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The Amazing Spider-Man #700 - Dying Wish: Suicide Run; Spider-Dreams; Date Night

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The final issue after fifty years. This issue marks the historic moment when everything changes. It's also a celebration for the series.

The Good

Comic books are about telling stories. That is what Dan Slott has been doing. Even though spoilers have been flying around for the last couple weeks, I still won't go right out and say what's happened. There is something great in reading the events that occur here for yourself in the actual comic.

There has been a lot of outrage over what happens here from long time Spider-Man fans. I like to think that I am a long time fan as well. The key here is Dan Slott is telling a story about a fictional character. As he has even mentioned, nothing in comic books is forever. There's always a backdoor that can revert changes. Of course there is one here. This is a way for us to see a different kind of story. It's been fifty years and the time has come to try something a little different.

The story picks up on the battle between Spider-Man and the dying Doc Ock. We know there's a lot at stake for Peter Parker. It's a blast seeing both men, both equally desperate, use their ingenuity to try to outthink the other. This is a different type of fight. The two have clashed numerous times over the years but those have usually been physical battles. This is where we see how intelligent they each are.

Having Spider-Man's supporting cast present for most of the story further drives home what this battle's outcome means for Peter Parker. We see that it's not just Peter's life at risk but the others as well as they are brought into the middle to be used as pawns.

Humberto Ramos does a great job capturing and depicting this final story. There is so much going on and so many characters present. It truly is a wonderful send off to the series we've been reading all these years. Seeing the events unfold with the edge we have in knowing what's really going on is fun as we see Spider-Man interact with friends and foes. This is just giving us a taste of what's to come.

As for the ending of the main story...I'll get to that in a moment.

This is an oversized final issue. To mark the occasion, we do get a variant cover gallery. Whether you're a fan of variant covers or not, it's great to get the chance to actually see the great pieces of art produced. Chances are you won't get the chance to actually see them in person as variant covers tend to sell at a higher price.

J.M. DeMatteis and Giuseppe Camuncoli give us a story that begins "Once upon a time...in the near future." Future stories are to be taken with a grain of salt but this one will make you wonder about the possibilities.

Jen Van Meter and Stephanie Buscema also have a fun story involving Spider-Man and Black Cat, with more of a focus on Felicia.

Adding to the issue are some preview pages for SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN, AVENGING SPIDER-MAN, MORBIUS THE LIVING VAMPIRE, VENOM and SCARLET SPIDER. There's also one of those thumbnail galleries of all 700 covers. Of course we get an extra long letters column featuring Stan Lee answering questions as well.

The Bad

Did I love the ending of the battle? As a longtime Spider-Man fan, of course not. But that isn't to say that it was a bad story. As the battle progresses, the ending is almost sudden. We know what's coming but it's a matter of how it happens. The shift does make sense but just felt a little abrupt. I'm not quite sure how I feel about the final speech in the story.

The extras are nice. Are they necessary? Not really. They're great to see. The DeMatteis story makes you wonder but almost feels like what we saw in the anniversary issue (AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #692). The Black Cat story was fun and had great art but wasn't necessary for a final issue. Maybe it makes sense because it wouldn't fit in after the events of this issue.

The Verdict

The final issue of THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN has arrived. Spider-Man as we know him is no more. Comic book readers will be the first to complain if we keep getting the same old stories but if a major change is done to our beloved characters, we'll also complain. This is a chance to see something different. Dan Slott has cooked up a crazy idea and now we'll get to see what happens next in SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN. I am on board to see how this plays out. I'll be reading to see what the next chapter holds for Spider-Man and the supporting cast. Of course Spider-Man fans will not be pleased with what happens. But we do see a great battle that really shows what Spider-Man is about. He is one of the greatest heroes and this issue is a testament to that. It's a fight fought on a different sort of battlefield. This is a story you'll remember for years to come. It does change everything.

Will this change last forever? Of course not. At least, as a veteran comic book reader, I'd like to think that. The main thing to remember is this is just a story. It's a comic book story. There are always ways to change things and bring back any status quo fans might miss.

The oversized issues contains a couple other fun and interesting stories along with a look at the variant covers, some preview pages and Stan Lee answering letters.

It's been a great 700 issues. It's the end of the series. Is it the last we've seen of the AMAZING Spider-Man? I seriously doubt it. This issue is a piece of history since you likely won't see another Marvel issue 700 due to all the re-numbering. Enjoy the coming ride to see what else Dan Slott has coming. He's been doing a great job since Big Time (and before). Next month we'll get to see if his gamble in writing this story pays off.

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Man I can understand the hate but really i dont think it was bad storytelling, it was a little jumbled yeah but it also told a really big story. Id say it was solid did it live up to all the hype? Nah and Im sad to see Peter go hes an iconic, great character but I also give props to Slott for atleast trying to Push the envelope. Most Classic Marvel titles rehash the same thing over and over again. Superior could be interesting.

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For what I read so far, this stupid idea of Otto becoming Spider-man could have been OK for an event, just like Spider-Island, or Ends of the Earth. Nobody, even the ones who like the idea, are expecting Superior Spiderman to last that long. :S

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By now everyone knows that Doc Ock is Spidey. I didn't really like the idea until I read this issue. Now...........I have a feeling it's going to be pretty damn cool. I don't think it will be like Jean Paul taking over for Batman, or even when Ben took over for Peter. I have a good feeling about this. I think Marvel is onto something by making Spider-Man 2nd biggest enemy now Spider-Man. I didn't even like the idea of re-naming Amazing Spider-Man into Superior Spider-Man, but now I like the title because of where it came from. Hope this books is great.

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God this was aweful

The moral of Spiderman #700 apparently is if your the bad guy you don't have to live with your consequences you can get away with it! I just hate how even though Peter fought so hard it still feels like he lost at the end. It might have been okay if they ended it with Ock reforming like he did but they switch it back at the last page and he just goes "Oh no screw it! I'm just gonna be a better YOU and get all the things you deserved but never got!" Even if its temporary I'm sick with how they've let spidey go out here.

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@sentryman555 said:

God this was aweful

The moral of Spiderman #700 apparently is if your the bad guy you don't have to live with your consequences you can get away with it! I just hate how even though Peter fought so hard it still feels like he lost at the end. It might have been okay if they ended it with Ock reforming like he did but they switch it back at the last page and he just goes "Oh no screw it! I'm just gonna be a better YOU and get all the things you deserved but never got!" Even if its temporary I'm sick with how they've let spidey go out here.

A demon doesn't become an angel overnight. Doc Ock has been given a taste of the right thing and now he can use it to become wholly good over time.

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@obscurefan said:

I remember when everyone was dropping Spidey during the Clone Saga and I stayed on, and I remember when everyone was dropping Spidey after One More Day, and I stayed on, and I remember how sick I was of them going on and on about how "Everything is ruined, they totally destroyed my favorite character," and I would have to say "Listen man, it's a big misstep I agree, but its not worth giving up." So that is why I know right now somebody is going to say the exact same thing to me when I come out and say that this was the issue that made me finally drop Spider-Man, the first comic I ever started reading.

I'm not saying that what they did was wrong, sure I feel like it was, but I realize that what's wrong to someone seems right to another person, I'm just saying that reading comics is kind of like being in a relationship. You slowly started to like someone, stay with them through their different stages, and sure its not always good but you stay by them because you know that no matter what happens the person you care about is still there. That is until the day you look at them and realize they're just a totally different person. And seeing Mary Jane making out with someone who isn't Peter when she thinks it is, seeing Pete spend his last days trapped and tortured in quite possibly the most cruel prison I can imagine, knowing that he died without anyone knowing he's gone so not a single tear can be shed over him, all to make way for a darker version of Spider-Man, and knowing that the creators think this is what their audience wants, well it just makes me realize that this series and I have grown apart, and its time I started seeing other people.

How can you know if you've grown apart? You haven't even read what he'll be doing in Superior and he'll be in a different writing mode. Before you totally decide to drop it you should at least see what it will be like. It may change your mind.

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@ComicFan93 said:

What an absolute "F** You" to any type of Spider-Man fan.

So Doctor Octopus becomes the new Spidey in Parker's body? A villain is just supposed to replace Peter Parker? What an absolute load. I can understand if someone became a new Spider-Man entirely (hence, the Ultimate universe), but Doc Ock possessing Spider-Man's body while COMPLETELY SLAPPING AWAY PETER OUT OF THE BLUE?! What a horrible idea. This is such an awful move on Marvel's part, it's actually worse than One More Day. Yes, WORSE THAN ONE MORE DAY!!!

And the worst part? Not only does Peter Parker die in someone else's body, but since no one else knows it's him, he's surrounded by civilians who are saying good riddance. There's no dramatic crying or even remorse. Nobody's sad that he's gone, or even know's that he's gone. Parker has been a hero for decades, and in his last moments, how do people react in the end? CIVILIANS WANT HIM DEAD!!!

What kind of pigsh** story is this? There is no, and I mean NO excuse in the universe to make up for this udder tragedy of a comic. I've heard that Dan Slott is even receiving death threats for this comic, and honestly, I'm not surprised. I could stomach OMD and BND, but THIS?! I feel like Marvel stabbed me in the back with a rusted screwdriver. I will never, EVER forgive Slott, or Marvel for that matter, for dishing out this awful, contrived, depressing, mean-spirited, overall BULLSH** excuse of a comic.

Bring Peter Parker back, Marvel. Now.

my thoughts exactly Putting otto's mind in peter body is one thing but also killing him off and having the readers expect peter parker to be dead and a villian in his place and to read said story is truly nuts. What are they planning? Shock value? i hope so...

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@Rixec said:

@sentryman555 said:

God this was aweful

The moral of Spiderman #700 apparently is if your the bad guy you don't have to live with your consequences you can get away with it! I just hate how even though Peter fought so hard it still feels like he lost at the end. It might have been okay if they ended it with Ock reforming like he did but they switch it back at the last page and he just goes "Oh no screw it! I'm just gonna be a better YOU and get all the things you deserved but never got!" Even if its temporary I'm sick with how they've let spidey go out here.

A demon doesn't become an angel overnight. Doc Ock has been given a taste of the right thing and now he can use it to become wholly good over time.

Yeah but the fact remains Doc Ock has done some horrible things over the years and its like instead of being punished he's being rewarded for it. Mind you, I believe it makes for an interesting story but I still think it was a horrible way to end ASM.

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I think leaving Ock to roam around in Peter's life is horrible. Marvel should really compensate for this.  
 
I just need 2 things for this twist to be OK. 
 
1. NO SEXY TIME WITH MJ PLEASE GOD NO.  
2. The series slowly moves towards the revelation that Peter is for once and for all the Superior Spider-man. 

(i think this will probably happen don't you? I mean with Ock trying to show that's he's superior to Peter and everything. Maybe throughout the comic, he'll find that no matter what he does or how many gadgets he makes, he'll always be living in Peter's shadow. And finally realizing that Peter is truly the Superior Spider-man of the two. Then he'll probably sacrifice himself and bring him back. yada yada peter gets cool new toys. Sort of like what happened when Kraven "killed" Peter) 
 
but the ONE thing that MUST not happen is stuff with MJ. as if that Mephisto crap didn't mess up their relationship enough. The worst thing Marvel could do would be for her to have a romantic life with Otto Octavius' consciousness in Peter's body. I think that would completely obliterate their relationship. 
 
Imagine dating a girl who had Jabba the Hutt's consciousness. Even after everything is put right, everytime you look at her, you'll see a huge-ass disgusting slug.
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@Rixec: the seeds everyone is reffering to are like 2 instances peter uses ock hat to control some of his technology. thats it. slott is not some great writer, he's a hack but marvel will keep him on because he is what they want: a writer that likes to wow with retarded plots.

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Surely there is a major flaw to this whole setup. I get that Peter's feelings and memories can be accessed, but what about Ock's? It all seems one way, and surely a major plothole?

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So many cry babies... Boo Hoo. Relax, it's a comic book. It's a fictional story. Everyone thinks they know what can and can't happen in a fictional world... Find your imagination and use it.

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Love it!

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Goodbye Spiderman, Goodbye Marvel. After 50 years the bad guy wins...I guess it's a reflection of our times. Too sad...

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a very lame end to an a amazing series....

Seriously marvel, WTF!!!!

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I liked it. It's a good story that progresses naturally and takes the character in a new direction, and yet there are easy reset buttons in place to get back to the status quo.

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I really hope that the story carries on with his family and friends suspecting and finally someone realizes what happend and get dr strange to fix it

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Just finished it. I gotta say I really loved it. The whole time it was just full of suspense. Woulda been great to see Peter's octobot ploy win in the end. And I think Octavius changing his ways after seeing Peter's memories is a bit weird, but...yeah it was great.

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This is a great opportunity to see some new and exciting stories. Don't be idiots and act like everything you know about ASM is ruined.

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@animehunter: i totally agree..but for the ending you were wishin for, u can always pick up spidergirl,amazing spidergirl or spectacular spidergirl2009 where peter lost his right leg,married to mary jane<3 and rearing May parker( spidergirl) and benjy parker(spiderkid)

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@DJ1107: i also think the same..its so easy to thin that peter is getting hs facts wrong..well i have to think that to digest the shit that follows.:(

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is it bad that i hope this story along with AVX leads to a sudden and drastic shift in management at marvel?

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The way I figure it, Peter is the new Uncle Ben, in a sense. I've loved Spider-Man ever since I was little, and now I'm happy that things are moving in a different direction, and a character like Peter can't be gone forever, so what's the use in being pessimistic?

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YEP, DAN SLOTT HAS OFFICALY JOINED THE RANKS OF ROB LIEFELD AND JEPH LOEB AS THE MOST HATED IN COMICS.

I wonder what STAN LEE thinks about this..........

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Thanks Marvel! You're saving me tons of money now, since I'm not buying anything you put out until you retcon this garbage.

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I liked it. The biggest reason is because at some point or another, it will be reversed and as far as an individual issue goes, I totally agree with this review. At least Superior promises to be interesting.

As a fan of Peter, I don't like it but I feel that as soon as Slott leaves and a new writer comes in, Superior will go back to Amazing because Spider-man is one of those heroes that is able to draw people who want to write Peter Parker and Spider-man. I am willing to see where this goes as long as it isn't permanent, which it isn't.

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They just want to sell more! Instead they are improving their stories, looking for good writers writing things that please both the older generations of fans as they currently appear. They choose to do something flashy, not respecting the chronology of the hero. okay that they need a lot of new readers with time fans will abandon the magazines, after all our life is race: work, school, appointments and duties. They're just appealing, easiest way to sell. Gaga become a life pursued the fashion of the moment, without having a tendency content simply stupid.

The worst that history is going to be bad-ass, but still will have bought this stupid shit just to give a bad job!

You know how shitty formulated this idea?! Ai vai theory ...

since the spider is no longer being as profitable as before in magazines, we turn it into a Batman, most know that if we do get violent face of nowhere staff will not like. ideas? - Question the chief editor.

Lord?! - Speak the intern. - And if, you know, we did a clean chronology filing unnecessary things, shaping it again? It worked with Batmam and fans did not complain much.

Batmam bright, violent as Batmam is the following had a brilliant idea do it switch bodies with a villain. It's perfect! - Tell the Boss

But why would the villain's powers for good spider? you know ... I do not know .... - Intern afraid

Bullshit! - The young editor ribbon with indifference. - Any explanation

and good, and only enfiarem down his throat. Now excuse me I will count my thousands of dollars.

Hahahahahhaha ... I (suits marvel of) love over money bill nerds idiots who buy it without seeing how bad and this garbage! Hahahahaha ....

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We have had two Spider-Man deaths in the past few years. Ultimate Spider-Man hit me hard, it was sad and showed a hero's attempt and dying to protect the ones he loved. This was just well, pathetic. I have enjoyed Spider-Man recently and I understand what is going on. I think the last few issues would have been better if stretched out for a year instead of ending in a death. There was a cool dynamic with Peter controlling Doc and how that body swap experience can be. But then again, it is something we see in Freaky Friday.

We all know the real Peter Parker will be back. But what we are loosing is the cool smart ass Peter. There is a different tone and I know that there is a one year plan. I am sure it is mapped out and maybe with even this tainted Spider-Man saving the world. It's still not the same. I also just read Avenging Spider-Man and he doesn't exactly reform right away. I get it and it is different but just feel bad for Peter. He is my friend and my friend lost. :(

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They just want to sell more! Instead they are improving their stories, looking for good writers writing things that please both the older generations of fans as they currently appear. They choose to do something flashy, not respecting the chronology of the hero. okay that they need a lot of new readers with time fans will abandon the magazines, after all our life is race: work, school, appointments and duties. They're just appealing, easiest way to sell. Gaga become a life pursued the fashion of the moment, without having a tendency content simply stupid.

The worst that history is going to be bad-ass, but still will have bought this stupid shit just to give a bad job!

You know how shitty formulated this idea?! Ai vai theory ...

since the spider is no longer being as profitable as before in magazines, we turn it into a Batman, most know that if we do get violent face of nowhere staff will not like. ideas? - Question the chief editor.

Lord?! - Speak the intern. - And if, you know, we did a clean chronology filing unnecessary things, shaping it again? It worked with Batmam and fans did not complain much.

Batmam bright, violent as Batmam is the following had a brilliant idea do it switch bodies with a villain. It's perfect! - Tell the Boss

But why would the villain's powers for good spider? you know ... I do not know .... - Intern afraid

Bullshit! - The young editor ribbon with indifference. - Any explanation

and good, and only enfiarem down his throat. Now excuse me I will count my thousands of dollars.

Hahahahahhaha ... I (suits marvel of) love over money bill nerds idiots who buy it without seeing how bad and this garbage! Hahahahaha ....

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@JakeN7 said:

@feargalr said:

I really liked this issue, like we all knew that Peter Parker wasn't going to be the Superior Spider-Man, but I was never sure how that was going to happen and I was surprised by the ending and I certainly will be reading Superior Spider-Man.

Totally this. I'm excited to see how everything all plays out and I'm glad Peter didn't go out like a punk and probably achieved one of his greatest accomplishments by reforming one of his oldest arch-nemeses into carrying out the legacy that he had built up as Spider-Man.

Interesting take on it, kind of true I guess.

Not a fan of this whole event myself, kinda feel like Slott shat on all of us who've been reading his run. But it's not like I've paid for any of the comics, so I can't really complain. I'll just keep torrenting them and see where this takes us. Peter'll be back.

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I feel like AMS 700 will be like the works of van Gogh: not given their proper respect until far later in time.

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I suggest Scarlet Spider. Dat Yost.

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Peter will definitely be back. This is the easiest thing in the world to undo. I think maybe that was part of the problem though. I just couldn't get into the fact that Peter was dying. The issue didn't make me sad. I truly believe Slott et. al intend for this to be semi-permanent, but I just couldn't get into Peter Parker ending on a Freaky Friday.

I don't know how people can say this arc was well written. There are so many plot holes it's crazy. And the link back to 600 was incredibly weak. Why did he have to access Peter's memories if he would have instant access to them when the golden octobot rewired his brain? The "transformation" of Otto after experiencing Peter's memories was complete garbage too. Is otto going to go back and solve global warming now that he is a hero, and according to all the Horizon guys the science for the octavian lens was sound.

The final problem I have with this issue was that it felt like the reaction Slott was going for with this issue was not sadness over the loss of "The World's Greatest Super Hero" or something like that. I think he was going for the shock factor. Just trying to get attention to promote outrage and attention for his new spider-man title. The Alpha arc also felt like just a publicity stunt for the 50th anniversary. Well they got me with the 50th and they got me with 700, but that's the last time I am fooled into buying this junk.

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@AlKusanagi: talk about being optimistic:)

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I thought it was a good story and I'll probably check out at least the first couple issues of Superior.  It had really nice pacing and you really felt Pete's continually-rising fear and frustration at Ock's ability to counter his plans.
 
But it had an OBSCENE amount of padding afterwards.  The backup stories were page-fillers, the upcoming-art pages were unnecessary, and it had the most ridiculously long letter column I've ever seen.

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Can we all agree to call Doc Ock in Peter Parker's body spiderpus?

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So now who cares reading the stories of Peter Parker's killer? I'm very disappointed with all of this and that's a very unglorious way to celebrate 50 years and to let Peter die in anonimity. Dating MJ is a rape. The two backup stories were unuseful, I'm very sick.

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After the Ultimate Spider, I didn't think this ''change'' was that much needed....and considering all the 'ending' stuff ... I doubt it will be more open for new readers but we will see.

Now we have many Spider-titles without Peter Parker....that makes me feel weird and quite sad. Especially after reading Spider-men mini-series and those emotional moments....

This told a story with a kinda weak plot-device if you ask me. Kinda reminded me of the whole ''Water Clones'' arc in Spider-man cartoon series back in 2000 or so. It will be a fresh 'interaction' with the rest of the Spider supporting cast but I think I will feel bitterness whenever I see this 'Superior' one.

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@obscurefan said:

I remember when everyone was dropping Spidey during the Clone Saga and I stayed on, and I remember when everyone was dropping Spidey after One More Day, and I stayed on, and I remember how sick I was of them going on and on about how "Everything is ruined, they totally destroyed my favorite character," and I would have to say "Listen man, it's a big misstep I agree, but its not worth giving up." So that is why I know right now somebody is going to say the exact same thing to me when I come out and say that this was the issue that made me finally drop Spider-Man, the first comic I ever started reading.

I'm not saying that what they did was wrong, sure I feel like it was, but I realize that what's wrong to someone seems right to another person, I'm just saying that reading comics is kind of like being in a relationship. You slowly started to like someone, stay with them through their different stages, and sure its not always good but you stay by them because you know that no matter what happens the person you care about is still there. That is until the day you look at them and realize they're just a totally different person. And seeing Mary Jane making out with someone who isn't Peter when she thinks it is, seeing Pete spend his last days trapped and tortured in quite possibly the most cruel prison I can imagine, knowing that he died without anyone knowing he's gone so not a single tear can be shed over him, all to make way for a darker version of Spider-Man, and knowing that the creators think this is what their audience wants, well it just makes me realize that this series and I have grown apart, and its time I started seeing other people.

That kinda sums it up for me. Living somebody else's life on their body, playing with their loved-ones feelings... that feel so wrong for me. I mean Spider-Men mini-series even showed that an alternate Peter can hurt his loved ones by just showing up. Now you have a ''memory-altered'' Ock living Peter's life and ''honoring'' him ? Peter passing away without no-one noticing ? I can't stomach the thought of , as you said, MJ with this '' Superior Spidey '' as It will feel 10x worse for me from the time when Wolverine swapped bodies with Peter for a day.

Call me old fashioned but I can handle character changes, I can't handle when SOMEONELSE takes over that role in this weird and sad way. For some this had quite a powerful meaning and I can understand their reasoning but I can't , in good mind, read the new series without thinking everypage '' You stole his life, you don't deserve it ''. And that is not what I look for in my Spidey-book.

Sad really after the more 'fulfilling' conclusion on Ultimate Spiderman...you have a 'Semi-farewell' to most iconic Marvel character like that.... It doesn't feel right.

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I was disappointed by the ending. I will agree with so many others that it felt rushed and seemed to cheapen the character of Peter Parker. He is the guy who never gives up and always finds a way to beat the bad guy and win. In the end he seems to just give up. There were parts of the story that don't make sense. If Uncle Ben told him that no one else could be Spider-man then how does that square with Octavius now becoming Spider-man? Of course, this whole issue could be the delusion of Octavius' final hours and could even be an escape if Superior Spider-man does not do well. Until Peter Parker is Spider-man again I'll look into buying back issues of some of the older comics that I've missed.

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I stopped liking Spider-man books after the Unmasking. Not because they did it, but because they didn't care about doing it and handed out game-changing Spider-man things every month and it ruined the book and the character. What's the point of doing a thing where everyone finds out Spider-man is this poor sap of a person, if that poor sap is already different from what he traditionally is. At the time he was a magic Spider-totem-powered guy who be reborn in cocoons of some sort for some ungodly reason. Not to mention the fact they had absolutely no story idea to it other than Spider-man would eventually be unmarried. Why not just do that instead? Then they make Spider-man essentially a cartoonish chariature of his former self. There wasn't much 'man' left in him, just a boy shouting jokes. Not the character I used to read.

I guess this could of been a good idea, seeing as how Doc Ock was probably near a decent guy before he got his head injury. Sure, people made fun of him and probably had a chip on his shoulder about it, but that doesn't make someone a bad guy. If anything, he and Peter were much alike. They loved science and it brought them both bad luck. I don't know if he had the same parental guidance. I only know his mom was overbearing and it ruined a relationship with the love of his life who eventually died of AIDS. Once he had his head injury gone, you think he come to his senses and realize 'wow, I'm not a good person, am I?' It's not like he was one of those crooks or person's with personal vendetta's against Spider-man. The fact that they made Doc Ock also unrecognizable with his Gaunt-like robotic appearance doens't help. I glanced at an occasional issue and there (again) is no point in doing a big story when you turn your character into an unrecognizable person. So what's left?

There's too much of characters trying to redeem themselves from horrific acts in comics. HOw many bad things can you do before it does so much damage, it can never be undone. You don't have to do a whole lot to destroy other's lives as it turns out.

Doc Ock never got the respect he deserved as an evil genius when I used to read the books and with this newer stuff may as well be a completely different character. So, who is he now?

People will still read, even though they think it's terrible. It won't be Batman big or even be in the top 10 for more than a month, but that's what you get when you do 'Unmasking OMD' type stuff. You can't undo it.

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So where does this leave a new reader? If someone watched the recent movie and then decided to wait until the new year to start reading Spider-man what will they think? After some thought the whole body snatcher idea is just plain wrong. If Peter is really dead what did he die for in this comic? There was no heroes death. It was pointless. The whole thing seemed rushed and forced with no real thought behind it. Somehow we're all supposed to believe that Octavius is a good guy now. Didn't we just read how people were fooled into this during the Ends of the Earth Arc? The whole situation with him ever getting together with Mary Jane is beyond disgusting. I guess in the end I wonder what Slott was smoking when he wrote this? His previous work has been very good this was a big let down. The overall theme in this issue is one of giving up. Peter gave up, as did the writer and many of the fans now. After reading this issue it is very hard to want to continue. How is this Superior Spider-man supposed to relate to anyone? Spider-man has always been an everyman character. The name Superior is condescending and does not evoke someone who you can relate to. Arrogance springs to mind. The fact that Octavius said at the end I will honor you and then goes on to say I will be better than you does not honor someone's memory it spits on it. I'm now looking back on the Clone Saga, and longing for an ending more like that. This ending just feels wrong.

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I have been a long time fan of Spiderman as well, but this is very and truly unacceptable the way he was killed off. The Ultimateverse did it right and that's the version of Spiderman I will be following from now on. Dan Slott killed Peter off one in the dumbest fashions. Peter deserved a hero's death since he is one of the iconic heroes of marvel. It also would have been more suiting if they worked Kaine in this story to make him the Superior Spiderman. Instead we get some rushed guilt trip that came out of nowhere and some advice from a ghost (or figment of Peter's imagination) that tells him it's okay to let it end like this. I'm sorry I don't call that good story telling at all. I was looking forward to Superior Spiderman but not anymore. Miles Morales I'm looking at you from now on, don't let me down kid.

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Haven't read it yet (just got it yesterday) but all I can think is "Dan Slott is going to do the new Spider-man book also?" Ugh. More "solutions out of nowhere." Cheesy "DC jokes" ("I'm Lois Lane" -Alpha's g/f) More characters made out to be a big deal that do basically nothing. (Alpha) So far my love of Spider-man > than Slott's bad writing. But that won't last if he does the new book also.

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To be honest I was never big Spiderman fan. I only recently gotten into comics. I tried hopping on Marvel during the Civil War and then OMD happened and it kinda turned me away for a short while. Then DC had the New 52 which I tried out and enjoyed it.Then I began picking up that stuff regularly and going back buying old DC stories even though they don't hold much relevance anymore. Then I heard about Marvel NOW and I'm thinking okay another chance and maybe Spider-man has been decent and I hear he died. I checked out Ultimate Spiderman and I love Miles Morales and how Peter died in that version. I mean it took alot of things to kill Peter then they had a good funeral for him. In mainstream he died in one of his enemies bodies and no one knows he's dead. Now the creepy old octopus man is moving in on his former girl friend. I enjoy Peter Parker outside of comics but why is it in the 616 it seems that he's not likable From what I've heard he hasn't really grown up. So I'm not mad about his death because Peter Parker must be Spider-man. I don't mind it since I love Miles Morales and the couple Clone Sage stories I read Ben Riley. Spiderman is one of the most popular super heroes ever. I think if you're going to kill him off then have him die in a heroic battle or saving his family. Anything but 700.

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This was a great comic and I pity Dan Slott for recieving all the hate for this comic book. It was great being with Parker, but someday, the inevitable comes. Now both Parkers in both universes are dead. The question is, how will Otto put up with Mayday in the future (you know, Parker's daughter). Which brings us to the marriage bit. If Parker and MJ got divorces and are pretty much never ever getting back together? This storyline kind of makes it impossible to ressurect Pete, but Marvel always can't give up that temptation. He could come back in another form.

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I read this, and got Avenging Spider-Man 15.1 at the same time. It was amusing to see

Otto basically pointing out the shortcomings of Spider-Man's arsenal. But seriously, wtf is that toe-claw? You're not a velociraptor, doctor.