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Forever Evil #7 - Crisis of Self

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After a long delay, the finale of FOREVER EVIL is here.

The Good

FOREVER EVIL #7 does plenty of things well, even though there was a delay between this and the last issue. It provides a fun, action-packed issue that leaves readers in suspense. Sure, by the end of the issue, you're pretty sure everything is going to go back to normal, or some relative form of normal, but there's twists and turns along the way to keep the reader interested and invested in the future of DC, including that insane final page.

The book is very Lex Luthor-centric and almost feels like a jumping off point for that character to have his own book. Luthor is extremely fleshed out here through his actions and the narrative driven by his inner-monologue. As long as you have this in your mind, going in, the book moves much smoother and there's no room for confusion.

As far as fanboyism go, there's a TON of stuff to be excited over. First and foremost, it's the first appearance of Ted Kord, who is wearing a very familiar shirt. This leads to many possibilities in the future, including the return of Blue & Gold. That would be pretty dang awesome. The final page marks the return of another character who could lead the DCU into a Crisis. Finally, Luthor knows who Batman is. Again, this has tons of possibilities in the future and could make for some very interesting storytelling.

The art through this book is just as you'd expect: great to look at and tells the story well, visually. Artist David Finch, inker Richard Friend, and colorist Sonia Oback do a fine job at keeping each panel easy to read, clear, and great to look at. Friend's inks are light and not over-powering, and he gets some great depth and texture in things like capes and faces. Finch normally puts out some great work and this is more of the same. He puts out some great art here.

The Bad

FOREVER EVIL has done a fantastic job at shifting who Captain Cold is, along with some other villains, and by the end of this, everything just goes to normal for them. The idea that these "villains" came together to save the world was a really moving part of this story, but after all is said and done, they just go back to being criminals, especially Captain Cold? (A villain with a code or law who could easily become a hero) It seems like all that there was a lot of build-up and great character development with these guys that ultimately gets thrown away, except for Lex Luthor.

This book really should be called LEX LUTHOR because that's who Johns chose to revolve this book around, and that's fine, but in doing so, he makes other characters look like chumps, which is very out of character for said characters.... mainly Batman. He pick-pockets Batman during the issue. It's a small, but unbelievable point.

Dick says "where?" when Owlman is telling Dick he's not giving up on being a team. It makes no sense. This happens towards the beginning of the issue and is NEVER tied up. Considering that Dick being kidnapped and demasked was a MAJOR part of this storyline, you'd think their would be more closure with this, right?

This next paragraph has no barring on the final rating of the book. Because of the long delay for this issue and because a few books are already in post-FE mode, there were a lot of spoilers for readers, like Lex Luthor being a part of the Justice League, and solicits spoiling what happens to Dick Grayson. There are plenty of surprises aside from that, so don't worry.

The Verdict

There's a lot about FOREVER EVIL that was disappointing, even within this delayed issue, but all-in-all, FOREVER EVIL #7 delivers an action-packed, fun issue that does a fine job at telling an over-arcing story. It's a really fun book that will get readers excited about the future of the DCU, but you cannot forget the fact that it leaves loose ends dangling in the wind, especially Dick Grayson. The art is fantastic and the Luthor-driven narrative is well written, but it feels like there's a lot of spite in the writing towards the Bat-characters of the DC Universe. Overall, I recommend this issue though. It is a very fun book with some big problems.

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Black Manta & Sinestro going back to their villainous ways makes sense. But I'd like to see Captain Cold become a full time hero.

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@jayc1324 said:

Why do they keep having people find out Batman's identity?

Because his identity is poorly concealed :-P

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@watsonian: I'm sure @inferiorego and the rest of us will miss you dearly.

He should check out my new review site "I agree with whatever everyone else thinks.com" for up-to-date news and opinions about whatever you think.

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Too much happens in too short a space of time.

Its weird because most of Forever Evil felt slow and empty.

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"This book really should be called LEX LUTHOR because that's who Johns chose to revolve this book around, and that's fine, but in doing so, he makes other characters look like chumps, which is very out of character for said characters.... mainly Batman. He pick-pockets Batman during the issue. It's a small, but unbelievable point."

Ugh...

Just when I thought Johns was done writing Batman into the ground for the sake of "developing" Luthor.

I cannot help viewing this as anything but bad news for Justice League going forward. I will be dropping the book.

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I was surprised by the score, until I read the review, and I completely agree with everything said. I really enjoyed the issue, and enjoyed it better than any issue this week. However, you're right, and I agree with the 3/5 now. Great review!

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I am trying to be objective about the delays and the eventual spoilers that came as a result, but the Nighwing plot , and Lex being the star of the book in 2 issues just seemed sloppy and rushed and took away from the story.

I need to sit down a read this from beginning to end to get a better review I think….

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I would give this a four. Three stars make it seem just like an average book, but lex luthor was great and this was very important for DC universe as a whole.

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DC should do events like Marvel. Bi-weekly. This took soo long too end.

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@themagicstik: I do believe it is a mistake on their part... Sinestro would have had no problem against pretty much the whole team with the Parallax entity.

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When Dick says "where?" I think it's because Owlman disappears into the smoke he created. It looked tied up in the scene; Owlman tells Dick what he wants and disappears which they address later

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@mrgreenlantern said:

@ultimatesmfan: agree ! I love batman but cmon guys I've read alot of Johns batman and you honestly cant say he writes him like a fool...take off those hatershades and enjoy it for what it is .

edit : if anything he just downplays the entire batman is pretty much invincible bs by making him more HUMAN, notice his reaction to dicks apparent death? that is the reaction of a father losing his son before his very eyes. he was seconds away from killing luthor, to paraphrase lex "everything went black"

Agreed, just read through the review again and i noticed apparently Batman getting pick-pocketed is unbelievable. I'm so happy that Geoff Johns writes a human batman and not batgod, I actually loved batman's vulnerability in that scene.Also it is Lex flippin Luthor!! There is a reason he's given Freakin Superman such grief for so many years, plus he always knows when to make his move ;) About time he got the respect he deserves. When he steps on Atomica Holy Sh*t that was Awesome!!

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@shadowhuntr: I like to think Sinestro was pretty OP during this Forever Evil Arc. He bust down a wall then chops off power rings arm afterwards killing him, hell this issue he goes toe 2 toe against mazahs while the crime syndicate cowers in fear . Sinestro was the unsung hero of this story.

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@jayc1324 said:

Why do they keep having people find out Batman's identity?

Because it's not hard to figure out?

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@mrgreenlantern: I disagree. He was nerfed for Parallax...he was just normal Sinestro if anything. In issue 6 he blasts Ultraman and couldn't one-shot him and against Mazahs, he should have been able to easily beat him due to Parallax...instead he double teamed with Black Adam and it didn't work out so well.

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I give it a 9/10!

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@frozen: The same can be said for a bunch of other superheroes, and superman doesn't even wear a mask. People shouldn't just be able to figure out identities so easily, or else there's no point to having one. First everyone knows dick's identity, now batman too...

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Couldn't disagree more about the rating and review this received. I thought this issue (and the series in general) has been fantastic. Yes the delay and release of 'aftermath' titles had been an unfortunate pain in the backside but sh*t happens and this event has been amazing from start to finish. Rich character development, an engaging yet simple premise (not an overtly convoluted plot like Infinity had) and consistently fantastic art.

I'm a relatively new user to this site (about a year) but it's becoming very apparent that DC is generally not as well favoured as much as the other big publisher, But hey, it's all subjective. That's why forums and comments sections exist.

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Atomics, meet Lex Luthor's foot

We have been dooped, thinking it was Darksied this whole time, and it turns out to be Anti-Monitor, sneaky, sneak, Johns

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Whenever I see a review on Comicvine that's less than 4 stars

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Don't know if I missed something but has DC already explained where Element Woman and Vibe are?

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Forever Evil was the first big comic event I'd read in a good while and man it reminds me why I genrally don't like big crossovers or events. They are the equivalent of Blockbuster cinema and like the anlogy often lack any sense of character and are predominatly plot driven so big action pieces can occur.

I liked the bookending by Luthor and maybe this reads better as a collected volume but overall Forever Evil feels like it could've been 5 issues instead of 7.

At least it's finally over.

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@ultimatesmfan: People expect batman outsmart villains like Luther with ease. They expect villains like Black Adam, Parallax Sinestro to blindly follow Batman and because they have no sense of leadership compared to batman

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I swear DC fans have grown entirely too sensitive the less books they sell lmao. I would have given this a 4/5, this really was one of my favorite DC events in forever. I can't take away from the quality of the book because it was late.

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Predicted a 2 star review from Comic Vine with my friend. Can't believe it got 3.

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Honestly, as Parallax, I expected more from Sinestro, but Black Adamn moving I'm assuming half of the moon was pretty cool for him. Overall, this was a solid issue, I'd give it a 4.

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I liked other than that thing Lex did for that person at the end didn't impact me the way they wanted it to.

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@inferiorengo Can you explain more about the thing you wrote about when Dick asks "Where?" because I've looked back through the book and I don't see it anywhere.

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Superwoman was pretty much sidelined as always, she didn't do anything, she threw a punch and lost in the most pathetic way possible, Johns took her immediately out of the scene. All she's good for is give powerful man powerful babies.

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I think batman may have feelings for wonder woman but I don't think we'll see anything from that. I know some batman fans would like to see them getting together but I really don't see them working out other than in the jlu series.

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The Luthor stuff was gold, the rest just alright.

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You give the COMPLETELY HORRIBLE Justice League United 5 stars and only give this 3? Why do I come to this shit site?

I'm out.

Wow hold up are we allowed to curse on this website? I've been censoring since i assumed many words equal banned but if it was more on the line of users choosing to censor to be kind to people who don't like curse but we actually are allowed to curse.....what i'm asking is can i curse withotu censoring on here?

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All the stuff with Lex was done quite well, but yeah, everything outside of that was kind of poor. Dick Grayson's whole situation with getting his identity exposed and having to pretend to be dead (it looked like all the Justice League plus Lex and Catwoman see him alive and well), the rest of the villains aside from Lex didn't get much attention, Batman not doing much, Catwoman also not doing much and just being "there" most of the time, how Earth-3 Luthor was used and quickly done away with, and how really resolving the CSA characters stories, namely Owlman. He sort of just appeared in a few panels then disappeared.

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@watsonian said:

You give the COMPLETELY HORRIBLE Justice League United 5 stars and only give this 3? Why do I come to this shit site?

I'm out.

Wow hold up are we allowed to curse on this website? I've been censoring since i assumed many words equal banned but if it was more on the line of users choosing to censor to be kind to people who don't like curse but we actually are allowed to curse.....what i'm asking is can i curse withotu censoring on here?

No.

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seriously though why did they have to hint at that WW/BM thing come on man worse since brice acted like an ass to selina too but now this. Now i guess people get why superman was ready to kill batman for taking her back in Trinity war still messed up though.

Man Superwoman gets around though did not see Alexander Luthor Sr being the father coming, but i sshould have at least expected it. Shame it ended and we didn't get her origin i guess that will be for another say.

Anti Monitor showed up epic maybe Prime will make his new 52 debut soon as well.

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@saren said:

I really enjoyed this issue. I had literally zero expectations but there was a big grin on my face every time I flipped the page. Yeah, you kind of have to take anything Bat-related Johns does with a grain of salt, but this was a wonderful ode to Sex Luthor.

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The scene with Luthor killing you know who was epic. I also enjoyed the fight scenes in this book. This whole issue was great to me 4.5/ 5

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@primebonnick: That's what I'm saying, wherever Anti-Monitor is, Prime isn't far behind. My boy is coming back, hopefully.

You kind of spoiled it though, just saying.

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The only thing this made me want to do was read Azarello's Lex Luthor: Man of Steel as well as the more recent Black Ring by Paul Cornell.

I have long posted about the spiteful and petty portrayal of Batman, Green Arrow, and Steve Trevor in both Justice titles. This made it even more plain how much Geoff despises the characters in the Bat family. So much of how he wrote Batman seemed gross and ill intended. If I wanted to read a character be this emasculated I would read up on the Cornell Wolverine run. The idiot anti science aside on how blocking out the moon with the sun is something that even fifth graders would know that would kill everyone on earth in a few days due to the reduction of infrared sun rays from reaching the earth. Or the exponential increase in tidal forces as the moon was pulled closer to the earth due to GRAVITY.

My biggest smh moment is that Black Adam's lightning turns off ALL superpowers now. Not just the powers of Captain Marvel of earth 3. But Johnny Quick, Bizarro, Superwoman, and Deathstorm as well. How are they all connected to one single off switch, PIS.

I love a good Lex Luthor story that makes him smart. This is not a smart Lex Luthor. This is Lex written as a slumming Silver Age Batman. While Batman plays the irresponsible village idiot man child with too much spare time and no brain.

When a master thief like Catwoman has had repeated problems stealing from Bats, Lex does it with utter ease...

And Geoff wankers say it is not spite. I read his Rebirth. I read his Countdown to IC. I have read how he butchered dozens of characters that far better writers flat out ignored, to DC's ecomomic benefit. This will be the last time I ever read something he writes. And if his spite is truly great, I will just do what smart fans of characters he is ruining have started to do, give up and go to Marvel. Where characters inspired by DC stalwarts are written competently on team titles.

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In all fairness, Capt. Cold didn't return to being a criminal. Luther was just pontificating about what he thinks the anti-heroes would do now that it is over. Even in JL 30 they tease that he is still uncertain of what path he'll go down.

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Just read it, LOVED IT.

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This issue was great imo.

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My biggest complaint about Geoff John's writing is he can only ever focus on one person, even in a team book.

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It was good. I'm mainly just glad that it's done. I kinda wish that DC would take the Marvel approach to events and bang them out quicker, like Infinity.

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@jonny_anonymous said:

So is Batman also in love with Wonder Woman now?

It is kind of implied...

Well at least it's not returned. Serves him right after the way he was in the JL animated series

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@saren said:

Also this panel had me laughing out loud for an inappropriately long time:

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Awwww, you'll get them next time Ultraman.

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@squalleon said:

@jonny_anonymous said:

So is Batman also in love with Wonder Woman now?

It is kind of implied...

Well at least it's not returned. Serves him right after the way he was in the JL animated series

You say this like Wonder Woman isn't going to leave Clark for Bruce.

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@saren said:


Well at least it's not returned. Serves him right after the way he was in the JL animated series

You say this like Wonder Woman isn't going to leave Clark for Bruce.

Sh-she won't. Clark and Diana forever