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The Walking Dead #404 - Indifference Review

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Rick and Carol go on a supply run while Daryl, Tyreese, Michonne and Bob continue their search for medicine.

Wow, that just happened, didn't it?

Seeing as this is a spoiler-free review, the specifics of this episode's conclusion won't be addressed in detail, but there's simply no denying "Indifference" is an episode which is sure to stem plenty of conversations and make you reflect on the fictional world. Is Rick the kind of leader this group needs right now? How much humanity does one really need to shed in this scenario? Did Carol truly make the right call? Did Rick make the right call? Without giving anything away, I will say the episode ends on extended shots of characters reflecting, and odds are you'll be doing the exact same thing at that moment, too.

As Michonne, Tyreese, Daryl and Bob search for medical necessities, Rick and Carol go on a run for more food and supplies. While the larger party has some solid moments of character development as different characters interact along their journey, the core of this episode is absolutely with Rick and Carol. The tension between the two over Carol's actions is wonderfully complex compared to much of what we've seen in the show and eventually spawns some great moments from both characters. It's a debate where both sides can make legitimate points and because of that the topic is far more engrossing. It's not black and white in this case -- not by any measure.

While the bigger group has a handful of engrossing and even exciting moments which dig into what's occupying their mind in this terrible world, there were some scenes which came off as a bit dull, redundant, or dragged on a tad too long. None were necessarily terrible and it's great to see Bob finally expanded and more reflection with Tyreese/Michonne, but it wasn't nearly as absorbing as what's going on between Rick and Carol. Although, it does produce a "come at me, bro" moment from Daryl, so that's awesome, right?

"Indifference" generates tons of potential for what's to come. What it lacks in action it makes up for in fleshing out the survivors. You can't help but wonder how a couple of key characters will react to this huge decision. This is sure to bring some really interesting interactions front and center as they hear the news. Anger, confusion, depression... we're sure to see it all as they'e hit with the development.

Regardless, the big moment here strikes us abruptly but is completely logical and leaves one hell of an impact. The creative team then makes the smart decision to let it all sink in before the credits begin. In fact, it's such a big deal that it totally overshadows the question of whether or not the ill people will be cured (sorry, Glenn).

Viners, what do you think of "Indifference?" Speak your mind below.

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Edited by haydenclaireheroes

Here are my thoughts on the episode:

Posted by CaptainHoopla

Great episode. I think the greatest thing about the show, and the comic book for that matter, is that basically no decisions are simple black and white. I'm really looking forward to the reactions and fallout from the rest of the group.

Edited by Grey56

So I'm pretty floored that Rick forced Carol away. I have no idea if it sticks but if it does I have to say I'll be disappointed.

I'm at a rather pointed philosophical crossroads with Rick on the decision; I just don't agree with him sending her away. Was she right to do it? Maybe not - but motivated by a concern to help as many as she could.

Without getting into deep deontological discussions - it's a highly debatable subject and I can't see condemning anyone for their a similar action under similar conditions. If they were truly choking on their own blood and beyond medicinal aid or even a lethal threat - you can't truly condemn Carol.

We'll see.

Posted by turoksonofstone

Good episode again.

Posted by spacemanspiff85
I think the fact that she didn't seem to show any remorse at all was a real problem. When they were waiting for the new guy to get back, her saying that Rick lost a nice watch was crazy. I think she set those two people up to get killed, and even if she didn't, that's a pretty bad attitude to have, especially when the person you're with is already conflicted about you.

@grey56:

Posted by CheeseSticks

Is it just me or nothing really happened? The pacing is slow. Not worst than Bendis writing, but still.

Edited by The_Tree

The last 10 or so minutes were really good, but I found pretty much everything else to be boring. It feels like they try too hard to hammer certain points across.

Posted by Birthright

They'll either find her in Alexandria or she sufferes Tyrese's fate from the comics

Edited by lifeboy

I LOVED THE HECK OUT OF THIS!! My heart was racing at that begining. And how about that middle? How awesome was that!? But I was literally shocked by the conflict was resolved at that ending. This was literally my face =O . I was like'good choice walking dead character, I get you.' I just loved the whole movie! I cant wait for part 2. They need to get started on it imediatly, but until then, I have plenty of nonspecific examples to talk about. I will talk anybody under the table when it comes to this. I am the number 1 fan!

Posted by timelord

Loved this episode the best so far this season we had some actual character development how often does that happen?

Edited by desmond006

I liked the episode, it was good. I hope the Governor doesn't find Carol.

Posted by kilomac29

Such a fantastic episode.

I had no problem with Carol's actions from the previous episodes, and I didn't really have a problem with how Rick responded to those actions. The only issue I had was that I didn't feel like it was Rick's decision to make, He'd stepped back from his leadership role so that made what happened to Carol a council decision. I'm sure he did it with the good of the group in mind, but I feel like what he did will divide them just as much. Especially Darryl, he's going to be pissed!

Either way, I hope this means that Carol joins up with the Governor and they return to torment the people at the prison. That would make for some awesome television.

Edited by Nox_Arc

A very powerful episode from a plethora of perspectives. The highlight of course was the conflict between Rick and Carol and choices that both made, in the past and present, which they believed were to protect those they loved. I like the theme this season is taking so far, it's deeper than just the Walker threat but the threat of our decisions.

Posted by danhimself

I've been thinking that the spin-off might be about Carol now

Posted by The Stegman

Such a great episode!

Edited by AlKusanagi

Bad decision that's going to come back and bite Rick on the butt.

Posted by Dud317

@danhimself: that's the first thought I had too.

The intro with the dialogue between Carol and the little girl, and how it mirrored Ricks internal monologue was outstanding as well.

Posted by Frobin

@danhimself: Good point! But not necessarily. All I know it's a completely different group in an other region ... don't know, but I always had the west coast in mind. So Carol would have to travel pretty fast, given the circumstances.

Posted by danhimself

@frobin said:

@danhimself: Good point! But not necessarily. All I know it's a completely different group in an other region ... don't know, but I always had the west coast in mind. So Carol would have to travel pretty fast, given the circumstances.

yeah plus as much as I like Carol I don't think that she'd be a strong enough lead character for a series

Posted by Commander_Kane

@danhimself: Based on the who the supporting cast is, I'd prolly be willing to watch. And i mean like a veteran tv actor like Christopher Meloni, who alot of people want to see back on tv. Maybe Michael Rosenbaum? I'm just dream casting here lol.

But only if we get a substantial change of scenery. Possibly Las Vegas?

Edited by The_Absolute

I don't agree with Rick's decision. It wasn't his call to make.

Edited by GeekBait

Meh, weakest episode of the season so far, IMO. I have a feeling Carol crosses paths with the Governor, resulting in her taking or almost taking Tyreese's death from the comics and Rick watches it happen and feels responsible for kicking her out of the group.

Posted by Sovereign91001

Enjoyed the hell out of this episode, looks like the season is building up some steam.

Edited by HeckTate

At least something is finally happening this season. I'm very disappointed they're still in the prison, it's starting to feel like they're deliberately avoiding moving the story along. I don't care about the random people that are dying of whatever sickness they have. I don't care about most of these characters, especially Herschel (seriously how much more can they overplay the "faith" card?) and they're pushing Rick's character development in the complete wrong direction. At this point we should already have a good feel for "Almost everyone I ever cared about is dead and I'm totally numb to it" Rick, not "I just want to live in peace and be a farmer," Rick. The way they're stretching this prison stuff is feeling more and more like season 2 every episode.

Edited by The Stegman

@grey56 said:

So

I'm pretty floored that Rick forced Carol away. I have no idea if it sticks but if it does I have to say I'll be disappointed.

I'm at a rather pointed philosophical crossroads with Rick on the decision; I just don't agree with him sending her away. Was she right to do it? Maybe not - but motivated by a concern to help as many as she could.

Without getting into deep deontological discussions - it's a highly debatable subject and I can't see condemning anyone for their a similar action under similar conditions. If they were truly choking on their own blood and beyond medicinal aid or even a lethal threat - you can't truly condemn Carol.

We'll see.

I loved this episode because of how deep the questions go, although I don't agree with Rick's decision, I understand why he did it.

1. Tyreese said he was going to kill whoever did the crimes, so Rick was trying to avoid conflict there.

2. Carol's apparent lack of remorse was disturbing, it was like Shane all over again, was she right? Yeah, probably, but if you lose what humanity you have left, then you're as good as dead.

3. Rick was afraid that if it came down to just him, his children and Carol, she might harm Carl or Judy in order to save the healthy, Rick even brought this up in their conversation.

4. Her killing the others, while she had a reason, was still unnecessarily taking human life. One of Rick's "Three Questions" is "How many humans have you killed, and why?" Carol didn't kill out of self defense, she killed out of self preservation, while similar, they aren't the same.

It's a tough topic, and I can see both sides of the coin, but at least I understood what Rick did.

Posted by Grey56

@the_stegman: Hey Steg. First of all, thanks for the mention. Secondly; I agree. As I intoned above, I don't agree with Rick's decision at heart. I realize there are deep levels of moral minutiae within that decision but - at the end of the day it's a judgement call.

I will clarify one thing though; Carol did admit she didn't like what she had done. She outright says it while they are raiding one of the med cabinets. Her protests even take it one step further as Rick levels his decision to have her leave.

Hmmm. You know, lastly; Rick can't cop out with the excuse of Tyrese. Leaders step up and lead. That includes getting in fist fights when its called for. It also means explaining that Carol made a horrible decision that killed someone Tyrese had feelings for. But it wasn't done out of malice or capriciousness. Rick should've manned up and known he would deal with Ty.

Edited by Pantherman

@grey56: The problem was that what she did was completely unnecessary. There was no reason for her to do it, self preservation? If that's what motivated her actions then why go out of her way expose herself via touching all over that sick kid? Was she trying to keep them from turning? If so, then why kill just those two people and none of the others that are sick?

What she did was murder two people that now don't have the option to fight for their lives because Carol decided they should die. The group went to acquire medicine to see if it would help the survivors fight off the symptoms that are causing the deaths but the two people Carol killed will not get that option because well....she killed them.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't it also decided prior to her killing those two people that the sick would be isolated until a plan was derived? If that was the case and she killed those two regardless than she went against what the group already laid out to satisfy her so called survival instinct.

You really think they would have let her stay after that? Glenn is sick so Maggie would be all over Carol after learning what she did and demand she leave. Herschel definitely, he risked his life to bring comfort to the infected, he would be furious at what Carol did. We already know how Tyrese felt no need to go there, and Daryl who led a mission to acquire antibiotics, risking his life so that the infected would have a chance to survive the illness. How do you think he would have reacted knowing his efforts were undermined by Carol killing people off just cause?

Posted by Jayso4201

I've not read the comics so I'm not sure how it matches up but I didn't see that coming at all. I thought they would drag it out for weeks and she'd end up staying.

Posted by sasquatch888

@frobin said:

@danhimself: Good point! But not necessarily. All I know it's a completely different group in an other region ... don't know, but I always had the west coast in mind. So Carol would have to travel pretty fast, given the circumstances.

yeah plus as much as I like Carol I don't think that she'd be a strong enough lead character for a series

carol wouldn't have to be the lead character just create continuity between the two shows

Posted by sasquatch888

I've not read the comics so I'm not sure how it matches up but I didn't see that coming at all. I thought they would drag it out for weeks and she'd end up staying.

what happened to Carol in the comics would blow your mind

Posted by Jayso4201

@jayso4201 said:

I've not read the comics so I'm not sure how it matches up but I didn't see that coming at all. I thought they would drag it out for weeks and she'd end up staying.

what happened to Carol in the comics would blow your mind

LOL probably. Its probably the best show going on TV right now (besides the Simpsons) but they had to have someone be the mega bitch after Andrea died, I thought for sure it would drag on longer.

Gimme a hint, does it drag on longer?

Posted by Grey56

@pantherman: I appreciate your taking the time to respond sir however I think it's best to say we are looking at this moral quandary through very different socio/moral/philosophical lenses.

You're applying some contingencies to the scenario which simply don't play a role in the evaluations which I am applying given then goals/moral operational level which the show is set to.

No worries though - carry on sir.

Posted by sasquatch888

@sasquatch888 said:

@jayso4201 said:

I've not read the comics so I'm not sure how it matches up but I didn't see that coming at all. I thought they would drag it out for weeks and she'd end up staying.

what happened to Carol in the comics would blow your mind

LOL probably. Its probably the best show going on TV right now (besides the Simpsons) but they had to have someone be the mega bitch after Andrea died, I thought for sure it would drag on longer.

Gimme a hint, does it drag on longer?

no it doesn't in the comic carol's situation is resolved but its totally different ,,,and in the comic which would be up to like season 8 by now Andrea and rick are together as lovers

Posted by Jayso4201

@sasquatch888: Ewww gross! I hated Andrea and was sooo happy the day she died!

Edited by AllStarSuperman

@jayso4201 said:

@sasquatch888: Ewww gross! I hated Andrea and was sooo happy the day she died!

you have to realize that comic andrea was a bad ass and super cool, and a whiny bimbo like the show.

EDIT: she's not a whiny bimbo like the show

Posted by AllStarSuperman
Posted by Jayso4201

@allstarsuperman: I don't remember what I said but thanks for the info. So if I am understanding you correctly, we aren't even close to where they are in the comics?

Posted by AllStarSuperman

@jayso4201: there's a little references, but the characters that aren't rick, carl, or michonne are every different. also the order of which people die first is severely messed up. you should read the comics too though.