interesting notion and I think it's one of the most important scenes in her series so far. This scene is Azzarello's way of showing the reader the kind of person that Diana is. In this scene, Accarello is essentially shaping the woman that she will grow up to be and defining her moral code. She will not kill if she does not have to. That's pretty heavy for a thirteen-year old.

The Bad

Now, this isn't necessarily a "bad" thing, I just wasn't quite sure where to put it. One of the characteristics that defined Diana was the idea that she was raised on an island of women, isolated from men. She was groomed by female warriors to be the greatest female warrior. In Azzarello's version of Diana's origin, he changes all that. Diana first meets a man when she is confronted by the God of War who agrees to train her, if she is willing. In this issue Diana agrees and she is taught by a man to be the greatest warrior. On the surface, this doesn't seem like too much of a problem, or even a really big change; but for a longtime fan of the character, this change to her origin has massive implications.

Azzarello presents a good point. Could Diana really be the ultimate, most badass warrior there every existed without a well-rounded education and a broad skill-set? To be the ultimate warrior Diana would not only need to gain the perspective of her Amazonian peers and her mother, but the perspective of the God of War as well -- who just so happens to be a man. Only with that well rounded education could she surpass her peers.

Yet, could this change could also be viewed as Azzarello's way of implying that Diana could never be one of the greatest warriors ever to exist if taught by an island full of women? That does change things a bit, doesn't it?

You can view the events in a couple of different ways. Either there are sexist undertones present in this issue, or this is Azzarello's way of explaining that Diana needed additional perspective in order to become a great warrior.

The Verdict

While I can see how this could be a contentious issue, the more I think about it, the more I find I like the idea. By establishing War as a father figure to Diana she is being developed into a more well-rounded character. Not only did she gain a father-figure to teach her, but she also gained a more well rounded warrior skill-set. Having said that, is this something that couldn't be achieved with just women? Does Wonder Woman need a man to be a whole character? I think that this issue left me with more questions than answers about the identity of Wonder Woman's character and it will be interesting to see how they alter her persona in the coming issues.

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Posted by MuyJingo

How is it sexist for including men? It was sexist from the start for excluding men.

Posted by SolthesunGod

I don't think Diana could become a master of martial arts if she only trained with one group of people regardless of their level of skill. We saw that Batman had mutiple trainers in mutiple disciplines and there's a reason. The Amazons are no doubt skilled but they've isolated themselves from the outside world and they just wouldn't be aware of all the different fighting styles and disciplines in the world at large that Diana would encounter as Wonder Woman. Ares would. He's also connected to her by blood and her role as a warrior. Athena is the goddess of war too but she's just not tied to the Amazons like Ares is.

I have a simlar issue with the post 52 Diana though. I just don't see how she could be an expert diplomat at 23 if she only dealt with members of one culture and one gender her entire life. Her fighting skill could always be explained away by her powers but her skills at diplomacy are something that she'd need life experience to be good at.

I did have an issue with this issue though. I thought it seemed very sinister that Diana took the harpy's egg to bake a cake. Killing the offspring of a creature intelligent enough to have a conversation with Diana just seemed wrong. It made me uncomfortable.

Posted by SolthesunGod

This take on War/Ares really reminded me of Destruction from the Endless. I wonder if that deliberate or accidental.

Posted by jointron33

the harpy egg theft was an homage to silver age superdickery

Posted by CircularLogic

The very idea that somehow excluding one gender would somehow make a paradise is sexist and frankly insulting. Plus, I'm pretty sure that figures like Margaret Thatcher, Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman have proved that woman can be just as insane and war-mongering as men.

I enjoyed this issue. Of course Diana would be a stronger warrior training with Ares than just with the island of women, he's the living embodiment of war! At most, the one thing people can complain about with this series is that Wonder Woman is no longer a champion of truth and compassion, but it's not like she became a heartless b**ch. Azzarello is writing perhaps the only memorable storyline Wonder Woman has had since the 1970's (Gaile Simone's run being the only exception), so just enjoy the ride.

Posted by RedX9

It was a great issue, but it depends on how you look at what it means to be a warrior. In some way, being a warrior doesn't mean you have to kill, it means you do whats right in your heart. The Amazons and the God of War thinks weapons and killing make them great, but Diana has gone beyond that teaching. it makes for one hell of a story

Posted by No_Name_

@MuyJingo said:

How is it sexist for including men? It was sexist from the start for excluding men.

I think that's a very good point. I can see both perspectives.

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@CircularLogic said:

Of course Diana would be a stronger warrior training with Ares than just with the island of women, he's the living embodiment of war! At most, the one thing people can complain about with this series is that Wonder Woman is no longer a champion of truth and compassion, but it's not like she became a heartless b**ch.

^^ That's a great point.

Posted by jointron33

so perez's run isnt memorable?

Posted by SolthesunGod

@CircularLogic said:

The very idea that somehow excluding one gender would somehow make a paradise is sexist and frankly insulting. Plus, I'm pretty sure that figures like Margaret Thatcher, Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman have proved that woman can be just as insane and war-mongering as men.

That comment definately gave me a chuckle.

Posted by MuyJingo

@Babs said:

@MuyJingo said:

How is it sexist for including men? It was sexist from the start for excluding men.

I think that's a very good point. I can see both perspectives.

I can understand there being an appeal to a character like Diana, not needing the touch of man at all, being entirely independent and strong without a man having anything to do with it. It was a powerful narrative tool given what women were going through just to get equal rights.

I think they kind of killed that when they gave her a boyfriend though. So let her be trained by other men and interact with other men as it makes sense narrative, and explore gender dynamics through the island rather than the singular character.

My 2c.

Posted by CircularLogic

@jointron33 said:

so perez's run isnt memorable?

touche, but face it, Wonder Woman has always been well known, never popular. Whereas even someone who absolutely despises, let's say, Batman, or Captain America, or any other A-lister, as long as they are somewhat familiar with comics they could probably name a good 2-3 storylines involving said character. Wonder Woman is the sole exception to this rule. Hell, I'd argue that you'd need to be at least a passing fan of wonder Woman's to even know about the Perez run.

Posted by dadarkknight

Exactly, and people have to realize those stories came out back in the days when women were fighting for their rights of equality and Wonder Woman and her amazon sisters represented the the woman during that time when they had to do a lot of the men jobs when they were fighting in WWII Wonder Woman was a symbol like Rosie the Riveter. People seem to forget the new 52 is a modernization of the DC Universe. I also feel that Diana could truly be one of the greatest warriors when she is only trained by only one group of people.

Posted by x_29

This review is...smh. Still going to buy it.

Posted by Izaiah

Anyone else notice the owl? I kept expecting Athena to appear in the issue after that.

Posted by LightningTiger2190

@Babs said:

@CircularLogic said:

Of course Diana would be a stronger warrior training with Ares than just with the island of women, he's the living embodiment of war! At most, the one thing people can complain about with this series is that Wonder Woman is no longer a champion of truth and compassion, but it's not like she became a heartless b**ch.

^^ That's a great point.

Yea, I agree. Ares is the God of War. Him being male is irrelevant. He is supposedly the embodiment of combat, so what better place to become the greatest warrior than to learn from him. Imagine Batman and WW swapped places. Now imagine Bruce was offered teaching by Athena to become the greatest strategic mind and Amazons were all male instead. Athena's gender wouldn't even come into consideration. Her status is more important than her physiology. Likewise for Ares.

Posted by SolthesunGod

@Izaiah said:

Anyone else notice the owl? I kept expecting Athena to appear in the issue after that.

Maybe it was a Easter Egg for readers. Athena will probably be popping up soon in Wonder Woman. We've had most of the Pantheon already.

Edited by ArtisticNeedham

I haven't read the issue yet, but I think maybe they could have done the similar idea with Athena or a female god instead of War.

Posted by SmashBrawler

@ArtisticNeedham said:

I haven't read the issue yet, but I think maybe they could have done the similar idea with Athena or a female god instead of War.

Not really. Ares, being the God of War, is the only one who could have taught Diana the art of war and combat so well. Not to mention that his nature as the God of War is important for a crucial moment by the end of the issue

Posted by UltraBiel

She training with Ares is weird to me too! The rest was ok for me!

Edited by dadarkknight

@artisticneedham But isn't that being sexist. Why is it that the only people that should have anything positive to do with Wonder Woman be female. Even Superman had people from both genders help shape him into the person he is.

Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7

I don't really have a problem with Diana being trained by a man, however, this does feel like more of the de-emphasizing of positive female influences in Diana's life that has been apart of Azz's run so far. I liked the issue, though. 4 stars from me as well.

Posted by KnightRise

I'm still not sure on the tone like a Golden Ages tale. In one way, it was fun and funny, almost like a self-parody as

Posted by JonesDeini

@jointron33 said:

the harpy egg theft was an homage to silver age superdickery

Yup! Loved the silver age style of the opening pages of this issue. Loved this issue all around actually, especially the relationship between Diana & War.

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Looking for new stuff to read...is Wonder Woman worth picking up?

Posted by SmashBrawler

@BreZeJ said:

Looking for new stuff to read...is Wonder Woman worth picking up>

Yes it is. It's actually one of my favourite series right now.

Posted by hyperman

Disappointing! i was hoping to get to see more about how she became wonder woman, how she met steve trevor and how she got her costume and lasso. I think Azzarello's issues are rather overrated. Instead of learning about her origin in this new continuity, we only could have one more little story about young princess Diana.

The idea of having Diana trained by Ares is not weird to me, we saw Artemis (Goddess) turned into a foe and Ares is now some kind of godfather, let's remember that in pre-flash point universe these things worked the other way round. so it makes sense now,well.. kind of.

Posted by BreZeJ

@SmashBrawler: Know a good starting point, besides this issue? I was wondering, because I didn't want to go back too far if I didn't have to since I'm trying to catch up in some other series also. Also any other suggestions on some books to pick up?

Posted by Outside_85

Like others here I don't really have a problem with Ares teaching Diana, partially because the original concept was flawed in the sense it just went over into the other trench and that just doesn't work as well today as it once did. Secondly because it makes sense that for Diana to be superior to her sisters, she would need either immense talent or a very good teacher that didn't teach any of the others. And in this case she got perhaps the best there is (normally I picture Ares as the Soldier that's in the thick of the fighting while Athena is the commander standing at the back and directs the troops).

Also we do get an explanation why Ares is so lethargic these days.

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Posted by jrock85

Azzarello is pouring his heart into portraying Diana as the terrific character that she is and always was intended to be, so I find it incredibly frustrating to see Johns undermining everything he's trying to establish with his horrendous interpretation of the character in JL.

Posted by That60sGuy

@CircularLogic said:

@jointron33 said:

so perez's run isnt memorable?

touche, but face it, Wonder Woman has always been well known, never popular. Whereas even someone who absolutely despises, let's say, Batman, or Captain America, or any other A-lister, as long as they are somewhat familiar with comics they could probably name a good 2-3 storylines involving said character. Wonder Woman is the sole exception to this rule. Hell, I'd argue that you'd need to be at least a passing fan of wonder Woman's to even know about the Perez run.

Agreed.

Posted by Grimoire

@LightningTiger2190 said:

@Babs said:

@CircularLogic said:

Of course Diana would be a stronger warrior training with Ares than just with the island of women, he's the living embodiment of war! At most, the one thing people can complain about with this series is that Wonder Woman is no longer a champion of truth and compassion, but it's not like she became a heartless b**ch.

^^ That's a great point.

Yea, I agree. Ares is the God of War. Him being male is irrelevant. He is supposedly the embodiment of combat, so what better place to become the greatest warrior than to learn from him. Imagine Batman and WW swapped places. Now imagine Bruce was offered teaching by Athena to become the greatest strategic mind and Amazons were all male instead. Athena's gender wouldn't even come into consideration. Her status is more important than her physiology. Likewise for Ares.

I completely agree. Rounding out the character to give greater perspective than she would get just from those living on the island is sound reasoning.

Posted by cbishop

@BreZeJ said:

@SmashBrawler: Know a good starting point, besides this issue? I was wondering, because I didn't want to go back too far if I didn't have to since I'm trying to catch up in some other series also. Also any other suggestions on some books to pick up?

Pick up whatever issues you can - you'll be kicking yourself if you don't. However, the first TPB should be coming out in the next few months, and it collects #1-6.

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Posted by cbishop

@Babs said:

@MuyJingo said:

How is it sexist for including men? It was sexist from the start for excluding men.

I think that's a very good point. I can see both perspectives.

I don't think it's sexist. Marston created Wonder Woman to be a positive role model for girls, not to show that women don't need men. I think that separating the Amazons to a place that no man could set foot was less to make the book gender exclusive, than it was to make a plausible explanation to the reader how these Amazons could exist on this comic Earth, when they don't exist in our world. For some reason, when we add a fictional place to Earth, we feel the need to explain how it could exist without anyone ever finding it, until the story started.

Ares training Diana is not somehow a degradation to her character, but a reinforcement of it. How well does Wonder Woman fight? Let's put it this way: Batman had a list of guys who taught him. Diana learned from the master - she learned from a frickin' god. And despite his godhood, and her probable worship of him (along with the other gods), her character came through, when his orders contradicted her moral fiber. He says, "Kill your enemy." She says, "I won't."

Ares may have trained her beyond the norm for an Amazon, but he didn't shape her personality, and he didn't shape her character. I think this was nowhere near sexist. It showed the strength she already had, and emphasized that she could stand without Ares, even if it meant standing against him.

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Posted by SmashBrawler

@BreZeJ said:

@SmashBrawler: Know a good starting point, besides this issue? I was wondering, because I didn't want to go back too far if I didn't have to since I'm trying to catch up in some other series also.

I personally recommend the first TPB (Wonder Woman: Blood), and let you decide. You could also start with issue 13, which is the one that comes right after this one.

Also any other suggestions on some books to pick up?

Well, I don't know what are you already reading so I don't know what to recommend

Posted by SolthesunGod

@BreZeJ said:

Looking for new stuff to read...is Wonder Woman worth picking up?

Wonder Woman is one of the best books in the market at the moment. Everyone should be reading it. It always delivers. Even if occasionally there are little moments like the Harpy and her age it's still a great title. Art has been very consistent too even with the rotating penciller which is something that I always appreciate. I think it's very challenging to select two complimentary artists to work on a book.

Posted by Webjaker

The way i always took it was that as the Gods are otherworldly, War was not really a 'man' - Yes, the gods do tend to have gender, but I always felt they were supposed to be more 'other' than male or female. So that Diana would see him as a God, not a Man and therefore it may still be shocking the first time she met a human male (?) though in this series, there has been little mentioned into Diana's views concerning the genders

Posted by lifeboy

@BreZeJ said:

Looking for new stuff to read...is Wonder Woman worth picking up?

WW is my favorite character tied with superman, but this series has stunk to me. the art is bad and the comic doesnt have more thn 10 minutes content. i dropped my subscription after 8 issues. i would suggest picking up 0 issue and seeing if it is something you would like. the individual issues are self contained and the writing is pretty leveled throughout all issues so from reading 0 you will know the tone and how the rest of the series will be.

Posted by cbishop

@SolthesunGod said:

I have a simlar issue with the post 52 Diana though. I just don't see how she could be an expert diplomat at 23 if she only dealt with members of one culture and one gender her entire life. Her fighting skill could always be explained away by her powers but her skills at diplomacy are something that she'd need life experience to be good at.

Some people are just natural born peacemakers and spin-artists. A lifetime of ridicule and being treated like an outcast can easily have made her good at diplomacy - when it seems that everyone is against you, you tend to treat whoever might speak with you in a way geared towards making them a friend and ally. 23 is plenty old enough to have developed that skill. Applying it on an international basis is just stepping things up a bit.

@SolthesunGod said:

I did have an issue with this issue though. I thought it seemed very sinister that Diana took the harpy's egg to bake a cake. Killing the offspring of a creature intelligent enough to have a conversation with Diana just seemed wrong. It made me uncomfortable.

I think that was metaphorically speaking. She wasn't literally using the egg to bake a cake, but without the egg to present as a gift to her mother, her birthday would not be celebrated at all. So by presenting the egg as a gift, she ensured her birthday would be celebrated, which means she got her cake. ;)

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@cbishop said:

@SolthesunGod said:

I have a simlar issue with the post 52 Diana though. I just don't see how she could be an expert diplomat at 23 if she only dealt with members of one culture and one gender her entire life. Her fighting skill could always be explained away by her powers but her skills at diplomacy are something that she'd need life experience to be good at.

Some people are just natural born peacemakers and spin-artists. A lifetime of ridicule and being treated like an outcast can easily have made her good at diplomacy - when it seems that everyone is against you, you tend to treat whoever might speak with you in a way geared towards making them a friend and ally. 23 is plenty old enough to have developed that skill. Applying it on an international basis is just stepping things up a bit.

@SolthesunGod said:

I did have an issue with this issue though. I thought it seemed very sinister that Diana took the harpy's egg to bake a cake. Killing the offspring of a creature intelligent enough to have a conversation with Diana just seemed wrong. It made me uncomfortable.

I think that was metaphorically speaking. She wasn't literally using the egg to bake a cake, but without the egg to present as a gift to her mother, her birthday would not be celebrated at all. So by presenting the egg as a gift, she ensured her birthday would be celebrated, which means she got her cake. ;)

I really don't think it is. I think the whole concept of Wonder Woman only works if she's not even on the wrong side of her 20s. She's supposed to be seasoned. How many 23 year old ambassors do you know? The youngest documented ambassador is a british woman and she's still 31.

Even if the harpy egg wasn't literally used to make her birthday cake, it was the still the egg of an intelligent creature that Diana stole. It's my one big gripe with that issue. She spared the Minotaur because she could tell it wasn't just an animal but then she stole the offspring of an intelligent creature. Suppose you could say the egg actually showed character evolution. Maybe that's something the Diana at the end of the book would have refused to do.

Posted by divingfalcon713

I'm actually glad that they've stopped using the fact that he's an incarnation of war to make him one of her villains. It was really refreshing to see a new take on him as a mentor. Because I feel like along with her diplomacy that she probably inherited from Athena, she is also a warrior. If she's the best, he would naturally have some part to play in that.

Posted by Zoch81

I liked this issue I dont have problem with Ares training Diana he is god of war who better train her to be the greatest warrior, the one thing I didn't like was some of dialogue from Ares just find hard understand what he was saying but just way Azzarello writes which sometimes find his writing annoying I liked golden age feel overall I thought this was good issue.

Posted by DEADPOOL

Why is it necessary for Wonder Woman to be the ultimate feminist?

Posted by Zeeguy91

I really loved this issue. I don't think that being taught by Ares is much of a problem. Its not as if she was totally clueless in combat before Ares got his hands on her. She was already shown to be one of the best of her peers if not the best, Ares' training just helped her get further ahead of the curve. 
 
Plus, I love how Azzarello spoiled what the name of the next Wonder Woman tpb is: Iron.

Posted by fanboiii

@DEADPOOL: She was created for feminist reasons as first major female superhero, so fans have come to expect that. I do think that the feminist expectation has become somewhat overbearing. People have widely different ideas what feminism means and every aspect of her comics get nitpicked under that light.

As long as she has good character, that's feminist enough for me.

Posted by cbishop

@SolthesunGod said:

I really don't think it is. I think the whole concept of Wonder Woman only works if she's not even on the wrong side of her 20s. She's supposed to be seasoned. How many 23 year old ambassors do you know? The youngest documented ambassador is a british woman and she's still 31.

Even if the harpy egg wasn't literally used to make her birthday cake, it was the still the egg of an intelligent creature that Diana stole. It's my one big gripe with that issue. She spared the Minotaur because she could tell it wasn't just an animal but then she stole the offspring of an intelligent creature. Suppose you could say the egg actually showed character evolution. Maybe that's something the Diana at the end of the book would have refused to do.

Since when does the DCU in any way reflect the real world, when it comes to its metahumans? Being a 23 year old ambassador is just another thing that shows how super Wonder Woman is. Besides that, it's DCU fact - like it or don't, that's the way it is.

Back to the egg - nothing was said of what was done with the harpy's egg. It might have been horrible to steal it, but for all we know, Hippolyta sent it back, to keep the harpies from attacking or something.

@fanboiii said:

@DEADPOOL: She was created for feminist reasons as first major female superhero, so fans have come to expect that. I do think that the feminist expectation has become somewhat overbearing. People have widely different ideas what feminism means and every aspect of her comics get nitpicked under that light.

As long as she has good character, that's feminist enough for me.

She was not created for feminist reasons. She was created to show a strong female role model for girls, but at the time of her creation, a "role model for girls" was one that showed deference to men. Diana was 3rd to Superman and Batman for many years. The feminism came years later. If I had to pinpoint it, I'd say it was around the same time as that white jumpsuit phase.

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@cbishop said:

@SolthesunGod said:

I really don't think it is. I think the whole concept of Wonder Woman only works if she's not even on the wrong side of her 20s. She's supposed to be seasoned. How many 23 year old ambassors do you know? The youngest documented ambassador is a british woman and she's still 31.

Even if the harpy egg wasn't literally used to make her birthday cake, it was the still the egg of an intelligent creature that Diana stole. It's my one big gripe with that issue. She spared the Minotaur because she could tell it wasn't just an animal but then she stole the offspring of an intelligent creature. Suppose you could say the egg actually showed character evolution. Maybe that's something the Diana at the end of the book would have refused to do.

Since when does the DCU in any way reflect the real world, when it comes to its metahumans? Being a 23 year old ambassador is just another thing that shows how super Wonder Woman is. Besides that, it's DCU fact - like it or don't, that's the way it is.

Back to the egg - nothing was said of what was done with the harpy's egg. It might have been horrible to steal it, but for all we know, Hippolyta sent it back, to keep the harpies from attacking or something.

It was an egg. She said it was for a cake. I think that's pretty self-explanatory. The whole thing with egg and later the Minotaur showed character development for Diana though so I don't mind anymore. We saw her develop empathy that maybe isn't present in her sisters.

DCU universe reflects the real world when it uses the planet earth, it's cultures, it's cities etc as it's back drop. The metahumans, amazons are aliens etc are things they are adding to a real world setting. There is no need to get snippy because I don't agree with you.

Posted by Owie

I was "eh" on this compared to some other issues.  The way they used old-school narrative boxes/language and thought bubbles was a fun idea, but it added a layer of camp on top of a serious story, so they didn't mesh.

Posted by cbishop

@SolthesunGod said:

It was an egg. She said it was for a cake. I think that's pretty self-explanatory. The whole thing with egg and later the Minotaur showed character development for Diana though so I don't mind anymore. We saw her develop empathy that maybe isn't present in her sisters.

DCU universe reflects the real world when it uses the planet earth, it's cultures, it's cities etc as it's back drop. The metahumans, amazons are aliens etc are things they are adding to a real world setting. There is no need to get snippy because I don't agree with you.

I still think the egg/cake comment was her implying that by giving the gift of the egg to her mother, her birthday would be acknowledged.

You are adding tone to my comment that wasn't there - I wasn't being snippy. Someone has to be a real jerk online for me to even approach snippy with them, and even then, it's to shut them down with facts. If I'm proven wrong on something, I usually try to acknowledge it - can't be right all the time. I was presenting an alternate opinion to yours - perhaps a bit flatly, but it wasn't meant to be snippy. I was actually more laughing, when I typed it. ;)

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@cbishop said:

@SolthesunGod said:

It was an egg. She said it was for a cake. I think that's pretty self-explanatory. The whole thing with egg and later the Minotaur showed character development for Diana though so I don't mind anymore. We saw her develop empathy that maybe isn't present in her sisters.

DCU universe reflects the real world when it uses the planet earth, it's cultures, it's cities etc as it's back drop. The metahumans, amazons are aliens etc are things they are adding to a real world setting. There is no need to get snippy because I don't agree with you.

I still think the egg/cake comment was her implying that by giving the gift of the egg to her mother, her birthday would be acknowledged.

You are adding tone to my comment that wasn't there - I wasn't being snippy. Someone has to be a real jerk online for me to even approach snippy with them, and even then, it's to shut them down with facts. If I'm proven wrong on something, I usually try to acknowledge it - can't be right all the time. I was presenting an alternate opinion to yours - perhaps a bit flatly, but it wasn't meant to be snippy. I was actually more laughing, when I typed it. ;)

Well then I apologize if I took you up the wrong way.

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