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Teen Titans #16 - Gotham Runs Red! Review

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It's Red Robin and Red Hood vs. Joker...or is it? Find out how Joker manages to turn the tables on Batman's two former sidekicks.

The Good

I've mentioned before that I really dig that Scott Lobdell put both Tim and Jason in the same "Joker trap" rather than have Joker deal with them both separately (since he's already doing way too much all over the place).

What you'll notice immediately is Brett Booth's art. I've enjoyed his art in the past but he's been doing something lately and has amped it up. His Joker is downright creepy. Seeing Joker cackling with his mouth wide open and seeing the roof of his mouth just creeped me out.

The real kicker is, through means I won't reveal, Tim and Jason end up fighting each other. Is it a cliché? Who cares? How many times have we wanted to see these former Robins (or former Robin and current Red Robin) go at it?

For those that have had enough of the Death of the Family story, there are some other developments as well with the other members of the Teen Titans. And if you read the solicit, you know that Raven appears in this issue as well.

The Bad

It might be a minor thing but in the opening dialogue, Tim mentions that Jason has "come closest to being an actual brother" in his life. Moments later he says he hasn't really spoken to him a lot since Jason returned from the dead. The question is, how and why would they be like brothers? Tim didn't know Jason before since we saw in TEEN TITANS #0 he came into the role after Jason was dead. It woud seem that there'd be more interaction possible between Tim and Dick.

Thankfully the conclusion to Death of the Family is fast approaching. There are some great moments here but as great as the scenes between Tim and Jason are, they almost feel like filler as we see other events unfolding around them with the other characters. Those will more likely have longer lasting effects in this title.

The Verdict

How could you resist a comic featuring Tim Drake, Jason Todd and the Joker? Scott Lobdell sets up some nice moments and Brett Booth provides the glorious visuals. It's not just about being a Death of the Family tie in. We do see some other developments with the other members as well as Roy Harper. We also see the 'return' of a certain pre-New 52 Teen Titan which will be very interesting. If you've ever wanted to see Tim and Jason face the Joker or each other, this is the comic you'll want to check out.

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Posted by doordoor123

I'm surprised you generally liked this.

Posted by CircularLogic

@doordoor123 said:

I'm surprised you generally liked this.

It's G-man. 4 stars is actually a fairly low review for him.

Posted by doordoor123

@CircularLogic said:

@doordoor123 said:

I'm surprised you generally liked this.

It's G-man. 4 stars is actually a fairly low review for him.

LOL have you read his Red Lanterns review?

Posted by Manbehindthewires

Really impressed by this issue. Red and Red need their own duo series!

Posted by JakeN7

@Manbehindthewires said:

Really impressed by this issue. Red and Red need their own duo series!

YES! THIS! NOW! DC! DO IT! JEEEZUS!!!

Posted by tjs4759

@Manbehindthewires: Good Lord that would be awesome. I've been saying since the New 52 reboot that I wish both Jason and Tim had their own solo books. I dropped TT after the first couple of issues cause I though it was terrible. RHATO has been up and down, I just don't see Jason being a "team player" at all. He comes off as more a solo act if you ask me.

Posted by CircularLogic

@doordoor123 said:

@CircularLogic said:

@doordoor123 said:

I'm surprised you generally liked this.

It's G-man. 4 stars is actually a fairly low review for him.

LOL have you read his Red Lanterns review?

He did a Red Lanterns review? I know other staff have done it, and rightfully panned it, but never G-man. If he did, I can't find it.

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@tjs4759 said:

I just don't see Jason being a "team player" at all. He comes off as more a solo act if you ask me.

I think that's the appeal though. Having someone in the team that can't be trusted (ie anyone who's teamed up with Catwoman or Deadpool, is a recipe for tension-filled content.

I'm the same, normally can't stand TT; only reading it for DotF, but this one had me sold from the first page.

haha and it could be called "Red Robin/Hood!" ...too far?

Posted by doordoor123

@CircularLogic said:

@doordoor123 said:

@CircularLogic said:

@doordoor123 said:

I'm surprised you generally liked this.

It's G-man. 4 stars is actually a fairly low review for him.

LOL have you read his Red Lanterns review?

He did a Red Lanterns review? I know other staff have done it, and rightfully panned it, but never G-man. If he did, I can't find it.

Probably thinking about a different comic then. I know he has given bad reviews though.

Posted by BatWatch

I really enjoyed this issue mostly because it is the first good representation of DCNU Tim Drake. I am extremely thankful that Lobdell decided to make him useful for once rather than make him an incompetent tool.

However, it did have its problem. I agree that the "closest to a brother" line really hit me wrong. What about Tim and Dick? They've had a brother relationship for two decades now. That's just wiped out? Also, Joker's switcheroo at the end was a bit quick, and I have other nitpicks, but in general, I enjoyed it.

The BatWatch Review is up.

@Manbehindthewires said:

@tjs4759 said:

I just don't see Jason being a "team player" at all. He comes off as more a solo act if you ask me.

I think that's the appeal though. Having someone in the team that can't be trusted (ie anyone who's teamed up with Catwoman or Deadpool, is a recipe for tension-filled content.

I'm the same, normally can't stand TT; only reading it for DotF, but this one had me sold from the first page.

haha and it could be called "Red Robin/Hood!" ...too far?

Yeah, Batman pretty much plays that role of the non-team player on the team in all his books, and it works great. Adds a little flavor to the team. Really, it is not much of a conflict with the current Red Hood; he's been hanging out with the Outlaws for weeks now.

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@Manbehindthewires said:

Really impressed by this issue. Red and Red need their own duo series!

YUP. "The Reds" or something like that.

It's like a perfect good cop, bad cop.

Posted by Dark_Guyver

Red Robin and Red Hood. So many possibilities. "Code Red" for the win.

Posted by WonderHunter

@Manbehindthewires said:

Really impressed by this issue. Red and Red need their own duo series!

@Manbehindthewires said:

@tjs4759 said:

I just don't see Jason being a "team player" at all. He comes off as more a solo act if you ask me.

I think that's the appeal though. Having someone in the team that can't be trusted (ie anyone who's teamed up with Catwoman or Deadpool, is a recipe for tension-filled content.

haha and it could be called "Red Robin/Hood!" ...too far

@zachkastner said:

YUP. "The Reds" or something like that.

It's like a perfect good cop, bad cop.

@Dark_Guyver said:

"Code Red" for the win.

xDDD THIS!

Posted by djetter0801

"Tim didn't know Jason before since we saw in TEEN TITANS #0 he came into the role after Jason was dead. It would seem that there'd be more interaction possible between Tim and Dick."

So even after realizing that glaringly obvious mistake and the cliche Hero vs. Hero fight, it is still 4 stars?

It was mostly fluff with no substance.

Posted by akbogert

@djetter0801 said:

"Tim didn't know Jason before since we saw in TEEN TITANS #0 he came into the role after Jason was dead. It would seem that there'd be more interaction possible between Tim and Dick."

So even after realizing that glaringly obvious mistake and the cliche Hero vs. Hero fight, it is still 4 stars?

It was mostly fluff with no substance.

This is actually a fair assessment of the issue. The outcome of the fight was utterly predictable (though the way it unfolded was admittedly kind of cool). But it's all about context. Compared to the previous issues of RHatO and Teen Titans, this one was pretty great.

Posted by djetter0801

Did anyone else also catch the editor's note that referred to events in issue #8, but it probably was meant for #0? #8was the Culling prelude.

Posted by ME24601

I really don't like Lobdel's writing on this book. I love Tim, and I want to like it so much, but I just can't. He has no clue how to write these characters well.

Posted by vernierhawk001

: It was that very point...that very line "the closest thing I had/have to a brother", that made me decide not to buy that book or RHATO 15. I just got so pissed at what seems like an obvious thumbing of the nose at the Tim/Dick relationship. What the heck....

Posted by Outside_85

read it, thought it was boring.

Posted by MonkeyToe

Not the biggest Lobdell fan but I thought this issue was Ok. Like G-Man, I didn't like the mixed messages about how Tim and Jason are like brothers. I also didn't like the random 1 page preview of Raven. Sure the costume is cool and I want to see her in the book, but right in the middle of the story like that? No thanks.

Posted by the3rdborn

I thought this issue it was alright i give it 3 stars. I love Tim Drake but not New52 Tim. Horrible costume,horrible origin,and where is his bo-staff

Posted by The Mighty Monarch

There's also a plot hole, Grey Lora died before the events of Death of the Family.

Posted by BatWatch

@vernierhawk001 said:

: It was that very point...that very line "the closest thing I had/have to a brother", that made me decide not to buy that book or RHATO 15. I just got so pissed at what seems like an obvious thumbing of the nose at the Tim/Dick relationship. What the heck....

I don't know. Lobdell seems to take joy in changing up the established continuity. Nonetheless, I actually found it to be a rather fun issue.

@MonkeyToe said:

Not the biggest Lobdell fan but I thought this issue was Ok. Like G-Man, I didn't like the mixed messages about how Tim and Jason are like brothers. I also didn't like the random 1 page preview of Raven. Sure the costume is cool and I want to see her in the book, but right in the middle of the story like that? No thanks.

Yeah, the transition to the Trigon/Raven story line was way awkward. I can't say I'm a fan of the costume either.

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Posted by sheldipez

@djetter0801: "mostly fluff with no substance" is a perfect description of this issue. Not gonna set the world on fire yet acceptable way of speding a few bucks.