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Daredevil #25 Review

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Has Daredevil met his match in Ikari?

The Good

If you've been following this series from at least its halfway point then you might feel as if this is the moment you have been anticipating. Matt is usually one step ahead of the game and the people around him, but not this time. The culmination of several issues lead up to this moment: the moment where Daredevil questions whether he really is one of a kind, whether he truly is a solid fighter, and whether or not he may have actually met his match. The story opens with Daredevil's interrogation of another character and moves quickly into an introduction to this new adversary. There are certain details (like the robe, for example) that are particularly striking, and very early on readers may definitely get the sense that there is someone else behind all of this from the beginning and that the adversary we see here isn't the one in control. By the time you reach the end of the issue it becomes obvious that here are bigger problems in store for Matt and things will only get worse before they get better, and that's fascinating.

If you are looking for action then look no further than this issue. This comic is absolutely jam-packed with non-stop action that will leave you guessing and rooting for Matt, and this is one of the few times that you may actually find yourself wondering whether or not the character will actually come out alive. The lead up to the final moments of this comic are totally overwhelming in the sense that they will leave you curious, asking yourself whether this is really the end of Matt Murdock and even more interested in the identity of the individual behind his torture. The result is very cool.

Artist Chris Samnee does a phenomenal job with the panel layout of this issue, capturing each and every strike, punch, grip and fighting stance in his panels. The execution of the action scenes in this comic are brilliant in the way that they capture every moment and as a result will really draw you into the story. The result is fantastic. This is an amazing issue.

The Bad

Nothing bad here, this is definitely an issue that long-time readers of this series have been waiting for.

The Verdict

What I like about this series is the fact that Waid keeps you guessing; you never truly know what lies around the next corner with this series and that is something very evident in this particular comic. It is clear that DD may have met his match, but it is also clear that this new adversary (even without saying it explicitly) isn't the mastermind behind manipulating virtually everything in Matt's life as of late. It's interesting to see through the course of several issues the psychological breakdown of Murdock: this isn't just a physical adversary, this is someone who wants to make Matt feel fear. That's what makes this story so different and also so compelling. The art, as usual, is really lovely: Samnee's layouts and pencils really help to draw you into the story. This is a great read and not a bad starting point, although I would recommend picking up the previous few issues to really get a sense of how big Matt's problems really are.

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Posted by daredevil21134
Edited by Jonny_Anonymous

@the_mast said:

^ He was asking me, not you.

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@the_mast: no but I do watch half a film and think "I don't like this" and turn it off. It's funny because before you where complaining that I was still reading it and now your complaining that I'm not.

Why are you STILL complaining when you don't read it anymore, then?

The same pepole come on here month after month to sing it's praise and thats cool but I can't even come on for one month and say I don't like it, were is the equality in that?

If we read it consistently, that's fair.

You DON'T read it anymore, right? So why are you coming on here to complain about a book you don't read/pay for? Where is the sense? What are you complaining about, or for? You don't read it. I don't like Jersey Shore. I don't go on Jersey Shore forums and complain about it.

If you absolutely loved Jersey Shore and all the characters/pepole in it till like the 3rd season and then it totally changed and you didn't like it anymore you probably would.

No, I wouldn't.

I would stop giving it any time or attention because that's what keeps these things going. Your stance is illogical. "I don't like nor read this book, but I'm gonna come and complain about it anyway even though I don't read it."

That's logically flawed on about five levels. Not only can you not credibly judge something you aren't experiencing, but you don't read it ANYWAY. Why are you complaining about something that isn't even taking your money? You have no argument.

I have no argument because I'm not arguing about anything, you where bitching because you thought I was still reading it and your bitching now that you know I'm not, it grates you that I don't share your opinion so you just cant let it lie, it's pretty sad. It does baffle me why you are so obsessed with this.

No, no, no. Don't resort to personal insult and telling me what I feel and believe. That's not how this works. Have dignity, please.

If you were paying money, that's baffling but at the very least you are experiencing it and paying. You're NOT reading, NOT losing money. Yet, you complain. I have seen ONE installment of The Fast and the Furious. I'm not here complaining about the other four. Why would I? They've taken none of my money, I'm not watching them and I haven't even seen them. Why are YOU doing that with Daredevil?

I don't care if you share my opinion. To each their own. I've said this time and time again. There is no obsession and nothing else like that. Stop trying to turn attention away from me focusing on your reasoning. We'll either talk like adults or we won't talk.

Daredevil ISN'T taking your money. You AREN'T reading it (So you aren't experiencing it). WHY do you complain and what are you complaining about, then? It makes no logical sense. Trying to learn about opposing stances is not obsession, nor sad. I'm working to try understanding you. You're making no sense. You want me to walk away so you don't have to say, "I just like dissing the book."

That was not a personal insult, I said the action it's self was sad not you as a person.

It's clearly obvious why I'm complaining, I love the character Daredevil and I loved the series up to this point, I'v tried multiple times to get in to Waids run and each time I throw the book down in disgust. I doesn't matter if I'm not reading it currently, I'v read enough to know that I don't enjoy it and if suddenly Waid has done a 360 a few issues after I dropped it and it's now everything I want in a DD comic then in my eyes it's still not a good book as it took so long in getting there in the first place. I WANT it to be taking my money, I WANT to like it, I WANT to be reading it but I simply can not enjoy it. The same way a huge fan of Batman of the last 10 years would complain if the book reverted back to the campy Golden Age or a huge fan of the Punisher would complain if it was made in to a comedy book. I do not enjoy plain superhero books, I never have. So with such a massive change in tone and style one of my favourite Marvel characters has been taken away from me, now I am no longer able to read it. So I complain, because what else can I do?

Most pepole come on here to praise the book and that's fine, but there is still many pepole who do not like Waids run and I see absolutely no problem in them coming online and saying "actually this book is not universally loved because we don't like it" this does not get to be a forum where only positive comments go unchallenged. If that person disagrees with you, so what? What does it matter? You think this book is the best thing since Gandhi? Well good for you man, I however hate it and you know what, that's fine to.

"I throw the book down in disgust." THE most over-dramatic thing I think I've read. Sort that out.

Ok, let's clarify certain things before we continue this discussion. When did you stop reading Daredevil? You're NOT reading it, it's NOT taking your money and you DON'T like it. When did you last read it?

If that was a while ago, at the very least more than five issues, WHY are you STILL HERE COMPLAINING? You've stopped reading, so...what do you have to complain about? Why are you coming onto the review for the 25th issue when you haven't read it in however long? If this continued for 200 issues, and you read/bought none of them, would you still be here? Why? If you want the right to complain WITH CREDIBILITY, you need to be paying for this comic. You DON'T pay for it, you DON'T read it. Why should what you say be taken seriously, then?

Do you not understand what I'm trying to get at? I can't say it any more plainly.

Stop telling me shit I've said. I never said it's the best book since Gandhi. I want to know why someone who DOESN'T read it, DOESN'T like it and DOESN'T pay for it is able to expect to be taken seriously. I don't read Justice League. I'm not going on there and bitching about how I dislike it.

Stop banging on about me wanting positives to go unchallenged. If you're paying for and reading this series, and you take issue, fine. You're not, though. So, you're hating this series and you don't even read it. So...what ARE you complaining about? You're challenging shit you haven't even read because you IMAGINE it's bad? How do you even know? YOU DON'T READ IT.

"Sort it out"? No I don't think I will, if you don't like what I write stop reading it and quit pestering me.

I quit reading the book at #10.1. I'm still here because you keep responding to my god damn comments, if you hadn't then I would have posted my one or two comments and left.

I honestly don't care if you think my opinion is "credible" or not, literally couldn't care less. I'v explained to you numerous times now why I don't like the book and why I say I don't like the book but now it's starting to to feel like I'm in the biggest most redundant merry-go-round on the Vine

You bitch that when you think I'm reading it, you still bitch when you know I'm not, is there anything I could have said that would have just stopped you bitching?

I never said you you thought the book was better than Gandhi, It was a generalization to the fans of Waids run but that clearly went over your head

This is a comic book site for pepole to post there opinions on comic books and I'll continue you to do it whether it makes you cry or not.

If you watch half a move, decide it's crap and walk out, are you then aloud to tell your friends that said movie is crap when/if it's brought up in converstation? Yes, you absolutely are.

You haven't read the book in 15 or so months, then? At least a year. So, why are you commenting on a review of issue #25 and bitching about it? You don't read it. How can you claim to have enough knowledge, experience and grounds to criticise it? You're losing nothing and you don't read it. Answer me that. Why are you still taking the time to diss a book you haven't read or paid for in a year or more?

If you were paying for it and reading it still I would've expressed my confusion, but at least you're putting money where mouth is and criticising that which you know to have read. What you're doing NOW is utterly nonsensical and holds absolutely no weight.

No, you're not. You can tell them the parts YOU saw were crap. You cannot judge that which you have not seen nor read. How can you? Credibly. How can you judge or criticise what you don't know?

You're clutching at straws. Nobody's crying. Chill out. You're getting annoying that I'm exposing you as someone who bitches to bitch. You haven't paid for nor read the book since #10.1, yet you're here complaining about a series you haven't read for a long time. That's abnormal. You have no opinion on anything after that issue. How can you have? You can't have a credible opinion on something you haven't read. I don't read Red Hood and the Outlaws. Can I credibly go to the forum and diss it? No.

I DONT CARE IF YOU THINK IT'S CREDIBLE. How hard is that to understand? I'm not here to change anybodys minds, I'm here to state what I think and feel about comics.

Did you even read my first comment? I was complaining about the run in general not this single issue. I'v told you in almost every post since you started pissing your pants over this, I'm complaining because I love Daredevil but this is not the Daredevil I love.

Why on earth would I continue to buy a book don't enjoy? Not only is it incredibly moronic but it's actually the problem with comics today.

Seriously what is your actual problem? I don't care if you go spam the the DD thread with with Waid/DD slash-fic, it's your life do what the hell you wan't, in return do me the same courtesy and let me state my opinion of a comic book on a forum about stating opinions about comic books.

*What you think and feel about a comic series you haven't read in over a year.

How can you complain about his run in GENERAL when you have only read the first 11 issues? There have been as many issues since. You don't know about his "run" in general. You've read under half of it. You are criticising things you literally haven't experienced. You're not understanding why that doesn't work. You're not critiquing the first 10/11 issues. You're criticising the year's-worth of issues since that you haven't paid for or read.

Nobody's pissing their pants. Stop with the imaginary scenarios, it's childish. I'm trying to talk to you like an adult. Respond in kind.

Why are you complaining about that which you cannot know about? That's what I wanna know. You stopped reading this series 15 issues ago. Why are you still complaining when you aren't experiencing it or reading it? You don't know what it's like, you've not read or experienced it. Why are you getting so bent out of shape that I'm trying to learn your reasoning? Is it because the more we get in-depth, the less sense you make?

The second we got down to brass tacks and it became clear you're complaining about a series you haven't read, nor put money toward, for over a YEAR?! You started backing out.

Stop repeating, "I'M STATING MY OPINION!" HOW can you? Your opinion on what? You don't know anything outside of the first 10/11 issues. How can you give your opinion, a damning one at that, on things you haven't paid for or read? Answer me that. "I've read the first half." isn't a fit excuse. That means you can criticise the first half.

You're dissing something you don't know. Explain that. "I've read half of something so I can diss all of it." Is that your logic? I'm asking. Because if so, it holds no weight and you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Good god man, we are not in the least getting in depth, all your doing is talking round in circles.

Tell me, in the last 10 issues has Waid taken the book back to the pulp-noir crime genre? Has he finally put to rest "everybody knows I'm Daredevil" plot point (that had already been put to rest) Has he finally wrapped up the events surrounding the Snakeroot Clan and The Beast? Has he stopped with the bad jokes No? Well there you go then.

I don't care if you don't take me seriously, I AM NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF ANYTHING.

Ok, those are your issues and you are entitled to them. "Bad" jokes are not anything I'm reading in the comic. You seem to have a very specific opinion of what Waid is doing right now for someone who hasn't read the series in over a year. That's not accurate and it's not credible. You can't speak on what you don't know. You surely agree to that.

My point is, why are you STILL coming here and complaining? It's 15 or so issues after you dropped the series. You're not putting money toward it, you're not reading it. WHY do you come here to give an opinion on something you have not read or contributed to for over a year? You still haven't answered that. You dislike the first 10/11 issues, so you spend the next year complaining about a series you don't read, haven't paid for and don't maintain interest in?

Why? Logically, why?

11 issues is enough for anybody to know if they like the comic or not. Nobody has to listen to a whole album to know if there going to like Iron Maiden, nobody has to watch a whole season to know if there going to like the West Wing, nobody has to read a whole run to know if there going to like a comic or not. Yea I have a specific opinion about Waids run and it's one you have yet to tell me is wrong, the best you'v got is you don't find his jokes bad and thats just a matter of opinion.

By "spending the next year complaining" do you really mean posting that one comment?

*sigh* for the fifth and final time I complain because I love Daredevil, but this is not the Daredevil I love, it's a radical change in tone and content that makes me unable to read the book, so instead I complain about my dislike of a comicbook I once loved on a website where other pepole proclaim there hate/love for comic books they hate/love. Simple as that. Now will you finally cease with the constant pestering? This conversation stopped being productive about 10 posts ago.

Posted by garlyle

@jonny_anonymous: Pretty sure that's why Daredevil: End of days is on the stands. Read that, and let us enjoy the perfection that is Mark Waid/Chris Samnee/Daredevil in peace.

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@jonny_anonymous: Pretty sure that's why Daredevil: End of days is on the stands. Read that, and let us enjoy the perfection that is Mark Waid/Chris Samnee/Daredevil in peace.

a mini series, no I don't think so.

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^ He was asking me, not you.

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@the_mast: no but I do watch half a film and think "I don't like this" and turn it off. It's funny because before you where complaining that I was still reading it and now your complaining that I'm not.

Why are you STILL complaining when you don't read it anymore, then?

The same pepole come on here month after month to sing it's praise and thats cool but I can't even come on for one month and say I don't like it, were is the equality in that?

If we read it consistently, that's fair.

You DON'T read it anymore, right? So why are you coming on here to complain about a book you don't read/pay for? Where is the sense? What are you complaining about, or for? You don't read it. I don't like Jersey Shore. I don't go on Jersey Shore forums and complain about it.

If you absolutely loved Jersey Shore and all the characters/pepole in it till like the 3rd season and then it totally changed and you didn't like it anymore you probably would.

No, I wouldn't.

I would stop giving it any time or attention because that's what keeps these things going. Your stance is illogical. "I don't like nor read this book, but I'm gonna come and complain about it anyway even though I don't read it."

That's logically flawed on about five levels. Not only can you not credibly judge something you aren't experiencing, but you don't read it ANYWAY. Why are you complaining about something that isn't even taking your money? You have no argument.

I have no argument because I'm not arguing about anything, you where bitching because you thought I was still reading it and your bitching now that you know I'm not, it grates you that I don't share your opinion so you just cant let it lie, it's pretty sad. It does baffle me why you are so obsessed with this.

No, no, no. Don't resort to personal insult and telling me what I feel and believe. That's not how this works. Have dignity, please.

If you were paying money, that's baffling but at the very least you are experiencing it and paying. You're NOT reading, NOT losing money. Yet, you complain. I have seen ONE installment of The Fast and the Furious. I'm not here complaining about the other four. Why would I? They've taken none of my money, I'm not watching them and I haven't even seen them. Why are YOU doing that with Daredevil?

I don't care if you share my opinion. To each their own. I've said this time and time again. There is no obsession and nothing else like that. Stop trying to turn attention away from me focusing on your reasoning. We'll either talk like adults or we won't talk.

Daredevil ISN'T taking your money. You AREN'T reading it (So you aren't experiencing it). WHY do you complain and what are you complaining about, then? It makes no logical sense. Trying to learn about opposing stances is not obsession, nor sad. I'm working to try understanding you. You're making no sense. You want me to walk away so you don't have to say, "I just like dissing the book."

That was not a personal insult, I said the action it's self was sad not you as a person.

It's clearly obvious why I'm complaining, I love the character Daredevil and I loved the series up to this point, I'v tried multiple times to get in to Waids run and each time I throw the book down in disgust. I doesn't matter if I'm not reading it currently, I'v read enough to know that I don't enjoy it and if suddenly Waid has done a 360 a few issues after I dropped it and it's now everything I want in a DD comic then in my eyes it's still not a good book as it took so long in getting there in the first place. I WANT it to be taking my money, I WANT to like it, I WANT to be reading it but I simply can not enjoy it. The same way a huge fan of Batman of the last 10 years would complain if the book reverted back to the campy Golden Age or a huge fan of the Punisher would complain if it was made in to a comedy book. I do not enjoy plain superhero books, I never have. So with such a massive change in tone and style one of my favourite Marvel characters has been taken away from me, now I am no longer able to read it. So I complain, because what else can I do?

Most pepole come on here to praise the book and that's fine, but there is still many pepole who do not like Waids run and I see absolutely no problem in them coming online and saying "actually this book is not universally loved because we don't like it" this does not get to be a forum where only positive comments go unchallenged. If that person disagrees with you, so what? What does it matter? You think this book is the best thing since Gandhi? Well good for you man, I however hate it and you know what, that's fine to.

"I throw the book down in disgust." THE most over-dramatic thing I think I've read. Sort that out.

Ok, let's clarify certain things before we continue this discussion. When did you stop reading Daredevil? You're NOT reading it, it's NOT taking your money and you DON'T like it. When did you last read it?

If that was a while ago, at the very least more than five issues, WHY are you STILL HERE COMPLAINING? You've stopped reading, so...what do you have to complain about? Why are you coming onto the review for the 25th issue when you haven't read it in however long? If this continued for 200 issues, and you read/bought none of them, would you still be here? Why? If you want the right to complain WITH CREDIBILITY, you need to be paying for this comic. You DON'T pay for it, you DON'T read it. Why should what you say be taken seriously, then?

Do you not understand what I'm trying to get at? I can't say it any more plainly.

Stop telling me shit I've said. I never said it's the best book since Gandhi. I want to know why someone who DOESN'T read it, DOESN'T like it and DOESN'T pay for it is able to expect to be taken seriously. I don't read Justice League. I'm not going on there and bitching about how I dislike it.

Stop banging on about me wanting positives to go unchallenged. If you're paying for and reading this series, and you take issue, fine. You're not, though. So, you're hating this series and you don't even read it. So...what ARE you complaining about? You're challenging shit you haven't even read because you IMAGINE it's bad? How do you even know? YOU DON'T READ IT.

"Sort it out"? No I don't think I will, if you don't like what I write stop reading it and quit pestering me.

I quit reading the book at #10.1. I'm still here because you keep responding to my god damn comments, if you hadn't then I would have posted my one or two comments and left.

I honestly don't care if you think my opinion is "credible" or not, literally couldn't care less. I'v explained to you numerous times now why I don't like the book and why I say I don't like the book but now it's starting to to feel like I'm in the biggest most redundant merry-go-round on the Vine

You bitch that when you think I'm reading it, you still bitch when you know I'm not, is there anything I could have said that would have just stopped you bitching?

I never said you you thought the book was better than Gandhi, It was a generalization to the fans of Waids run but that clearly went over your head

This is a comic book site for pepole to post there opinions on comic books and I'll continue you to do it whether it makes you cry or not.

If you watch half a move, decide it's crap and walk out, are you then aloud to tell your friends that said movie is crap when/if it's brought up in converstation? Yes, you absolutely are.

You haven't read the book in 15 or so months, then? At least a year. So, why are you commenting on a review of issue #25 and bitching about it? You don't read it. How can you claim to have enough knowledge, experience and grounds to criticise it? You're losing nothing and you don't read it. Answer me that. Why are you still taking the time to diss a book you haven't read or paid for in a year or more?

If you were paying for it and reading it still I would've expressed my confusion, but at least you're putting money where mouth is and criticising that which you know to have read. What you're doing NOW is utterly nonsensical and holds absolutely no weight.

No, you're not. You can tell them the parts YOU saw were crap. You cannot judge that which you have not seen nor read. How can you? Credibly. How can you judge or criticise what you don't know?

You're clutching at straws. Nobody's crying. Chill out. You're getting annoying that I'm exposing you as someone who bitches to bitch. You haven't paid for nor read the book since #10.1, yet you're here complaining about a series you haven't read for a long time. That's abnormal. You have no opinion on anything after that issue. How can you have? You can't have a credible opinion on something you haven't read. I don't read Red Hood and the Outlaws. Can I credibly go to the forum and diss it? No.

I DONT CARE IF YOU THINK IT'S CREDIBLE. How hard is that to understand? I'm not here to change anybodys minds, I'm here to state what I think and feel about comics.

Did you even read my first comment? I was complaining about the run in general not this single issue. I'v told you in almost every post since you started pissing your pants over this, I'm complaining because I love Daredevil but this is not the Daredevil I love.

Why on earth would I continue to buy a book don't enjoy? Not only is it incredibly moronic but it's actually the problem with comics today.

Seriously what is your actual problem? I don't care if you go spam the the DD thread with with Waid/DD slash-fic, it's your life do what the hell you wan't, in return do me the same courtesy and let me state my opinion of a comic book on a forum about stating opinions about comic books.

*What you think and feel about a comic series you haven't read in over a year.

How can you complain about his run in GENERAL when you have only read the first 11 issues? There have been as many issues since. You don't know about his "run" in general. You've read under half of it. You are criticising things you literally haven't experienced. You're not understanding why that doesn't work. You're not critiquing the first 10/11 issues. You're criticising the year's-worth of issues since that you haven't paid for or read.

Nobody's pissing their pants. Stop with the imaginary scenarios, it's childish. I'm trying to talk to you like an adult. Respond in kind.

Why are you complaining about that which you cannot know about? That's what I wanna know. You stopped reading this series 15 issues ago. Why are you still complaining when you aren't experiencing it or reading it? You don't know what it's like, you've not read or experienced it. Why are you getting so bent out of shape that I'm trying to learn your reasoning? Is it because the more we get in-depth, the less sense you make?

The second we got down to brass tacks and it became clear you're complaining about a series you haven't read, nor put money toward, for over a YEAR?! You started backing out.

Stop repeating, "I'M STATING MY OPINION!" HOW can you? Your opinion on what? You don't know anything outside of the first 10/11 issues. How can you give your opinion, a damning one at that, on things you haven't paid for or read? Answer me that. "I've read the first half." isn't a fit excuse. That means you can criticise the first half.

You're dissing something you don't know. Explain that. "I've read half of something so I can diss all of it." Is that your logic? I'm asking. Because if so, it holds no weight and you shouldn't be taken seriously.

Good god man, we are not in the least getting in depth, all your doing is talking round in circles.

Tell me, in the last 10 issues has Waid taken the book back to the pulp-noir crime genre? Has he finally put to rest "everybody knows I'm Daredevil" plot point (that had already been put to rest) Has he finally wrapped up the events surrounding the Snakeroot Clan and The Beast? Has he stopped with the bad jokes No? Well there you go then.

I don't care if you don't take me seriously, I AM NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU OF ANYTHING.

Ok, those are your issues and you are entitled to them. "Bad" jokes are not anything I'm reading in the comic. You seem to have a very specific opinion of what Waid is doing right now for someone who hasn't read the series in over a year. That's not accurate and it's not credible. You can't speak on what you don't know. You surely agree to that.

My point is, why are you STILL coming here and complaining? It's 15 or so issues after you dropped the series. You're not putting money toward it, you're not reading it. WHY do you come here to give an opinion on something you have not read or contributed to for over a year? You still haven't answered that. You dislike the first 10/11 issues, so you spend the next year complaining about a series you don't read, haven't paid for and don't maintain interest in?

Why? Logically, why?

11 issues is enough for anybody to know if they like the comic or not. Nobody has to listen to a whole album to know if there going to like Iron Maiden, nobody has to watch a whole season to know if there going to like the West Wing, nobody has to read a whole run to know if there going to like a comic or not. Yea I have a specific opinion about Waids run and it's one you have yet to tell me is wrong, the best you'v got is you don't find his jokes bad and thats just a matter of opinion.

By "spending the next year complaining" do you really mean posting that one comment?

*sigh* for the fifth and final time I complain because I love Daredevil, but this is not the Daredevil I love, it's a radical change in tone and content that makes me unable to read the book, so instead I complain about my dislike of a comicbook I once loved on a website where other pepole proclaim there hate/love for comic books they hate/love. Simple as that. Now will you finally cease with the constant pestering? This conversation stopped being productive about 10 posts ago.

THEN we come back to the main point. WHY are you still here? You throw the book down, over-dramatically so, in disgust every time you read it...but you keep coming back to complain? Nonsense. It makes absolutely no logical sense. What you are doing is nonsense.

There's no wrong or right about liking something subjective. My issue comes with you coming here to bitch about something you aren't paying for or reading. You can't complain about something you aren't aware of. I've just seen Iron Man 3. You've seen the prior two, right? Now, can you judge it because you've seen those? No.

You come here because you love Daredevil? Why? How can you even believe that you are fit to speak of yielding productive results when YOU are someone who logs onto a comic website to bitch about a comic book he has not paid for nor read in over a year? You are the very model of unproductive behaviour.

"I don't like this, I don't read this, I don't pay for this. What I'll do, though, is go online and just keep saying it's bad."

Yeah, no. I'll see you in the comments for #26, sir.

Posted by daredevil21134

I personally really wanna like this series.It kills me to have to hate on my favorite character's series

Posted by ZoddGuts

Anyways ignoring the troll, great issue. Waid has done a great job on this book.

Posted by Donovan Montgomery

@the_mast: "Way to steal everything I said." Eh?

It looks big enough to me, and to tall for Bullseye. The question I would have is why Kingpin would be in a container and Bullseye is dead and I really couldn't handle having to drop DD again if anyone brought him back. That aside, I won't spoil any ones fun by trying to pick other foes it might be.

Bullseye may be smart but it's on the fly smart, I don't believe he could pull anything like this off, IF he was still alive. Just for arguments sake, I suppose someone could have dug Bullseye up after his funeral, *The Hand*, but I'm gonna say no.

Personally there are a few things I didn't enjoy in this issue but overall it was pretty good. Also curious to see who actually is behind all this. @the_mast "I initially thought Bullseye was the guy behind it all, but now I'm thinking of another guy (That's not a spoiler. No main villain is revealed)."

I doubt it's Bullseye and since you've read that much DD you would draw the same conclusion if for only the two most obvious reasons: 1) He's dead (I know, they always come back) and 2) He's not smart enough to think this well in advance.

D@MM!T........guess I'll be saving a couple bucks a month.......>:[

Posted by The Mast

@donovan_montgomery:

The lesson to be learned here is never to second guess me when it comes to Daredevil.

Posted by Donovan Montgomery

@the_mast: LOL, the sad thing is I had to join the "against Waid" thread :/

Posted by The Mast
Posted by Donovan Montgomery

@the_mast: Only because of who came back on his watch......may not be his fault (Marvel), but he wrote it.

Posted by The Mast
Edited by Donovan Montgomery

@the_mast: You notice I said ".... MAY not be his fault"? How do we know it wasn't him who planned it and Marvel just went along?

He's good and fun to read, only the one real blemish so far. Don't worry to much, I'm probably sticking around to see how it goes, at least I can understand the flow of conversation.