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It could be said that this is the best Iron Man movie but is it the best Marvel Studios movie?

Tony's Thoughts

The third Iron Man movie is here. With last year's The Avengers, most of the viewers should know who Tony Stark and his supporting characters are. These days movies tend to focus on being a trilogy but with The Avengers, this is, in a way, Iron Man's fourth film. Now that the Marvel Cinematic Universe has opened up and we've seen more cohesion between the different characters, going back to a solo movie is an interesting experience.

With the attack by the Chitauri, the meeting with Thor and Loki and even the wormhole to another galaxy, Tony Stark's world has opened up more than ever. We get elements of him moving forward but also simply trying to deal with the experience he just went through. This allows us to see many sides of Tony Stark, and that's great considering Robert Downey Jr. is more than capable of handling it all.

With a flashback at the beginning, we're reminded of who Tony Stark was years before the events from the first movie. This gives us the connection to Aldrich Killian and the idea of Extremis. When we catch up to the present, there's the threat of the Mandarin, a terrorist with America in his sights.

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From here, you'll feel this is a different sort of Iron Man movie. That's a good thing. We don't want or necessarily need more of the same. For Iron Man to get involved with this sort of enemy, we're not seeing Iron Man vs. some villain in armor. This is also a movie about deconstructing Iron Man and Tony Stark. He isn't just a guy in a suit of armor. We need to, once again, really see what makes him tick. It's a great idea in showing us more than just the snazzy special fx of the suit flying around shooting the bad guys.

Where the movie shines but also flounders a bit is the humor. Robert Downey Jr. is great as Tony Stark. He is able to deliver the wittiest lines and give the movie a strong sense of being fun. There are times it gets to be a little too much. There were also moments I was trying to figure out what kind of movie this was and who it's being marketed towards. With the success of The Avengers, which was pretty much suitable for most ages, Iron Man 3 and director Shane Black had to decide what direction they want to take. There is a big reference to Tony's days of one night stands. It's innocent but the implication is plain to see. Some of the scenes of violence in Mandarin's war of terror might be a little too intense as well. But with all the jokes and the inclusion of child actor Ty Simpkins, you would think Disney is trying to make the movie appeal to younger viewers. Speaking of that kid, some of the scenes with the kid were funny but I could have done without his presence.

The other tough part is can you have a Marvel movie without other Marvel characters after The Avengers? Obviously, yes you can. But when the life of the President of the United States of America is at risk and when Tony Stark's home is destroyed, it's hard to accept that all his friends in the Avengers are busy elsewhere. Even the lack of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s presence was a little bothersome. Wouldn't this have been a great place to try to highlight the upcoming show? We don't even see a S.H.I.E.L.D. emblem anywhere. It's a minor gripe but isn't that what comic book readers are supposed to do? Other characters and events are referenced but just barely.

As far as the action goes, we are treated to some great scenes. I mentioned the different angle for Tony. He has to rely more on himself versus the tech of his suit. It makes for some really fun scenes but of course there will be an epic battle at the end. The threat of the Mandarin and Extremis combined with the twists and turns will keep you on the edge of your seat.

You will enjoy this movie. There shouldn't be any doubt with that. We get a great final scene. The movie serves as an epilogue to The Avengers and also sets up a new beginning. We were just spoiled a little with The Avengers.

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Gregg's Thoughts

I was late to my screening in Manhattan (thanks for the traffic, Lincoln tunnel) and barely made it in time. Because of this, I ended up in the third row of a massive theater. With my head uncomfortably titled back and wearing 3D glasses that barely let me see the entire screen, I was certain this was going to really take away from it. But you know what? It didn't. The slight pain in my neck was nothing compared to the huge amount of fun I was having. There's a scene in the film (fret not, this is totally spoiler-free) where a kid has a dumbfounded look on his face as he sees Iron Man. That look? It's the same stupid expression and sensation I had for most of the movie.

I'll admit, I was skeptical going in, too. I was afraid it would suffer too much of a "been there, done that" feeling. Robert Downey Jr. absolutely owns his role as Iron Man, but I was concerned we'd have a sense of overfamiliarity with him by now. Man, I was wrong. The laughs are every bit as good as the first and they're just as frequent. I can't recall the number of times I burst into laughter from one of Tony's remarks or even banter from another character (there's a great scene with two goons). Considering where I was seated, I was worried it would massively take away from the action as well. While close up shots were a little difficult to follow, they were still enthralling. There's a lot of action this time around and quite a few cheer-inducing moments. I know we've all seen the fleet of armors in the trailer, but in context it's still goosebump worthy.

Stark isn't in the suit all that much, and while that's sure to be upsetting for some, I thought it made the film feel refreshing. Instead, the plot has more of a detective vibe going for it and Tony needs to rely on his wit and what he can craft with limited supplies. Seeing him utilize all-new gear was simply awesome. Additionally, a decent chunk of the movie revolves around Tony teaming-up with a kid. On paper, that's facepalm-worthy stuff. But on the big screen, it actually works well. Watching Stark bounce his personality off someone new was definitely engaging, even if the team-up did generate a fairly cliche moment.

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While I do love this movie, I of course recognize Iron Man 3 is sure to divide fans. Rebecca Hall's character feels uninspired and if you're a comic purist, there's something that'll definitely piss you off. If you're searching for a deep story with minimal plot holes, then you'll likely leave the theater disappointed. But if you're looking for hugely entertaining action, an overdose of laughs and a whole lot of fun, then you're going to have a blast. I can say with full confidence Iron Man 3 is second place for me when it comes to Marvel Studios' films -- first place being The Avengers, of course.

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"The other tough part is can you have a Marvel movie without other Marvel characters after The Avengers? Obviously, yes you can. But when the life of the President of the United States of America is at risk and when Tony Stark's home is destroyed, it's hard to accept that all his friends in the Avengers are busy elsewhere."

Come on, this has been true of comics since superheroes first started being buddies. Don't see why that particular suspension of disbelief should change in the movies. It's necessary to keep an individual book/franchise solid.

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This might be the best Iron Man movie so far, but I'm quite displeased on how Mandarin was just a bait-and-switch for Aldrich Killian.

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Iron Man 1 is the best Iron Man movie by far. Three is too comical, and there's very little action in the Iron Man suit, and spoilers War Machine does absolutely no fighting whatsoever. What a cop out. It is a decent film, but is extremely disappointing. And it's sad when my favourite character was Ben Kingsley when it should have been the Iron Man suit which barely features, again. Yawn.

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The Mandarin stuff was weird but funny. What I can´t accept is the idea of having Extremis in the movie and Iron Man not using it, what´s the whole sense? The movie was OK until Tony was captured and told Pepper was injected with Extremis. Then I said “yes”, now he will be helping Killian with Extremis, he will improve the formula, and use it to build the ultimate suit in order to defeat him! No… Instead we got an army of empty Iron Men fighting with the Extremis guys and Pepper beating Killian…. =(

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Thank god someone finally agrees how bad this movie was

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I loved this movie but I'm saddened by how many people aren't liking it. I keep reading point after point on different websites and forums and I truly don't get the complaints. Its like everyone was okay with ignoring all the plot holes and bad villains of all the previous films and now suddenly it all matters on this one film.

For me this movie hit all the right beats in terms of emotion, action, and just plain having fun at the movies. Although only time and subsequent viewings will truly tell, I believe this is my favorite superhero movie so far.

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@flameboy298: and you have nothing relevant to say. as before.

No I dont..Because I dont want to continue this conversation.You win congratulations.

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@flameboy298: and you have nothing relevant to say. as before.

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I didnt like what they did to Mandarin. I'm just so disappointed because I expected much from him.

but the movie is still good in my opinion

I'm not too familiar with the Iron Man universe so I didn't expect much from Mandarin. From what I understand, Iron Man and him are like Batman and Joker; two big arch enemies who hate each other's guts. I only knew that after watching the movie and I too felt that they could've portrayed Mandarin a lot better but I enjoyed it for what it was. It was definitely a better movie than Iron Man 2. Whiplash was incredibly useless.

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@flameboy298: unlike you right? big comic book reader here. step aside. let the ultimate iron man expert through and tell you how it is.

Nice retort.

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@the_mast said:

I'm so baffled by the massive, monumental effort to justify what a terrible movie this is.

I mean, if you came out of the film liking it, that's cool. Just don't sit there trying to justify the plot holes or them making a mockery of a great villain.

You're points are conflicting here. One's complaining about the effort by people to say it's a bad film, the other is chastising those who are in the opposite camp. The issue I have is the lack of plot holes being mentioned and I'm personally glad the Mandarin ended up being the non-middle eastern bad guy.

The only worthwhile one that comes to mind pertains to Iron Patriot - outside that I'm running dry.

@boosterwing700 said:

really want to see at cinema's wondering is it worth it heard bad stuff???

Look at spoiler-free reviews, coming to comment section on the internet isn't the best place.

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really want to see at cinema's wondering is it worth it heard bad stuff???

Its just another Marvel solo film nothing much would'nt bother just read the spoilers

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I'm so baffled by the massive, monumental effort to justify what a terrible movie this is.

I mean, if you came out of the film liking it, that's cool. Just don't sit there trying to justify the plot holes or them making a mockery of a great villain.

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@flameboy298: unlike you right? big comic book reader here. step aside. let the ultimate iron man expert through and tell you how it is.

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Very interesting article on this Iron Man 3 case on IGN.

"I saw Iron Man 3 a couple of weeks ago at a press screening at the Disney Studios lot, and it was one of the most engaged audiences I’ve ever been a part of. If you’ve never been to a movie screening full of members of the press, quite often it can be a rather deadpan crowd. Full of critics observing and critiquing a movie as it unfolds before them or just jaded film enthusiasts that think art is dead and the Hollywood blockbuster will forever rule in its stead, much to their disdain. But at Iron Man 3, everyone was utterly entranced by the layers of humor, emotion, and plot twists. It was a great experience, and one usually reserved for midnight showings or convention screenings.

And then the movie started to open publicly across the world and I was totally shocked by some of the reaction from the hardcore comic book crowd. Granted, we’re a fickle lot that are very hard to please, but I was sure that Iron Man 3 would be a revelation that third movies could be just as good – and in my opinion far superior – to their predecessors. And while I’ve seen much positivity sharing the enthusiasm myself and my colleagues had after the screening we attended, I also found an overwhelming amount vitriol and ire regarding the movie’s focus on humor and, more so, the twist on the Mandarin character.

For my part, Iron Man 3 is the perfect successor to The Avengers, and currently ranks as my second favorite Marvel flick, just behind Captain America: The First Avenger (which I’m aware is another unpopular opinion amongst many fans). But it tackles all of the important thematic elements pertaining to Tony Stark; namely, as Cap asks him in The Avengers, what happens when you take away that suit of armor? Iron Man 3 answers that question with authority and shows that it’s the man that makes the Iron Man.

Additionally, the movie deftly handles the aftermath of the attack on New York City and Tony’s would-be suicide play into deep space. It explores the effect that has on his body, his relationship with Pepper Potts, his work, and his sanity. Meanwhile, co-writer/directorShane Black tackles all of this heavy material with a sense of humor and irreverence that is unmatched in any other superhero movie to date. Not to mention the action; oh, sweet lord, the action. How The Avengers 2 is expected to top Iron Man 3, I’ll never know (until May 2015, anyway)." Read More

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@clumsyninja said:

The only problem that the movie had, was that the Manadarin was a joke as a villain. Also, why he didn't use the Hulkbuster. Come on, tony (Stark that is...)

Heavy lifting suit was more or less the Hulk-Buster of this film.

I really didn't expect to be on the side of the haters with this one, but I think this movie was a notable failure. The action and comedy are great, and for anyone just looking for a dumb popcorn flick, this comes with a high recommendation. But for anyone who actually cares about these characters or expects a well developed story, this was a downright embarrassment. Easily the worst Marvel Studios film, and just about on par (but still a few notches above) Spider-Man 3.

Considering how character driven this narrative was, I wouldn't have a clue why people that give a damn about the characters wouldn't enjoy it.

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I just saw it now and while I liked a couple of things from the movie overall it was disappointing better than IM2 though not like that is something difficult to achieve in the first place.

Stuff that I really didn't like included

1. The Marine's death that Tony goes to investigate, nobody thought it odd that there were only 5 shadows on the wall when it was said 6 people where blown up until tony comes to investigate it later.

2. The Suits falling apart easily and I'm not referring to Mark 42 since that was explained as it was an experimental suit and not combat ready by Jarvis but the Iron Legion during their fight with the Extremis goons besides what happened to all the long range weapons tony usually put into his suit? why would the suits bother with close combat with them?

3. for a guy threatening the president of USA from the comfort of his home, he needs to invest in better security, the idea that a civilian with tazers and smoke bombs could easily infiltrate the base was annoying even if it was Tony.

4. A really boring and cliched bad guy with a plan I could care less about although Mandarin twist was funny.

5. Exactly how did Tony get over his anxiety issues?

This was the kind of movie you expect from Bay, overall a great dumb action comedy film not really deep at all and not was expected

2. A lot of these suits didn't even seem to be built for fighting to be honest - if anything a good portion where geared towards rescue operations.

5. The child character (that was more or less him in his youth) reminded him of who he was and inevitably by the time he gets to pepper, he's already moved past it - the whole operation clean-slate was pretty much a physical representation of him letting go of the events of Avengers, blowing up all the suits he's built since going through the portal. It was more or less a bit of character development as he re-found his center.

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I just saw it now and while I liked a couple of things from the movie overall it was disappointing better than IM2 though not like that is something difficult to achieve in the first place.

Stuff that I really didn't like included

1. The Marine's death that Tony goes to investigate, nobody thought it odd that there were only 5 shadows on the wall when it was said 6 people where blown up until tony comes to investigate it later.

2. The Suits falling apart easily and I'm not referring to Mark 42 since that was explained as it was an experimental suit and not combat ready by Jarvis but the Iron Legion during their fight with the Extremis goons besides what happened to all the long range weapons tony usually put into his suit? why would the suits bother with close combat with them?

3. for a guy threatening the president of USA from the comfort of his home, he needs to invest in better security, the idea that a civilian with tazers and smoke bombs could easily infiltrate the base was annoying even if it was Tony.

4. A really boring and cliched bad guy with a plan I could care less about although Mandarin twist was funny.

5. Exactly how did Tony get over his anxiety issues?

This was the kind of movie you expect from Bay, overall a great dumb action comedy film not really deep at all and not was expected

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I was absolutely pissed off by the revelation of the Mandarin ... and that new suit? I think it was underused or not presented in the right way, totally buggy and not what THE Tony Stark would build. He is a perfectionist!

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The multiple, and blatant Audi advertisements were laughable. I understand that Audi are sponsoring the film, but it just seemed ridiculous.

The film goes to great lengths to make you believe that Tony lost everything he owned after his house was destroyed; he drags the suit through the snow for hours to find civilisation. Then, seemingly out of nowhere, he turns up in a brand new Audi. Where did he find this? It just seemed really daft.

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I liked it, but didn't love it (I posted my own review on my blog). I think I agreed with a lot of the people here that had problems with it.

And it's clearly not even the best Iron Man movie, let alone best Marvel movie.

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I really didn't expect to be on the side of the haters with this one, but I think this movie was a notable failure. The action and comedy are great, and for anyone just looking for a dumb popcorn flick, this comes with a high recommendation. But for anyone who actually cares about these characters or expects a well developed story, this was a downright embarrassment. Easily the worst Marvel Studios film, and just about on par (but still a few notches above) Spider-Man 3.

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Wow what an extremely generous review. I thought it was pretty much terrible. The first half of the movie just felt like an extended trailer. There were some parts that were genuinely enjoyable but it was an awkward bag of a very serious and over complicated and over crowded plot mixed with over ridiculous jokes that were more cringe-worthy than funny.

It was not a good movie.

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Pretty disappointing to me. The humor was good, but maybe there was too much of it. I personally like tony in the suite... not out of the suite for 80% of the movie. All the armors were awesome... if they had shown a little more detail into them. I'd give it 3.5 stars.

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@nakobass said:

Loved Iron Man 3 Huge Iron Man Fan, Could careless about the Mandarin. He's always been a joke character. Just look at the 90s Iron Man cartoon. Can't wait to see it again, and get it on Blu-ray.

Hah. Please. Who wasn't a joke in those 90s cartoons? And even then, the Mandarin was always a credible threat against Iron Man, despite how ridiculous he looked. Here, they could have included a completely new villain to fill his shoes, or even used a more obscure canon character. Hell, Aldrich Killian himself had only one significant appearance in the comics, and was practically a reinvented character for the movie. The inclusion of the Mandarin was to give REAL Iron Man fans what they wanted, only to flip it around into a big "f*ck you".

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heard it sucked. i'll wait for the blu-ray.

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I want to see this so bad, I'm just waiting for my friend to be available. I'll see it without him though screw it I love superhero movies

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The only problem that the movie had, was that the Manadarin was a joke as a villain. Also, why he didn't use the Hulkbuster. Come on, tony (Stark that is...)

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Loved Iron Man 3 Huge Iron Man Fan, Could careless about the Mandarin. He's always been a joke character. Just look at the 90s Iron Man cartoon. Can't wait to see it again, and get it on Blu-ray.

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@isaac_clarke said:

@outside_85 said:

@isaac_clarke said:

@reignmaker said:

@outside_85 said:

Honestly I think this was the weakest of the Iron Man films, the other two seemed to have their own course, this one was Iron Man trying to be Dark Knight Rises.

Haven't seen it yet, but that's definitely the vibe I've gotten from the trailers.

It's based off Extremis, not the Dark Knight Rises. The Dark Knight Rises if anything is more reminiscent of what has happened to stark in the last few years of comics.

Really now? Last I checked, Extremis was the cutting edge of Iron Man armors before the Bleeding Edge arrived and that it was either stored within Tony's bones or kept in geostationary orbit and that Dark Reign was pretty much the end of it. As far as I know, the movie had nothing to do with the Extremis story (which I haven't actually read, mind).

All I am seeing is a story that follows along the same trail Dark Knight Rises is, it's just vastly inferior as a story, but more humorous.

Considering most of the cast was lifted right out of the book, certainly. You should check it out if you have the time given the motion comic is on Netflix.

Personally I found the Dark Knight Rises to be a little poor for my tastes, but that was mainly because of an assortment of plot-holes consistently made staying in the narrative tough. IM3 was geared towards Stark's character, post Avengers and trying to move past his universe exploding quite literally from that experience. Overall I thought it was a much better narrative, but that's just me.

Just so we are clear, nothing in my OP on this topic was aimed at the Iron Man comic (again because I haven't read the entire Extremis story). What I was aiming at was that IM3 follows DKR's footprints so closely you'd think the director had copied the DKR storyline, switched everything Batman into Iron Man, added some more explosions and witty lines for Downy and sent it all off. And mind you, this was something I realized half-way through the movie.

IM3 is funnier, but DKR is a better movie and a better closure to a trilogy, which IM3 also appeared to be.

I think you're both probably right, but on different levels. The movie's overall plot was based on the Etremis story. This wiki entry explained it nicely: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremis_%28comics%29

That being said, it doesn't mean the director couldn't have taken some direction and inspiration from the successful Batman trilogy that came before. Skyfall's director openly cited Nolan's films as an inspiration. Heck, if you look at the next Star Trek movie coming out, it seems JJ is also following in Nolan's footsteps. It doesn't have to be blatant to be noticeable. But to me, it's been noticeable.

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@danial79 said:

@elfaki said:

I went to the theater with really high expectations and it was one disappointing moment after an another. let me tell you some (I.e. vent some frustration):

2. The point in Iron Man 2 was that Tony Stark needed a new reactor and created a BRAND NEW ELEMENT on the pt so he wouldn't die. in IM3 all he did was have a surgery. couldn't he do that in IM2???

A lot of people were confused by this, but my take was that he was finally able to have the surgery because he had injected himself with the perfected Extremis. Essentially he and Pepper now have healing factors.

Finally someone who speaks English @ this, but my take was that he was finally able to have the surgery because he had injected himself with the perfected Extremis. But i think he more than perfected it for himself...he mentioned how he can't resist tinkering with stuff.

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So I've read every comment as of right now, and I kept thinking:

"What does this remind me of?" Then it hit me.

You people sound exactly like you did after Iron Man 2. Complaining about the Mandarin. Most of you didn't want a Mandarin in the first place, once it was announced back in 2011. And honestly I enjoyed the twist. Dont any of you tell me you didn't do a double-take when

Tony rescued all of those people from Air Force One remotely.

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The movie was enjoyable. Wasn't too perterbed about a ringless Mandarin, but I half-expected that. For me, it blew TDKR out of the water, but somewhat failed to reach the height of The Avengers.

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@elfaki said:

@goddamnironman: you are correct on 1 and 2 but it is still quite thin as an explanation... as for 4 they should have at least mentioned something... anything! as for 5 when he crash landed shouldn't his next move, be his way of going to the Stark tower? doesn't he have a spare suit there?

Ah! I remembered another one! So when Rowds asks Tony for a suit at the battle towards the end, he said that only he could fly them they were coded to his dna. But Adrich flew one. Pepper flew in one (okay maybe he had made some special parameters for her) the President flew in the Iron Patriot. That line was intented for laughs and that was the problem, they decided to go with funny and over the top action in at the expense of plot... It could have been great. the Mandarin is an amazing villain and they they used was pointless and for what.. for laughs!

5) he landed in Tenesse on purpose, cuz he need to investigate the Mandarin bombing case related to one of the former soldier, whose family live there.

When did Aldrich flew 1? you mean when Stark tells Jarvis to wrap him up with the suit and cause explosion? that is a suicide command. Even the suit didn't explode, Aldrich still can't control the suit, because it's control by Jarvis. As for the Iron Patriot, that was initially mark II, maybe it isn't coded with DNA processing technology.

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Haters gonna hate. I loved it. So did the rest of the people watching it in the IMAX theatre I just watched it in.

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@mtrakos: Uh no. The Avengers is the best Marvel ever. The only thing that will ever beat The Avengers is The Avengers 2 and 3

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like everybody I didn't like what they did for mandarin. other than that, awesome. I had to leave before the credits ended, can anyone pm me and tell me what happened?

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@geno said:

People are giving valid reasons for why THEY (read: WE) don't like IM3. It's a matter of opinion. If you find all the cons to be acceptable, then good for you. The rest of us had higher expectations, and if the only defense you can give is that we "hate ironman, marvel, RDJ or are just [huge DC fanboys]", then I suggest you keep to yourself.

What plot holes? Valid isn't a word I'd use for a lot of the reasoning being used here.

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@Issac Clark. Your defending this film as if you made it. Face it, it wasn't that good. Oh and I effing know who Tony Stark is.

I like how made it appear you where replying to me, but made sure I wouldn't see any PM's of it.

The film had it's flaws and I'm willing to acknowledge those; but that isn't what a lot of people here are complaining about. You're complaint was "where's Iron Man" and the film drives home the point that Tony Stark is Iron Man - suit or not. You're comment was completely oblivious to it and I saw that as an issue.

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I saw the movie this afternoon and really enjoyed it. It doesn't top Avengers for me though as my favorite marvel film. It also doesn't top Iron Man 1 as my favorite Iron Man film, but ti was still good.

The Extremis story arc reinvented Iron man and Tony Stark. He no longer had to have his armor shipped along with him anymore. He could now materialize the under suit out of his bones and then call the armor to him with his thoughts. It was a major step forward in making Iron Man what he is today in the comics. I think the film adaptation of the Extremis arc did the same thing. It reinvented the character. He got rid of his Malibu house. He has to start fresh with suits as they were all destroyed. He is more prepared now to face this kind of a threat. He got over his trauma from the New York Incident in the Avengers (Which is why he never went to Stark Tower BTW, he was having panic attacks just thinking about it, and you expect him to actually go back to the city? Not happening.) He removed the shrapnel from his chest. The Tony Stark at the end of this film is a reinvented one. I'm sure that we will see more of that reinvention in future movies.

I wasn't bothered by the amount of humor in this movie as thats how Tony Stark is in the Cinematic Universe. He uses humor and sarcasm as a defense mechanism. Watch any fight scene with Tony in the Avengers. He's making jokes the entire time. "Doth Mother knoweth you wearest her drapes!?" I don't see a problem with the humor. If it killed the serious tone you expected then you came to the wrong superhero's movie.

As for the twist, it did shock me. The amount of attention they put on the Mandarin in the advertising was immense, but that was to hide the twist and make it more shocking. Yes it was very similar to the twist in DKR, but be honest if you are familiar with Talia you saw that coming. I know I did. The kid in the prison not being Bane did catch me off guard though. I was never a huge Mandarin fan so the fact that he is just a figurehead didn't bother me so much. The main thing that disappointed me with this twist is there is no connection to the Ten Rings from the first film now. Unless Tony's kidnapping was in fact orchestrated by AIM and Obadiah, but they didn't clarify that in the film so thats just speculation on my part. I would have liked to see if there was a connection with the Ten Rings or not though. Also while this Mandarin was exactly who we expected him to be, there is potential for him to become that as he was sent to prison. Perhaps the experience causes him to become the persona he invented as a way of coping with the prison life. I think that would be interesting. Aldrich was really the Mandarin though. That's why he had those asian dragon tattoo's. This concept of them combining two Iron man villains together isn't new. They did it last time in Iron Man 2 with Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo.


Overall though I enjoyed the movie. I look forward to seeing it again over the weekend.

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@Issac Clark. Your defending this film as if you made it. Face it, it wasn't that good. Oh and I effing know who Tony Stark is.

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saw it today finally. it wasn't as bad as i expected it, of course, the mandarin disaster was a huge let down, but overall, it was pretty good. but the first part, is still the best.

i liked the thing that tony had to fight a lot outside the suit.

but, like almost every third part, it seemed like they shoved too much stuff into one movie.

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It's on Netflix and is a nice introduction to Tony Stark if you haven't read disassembled. Can you point out to me how IM3 was a copy of the DNR? A big part of the plot for DNR consisted of Bruce's crack at clean energy that bankrupted Wayne Industries, revenge for the death of Ras on Bruce, <insert an assortment of nonsensical plot> and finally Bruce passing the mantle onto Joseph. IM3 is more arguably an epilogue to Avengers and the ramifications it had on Marvel Earth and Tony Stark, trying to spin it as a copy of DNR when there is a great deal of drastic differences to either of these worlds is a bit of a struggle of the mind.

IM3 wasn't intended to be closure to the series, simply an accumulation of what had happened prior and to elaborate on what Tony Stark is without the suit. [Spoilers - He's Iron Man] The Film ends with the clear test "Tony Stark will return."

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I loved that the movie was about Tony without the armor most of the time.

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Dont know how people can say this was a Good movie,Guess some people dont read the comics.

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@grim said:

+ the twist was amazing. and it allowed us a Mandrin. The 10 rings could not have been magic, because the marvel cinematic universe isnt set up for random magic in the world (yet).
This is post-Thor, and post-Avengers. We've established there are Norse Gods and Aliens. Not to mention in a world of AI robots and fire breathing humans, would the "magic" (actually alien science) rings really have been a big deal? No. They completely screwed up the Mandarin's character, who by all rights is Tony Stark's archenemy. This, along with the accumulation of plot holes and other annoyances, far outweigh the few good points of this film, which had so much potential.

@norrinboltagonprime21 said:

I swear people are insane. It seems more like people are hating on this movie for the sake of hating on the movie without any real reasons. People are complaining about "plot holes" while mainly giving idiotic complaints about how they think the movie should've gone. Some of the complaints like "tony's not in the armor enough" or "too much comedy" makes me shake my head in shame if this is how people really think. Of course tony's not in the armor, its damaged and being repaired. But if tony's in the armor like they want, people will complain how he's in the armor too much. The too much comedy thing is stupid, I guess the movie should be humorless like what most people want. Tony's character is supposed to be witty whether you like it or not. I guess he should drop that side of his character but wait, thats another plot hole people will complain about!

Some people just need to come out and say if they hate ironman, marvel, RDJ or are just a huge DC fanboy that they can't acknowledge anything marvel does can be good because that's where majority of the hate seems to be coming from. I'm pretty sure if this was a dc movie and/or directed by chris nolan it would all of be a sudden be fantastic movie that will be an all time great.

People are giving valid reasons for why THEY (read: WE) don't like IM3. It's a matter of opinion. If you find all the cons to be acceptable, then good for you. The rest of us had higher expectations, and if the only defense you can give is that we "hate ironman, marvel, RDJ or are just [huge DC fanboys]", then I suggest you keep to yourself.

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@isaac_clarke said:

@reignmaker said:

@outside_85 said:

Honestly I think this was the weakest of the Iron Man films, the other two seemed to have their own course, this one was Iron Man trying to be Dark Knight Rises.

Haven't seen it yet, but that's definitely the vibe I've gotten from the trailers.

It's based off Extremis, not the Dark Knight Rises. The Dark Knight Rises if anything is more reminiscent of what has happened to stark in the last few years of comics.

Really now? Last I checked, Extremis was the cutting edge of Iron Man armors before the Bleeding Edge arrived and that it was either stored within Tony's bones or kept in geostationary orbit and that Dark Reign was pretty much the end of it. As far as I know, the movie had nothing to do with the Extremis story (which I haven't actually read, mind).

All I am seeing is a story that follows along the same trail Dark Knight Rises is, it's just vastly inferior as a story, but more humorous.

Considering most of the cast was lifted right out of the book, certainly. You should check it out if you have the time given the motion comic is on Netflix.

Personally I found the Dark Knight Rises to be a little poor for my tastes, but that was mainly because of an assortment of plot-holes consistently made staying in the narrative tough. IM3 was geared towards Stark's character, post Avengers and trying to move past his universe exploding quite literally from that experience. Overall I thought it was a much better narrative, but that's just me.

Just so we are clear, nothing in my OP on this topic was aimed at the Iron Man comic (again because I haven't read the entire Extremis story). What I was aiming at was that IM3 follows DKR's footprints so closely you'd think the director had copied the DKR storyline, switched everything Batman into Iron Man, added some more explosions and witty lines for Downy and sent it all off. And mind you, this was something I realized half-way through the movie.

IM3 is funnier, but DKR is a better movie and a better closure to a trilogy, which IM3 also appeared to be.

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It sucked..

Oh, wait. I haven't seen it yet.

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@isaac_clarke said:

@reignmaker said:

@outside_85 said:

Honestly I think this was the weakest of the Iron Man films, the other two seemed to have their own course, this one was Iron Man trying to be Dark Knight Rises.

Haven't seen it yet, but that's definitely the vibe I've gotten from the trailers.

It's based off Extremis, not the Dark Knight Rises. The Dark Knight Rises if anything is more reminiscent of what has happened to stark in the last few years of comics.

Really now? Last I checked, Extremis was the cutting edge of Iron Man armors before the Bleeding Edge arrived and that it was either stored within Tony's bones or kept in geostationary orbit and that Dark Reign was pretty much the end of it. As far as I know, the movie had nothing to do with the Extremis story (which I haven't actually read, mind).

All I am seeing is a story that follows along the same trail Dark Knight Rises is, it's just vastly inferior as a story, but more humorous.

Considering most of the cast was lifted right out of the book, certainly. You should check it out if you have the time given the motion comic is on Netflix.

Personally I found the Dark Knight Rises to be a little poor for my tastes, but that was mainly because of an assortment of plot-holes consistently made staying in the narrative tough. IM3 was geared towards Stark's character, post Avengers and trying to move past his universe exploding quite literally from that experience. Overall I thought it was a much better narrative, but that's just me.

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@k4tzm4n said:

@the_stegman said:

1. WAY too much forced comedy, it's like every other word out of RDJ's mouth was some sarcastic remark or quip, I like RDJ because of his humor but it made this feel like more of a comedy than a superhero movie.

2. Tony's ridiculous flipping around like Spider-Man in the room to catch his break away armor which leads to the next point...

3. TOO MUCH USE OF THAT STUPID SUIT!!! I know it's the focus point of the movie, he has a brand new shiny suit, but come on! We get it, it flies at him fast and he hast to jump and react to it, but seeing that four times in one movie gets old, same thing with the "Oh, Tony's not in the suit, he's controlling it from a far." gag they used three times.

4. The TRUE villain's plan was pretty vague, why exactly did he want to kill the president? And him as a villain entirely was pretty boring.

5. Pepper was just as useless as always except for the end when she becomes ''Super Pepper" because we all know she didn't /really/ fall to her death, that would be too unpredictable.

Overall, it was very disappointing

I agree the villain's agenda was rather vague, but it's clear he wanted to kill the President so the Vice President could take over -- a man who clearly supports his research.

Hulk have to say though, Hulk thought that Pepper would embrace becoming a superhuman and then kill the Mandarin. Hulk would if Hulk were Pepper. She should think of the perks.