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It could be said that this is the best Iron Man movie but is it the best Marvel Studios movie?

Tony's Thoughts

The third Iron Man movie is here. With last year's The Avengers, most of the viewers should know who Tony Stark and his supporting characters are. These days movies tend to focus on being a trilogy but with The Avengers, this is, in a way, Iron Man's fourth film. Now that the Marvel Cinematic Universe has opened up and we've seen more cohesion between the different characters, going back to a solo movie is an interesting experience.

With the attack by the Chitauri, the meeting with Thor and Loki and even the wormhole to another galaxy, Tony Stark's world has opened up more than ever. We get elements of him moving forward but also simply trying to deal with the experience he just went through. This allows us to see many sides of Tony Stark, and that's great considering Robert Downey Jr. is more than capable of handling it all.

With a flashback at the beginning, we're reminded of who Tony Stark was years before the events from the first movie. This gives us the connection to Aldrich Killian and the idea of Extremis. When we catch up to the present, there's the threat of the Mandarin, a terrorist with America in his sights.

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From here, you'll feel this is a different sort of Iron Man movie. That's a good thing. We don't want or necessarily need more of the same. For Iron Man to get involved with this sort of enemy, we're not seeing Iron Man vs. some villain in armor. This is also a movie about deconstructing Iron Man and Tony Stark. He isn't just a guy in a suit of armor. We need to, once again, really see what makes him tick. It's a great idea in showing us more than just the snazzy special fx of the suit flying around shooting the bad guys.

Where the movie shines but also flounders a bit is the humor. Robert Downey Jr. is great as Tony Stark. He is able to deliver the wittiest lines and give the movie a strong sense of being fun. There are times it gets to be a little too much. There were also moments I was trying to figure out what kind of movie this was and who it's being marketed towards. With the success of The Avengers, which was pretty much suitable for most ages, Iron Man 3 and director Shane Black had to decide what direction they want to take. There is a big reference to Tony's days of one night stands. It's innocent but the implication is plain to see. Some of the scenes of violence in Mandarin's war of terror might be a little too intense as well. But with all the jokes and the inclusion of child actor Ty Simpkins, you would think Disney is trying to make the movie appeal to younger viewers. Speaking of that kid, some of the scenes with the kid were funny but I could have done without his presence.

The other tough part is can you have a Marvel movie without other Marvel characters after The Avengers? Obviously, yes you can. But when the life of the President of the United States of America is at risk and when Tony Stark's home is destroyed, it's hard to accept that all his friends in the Avengers are busy elsewhere. Even the lack of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s presence was a little bothersome. Wouldn't this have been a great place to try to highlight the upcoming show? We don't even see a S.H.I.E.L.D. emblem anywhere. It's a minor gripe but isn't that what comic book readers are supposed to do? Other characters and events are referenced but just barely.

As far as the action goes, we are treated to some great scenes. I mentioned the different angle for Tony. He has to rely more on himself versus the tech of his suit. It makes for some really fun scenes but of course there will be an epic battle at the end. The threat of the Mandarin and Extremis combined with the twists and turns will keep you on the edge of your seat.

You will enjoy this movie. There shouldn't be any doubt with that. We get a great final scene. The movie serves as an epilogue to The Avengers and also sets up a new beginning. We were just spoiled a little with The Avengers.

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Gregg's Thoughts

I was late to my screening in Manhattan (thanks for the traffic, Lincoln tunnel) and barely made it in time. Because of this, I ended up in the third row of a massive theater. With my head uncomfortably titled back and wearing 3D glasses that barely let me see the entire screen, I was certain this was going to really take away from it. But you know what? It didn't. The slight pain in my neck was nothing compared to the huge amount of fun I was having. There's a scene in the film (fret not, this is totally spoiler-free) where a kid has a dumbfounded look on his face as he sees Iron Man. That look? It's the same stupid expression and sensation I had for most of the movie.

I'll admit, I was skeptical going in, too. I was afraid it would suffer too much of a "been there, done that" feeling. Robert Downey Jr. absolutely owns his role as Iron Man, but I was concerned we'd have a sense of overfamiliarity with him by now. Man, I was wrong. The laughs are every bit as good as the first and they're just as frequent. I can't recall the number of times I burst into laughter from one of Tony's remarks or even banter from another character (there's a great scene with two goons). Considering where I was seated, I was worried it would massively take away from the action as well. While close up shots were a little difficult to follow, they were still enthralling. There's a lot of action this time around and quite a few cheer-inducing moments. I know we've all seen the fleet of armors in the trailer, but in context it's still goosebump worthy.

Stark isn't in the suit all that much, and while that's sure to be upsetting for some, I thought it made the film feel refreshing. Instead, the plot has more of a detective vibe going for it and Tony needs to rely on his wit and what he can craft with limited supplies. Seeing him utilize all-new gear was simply awesome. Additionally, a decent chunk of the movie revolves around Tony teaming-up with a kid. On paper, that's facepalm-worthy stuff. But on the big screen, it actually works well. Watching Stark bounce his personality off someone new was definitely engaging, even if the team-up did generate a fairly cliche moment.

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While I do love this movie, I of course recognize Iron Man 3 is sure to divide fans. Rebecca Hall's character feels uninspired and if you're a comic purist, there's something that'll definitely piss you off. If you're searching for a deep story with minimal plot holes, then you'll likely leave the theater disappointed. But if you're looking for hugely entertaining action, an overdose of laughs and a whole lot of fun, then you're going to have a blast. I can say with full confidence Iron Man 3 is second place for me when it comes to Marvel Studios' films -- first place being The Avengers, of course.

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The one where Rhodes had a short cameo and Tony Stark was apparently not continuing a struggle with alcoholism established in IM2? Nope, I did not see that movie. Most of what you're saying simply isn't consistent with what happened on film and there's my issue with it.

@the_mast said:

Isaac clearly just lives to be contrarian. He doesn't like anyone saying anything bad about this movie.

We all just didn't "get" it.

Considering most of the complaints here, yes a lot of you I'm responding to didn't 'get it' or apparently saw such an edited version of the film where Rhode's role was reduced to five minutes or frankly every scene featuring something was five minutes.

It isn't I don't like people saying bad things about this film - it's just I want those to actually be from reality and not some special place in the sky that they pull nonsense from.

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You type like someone paid to make excuses for those parts. Who are you trying to convince, me or you? Because you're not convincing me.

You type like someone trying to read a lot more into my posts than necessary. The initial point in your post was poorly written and confusing.

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There was nothing complicated or clever about the switch. Clever to who? Not to me. Lame, pseudo-smart and pathetic is what it was. You hire a grand actor to play an incredible role and then you turn him into Russell Brand? No. Sorry. No amount of. "You see, what they meant was, symbolically symbolising symbol symbol symbol" will change that. Overcomplicate the simplistic failings of this movie all you want.

So outside it being a twist you didn't appreciate or the clear meaning behind that twist - do you have any legitimate complaints about his performance or the writing behind the character played Ben Kingsley? It isn't my fault you didn't 'get it' I guess - it certainly isn't something I'm attempting to over-complicate when it was a clear sentiment from the film that it was playing right off the audience's perception of terrorism.

@the_mast said:

He didn't have to move past having suits, or being Iron Man. Pepper came around and Tony has issues. They both could've worked on a compromise.

He wasn't moving past the suits, he was destroying the suits he made while he couldn't sleep - that quite literally embodied the character's own anxiety from the events of Avengers. It has less to do with compromise and more to do with the meaning behind the action itself - he's moving past his issues and moving forward in life rather than wallowing in the past.

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They were. They were hilarious. I couldn't take them seriously at all. Half the time he's making jokes and witty one-liners while clutching his chest. Stop making excuses. I've seen panic attacks. I've worked in medicine and I have people who experience it in my family. If you trigger one of them, they don't sit there going. "OH NOW YOU'VE SAID THAT THING!" and pulling funny faces. It takes more than breathing to chill them out.

You have an odd sense of humor then. And no he wasn't clutching his chest making jokes or one-liners. You're argument for why these anxiety attacks seem to be Robert's performance was unconvincing or more specifically poor in their portrayal. I've heard opposing opinions on their portrayal from individuals in the armed services and medical profession - but you're experience matters more I guess.

"They were. They were hilarious." Doesn't translate well into text - just to note.

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Plot-Holes/Plot Contrivances (For the anal amongst us):

Tony Stark invites Mandarin to his house. The attack happens and obviously this isn't good. Why did it take Maya Hansen seeing the missile for Stark to know it was coming? "OH! SHE WAS IN WITH THEM?!" So? Why didn't Stark have more warning systems? He has one for when folks are INSIDE his house.

He didn't invite her - she simply walked in. The early warning you're described is Jarvis announcing someone approaching in their car, which Stark questions the lack of security and Jarvis points out it's a little difficult when you've given the world your home address. Maya saw it on the television screen, she wasn't expecting to be in the house while AIM made its attempt to attack.

Notice the use of 'house-party' when he summons all the suits? That was going to be his defense against the Mandarin in the event of the attack - the issue was Stark was caught unaware. You could point fingers at Jarvis if you'd like, but he isn't a magic AI that can see helicopters with armaments coming at the house.

@the_mast said:

Why did the President let the Iron Patriot, an armed walking tank, onto his plane without so much as a whiff of identification? No lift of the mask, no greeting. Nothing. Odd behaviour for a man just threatened by a terrorist.

Rhodes is the only one that can pilot the suit; at least that is normally how it works. That was made evident that these suits are locked into select individuals when Rhodes asks Stark for a suit and tells him he can't do it (only Pepper and Stark were able to use post Avengers suits). He did greet the President with a salute. What you're arguing is PIS (plot induced stupidity) - this is not a plot hole.

@the_mast said:

Where was S.H.I.E.L.D. when this terrorist was going around the world generating near-nuclear blasts? Don't give me that nonsense about budget. The organisation has a million agents. You could've cast anyone. Mention them at least.

For one thing the blasts were no-where near the level of destructive capacity of a nuclear weapon. These attacks were random, often without a trace that SHIELD could even follow (they couldn't even track Loki till he revealed himself intentionally). AIM was clearly well resourced and able to cover their tracks well enough to avoid suspicion (as in hijacking television multiple times without issue) and I'm not even entirely sure SHIELD deals with terror threats that consist of killing handfuls of people at best - they're more of a global task force.

Also you should consider time. The events of the film take place in the matter of days - in particular the final part of the president's kidnapping in the matter of at best 40 hours. That leaves SHIELD with a considerably small amount of time to even mount a response and since Tony wasn't involving them that pretty much made their involvement in this film nearly impossible. That is assuming they are even in a position to help.

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Still, I'm sure you have some B.S., non-factual, highly subjective reaching explanation for these. Some kind of masturbatory, pseudo-intellectual explanation for things that just don't make sense.

Didn't Mandarin claim to be of The Ten Rings? If not, there were ten rings on his fingers and in the logo for the propaganda vids. The Ten Rings existed since Iron Man 3. Was that all Killian, too?

Something about this later portion gives me the impression you aren't interested in reasonable discussion. Mainly the masturbatory comment. Which given you're trying to pass PIS at best as a plot-hole it's a bit of "meh" argument on your part to begin with. Nice effort though.

We wouldn't know if the Mandarin adopted the 10 rings or if Killian initially created the 10 rings. There isn't enough data from the films to come to any conclusive answer for either theory. Given the narration implies the Mandarin's appearance was after Avengers made their own appearance - that might be a clue, but again not enough to work with.

Example of a Plot Hole:

  • The lack of ability for the President to break free of those chains using the Iron Patriot (although given the lack of control the President displayed when being flown from the plain - you could make an argument his options are limited) outside that I'm personally drawing a blank.

The film itself was littered with symbolism - you may argue that it doesn't exist but that's just a tough argument to really provide any intellectual evidence other than "NOPE NOT THERE!" and repeating symbolism over and over in place of an argument that I and my associates was wrong to interpret it that way.

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Amazing movie! I could've hoped for about twenty more minutes of depth to make the script a little bit more intellectual but it was a comedic thrill ride, full of action and adventure. It was nice not to see Tony in his armor the entire movie, it made it more real and gave him a sense of vulnerability! The big plot twist was so welcome and intriguing, it seems to be a lead into to something big after the introduction of magic in Dr Strange!

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I'm amazed by how much people like Iron Man 3. I thought it was terrible.

I got the feeling that filmmakers thought that the coolest part of the Avengers movie was when Tony was falling and the Iron Man armor came to him, because they seemed to rehash that scene every 5 minutes in Iron Man 3. Someone's always either falling into or out of a set of armor in this movie.

And the kid sidekick? Oh, come on!

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Could any Iron Man fan say that the Mandarin, a man with a genius-level intellect, wouldn’t devise a plan involving a shadow terrorist leader who hides the identity of the true mastermind? For those who believed that the “magic” element wasn’t explored enough and were disappointed that the character didn’t have ten rings with individual powers, was it not enough that Aldrich Killian/The Mandarin could spit fire, had superhuman strength and regenerative abilities? With control over a massive conglomerate with Advanced Idea Mechanics as well as a widespread terrorism organization, can you argue that he didn’t have the same kind of clout and influence? If those are the characteristics that make The Mandarin, the only complaint that people have is that he looks like Guy Pearce instead of Sir Ben Kingsley.

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Saw it last night and I have to say was really disappointed. The trailer made it look like a fun action packed movie like Avengers but have that great character driven story like Ironman 1. I think all the armors were basically worth less. The Things he did with them are stupid. I did like though sometimes when he would try to get in a new armor it would be knocked aside. Though I did think the CGI was really, really bad. What annoyed me most was the stupid CG deer. I wanted the anxiety .attacks to go further like something he overcomes during the final battle. It was just about dropped from the movie. The kid was really annoying. And for the most part I thought the joke were stupid and not funny.

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I'm partial because they once again used our eyewear (Initium Eyewear) in the movie but I found it really enjoyable. Was it perfect? No..but few things are.

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Isaac clearly just lives to be contrarian. He doesn't like anyone saying anything bad about this movie.

We all just didn't "get" it.

@isaac_clarke said:

@the_mast said:

@isaac_clarke said:

@the_mast said:

I'm so baffled by the massive, monumental effort to justify what a terrible movie this is.

I mean, if you came out of the film liking it, that's cool. Just don't sit there trying to justify the plot holes or them making a mockery of a great villain.

You're points are conflicting here. One's complaining about the effort by people to say it's a bad film, the other is chastising those who are in the opposite camp. The issue I have is the lack of plot holes being mentioned and I'm personally glad the Mandarin ended up being the non-middle eastern bad guy.

The only worthwhile one that comes to mind pertains to Iron Patriot - outside that I'm running dry.

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really want to see at cinema's wondering is it worth it heard bad stuff???

Look at spoiler-free reviews, coming to comment section on the internet isn't the best place.

They didn't, though.

They made him a joke. They didn't make him anything. It's inexcusable. Stop trying to overcomplicate it. If you liked what they did, that's cool, but let's stop acting like they acting like they didn't make a mockery of I.M.'s greatest villain.

He didn't need to destroy his suits. Pepper said she understands his need for them. Logically they should've worked on a compromise, but it just looks more spectacular if he does all that and explodes them.

The end scene was anti-climactic. The fight with the suits felt like nothing to me. "Anxiety" isn't comedically grabbing your chest before you're calmed down by a small child. It kept insisting we take the serious parts with weight, but I don't see any reason I should considering they can't stick to it. Pepper was the one thing grounding Tony in reality, and she becomes a souped-up meta-human.

I'm ok with people praising it. I just don't understand why because I thought it was obviously terrible. You seem intent on pointing out why disagreements are wrong (Which they aren't) rather than expressing why you disagree.

The way the post was written had a conflicting sense of what you were saying. I had to pause and give it some though as to which camp you were talking to, I'd read it again if I were you to get a better idea of why that might be the case.

The joke was that Ben Kingsely Mandarin wasn't actually the Mandarin, instead Killian was. It isn't very complicated when he's saying "I am the Mandarin" in the movie - the only shift being instead of a more stereo-typical bad-guy on the middle-eastern appearance or location - we had a rather clever switch done. There isn't anything complicated about it.

The Suits were quite literally the physical embodiment of his anxiety from Avengers. Him blowing them up was clear symbolism of him letting go and moving past it / moving forward.

Which end scene? I'm not sure what you were supposed to feel, I thought it was rather interesting to watch. You're complaining about his acting of having those anxiety attacks - which quite honestly weren't comedic in depiction. Pepper was injected with Extremis, I honestly don't see how this is going to have any significant impact on her character being more of a support role in any future adventures.

I'm content on understanding people's grievances or clearing up points of confusion. The fact so many people didn't get that he injects himself with Extremis at the end film despite it being clearly said is a blinding example of this.

You totally fine with it being praised, despite it being obviously terrible. There's a difference between disagreements and people simply not understanding what's going on in a particular scene - whether because it was a late night or they missed it for-whatever reason. Wouldn't me telling them where they were wrong be the "why"? So when are you going to mention a plot-hole?

You type like someone paid to make excuses for those parts. Who are you trying to convince, me or you? Because you're not convincing me.

There was nothing complicated or clever about the switch. Clever to who? Not to me. Lame, pseudo-smart and pathetic is what it was. You hire a grand actor to play an incredible role and then you turn him into Russell Brand? No. Sorry. No amount of. "You see, what they meant was, symbolically symbolising symbol symbol symbol" will change that. Overcomplicate the simplistic failings of this movie all you want.

He didn't have to move past having suits, or being Iron Man. Pepper came around and Tony has issues. They both could've worked on a compromise.

They were. They were hilarious. I couldn't take them seriously at all. Half the time he's making jokes and witty one-liners while clutching his chest. Stop making excuses. I've seen panic attacks. I've worked in medicine and I have people who experience it in my family. If you trigger one of them, they don't sit there going. "OH NOW YOU'VE SAID THAT THING!" and pulling funny faces. It takes more than breathing to chill them out.

Plot-Holes/Plot Contrivances (For the anal amongst us):

Tony Stark invites Mandarin to his house. The attack happens and obviously this isn't good. Why did it take Maya Hansen seeing the missile for Stark to know it was coming? "OH! SHE WAS IN WITH THEM?!" So? Why didn't Stark have more warning systems? He has one for when folks are INSIDE his house.

Why did the President let the Iron Patriot, an armed walking tank, onto his plane without so much as a whiff of identification? No lift of the mask, no greeting. Nothing. Odd behaviour for a man just threatened by a terrorist.

Where was S.H.I.E.L.D. when this terrorist was going around the world generating near-nuclear blasts? Don't give me that nonsense about budget. The organisation has a million agents. You could've cast anyone. Mention them at least.

Still, I'm sure you have some B.S., non-factual, highly subjective reaching explanation for these. Some kind of masturbatory, pseudo-intellectual explanation for things that just don't make sense.

Didn't Mandarin claim to be of The Ten Rings? If not, there were ten rings on his fingers and in the logo for the propaganda vids. The Ten Rings existed since Iron Man 3. Was that all Killian, too?

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I thought Iron Man 2 was much better than this one was. I would go as far as to say that this movie was terrible. If you are there for the action and pew pew of repulsors then you will be entertained. I myself found the action scenes to be a little boring, but I've never liked overuse of CGI to begin with. The villain was so lame, it is impossible for me to put into words how bad this villain was. The story was non-existent. The Mandarin was butchered and Rhodey got reduced to like 5 minutes of screen time.

If you want to see cool armors flying around and shooting stuff, and people exploding then this is the movie for you. However, if you like some plot and some character development in your movies then you will be sorely disappointed.

I guess the trilogy curse strikes again.

Are you sure we saw the same movie? Rhodey had a LOT more time on screen than five minutes. If you want to see some character development you won't be happy with this film? It's quite literally one big steaming pile of character development with Tony moving on into a post Avengers universe.

Iron Man 2 wasn't particularly good to be honest. It was more or less an Avengers infomercial. It was the most Average of the three films.

Did you watch the movie? Because it seems you were watching an entirely different movie from me. There was no character development. Character development for the sake of moving the plot forward is pointless. Everything felt forced in the movie, everything was done for the sake of moving the plot. There was no reason behind most of things that happened in the movie. Also, the Iron Patriot had more screen time then Rhodey did. He only really appeared in the end of the film and that was like 5 minutes. There is no point in discussing this if you have your blinders on during the whole movie.

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7/10. It was weak amongst Marvel films.

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I don't get why everyone claims Avengers is the best Marvel movie. It looked like an amateur made it. Consisted of 3 parts: getting them together, the helicarrier and the city. For a movie over 2 hours long, it just seems awkward. The plot was really poor. I'm guessing they wrote a script in two days. But I would've loved it no matter what, because it's the first time we got different characters in one movie. Michael Bay could've made it and I still would've liked it. Which doesn't change the fact that the movie itself was poorly made. I just can't understand why no one sees that. It's not even in top 3 of Marvel movies

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Seriously, Iron Patriot....., ok Iron Patriot doesn't come out until way later during the Civil War. For those that don't know Iron Patriot was used by Norman Osborn (Green Goblin from Spider-Man). Pepper pots now has powers thanks to Extremis (I don't think this ever happens outside of this movie), so you think why would a bad guy want to give one of the good guys powers (either she died or she got powers, I'm sure it popped into his mind "ummmm what happens if she doesn't die, then she is going to have powers and she is going to kick my butt". Now I know that the they where trying to make a movie that could follow the Avengers but filling the movie with all this stuff all jumbled up and half-assed just annoyed the hell out of me. The forced comedy and the soundtrack which sucked at times was just an extra kick in the nuts. Oh and what the hell was that about at the end of the movie where he blows up all his armors. I know he was showing Pots that he is going to pay more attention to her and all that jazz, but he could have taken her out to dinner, go to a vacation, or something not blow up armors that he could use in the future to help people or w/e which are worth millions.

*** This was more of a rant that I had to get out so if you are going to criticize my grammar or w/e you can suck it. ***

Iron Patriot was fan-service. It wasn't meant to mean anything more than that. Pepper in the comics beings sporting the Rescue suit, however in this film her exposure to Extremis was to force Tony to work on it. She was never going to be able to kick his butt, it was debatable even if she would survive the process at all.

The armors were a direct representation of that anxiety he had in the film - more or less spending those sleepless nights building them. Him destroying them was a symbolic gesture of him getting over Avengers, namely him calling it 'clean slate'. The suits themselves have never particular mattered in terms of how costly they were to make.

I thought Iron Man 2 was much better than this one was. I would go as far as to say that this movie was terrible. If you are there for the action and pew pew of repulsors then you will be entertained. I myself found the action scenes to be a little boring, but I've never liked overuse of CGI to begin with. The villain was so lame, it is impossible for me to put into words how bad this villain was. The story was non-existent. The Mandarin was butchered and Rhodey got reduced to like 5 minutes of screen time.

If you want to see cool armors flying around and shooting stuff, and people exploding then this is the movie for you. However, if you like some plot and some character development in your movies then you will be sorely disappointed.

I guess the trilogy curse strikes again.

Are you sure we saw the same movie? Rhodey had a LOT more time on screen than five minutes. If you want to see some character development you won't be happy with this film? It's quite literally one big steaming pile of character development with Tony moving on into a post Avengers universe.

Iron Man 2 wasn't particularly good to be honest. It was more or less an Avengers infomercial. It was the most Average of the three films.

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@geno: People aren't giving many valid reasons. Majority of it is illogical complaints ore misunderstanding the plot. Majority of the complaints sounds like hate because people can't give valid reasons.

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I'm glad to see reasonable people speaking their mind about this movie. It's flawed, probably the most of all the Iron man films. Black checked all the heart and emotional resonance at the door with this effort. The amount of jokes in this movie was overkill, which often resulted in many of them being misplaced (one example is Tony making light hearted jokes about the mk. 42 immediately after he believes Pepper has fallen to her death). It's reasons like this that make IM3 feel hollow. The first 2 found the right balance of humor, heart and action.

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I thought Iron Man 2 was much better than this one was. I would go as far as to say that this movie was terrible. If you are there for the action and pew pew of repulsors then you will be entertained. I myself found the action scenes to be a little boring, but I've never liked overuse of CGI to begin with. The villain was so lame, it is impossible for me to put into words how bad this villain was. The story was non-existent. The Mandarin was butchered and Rhodey got reduced to like 5 minutes of screen time.

If you want to see cool armors flying around and shooting stuff, and people exploding then this is the movie for you. However, if you like some plot and some character development in your movies then you will be sorely disappointed.

I guess the trilogy curse strikes again.

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Just saw the movie, and I'll say I was initially disapointed. After reading other comments and hearing what G man had to say I let up a little but not much. I liked how they started the film, setting it up with the flashback. Loved the assault on Tony's house, the action was great. However, It didnt seem like we got a whole lot more action until the finale. Which seemed just like the last two IM films and the Avengers. Big battle at the end, seen it before. If I wanted to see a normal guy fight, I would watch a non-superhero type movie. That brings me to the villian, which was a total waste of a great, if not the best Iron Man villian. It would be like using the the Joker as just a small time thug in a Batman movie, while King Tut or Egg Head were the main villian. I hope I didnt give too much away, but it was a stupid move imo. I also was way disapointed in some of the effects. I want to be transported into the comic world, to make what I'm seeing believable, instead, I felt like I was watching an old claymation cartoon. Jerky movement and bad layering. I hate thinking, "that looks so fake" when the first IM blew me away with how good it looked.

All that complaining being said, it caused me to not enjoy it as much. I think I enjoyed IM2 at first watch more than 3. Maybe with a second watch, keeping in mind what G man thought of the film and his exlpaination of some of the sequences, I might enjoy it more. Over all I thought it was a good movie, i guess, I'm just on the fence. Really expected more. I guess thats my fault, when you go in with high expectations, its easier to be disapointed. It just seems that these movie makers would have a better idea about what comic fans want and should deliver that product. After all cbm's would not be such a money making force without the fans who love their individual favs. So, how about giving them what they love about the character and not ruining key aspects of their story.

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Nice reviews, chaps.

@g_man Your problem as regards the lack of other heroes in is film following the Avengers movies could apply to any solo hero's comic book, at any time since the early Sixties - yeah, Iron Man is in a team, as is Cap, the Thing and so on - by your logic, every issue of all of their comics should include help from their teammates, or explain just where they are. The point of a solo book is to spotlight, for the most part, a single hero - let's keep the team ups for the team books, and special occasions.

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Before I start I just want to say that I love Iron Man: the comics, the cartoon series, and the movies up to this point. This movie however was in my opinion under-par. To start off this was my movie going experience: Throughout the movie my friend was passing out and snoring all the time, there was an annoying lady laughing very loudly at every anything remotely resembling a joke/pun, and there were little kids talking all the time (this happened at one of the nice theaters in my city). Regardless I gave the movie as much attention as I could. At the end of the movie there was a girl who I asked what she thought of the movie and she said she loved it. When I asked her if she knew what the Extremis "virus" was about she said "no whats that". At that point I was like ...... ummm you know this is what Stark was fighting the whole time and gave those people the powers that they had.

Anyways, the movie had too much going on from explosions, too much CGI, multiple side stories which they tried to incorporate into the movie (I guess to try and make it more action packed). If you didn't read the Extremis story arc or watched it on Netflix or w/e then the movie lacked in explaining thoroughly what it was about or what it did. The whole Mandarin part of the movie I felt like they threw it under the bus. I'm not sure if the Mandarin will be able to to be used in the future after what they did to the character. The Iron Patriot thing just pissed me off completely. Seriously, Iron Patriot....., ok Iron Patriot doesn't come out until way later during the Civil War. For those that don't know Iron Patriot was used by Norman Osborn (Green Goblin from Spider-Man). Pepper pots now has powers thanks to Extremis (I don't think this ever happens outside of this movie), so you think why would a bad guy want to give one of the good guys powers (either she died or she got powers, I'm sure it popped into his mind "ummmm what happens if she doesn't die, then she is going to have powers and she is going to kick my butt". Now I know that the they where trying to make a movie that could follow the Avengers but filling the movie with all this stuff all jumbled up and half-assed just annoyed the hell out of me. The forced comedy and the soundtrack which sucked at times was just an extra kick in the nuts. Oh and what the hell was that about at the end of the movie where he blows up all his armors. I know he was showing Pots that he is going to pay more attention to her and all that jazz, but he could have taken her out to dinner, go to a vacation, or something not blow up armors that he could use in the future to help people or w/e which are worth millions.

*** This was more of a rant that I had to get out so if you are going to criticize my grammar or w/e you can suck it. ***

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@k4tzm4n: He wanted to have a hold on both the government and the terrorists, he'd control the government through one man and the "threat" through the other. AIM would profit from an endless war against an enemy they controlled through a government they controlled.

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I loved it. Iron Man 2 and The Avengers made Tony way too obnoxious. Iron Man 3 and Iron man had the perfect balance between comedy, seriousness, and obnoxiousness

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@geno: Very well said.

And if we're talking psychology, certainly the main reason for Tony's massive number of suits was that he used his engineering as a distraction from sleep or dealing with his issues. But when you consider the root cause of his PTSD in the first place was an alien invasion that the Earth was not prepared for, there is no way having an army to fend them off was not part of his thought process there.

But everyone has different tastes, and everyone sees things differently. Personally other than the last 5 minutes of DKR, I think it is a great movie, far superior to this movie which apes so much from it. You clearly don't agree, and that gap in perspective is not likely one we're going bridge.

Marvel Studios did the exact same thingwith Thor, when the ending to his film gave very little room for his return they told us he would in big text at the end. It's the same here for Tony, since it wasn't entirely clear if we would see him given the end of his film. Spider Man wasn't part of the Avengers and wasn't a Marvel Studios movie.

The problem is the majority of those suits didn't even appear to be designed for combat and quite honestly the slew of them available wouldn't have made a difference in Avengers given Stark's vastly superior suit (MK7) was hardly making a dent in those invading forces. If Stark had any intention of fighting off an alien invasion he would have been mass-producing the same unit drone-ified - you know something sensible, not a random slew of suits designed around rescue operations, space travel or what have you.

The issue with the DKR is the steaming pile of nonsensical plot points and plot holes that were a constant challenge to my intelligence as a viewer. The villain of that convoluted mess of a film couldn't seem keep his own back-story straight and had Bruce falling in love with the first person he's had sex with in years for no particular reason outside it was raining. Not exactly something I'd call brilliant even til those last five minutes when Bruce pulls a disappearing act avoid his reactor going boom and end up in Paris. You could have quite literally walked out after Alfred told us how the movie ends and called it a night.

But yeah, on that basis alone we have a pretty staggering gap to follow through with.

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Rhodes saved the President while Tony went to get Pepper. That's hardly nothing.

True, but it was also the result of Rhodes being captured that led to that situation in the first place. And with all the suits flying around, Tony could have easily commanded one to save the president. Basically, Rhodes' role felt very unnecessary and as the Iron Patriot, he was just anther running joke.

Tony did try doing that, the issue was it was attacked by an Extremis enhanced character quite literally after it left the ground. Given he could hardly keep the damn things on him that entire encounter, it's a safe bet Rhodes would be on his own from there.

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didn't find this film to be all that. Was entertaining, but in essence it boiled down to the action/special effects and some one liners. Didn't think much of the story

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@ man who has everything.Overrated is the word I use for most of the marvel films.

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I liked that Tony wasn;t in the suit for the entire movie to show that the armor doesn't make you a hero, it's who you are underneath it all. Similar to TDKR in my opinion. But I really loved this movie. PM me for in-depth debates, I'm in the mood. I'd definitely recommend this to any Tony fan.

The ending was sorta a let down. I don't like when superhero movies end with the hero hanging up his suit and armor and everything. The world still needs ya. I know the credits said Tony Stark will return, but still. I'm just complaining.

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Better than 2, but less of an impact than 1 for me. The suit eye candy was really great, plot twist was crazy. I'd give it a good 4/5. "Mandarin" was a better villain than whiplash anyways. :D I do have some gripes though, some of them are:

  • Kid helping Tony
  • Not much of Iron Patriot Action
  • Felt like a buddy cop movie in the end.
  • "Super-Pepper"
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@fiveletters said:

Am I the only person in the world who doesn't think The Avengers was all that? I've been disappointed by almost all of Marvel's movies really.

You are not alone.

Ditto. I don't know if you thought The Avengers was bad, or simply over-rated. I thought it was over-rated, but not bad. As far as Marvel Studios films, I'm about 50/50 on the ones I've seen. Really enjoyed the first Iron Man film, and liked CATFA a lot (though I seem to be in a minority there).

Iron Man III, I thought "had it's moments" and I don't think it was a waste of time and money, but I wasn't blown-away either.

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Rhodes saved the President while Tony went to get Pepper. That's hardly nothing.

True, but it was also the result of Rhodes being captured that led to that situation in the first place. And with all the suits flying around, Tony could have easily commanded one to save the president. Basically, Rhodes' role felt very unnecessary and as the Iron Patriot, he was just anther running joke.

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@tyrannotaur and k4tzm4n: no I actually liked iron man 2. You two are the only other people people that have actually liked it. In the internet discussions I've followed which are many comments towards Iron Man 2 are negative.

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TSo I finally saw the movie tonight and I just have to say that all the haters of this movie should share a cell with the Joker in Arkham Asylum cause you all are just as loonie as he is. This movie is great although the twist did piss me off still everything else was great. I would say that it is the best of the iron man trilogy although the iron man movies will never beat the Thor or Captain America movies. It was a great start to Phase 2 and I hope Thor: The Dark World, Captain America: The Winter Soldier' and Guardians is just as good if not better

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Am I the only person in the world who doesn't think The Avengers was all that? I've been disappointed by almost all of Marvel's movies really.

You are not alone.

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@geno: Very well said.

The issue is we did. The Government was threatening to take his suits in the last feature, so why would a universal self-destruct protocol so out of the loop when he's sporting dozens more suits? It's completely sound. He didn't build those suits to fight alien armies, he built them because he couldn't sleep at night - if he wanted to fight off armies with drones he would have just been manufacturing the same suit over and over and over. He was feeding his demons with each and every one of those he constructed. It's all symbolism.

It's a good thing someone did see the Dark Knight Rises - it's an excellent example of what not to do with a third installment. The last minutes of the film before he credits was Tony acknowledged himself as Iron Man - even without the suit and after the credits in BIG letters "Tony Stark will return" - not Iron Man. Not much of an out.

It was staged, as far as he was concerned he never killed anyone so the man on the floor probably wasn't anyone that wasn't even killed. I don't have any issues with anyone being disappointed with the Mandarin, since that's a valid complaint for die-hard fans - but from my seat it was a clever twist in terms of story telling very well tailored to the perceptions of what we see as being a terrorist. For now the Mandarin that was revealed is the supposed one, whether or not we'll see the legitimate leader of the 10 rings is up in the air, but there is certainly enough adventures to be had.

Scenes in a film are shot months to a year prior to a film hitting theaters, writing a script takes place even earlier on. Words on a black background at the end of a movie can be mocked up in a week. The fact that they needed to say Tony Stark would be back leads me to think that they made that deal with Downey at a point which it was too late to go back and change things. If that's not the case, then it's clear that Marvel realized that they ending gave people the wrong idea, and felt the need to throw in a correction. I never saw Captain America will return, or The Avengers will return, or Spider-Man will return...because it's already implied.

And if we're talking psychology, certainly the main reason for Tony's massive number of suits was that he used his engineering as a distraction from sleep or dealing with his issues. But when you consider the root cause of his PTSD in the first place was an alien invasion that the Earth was not prepared for, there is no way having an army to fend them off was not part of his thought process there.

But everyone has different tastes, and everyone sees things differently. Personally other than the last 5 minutes of DKR, I think it is a great movie, far superior to this movie which apes so much from it. You clearly don't agree, and that gap in perspective is not likely one we're going bridge.

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@geno said:

@nappystr8 said:

@isaac_clarke: And after knowing people were so mad at them casting non-Chinese actor Kingsley as Mandarin in the first place: to reveal that 'whitest man in the world' Guy Pearce with his lame bro style dragon chest tats is the 'REAL' Mandarin is preposterous.

Indeed. It seems that after all of Shane Black's preaching of how the Mandarin was a racist caricature, rather than fixing it as the comics did by giving him a somewhat sympathetic cause, he chose to 1) Make him into an equally racist middle eastern caricature and 2) Showing that ultimately, the Mandarin - one of the few men in the world able to push Iron Man to the verge of destruction, can be none other than another white guy. So I don't know what's a more racist statement: the fact that people of color are evil, or that people of color are useless. And as a minority, I find this movie to be offensive on both accounts not only due to what they did to the Mandarin, but also Rhodes doing virtually nothing aside from proving to the world how great 'Merica is and getting captured.

The entire point was to turn upside down the preconceived notions of terrorism the audience has. It has less to do with being racist and more to do with playing on the audience itself. Rhodes saved the President while Tony went to get Pepper. That's hardly nothing.

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@isaac_clarke: If I had seen the movie that you have seen I would have loved it.

Not just Tony Stark from the comics, but Tony Stark from Iron Man 1 & 2, and The Avengers. Despite the fact that a universal self destruct switch is nothing a reasonable person would have implemented in the first place, Tony built that army for a reason, alien armies that are very much still a threat. What I take from the ending of this movie is two fold: 1. Somebody saw The Dark Knight Rises. 2. Robert Downey Jr.'s contract is up and they wanted to leave themselves with an out if they can't get him back...which of course they will, and then the last 5 minutes of this film are meaningless.

I understand your point on Mandarin. And I agree that the idea behind it was a really good one. But when we find out that character's true self, it is played completely on one-note that was frankly not nearly as entertaining as they must have thought it was. Not to mention that it would be completely out of character for Ben Kingsley to have murdered and oil executive. Clearly he was a scumbag that had no problem helping terrorists, but the free love character presented on screen would never have pulled the trigger.

And for anyone who is a fan of Iron Man from the comics knows what a big deal the Mandarin is. He is the arch villain. He is powerful enough to face the Avengers single-handedly, and he is a brilliant tactician. To build that character up so much leading up to the film, and then to change that character so fundamentally in order serve a plot twist (just like with Maya Hansen) could never have been expected to be anything other than a let down. There are other characters that could have served this purpose, Mandarin is not one of them. And then to ham it up as much as they did in the reveal scene, is just additional proof that the team behind this film doesn't have any respect for the character at all. And after knowing people were so mad at them casting non-Chinese actor Kingsley as Mandarin in the first place: to reveal that 'whitest man in the world' Guy Pearce with his lame bro style dragon chest tats is the 'REAL' Mandarin is preposterous.

The issue is we did. The Government was threatening to take his suits in the last feature, so why would a universal self-destruct protocol so out of the loop when he's sporting dozens more suits? It's completely sound. He didn't build those suits to fight alien armies, he built them because he couldn't sleep at night - if he wanted to fight off armies with drones he would have just been manufacturing the same suit over and over and over. He was feeding his demons with each and every one of those he constructed. It's all symbolism.

It's a good thing someone did see the Dark Knight Rises - it's an excellent example of what not to do with a third installment. The last minutes of the film before he credits was Tony acknowledged himself as Iron Man - even without the suit and after the credits in BIG letters "Tony Stark will return" - not Iron Man. Not much of an out.

It was staged, as far as he was concerned he never killed anyone so the man on the floor probably wasn't anyone that wasn't even killed. I don't have any issues with anyone being disappointed with the Mandarin, since that's a valid complaint for die-hard fans - but from my seat it was a clever twist in terms of story telling very well tailored to the perceptions of what we see as being a terrorist. For now the Mandarin that was revealed is the supposed one, whether or not we'll see the legitimate leader of the 10 rings is up in the air, but there is certainly enough adventures to be had.

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@isaac_clarke: And after knowing people were so mad at them casting non-Chinese actor Kingsley as Mandarin in the first place: to reveal that 'whitest man in the world' Guy Pearce with his lame bro style dragon chest tats is the 'REAL' Mandarin is preposterous.

Indeed. It seems that after all of Shane Black's preaching of how the Mandarin was a racist caricature, rather than fixing it as the comics did by giving him a somewhat sympathetic cause, he chose to 1) Make him into an equally racist middle eastern caricature and 2) Showing that ultimately, the Mandarin - one of the few men in the world able to push Iron Man to the verge of destruction, can be none other than another white guy. So I don't know what's a more racist statement: the fact that people of color are evil, or that people of color are useless. And as a minority, I find this movie to be offensive on both accounts not only due to what they did to the Mandarin, but also Rhodes doing virtually nothing aside from proving to the world how great 'Merica is and getting captured.

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@tyrannotaur:

And everyone hates Iron Man 2

Who's "everyone"? Is it just you? I liked Iron Man 2. Not as good as Iron Man but still a good movie.

Agreed. I feel like that movie gets far more hate than it warrants.

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@isaac_clarke: If I had seen the movie that you have seen I would have loved it.

Tony Stark would never get rid of his Iron Man suits. It could be argued that in the heat of the moment, just finding out that Pepper wasn't dead, he might do something overly impulsive, but in the weeks to follow, he would have already been back to work on mark 43. Not just Tony Stark from the comics, but Tony Stark from Iron Man 1 & 2, and The Avengers. Despite the fact that a universal self destruct switch is nothing a reasonable person would have implemented in the first place, Tony built that army for a reason, alien armies that are very much still a threat. What I take from the ending of this movie is two fold: 1. Somebody saw The Dark Knight Rises. 2. Robert Downey Jr.'s contract is up and they wanted to leave themselves with an out if they can't get him back...which of course they will, and then the last 5 minutes of this film are meaningless.

I understand your point on Mandarin. And I agree that the idea behind it was a really good one. But when we find out that character's true self, it is played completely on one-note that was frankly not nearly as entertaining as they must have thought it was. Not to mention that it would be completely out of character for Ben Kingsley to have murdered and oil executive. Clearly he was a scumbag that had no problem helping terrorists, but the free love character presented on screen would never have pulled the trigger.

And for anyone who is a fan of Iron Man from the comics knows what a big deal the Mandarin is. He is the arch villain. He is powerful enough to face the Avengers single-handedly, and he is a brilliant tactician. To build that character up so much leading up to the film, and then to change that character so fundamentally in order serve a plot twist (just like with Maya Hansen) could never have been expected to be anything other than a let down. There are other characters that could have served this purpose, Mandarin is not one of them. And then to ham it up as much as they did in the reveal scene, is just additional proof that the team behind this film doesn't have any respect for the character at all. And after knowing people were so mad at them casting non-Chinese actor Kingsley as Mandarin in the first place: to reveal that 'whitest man in the world' Guy Pearce with his lame bro style dragon chest tats is the 'REAL' Mandarin is preposterous.

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@thetimestreamer: Can you not read my whole comment? Hahaa, no? I didn't say the only reason I didn't like it was cause not enough War Machine. I thought he had a much bigger part in the second one & then they did kinda tease more with the whole Iron Patriot thing. Man just can't have an opinion apparently. Wow.

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I still don't understand why people expect everything to be so perfect and just what they wanted. If you liked it, cool. If you didn't, that's okay too.

As long as you aren't bashful and disrespectful to other people's work. Why? Because you couldn't honestly do half the things they did in that movie. Even if you didn't like the end result, appreciate the fucking effort. They did what they believed to be their best, and you are no one to tell them that it wasn't.

The world doesn't revolve around pleasing you. So just do something else instead of "hating" it so much.

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And everyone hates Iron Man 2

Who's "everyone"? Is it just you? I liked Iron Man 2. Not as good as Iron Man but still a good movie.

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@vandinejd_1991: I was not shocked at all by Talia, being the main villian in batman, and I feel like the execution of the reveal , was done better in Iron man, I did not see that coming. I also am not sure why everyone says they got rid of the Mandarin and stuff like that ... the Mandarin was the Villian it was just Guy Pierces character as oppose to Ben Kingsley .

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@nappystr8 said:

I really didn't expect to be on the side of the haters with this one, but I think this movie was a notable failure. The action and comedy are great, and for anyone just looking for a dumb popcorn flick, this comes with a high recommendation. But for anyone who actually cares about these characters or expects a well developed story, this was a downright embarrassment. Easily the worst Marvel Studios film, and just about on par (but still a few notches above) Spider-Man 3.

Considering how character driven this narrative was, I wouldn't have a clue why people that give a damn about the characters wouldn't enjoy it.

Every single character in the movie was one dimensional other than Tony Stark. Pepper has the exact same lines she's had for two movies (although it is cool she got to flex some muscle), Happy Hogan is a bumbling fool and apparently a fascist too, Ben Kingsley's Mandarin (who is Tony Stark's greatest adversary) is as stereotypical as you can get (although not how one might have guessed), Killian is a mustache twirling villain who's sole motivation is revenge, Maya Hansen's character is completey warped simply for the purposes of a plot twist. The only characters that comes out of this movie looking good are the kid and James Rhodes, and even that is just as himself and not as War Machine or Iron Patriot.

Tony Stark started out the film with a great character driven piece about suffering PTSD, which they drop halfway through the movie when he inexplicably gets over it because it's no longer convenient to the story (which is a slap in the face to anyone who suffers PTSD). And then they end the movie with him doing something that is completely out of character for Tony Stark.

In what ways are they all one-dimensional? Happy is the bumbling fool, that's his character role - and that generally why he almost always has the shortest amount of screen-time in the cast. That was the entire point of Ben Kingsley's Mandarin - he was supposed to be this embodiment of what we as a society view as the "bad guy" - instead we as an audience have our head turned upside down when he's not only living in Malibu, but just a pawn in the larger scheme being hosted by the real 'Mandarin.'

Killian wasn't looking for revenge at all; the only reason he attacked Tony was because he challenged the Mandarin on television. His plan revolved around Iron Patriot, the President and his self-made terrorist. He was trying to get Tony on-board to actually work for him. How was her character warped? She was still tossing her morality down the toilet just to get her research notice - the only change is here is that she is revealed to have some measure of soul when she threatens to kill her-self for Tony's release after he basically shoves in her face what she's become.

The anxiety was a result of his center being thrown out of whack from the events of Avengers. He tried working through it by building suit after suit, but it wasn't until the kid reminds him of who he is that he can finally re-center himself. The entire film is more or less Tony Stark, as well as the world, coming to terms with the events Avengers. The triggering of "clean slate" was a symbolic method of showing him moving past it, as well as the removal of the arc-reactor / metal in his chest having him grown as a character. What was out of character for him?

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my only real complaint was the after credit scene. it was a little lacking. most of the other things that i didnt like (there are very few) i can get past, but that last scene jus didnt get me hyped like Cap, Thor, and Hulk did

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I'm so baffled by the massive, monumental effort to justify what a terrible movie this is.

I mean, if you came out of the film liking it, that's cool. Just don't sit there trying to justify the plot holes or them making a mockery of a great villain.

You're points are conflicting here. One's complaining about the effort by people to say it's a bad film, the other is chastising those who are in the opposite camp. The issue I have is the lack of plot holes being mentioned and I'm personally glad the Mandarin ended up being the non-middle eastern bad guy.

The only worthwhile one that comes to mind pertains to Iron Patriot - outside that I'm running dry.

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really want to see at cinema's wondering is it worth it heard bad stuff???

Look at spoiler-free reviews, coming to comment section on the internet isn't the best place.

They didn't, though.

They made him a joke. They didn't make him anything. It's inexcusable. Stop trying to overcomplicate it. If you liked what they did, that's cool, but let's stop acting like they acting like they didn't make a mockery of I.M.'s greatest villain.

He didn't need to destroy his suits. Pepper said she understands his need for them. Logically they should've worked on a compromise, but it just looks more spectacular if he does all that and explodes them.

The end scene was anti-climactic. The fight with the suits felt like nothing to me. "Anxiety" isn't comedically grabbing your chest before you're calmed down by a small child. It kept insisting we take the serious parts with weight, but I don't see any reason I should considering they can't stick to it. Pepper was the one thing grounding Tony in reality, and she becomes a souped-up meta-human.

I'm ok with people praising it. I just don't understand why because I thought it was obviously terrible. You seem intent on pointing out why disagreements are wrong (Which they aren't) rather than expressing why you disagree.

The way the post was written had a conflicting sense of what you were saying. I had to pause and give it some though as to which camp you were talking to, I'd read it again if I were you to get a better idea of why that might be the case.

The joke was that Ben Kingsely Mandarin wasn't actually the Mandarin, instead Killian was. It isn't very complicated when he's saying "I am the Mandarin" in the movie - the only shift being instead of a more stereo-typical bad-guy on the middle-eastern appearance or location - we had a rather clever switch done. There isn't anything complicated about it.

The Suits were quite literally the physical embodiment of his anxiety from Avengers. Him blowing them up was clear symbolism of him letting go and moving past it / moving forward.

Which end scene? I'm not sure what you were supposed to feel, I thought it was rather interesting to watch. You're complaining about his acting of having those anxiety attacks - which quite honestly weren't comedic in depiction. Pepper was injected with Extremis, I honestly don't see how this is going to have any significant impact on her character being more of a support role in any future adventures.

I'm content on understanding people's grievances or clearing up points of confusion. The fact so many people didn't get that he injects himself with Extremis at the end film despite it being clearly said is a blinding example of this.

You totally fine with it being praised, despite it being obviously terrible. There's a difference between disagreements and people simply not understanding what's going on in a particular scene - whether because it was a late night or they missed it for-whatever reason. Wouldn't me telling them where they were wrong be the "why"? So when are you going to mention a plot-hole?

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Am I the only person in the world who doesn't think The Avengers was all that? I've been disappointed by almost all of Marvel's movies really.

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@isaac_clarke said:

@nappystr8 said:

I really didn't expect to be on the side of the haters with this one, but I think this movie was a notable failure. The action and comedy are great, and for anyone just looking for a dumb popcorn flick, this comes with a high recommendation. But for anyone who actually cares about these characters or expects a well developed story, this was a downright embarrassment. Easily the worst Marvel Studios film, and just about on par (but still a few notches above) Spider-Man 3.

Considering how character driven this narrative was, I wouldn't have a clue why people that give a damn about the characters wouldn't enjoy it.

Every single character in the movie was one dimensional other than Tony Stark. Pepper has the exact same lines she's had for two movies (although it is cool she got to flex some muscle), Happy Hogan is a bumbling fool and apparently a fascist too, Ben Kingsley's Mandarin (who is Tony Stark's greatest adversary) is as stereotypical as you can get (although not how one might have guessed), Killian is a mustache twirling villain who's sole motivation is revenge, Maya Hansen's character is completey warped simply for the purposes of a plot twist. The only characters that comes out of this movie looking good are the kid and James Rhodes, and even that is just as himself and not as War Machine or Iron Patriot.

Tony Stark started out the film with a great character driven piece about suffering PTSD, which they drop halfway through the movie when he inexplicably gets over it because it's no longer convenient to the story (which is a slap in the face to anyone who suffers PTSD). And then they end the movie with him doing something that is completely out of character for Tony Stark.

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@the_mast said:

I'm so baffled by the massive, monumental effort to justify what a terrible movie this is.

I mean, if you came out of the film liking it, that's cool. Just don't sit there trying to justify the plot holes or them making a mockery of a great villain.

You're points are conflicting here. One's complaining about the effort by people to say it's a bad film, the other is chastising those who are in the opposite camp. The issue I have is the lack of plot holes being mentioned and I'm personally glad the Mandarin ended up being the non-middle eastern bad guy.

The only worthwhile one that comes to mind pertains to Iron Patriot - outside that I'm running dry.

@boosterwing700 said:

really want to see at cinema's wondering is it worth it heard bad stuff???

Look at spoiler-free reviews, coming to comment section on the internet isn't the best place.

They didn't, though.

They made him a joke. They didn't make him anything. It's inexcusable. Stop trying to overcomplicate it. If you liked what they did, that's cool, but let's stop acting like they acting like they didn't make a mockery of I.M.'s greatest villain.

He didn't need to destroy his suits. Pepper said she understands his need for them. Logically they should've worked on a compromise, but it just looks more spectacular if he does all that and explodes them.

The end scene was anti-climactic. The fight with the suits felt like nothing to me. "Anxiety" isn't comedically grabbing your chest before you're calmed down by a small child. It kept insisting we take the serious parts with weight, but I don't see any reason I should considering they can't stick to it. Pepper was the one thing grounding Tony in reality, and she becomes a souped-up meta-human.

I'm ok with people praising it. I just don't understand why because I thought it was obviously terrible. You seem intent on pointing out why disagreements are wrong (Which they aren't) rather than expressing why you disagree.

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No it wasn't!!! At least Bane was still Bane in the movie. He just worked for Talia instead of being the head honcho. Nolan didn't completely scrap Bane like Black scrapped the Mandarin. That I can give him credit for.

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@thehulk said:

Hulk have to say though, Hulk thought that Pepper would embrace becoming a superhuman and then kill the Mandarin. Hulk would if Hulk were Pepper. She should think of the perks.

Anyone agree with Hulk?