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Catwoman #25 - Zero Year: Before the Claws Come Out Review

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It's a journey back to witness a slight turning point for Selina Kyle in the days before she became Catwoman.

The Good

At first the idea of Zero Year tie-ins caused my eyes to roll. I didn't see the value in going back again to individual characters a certain period of time before they gained their costumed persona. For Catwoman, we get to see more of who the character is meant to be.

This is Selina Kyle. She straddles the line between being good and bad. The funny thing is, my daughter actually asked me yesterday if Catwoman was good or bad. I explained that she was a thief but she wasn't evil. That is the essence of who Selina is, in which John Layman lays out in this issue.

In the moments during Zero Year, Gotham City is in turmoil. With the Riddler having turned off the city's electricity and a raging storm on the way, there is some panic as citizens scramble to find shelter from the storm as well as get any supplies they may need. Selina finds herself pulled into a situation where she comes across some bad individuals. This is where we see the goodness inside her. She can't resist trying to do the right thing for those that need it. During the story we see some 'first moments' for Selina as well as a little nod to, what I believe is, the current story with the underground city.

Simply put, this felt like a Selina story. After reading the zero issue, I'm not exactly sure what Selina's full origin is. With this issue, it doesn't matter. You can jump right in and appreciate who the character is.

Aaron Lopresti's art fits the story nicely. We see the city on the verge of a dark time and it's great seeing different areas of the city have their own feel rather than be drawn the same in each issue. Gotham is a big city and it does feel like the events here are happening in their own little corner. Lopresti also captured Selina's look despite not having an actual Catwoman costume.

The Bad

This issue was a nice break from whatever is going on in the regular series. Seeing this early moment in Selina's career was nice but it doesn't feel as if it'd have a huge impact on the rest of the series. It's not crucial reading but it was great seeing the Selina I used to know.

The Verdict

I thought the Zero Year tie-ins would all be unnecessary filler issues. John Layman shows he understands who Selina Kyle is and gives us some nice moments before she created the costumed persona of Catwoman. Seeing her compelled to do the right thing in her own style was a great reminder of some of the Catwoman stories we had before. Lopresti's art manages to make the story feel like a CATWOMAN story even though that identity doesn't exist yet. This was a delightful surprise.

26 Comments
Posted by 2cool4fun

ah, if only the this writer could stay on the series...

Posted by The Stegman

I would start reading this series..but Nocenti is coming back soon, so I think I'll lay low and pray that it pulls a Lemire/Green Arrow.

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Edited by lifeboy

This team doesn't have anything on the regular team. Can't wait for mrs nocenti and mr sandoval to come back. I was really enjoying the Gotham Underground storyline. It left off with some awesome cliffhangers like if Alice tesla survived that bomb blast and also what's going to happen to all those people underground after Duela flooded the infra-structure. Also, will Duela's ugly cat choose Catwoman after she saved its life in the flood. And what about TinderBow??? Man I hate that issue 25 interupted the regular story....

Posted by HexThis

It's Selina with an I. Not E.

Posted by batmannflash

It's spelled Selina, just saying.

Anyways I might actually pick this up. I dropped the series a long time ago but this sounds interesting

Posted by TommytheHitman

I was surprised that this got 4 stars... then I realized that it was a different writer...

Posted by PunyParker

Ι read until issue #4.....then stopped.....too much banging Batman,seriously,i didnt particularly like that.....like she was his sex-pun.

I liked how Selina and Bruce worked out in Loeb's Hush....cute.

Posted by TimeLordScience

@lifeboy said:

This team doesn't have anything on the regular team. Can't wait for mrs nocenti and mr sandoval to come back. I was really enjoying the Gotham Underground storyline. It left off with some awesome cliffhangers like if Alice tesla survived that bomb blast and also what's going to happen to all those people underground after Duela flooded the infra-structure. Also, will Duela's ugly cat choose Catwoman after she saved its life in the flood. And what about TinderBow??? Man I hate that issue 25 interupted the regular story....

...sarcasm?

Posted by LordoftheNorth

my problem with the Issue was that Selina keeps saying shes no master theif etc but the whole thing is so freaking easy for her. I mean the bodyguard owns her with one punch. than later becuase she has a whip she beats him and Five other guys without breaking a sweat.

I also had the problem she really didnt seem like that bad a person at any point infact the comic she is helping people or teaching a jerk a lesson. So it never feels like its that big a deal for selina just her everday thing.

Posted by LordoftheNorth

@lifeboy: i hope your kidding that like saying this oasis sucks iam going back to the lifeless desert

Posted by mark15

i thought you were never buying Catwoman again? or was it nothing with Joker's daughter?

Edited by lifeboy

@timelordscience: @lordofthenorth:

No on both accounts. The regular team excels in a great comic driven by well written and drawn females for females readers. And I'm happy to say that as a male I love this comic also! i wasnt a fan of Catwoman until i picked up issue 18.

EDIT*

People are just going to hate on Catwoman. They have been doing it since issue 1 even though every creative team since then to now have done an absolutely amazing job. If Mr Layman and Lopresti took over, it wouldnt be long before people started to complain about them.

Posted by consafo80

looking forward to reading this. loved Layman's James Gordon lead Tec Comics Zero Year tie in. Look forward to seeing what he does with Selina.

Edited by The_Titan_Lord

Nice

Posted by LordoftheNorth

@lifeboy: Nocenti is a hack her run on catwoman is mismatch of genres that go togather as well as peanutbutter and pineapple

Strong female characters lol did you read Jokers daughter and the whole time Selina hast been Selina just some chick in a catwoman costume wondering around going to random places she has no place of being doing very stupid things

If you want a good catwoman read brubakers run

Posted by lifeboy

@lordofthenorth: she wanders everywhere because she is a hap-hazardous pussycat in mrs nocenti's run. Without that (and I'm not agreeing that she is aimless), we would not have seen her meet Duela, Doctor Phosphorous or get into the gang war with penguin. I will give you an example of some of the comedy mrs nocenti brings: she tells penguin that he is "channeling his inner runt" while he has her prisoner. 2 issues later LadyBird (pengi's pilot/bodyguard/assistant/girlfriend) tells the other henchgirl (while they are making fun of the penguin) that "he is channeling his inner runt" because she heard Catwoman tell him that.

I don't know about mr Brubakers run (I'm sure its really good) but I'm enjoying the heck out of this run and especially with mr Sandovals pencils. He's got to be top 5 artists at DC right now.

BTW, I love peanutbutter and pineapple. On a gram cracker drissled in chocolate syrup... mmmmm, gotta go. I'm channeling my inner fatboy! Lol

Posted by LordoftheNorth

@lifeboy: her meeting Duala isnt a good thing

At least tell me you dont like her 0 issue

selina has just looked ugly during Sandovals run

dont mean to hate on what you like but there are tons of better Catwoman runs out there just stay away from Catwoman: Guardian of Gotham

and I just i throw up in my mouth

Edited by lifeboy

@lordofthenorth:

Her meeting Duela has been good. I liked that last part on Catwoman 24 where duela ran off with that brat tinderBox and was showing her how she could rule with her. Then she floods Charnel Town. It showed what kind of person tinderBox was because that is where her people and dad live.I agree with you that mr sandovals Selina doesn't look "beautiful" but his tinderBox♥, alice tesla♥, Ladybird, Duela and her ugly cat, detective alvarez, his partner and really everything else has just been the best.Also, I can agree that mrs nocenti's voice for Catwoman isn't the strongest but she sure can create a great universe around her. All the characters we have meet so far have been very well defined. I really loved Alice. I hope she is going to be ok after what happened to her in #24. I honestly thought we were going to see her become the new52 Oracle.I haven't read issue 0, 14, 15, 16, 17 but I got them back issue and am waiting for a good time to read them.You really seem to not like mrs nocenti. Are you her ex-boyfriend or something? If you are, can you hook me up with her? Lol

Posted by jdp180

A good Catwoman review? Maybe Ms. Nocenti isnt such a bad writer after all. *looks closely at the cover* Oh wait... John Layman wrote this issue. LOL Nevermind.

Edited by asjmooney

Loved this issue. Someone take over catwoman that treats her with respect

Posted by The Mighty Monarch

@jdp180 said:

A good Catwoman review? Maybe Ms. Nocenti isnt such a bad writer after all. *looks closely at the cover* Oh wait... John Layman wrote this issue. LOL Nevermind.

QFT

Posted by The Mighty Monarch

@lifeboy said:

@timelordscience: @lordofthenorth:

People are just going to hate on Catwoman. They have been doing it since issue 1 even though every creative team since then to now have done an absolutely amazing job. If Mr Layman and Lopresti took over, it wouldnt be long before people started to complain about them.

It's not that, I was one of the few people who loved the first 12 issues, despite a heavy dose of sexuality, I felt Judd Winick had inlaid some incredibly deep and emotional storytelling and character work. Ann Nocenti is an absolute hack, the pacing swings about wildly, most of the dialogue is awkward, and the plotting is utterly erratic. The art's perfectly fine, but it can't even come close to fixing such a broken and pathetic script. And some plot points are just stupid! Like, Catwoman is SERIOUSLY stupid enough to think that stealing MORE from the Penguin will send him a message to back off? OF COURSE it started a gang war, THAT WAS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS BECAUSE OF THE PENGUIN'S PERSONALITY. HOW COULD SELINA BE THAT STUPID? HOW COULD ANY WRITER BE STUPID ENOUGH TO MAKE HER THAT STUPID?

Posted by lifeboy

@the_mighty_monarch: that never bothered me. I believe that gang war was already going on between the Rattails and Penguin full battle when Catwoman stole those jewels. I can't be to sure though because I had just picked up my first catwoman title at issue 18, so I was new to everything catwoman. Plus the story continuing in the Annual made it harder for me to keep up with what was going on. But after afew issues of Ann's I loved it so much I went back and bought the trades for issues 1-12. Mr winnick was a stronger writer but even he made big mistakes. Like Selina stealing for the mob family and putting Lola at risk by staying with her. Ofcoarse they tracked her and killed Lola. Then after that, Catwoman still puts her old african american partner at risk by teaming up with her even after seeing what happened to Lola. Guess what, she ends up getting extorted by penguin. So both writers made mistakes but mr winnicl messed up more. Heres the review for that issue which backs my point

http://www.comicvine.com/reviews/catwoman-5/1900-500/

Ann's shortcomings with selina are well more made up with giving life to the world see lives in. I'd say about half the time we are reading about catwoman, the other half we are reading about what her enemies are up to or the detectives investigating Catwoman. For instance, i was seriously laughing when we saw that penguin was making black ice into an icecream bar form and then, throughout the previous issue and next 2 we see that every time devctive Holly Keys appears she always eating an icecream. Or how about in Jokers Daughter villains month when Duela comes out of the underground river and out of nowhere, a kid hits her in the head with a rock and starts calling her ugly. Lol

Anyway, its been fun. I will leave by saying Ann is Awesome!

Posted by jdp180

@lordofthenorth: I know I am a week late but what about the cops being to lazy to walk down the alley where Selina ran into? They would have found her hiding behind the dumpster.

Posted by LordoftheNorth

@jdp180: Its Gotham PD they dont give a shit