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Batman, Incorporated #13 - The Dark Knight and the Devil's Daughter Review

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This is the end. It's the end of many things but also the beginning for others.

The Good

This is what it's all come down to. Grant Morrison and Chris Burnham have been guiding Batman and Batman Incorporated down a dark path these past few months. Of course the story goes back further - into Morrison's previous Batman run. Batman's fight against Talia and Leviathan has left quite a mess. Batman and Gotham City won't be the same after this.

Since this series started, there has been several questions left unanswered and new ones thrown in our faces. From the confrontation between Batman and Talia, Bruce Wayne's interrogation and the new developments at the end, this is an extremely fitting story to mark the end of Morrison's tenure. You'll find yourself smiling seeing certain things occur yet you'll still have that sinking feeling over some of the darkness that goes along with the story. I was especially grateful and excited to see the return of a certain character. Let's hope we get more.

Chris Burnham's art is a welcomed sight. He manages to deliver nicely gritty detailed panels that make you feel what's going on. Bruce Wayne might have looked a little too beat up but at the same time, it's great to see a hero actual wear his battle wounds rather than miraculously heal moments later. It's a joy having Burnham's art for the entire issue.

A big thank you to Grant Morrison for a panel with a character uttering three words that completely sums up what Batman's about.

The Bad

Batman telling Bat-Cow to "Shut up" wasn't cool.

The Verdict

Batman Incorporated was a fascinating experiment. It took Batman to different places and introduced many great characters. It's fitting that with Grant Morrison's departure, we may be seeing less of the idea as a whole (let's not forget the one-shot coming in August). This series gave us a lot of what we wanted to see. We had some endings and some beginnings. The Leviathan story felt it went on a little too long at times but there were definitely some great moments throughout. Who else is ready to re-read all the stories from the beginning once more? You'll get excited over the events here but you'll still be a little sad over seeing some things end. It's not often a story can tug on your heart-strings like this.

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Posted by Saren

She's dead! She's dead! The Wicked Witch is dead! Oh, happy day!

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Posted by dondave

Who kisses the woman who killed your son?

Posted by inferiorego

Satisfying ending to this book.

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Posted by Dernman

I'm glad it's finally over. The ending felt flat to me though. Anticlimactic IMO.

Posted by TheAcidSkull

She's dead! She's dead! The Wicked Witch is dead! Oh, happy day!

I see talias death got you excited :P

Edited by Trevel8182

Edited by danhimself

I don't understand why Morrison thought this was going to piss everyone off

Edited by The_Tree

Great end. I really liked the reference to the unending nature of comics.

When Gordon mentioned Zero Year, it sort of felt like a passing of the torch to Snyder.

Hopefully the Epilogue is followed up on by somebody in the future.

Posted by Nightwing_Beyond

Kathy frickin Kane is back with a lovely hair due! I loved this issue! I liked how Batman handled the whole situation in a way I didn't expect him to. A bunch of Bruce's anger seemingly evaporated which was my only problem with this but, I got over that once I took a step back and looked at the run as a whole. This will read better in a trade for sure.

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Posted by Jonny_Anonymous

Yea I don't like that that character is back

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Posted by Mucklefluga

I laughed so much at the bat-cow scene.

@the_tree said:

Great end. I really liked the reference to the unending nature of comics.

When Gordon mentioned Zero Year, it sort of felt like a passing of the torch to Snyder.

Hopefully the Epilogue is followed up on by somebody in the future.

This. It almost brings a tear to your eye. I can't believe it's all over! :(

Posted by Ravager4

Finally we can put this lame concept to rest

Edited by Lvenger

@g_man said:

And if you wanna know what 'three words' I was referring to:

http://instagram.com/p/cb2-dniPYH/

Glad to see Morrison still respects the no kill code. Why can't people understand the value of this ethos? Not to mention that the character who's even less likely to kill than Batman has killed 3 times this year across different media.

Edited by Dernman

@nico4ever said:

Finally we can put this lame concept to rest

Sadly elements of it will live on...

Posted by darknightspideyfanboy

@lvenger: yup and those same story have made superman even more interesting than before injustice is #1 almost every time comixology,the trinity war started with a bang,and man of steel 2 would be very interesting especially if they use lex luthor to convience people to f superman especially the mistake he made in the 1 movie

Edited by Billy Batson

@dernman said:

@nico4ever said:

Finally we can put this lame concept to rest

Sadly elements of it will live on...

That special issue in the fall!
BB

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Posted by MuyJingo

@lvenger: How is Superman less likely to kill?

Posted by THEOCITYLEGEND

God I am happy she is dead, almost blowing up so many cities and killing millions of lives, she deserved it and I am glad to see Morrison killed her off

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Posted by ruckus24

Considering she's one of the most enduring and popular bat villains with easy access to resurrection and cloning tech do any of you really think this "death" is going to stick?

Posted by The_Tree

@ruckus24: Not at all, especially with Ra's harvesting Lord Death Man's blood.

Posted by ULTRAstarkiller

Umm I haven't read it yet but I came here for spoilers. But it there something in this story preventing her from using the Lazerous Pit to come back to life?

Edited by TheCheeseStabber

G-Man the fact Batman did that to Bat-Cow should have made this a zero star.

Posted by theTimeStreamer

hopefully now bruce makes burgers out of that stupid cow. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannd bats kissing talia for the reason she stated: is retarded. thanks morrison. you are a genius when it comes to people.

Edited by TDK_1997

This issue was great and Talia finally died.

Posted by entropy_aegis

She's dead! She's dead! The Wicked Witch is dead! Oh, happy day!

She'll be back in the next major Ra's story,the ending makes it clear.Still Talia and Lois died on the same day HOLY SH*T.

Edited by Sleepbutnodream15

I really enjoyed Grant's run on Batman, it was definitely a different kind of reading experience.

Were the bodies that were dug up at the end Bruce's parents?

Posted by Cavemold

I don't understand why Morrison thought this was going to piss everyone off

probably because batman needed to be saved.

Posted by Cavemold

Also he got trolled in this issue. I thought it was good ending? The epilogue could have furture ramifications.

Edited by Lvenger

@darknightspideyfanboy: I fail to see how Superman needs to be made interesting by perverting him into a totalitarian despot instead of the good natured protector of Earth we know him to be. If that's what you like, fine but don't expect that to show what kind of character Superman is. Also, Superman's 'killing' of Doctor Light was poorly executed and the slate was basically wiped clean, making it pointless for Superman to kill Light since he'll be brought back and it's clear Superman isn't responsible. As for Man of Steel, I've said enough about that killing on here before.

@muyjingo: Are you kidding me? He's the guy that was raised by salt of the earth farmers and imbued with a unshakable moral compass along with him cherishing all life, protecting the Earth and parts of the universe too and even sparing his enemies from lethal punishment. Evidently, this guy should be less likely to kill than the slightly unhinged Batman who doesn't kill to prevent him becoming like the criminals he's trying to stop.

Posted by lolzstastic

@lvenger said:

@muyjingo: Are you kidding me? He's the guy that was raised by salt of the earth farmers and imbued with a unshakable moral compass along with him cherishing all life, protecting the Earth and parts of the universe too and even sparing his enemies from lethal punishment. Evidently, this guy should be less likely to kill than the slightly unhinged Batman who doesn't kill to prevent him becoming like the criminals he's trying to stop.

Batman has a trauma with killing people. Superman was only told he shouldn't kill. Which one do you think has a bigger impact on a person's moral compass, both consciously and unconsciously?

Posted by Lvenger

@lvenger said:

@muyjingo: Are you kidding me? He's the guy that was raised by salt of the earth farmers and imbued with a unshakable moral compass along with him cherishing all life, protecting the Earth and parts of the universe too and even sparing his enemies from lethal punishment. Evidently, this guy should be less likely to kill than the slightly unhinged Batman who doesn't kill to prevent him becoming like the criminals he's trying to stop.

Batman has a trauma with killing people. Superman was only told he shouldn't kill. Which one do you think has a bigger impact on a person's moral compass, both consciously and unconsciously?

It's been a big part of the character's moral compass that he doesn't kill. He gets called out on it time and time again yet refuses to do so even under extraneous circumstances in well written Superman stories. For me, that holds more impact on a character's moral compass than Batman's traumatising experience as a child. Bruce is always one step away from becoming the very thing he fights against whereas Superman is nowhere near that point.

Edited by johnny_spam

Currently re-reading the whole thing. I am amazed he was allowed to tell this story for so long. I am a little sad it is over so many other DC books feel so forced it was great that Morrison's Batman was always unpredictable and stood out with it's own voice. Loved Burnham's art on this series he should have a good future in comics.

Posted by manwithoutshame

This was an incredible issue. I loved the way the story unfolded with Bruce talking to Gordon. also...

Rise, Sons of Batman!

Edited by VaizD

I also wasn't sure what was going on with the graves in the end. Are they two empty graves that are supposed to be intimidating? Was one of them Damian's grave? Is it Thomas and Martha's graves? Didn't do a great job establishing that.

Honestly, this whole ending sort of fell flat to me, epilogue excluded.

Posted by lifeboy

It sounds like its been one heck of a fun ride for you all! I love when a story catches your imagination as a whole. You just can wait to get your next issue in the mail. I'm happy for you all :)

Posted by detective38

Great ending for a great series! although a few things werent very well handled i was definitely not disappointed overall

Posted by EvanTheMexiJew

Wait, but Kathy Kane saying "Batman doesn't kill" is weird, because Morrison was the guy who had Batman shoot and kill Darkseid. I mean, it was a good issue, but I feel like Morrison was building up to something much less grim in his other runs. He contradicted everything he wrote about Batman.

Posted by havoc1201

I thought it was pretty lame for a arch he had been building up over seven years it felt rushed, I did like the room full of damians, cant wait for that little guy to come back into the story, probably as a bad dude at first but he will become good again, also were the bodies that were taking Damian and Talia or the Waynes it looked like Taila and Damian.

Edited by The_Tree

Wait, but Kathy Kane saying "Batman doesn't kill" is weird, because Morrison was the guy who had Batman shoot and kill Darkseid. I mean, it was a good issue, but I feel like Morrison was building up to something much less grim in his other runs. He contradicted everything he wrote about Batman.

Batman didn't technically kill Darkseid, Superman did when he cancelled out Darkseid's vibration. If anything, he just helped show him the door. Bruce also said that he was making an exception when he shot Darkseid, and really that's the only option when you're facing the end of all reality.

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@vaizd said:

I also wasn't sure what was going on with the graves in the end. Are they two empty graves that are supposed to be intimidating? Was one of them Damian's grave? Is it Thomas and Martha's graves? Didn't do a great job establishing that.

Honestly, this whole ending sort of fell flat to me, epilogue excluded.

I think it was Damains and Talias bc the graves were unmarked which Gordon asked about them earlier in the issue.

Posted by drgnx

Meh!

Batcow rocks!

Edited by VaizD

@vaizd said:

I also wasn't sure what was going on with the graves in the end. Are they two empty graves that are supposed to be intimidating? Was one of them Damian's grave? Is it Thomas and Martha's graves? Didn't do a great job establishing that.

Honestly, this whole ending sort of fell flat to me, epilogue excluded.

I think it was Damains and Talias bc the graves were unmarked which Gordon asked about them earlier in the issue.

I had that consideration a while after I posted my initial comment, and yeah, it makes sense. Ra's is harvesting Lazarus blood, so it would make sense for him to grave rob Talia and Damian with the intent of bringing them back from the dead. Maybe he intends to use Damian to lead the Sons of Batman. Too bad Grant sort of just left that wide open.

Posted by cobra88king8

I'm happy with the way Morrison decided to end his Bat-era. He closed a lot of plot threads and doors while still managing to leave enough open for future writers. Also the comparison between the Leviathan army attacking Gotham and Zero Year has me interested for a number of reasons. A.) Gordon actually calls it Zero Year and B.) He equates it to being a war. I do like that Rha's is shown alive and still possesses the cloning tech at the end. It fit thematically and left the door to Damian's future resurrection (c'mon it's comics it's gonna happen)

Edited by MuyJingo

@lvenger: I think on the surface it's easy to think that Superman is less likely to kill, because he has the boy scout persona while Batman relies on fear. I think they are both equally unlikely to kill for different reasons. Yet, it is Superman who has killed in the comics, not Batman.

@lvenger said:

It's been a big part of the character's moral compass that he doesn't kill. He gets called out on it time and time again yet refuses to do so even under extraneous circumstances in well written Superman stories.

It's just as big a part of Batman's moral code. Everything you just said applies equally true for Batman....

Posted by EvanTheMexiJew

I would've liked it much more if Jason Todd had saved Batman, or a least if Morrison had made his ideas a bit more clear, fleshing them out a little bit more. Meta-material? How did Spyral get so powerful? Why is Kathy Kane a part of it? Morrison should've gotten an 80 page, grand send off like Geoff Johns did. Instead he got the standard 25-30 issue, and had to wrap his epic up with a cheap, unexplained ending.

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Posted by Sleepbutnodream15

@evanthemexijew: Did you read volume 1 of Batman Inc? A couple issues were about her and her relationship with Spyral. And in Leviathan Strikes, they show that girls school that she ran.

Edited by InnerVenom123

Red and black. The joke and the punchline. Talia and Batman. Crime and the superhero.

The hole in things is this issue. It repeats forever, in a circle. Oroboro.

Batman and Robin will never die.

They're stuck in the hole in things: comics.

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