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AVX: Consequences #2 Review

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Cyclops is in prison to pay for the damage he committed with the Phoenix Force. How long will he survive and will he put up a fight to save his life?

The Good

Do we need a five part, five issue series dealing with the aftermath of a twelve issue series (that included countless tie in issues)? In way, we do. AVENGERS VS X-MEN didn't simply end with one side winning and another losing. Despite the Phoenix Five losing, the status quo for mutants has changed. Cyclops and the others did some highly questionable things and caused the death of many. There is a big question of whether or not the good outweighs the bad. Having a look at the actual repercussions of an event is a good thing. It adds more to the story and shows that everything won't always be neatly resolved.

Wolverine's visit to Cyclops in prison is where the analysis begins. These two have been at odds in a big way lately. The break down as to how each sees the way the recent events unfold is interesting and you'll wonder if this encounter will lead to the end of Cyclops.

It's an ugly situation that has been created. Cyclops has taken quite a big fall despite having accomplished a lot. There might still be arguments over whether or not he was right but you still have to consider the price that had to be paid and may still need to be paid.

There may not be the big heavy action here that we had in the AVX series but that's not what this is about. Looking at the characters this way shows us that there is some substance to everything that happened. We may have seen countless fight after fight during the arc but now we get to take a closer look at the motivation of those involved.

The Bad

Cyclops may have been going down a dark rode for a while but it's still hard to accept his fate. You can't help but feel that by the end of this, Cyclops will be forgiven (if he can survive). Haven't we seen him on a Marvel NOW! teaser?

I like how Cyclops actually is looking slim but it's a pretty rapid change from how he looked in AVX. It's mostly seen in his face. This is just a problem with the many different artists drawing him differently. If you look at the cover to this week's UNCANNY X-MEN, you can see Cyclops has a more square jaw but here, it's pointier. It's a minor problem but something that bugs me a little. Artist interpretation is one thing but sometimes it's hard to overlook the differences. But I do like the idea of Cyclops being less musclebound as he has been recently.

While the conversation between Scott and Logan was good, it started getting a little too whiney. At least we should be seeing more action next issue.

The Verdict

AVENGERS VS X-MEN may be over but there are still consequences to look at and deal with. Some may question whether or not this is necessary but with the number of civilians that died, it's important that this isn't just ignored. We have to hope that there won't be a neat and tidy ending for Cyclops at the end of this series. You have to wonder if there'll ever be an answer as to whether or not 'Cyclops was right.'

42 Comments
Posted by DATNIGGA

I love this book... & Cyke is awesome

Posted by Bestostero

I still don't understand why is it that Scarlet Witch gets a free pass for what she did and Cyclops and company have to suffer. Scarlet Witch killed people because of her actions too. What gives?

Edited by DATNIGGA

@Bestostero said:

I still don't understand why is it that Scarlet Witch gets a free pass for what she did and Cyclops and company have to suffer. Scarlet Witch killed people because of her actions too. What gives?

a few reasons...

Shes an avenger so she gets a free pass

Cap likes her so she gets a free pass

after the crime she disappeared

what she did wasn't on tv

& this is marvel

Posted by McKlayn

"We have to hope that there won't be a neat and tidy ending for Cyclops at the end of this series. You have to wonder if there'll ever be an answer as to whether or not 'Cyclops was right."

I already know the answer, yes he was.

Posted by FoxxFireArt

To me, Wolverine has become a giant hypocrite. Wolverine is a killer, but it always seems to have to be on his terms. He creates the Jean Grey school, but then keeps the X-Force black ops team to kill who needs to be taken out. He's not even possessed by some evil force of destruction.

You often find that every excuse is made for heroes who kill while being possessed by some other force. They weren't in their right mind. However, Iron Man was never held accountable for everything he did just becasue he rebooted his brain. Scarlet Witch nearly wiped out the mutant population. Sure she offered herself up, but what price did she actually pay for her selfish actions?

Do we need a five part, five issue series dealing with the aftermath of a twelve issue series (that included countless tie in issues)?

No, This should have been worked into the plot of the main AvX. You don't see authors putting out separate books to tell the prologue of a story.

Posted by x_29

He was right.

Posted by x_29

@Bestostero said:

I still don't understand why is it that Scarlet Witch gets a free pass for what she did and Cyclops and company have to suffer. Scarlet Witch killed people because of her actions too. What gives?

Because she is an avenger. Also, is there any real point in asking why now?

Posted by pxiao

@Bestostero: Well, it could be. After everything happened, the attack and reality warping. She went insane, powerless. Then she was manipulated by Doom(who started the mess), and almost married him, with her body being taken over by a demon. And she depowered mutants, we can dislike her for that, but is that really breaking the law. And she lost her powers at the time, not like she could do it again. Besides, the phoenix five effectively stated, if you fight again, we will kill you. And Namor and Emma did some really dark things.

Posted by KEROGA

SO AM A FAN OF CYCLOPS ,AND I KINDA DO BELIEVE HE WAS RIGHT BUT IS THIS SERIES WORTH BUYING???

Edited by sautor

Ciclops deserves prison cos he went and kill a gazillion ppl an has barely any remorse over it.

Wanda didnt go to priison cos she didnt kill anyone, or really few...the only thing she did was making mutants human... you know like everyone else, that is not a crime to my understanding,

Rot in prison ciclops ROT

Posted by HopesummersFORtheFUTURE

i fell bad for scott and the others maybe he will start his own brotherhood

Posted by judasnixon

FREE SCOTT!!! FREE SCOTT!!! FREE SCOTT"S HEAD FROM THAT DUMB ASS LOOKING HELMET!!!

Posted by JoseDRiveraTCR7

I like this issue, but there wasn't much to it. It felt a bit stretched. Good review.

Posted by Bestostero

@pxiao: Fine, Scarlet Witch was insane, but Cyclops and friends were possessed by the Phoenix Force and we all know what it did to Jean, so who's to say they were in complete control? In fact, Emma knew she wasn't in control and begged Cyclops to stop her before she murdered those people.

And also, many mutants died because of Scarlet Witch's "No more mutants". For example, Magma lost her boyfriend when they were both exploring a volcano.

Posted by WinterFreakinSoldier

@DATNIGGA said:

I love this book... & Cyke is awesome

Posted by x_29

@WinterFreakinSoldier said:

@DATNIGGA said:

I love this book... & Cyke is awesome

Damn. Cyclops was right...again.

Posted by DATNIGGA

@WinterFreakinSoldier said:

@DATNIGGA said:

I love this book... & Cyke is awesome

lol yeah i saw that already thats awesome

Cyke was right
Posted by notarandomguy

@DATNIGGA said:

@WinterFreakinSoldier said:

@DATNIGGA said:

I love this book... & Cyke is awesome

lol yeah i saw that already thats awesome

Cyke was right

I've always hated cyclops as a leader since I started reading New X-Men but he was an awesome character oh well... hell with my opinion!!! HE WAS RIGHT!!! (and I want that shirt)

Posted by Teerack

I like how the cover implies that cyclops couldn't beat all of those guys without his powers while hand cuffed :P

@notarandomguy: Is that real? Because I'll buy it.

Posted by BlackArmor

@WinterFreakinSoldier said:

@DATNIGGA said:

I love this book... & Cyke is awesome

That is the most awesome thing I've seen all day

Posted by Tony_Shark

Tony Stark was right about the Registration Arc, but everyone still hated him.

Also, Cyclops always talked about reviving the mutant gene... but I actually never saw him attempt to do such a thing in AvsX. He just kinda took over the world very smoothly... I don't know.

The difference between The Scarlet Witch, and Cyclops is that all the people she killed are now alive.

And, she kind of contributed to undo what she did all those years ago.

Posted by MisterKetch

Have they nailed down exactley where he is being held? Uncanny Avengers and Uncanny X Men both have him in different facilities from the one shown in consequences. In issue one he asks if he's been taken to the Raft only to be told no but they show him there in a different comic. DC editorial is apparently to strict and Marvel editorial apparently doesn't give a spit, is there a middle ground here?

oh and one last thing

HE WAS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Sleepbutnodream15

@Tony_Shark: He thought Hope would be the one to do it, so he spent all of his time protecting and preparing her for it. And what do you mean that all the people she killed are now alive? Even still, I feel like their situations are very similar.

Posted by Sleepbutnodream15

Cyclops is actually my favorite Marvel character, and I don't think it was fair how Wanda never punished for practically the same crimes, but I kinda like the idea of Cyclops in jail. He became a tragic hero, which is kinda cool since I've been watching his character kinda grow over the last couple years. Oh, and by the way, HE WAS RIGHT.

Posted by ssejllenrad

Cykes is still right... He was never wrong!!!!

Posted by Lokheit

Good read, Cyclops was right, and I like how he tells Logan he can't judge him because he learned from him to act that way.

My only problem is that reading Uncanny Avengers 20, then Scott wanting to martyr himself doesn't make much sense as in UXM (happening before this as the helmet is stated as being developed but not ready yet) he aknowledges he still have stuff to do, at least regarding a very specific character.

Oh, and I don't understand why Logan gets out of the discussion just because Scott asked about his adopted grand-daugter and his girlfirend... But I liked how Logan felt down when he realized what Scott was trying, the face and his words were very expressive on those panels.

I have the feeling Scott will get out of this in a better position than he's right now, and something tells me he could end up leading some sort of mutant thunderbolts to help with the new mutant emergence.

Also: The other prisoner looks like he has potential for the team!

Posted by lorex
@Tony_Shark said:
The difference between The Scarlet Witch, and Cyclops is that all the people she killed are now alive.
Sorry but thats not true. You may be thinking of the various named characters that she has killed the various times she has flipped out over the years, there you would be right but ther are many dead due to her actions. When Wanda declard 'No more mutants' there were mutants that were dependent on their powers to survive, or unable to defend themselves without their powers. Example at Xaviers when the majority of the students lost their powers and were getting on buses to be trnsported to the airport to go home to their families the Purifiers attcked and killed many of then and some of the kids that retained their powers. While Wanda did not kill the children directly she created the situation in which the Purifiers felt bold enough to try to strike out and kill the few remailing mutants in one fell swoop.
Posted by Mr_Athrilla

@sautor: She only killed a few? Lets see

-Any mutant that was de-powered mid flight plummeted to there death.

-Some depowered mutants were killed by there own governments just to be on the safe side

- and my personal favourite. After M day William Striker marched armed gunmen into the X-Mansion and killed 16 depowered children, and the big guns like Wolverine, Cyclops and Nightcrawler, were helpless to stop it. IMO that event is what set Cyplops on the dark path he on now. It was the day he realized that the Avengers just don't care.

Posted by Mr_Athrilla

Anybody remember the end of Siege where Thor and Ironman are locking up Norman Osborn and he starts ranting about how he's the only one that knows whats good for this country, and starts listing off the flaws of various heroes? Im paraphrasing but it went something like this:

-the Hulk will lose his temper at the wrong place and the wrong time and innocent people will pay the price

-The Punisher is gonna kill the wrong person and plunge this country into war

-Mutants will one day return, They'll rise up and overthrow humanity.

Man where can i get me a "Green Goblin was right...so far" T-shirt

Posted by ceniza

@DATNIGGA said:

@Bestostero said:

I still don't understand why is it that Scarlet Witch gets a free pass for what she did and Cyclops and company have to suffer. Scarlet Witch killed people because of her actions too. What gives?

a few reasons...

Shes an avenger so she gets a free pass

Cap likes her so she gets a free pass

after the crime she disappeared

what she did wasn't on tv

& this is marvel

what datnigga said. btw, Cyke was right.

Posted by SavageDragon

That variant cover is great.

Posted by chocobojam

I really love reading this issue because every conversation and exchange of opinions between cyclops and wolverine is a good read to me. And i really like what wolverine said to cyclops that: "only you can take all the fun out of wanting to murder someone you hate".

But since we now know that cyclops is right, the question now is: what will be the future of cyclops and his extinction team??

Posted by tchalla3000

Cyclops is going to have some revelation while in prison that makes him want to fight for mutants again. Cyke has been right since he kicked Xavier off the team. As far as Wolverine, he has no right to say anything to Cyclops, especially since Wolverine was sent to the X-Men to kill Xavier, and he wasn't in his right mind too.

Posted by Super_SoldierXII

@tchalla3000 said:

Cyclops is going to have some revelation while in prison that makes him want to fight for mutants again. Cyke has been right since he kicked Xavier off the team. As far as Wolverine, he has no right to say anything to Cyclops, especially since Wolverine was sent to the X-Men to kill Xavier, and he wasn't in his right mind too.

You're confusing Ultimate Earth with 616 Earth.

Unless the origin story was retconned and I missed the memo, I do not believe 616 Wolverine was sent in to assassinate Prof. X. Professor X specifically went to Dep. H to recruit Logan himself. So, I don't see how a change like that would work.

But yes, Wolverine's morals are questionable enough for him to be taking the moral highroad here insofar as taking life is concerned ... That said, I think it's cool that he's pissed and wants to take a piece out of Scott for killing Prof. X. There were few men Logan respected and cared for more than Prof X.

All the same, the writers should have taken a different angle and should definitely include the fact Cyclops was taken over by the Phoenix force and was in no way shape or form in his right mind. I mean, Logan's got to realize there is no way in hell Scott would kill Prof. X in his right mind.

I find it completely silly that the writers are choosing to treat Scott killing innocents and Prof. X as though it was all Scott acting independently of the Phoenix Force. He was possessed by the Dark Phoenix! Heck, it's Tony's fault he was taken by the Phoenix to begin with.

Finally, Scott is acting far too nonplussed and showing absolutely zero remorse after having killed a man he loved as his own father and mentor. Too me, that is either mishandling the character or something is up ... there is a loophole there that only Scott is aware of perhaps? That, or he's just turned into one hardhearted mother ...

Posted by Lokheit

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@tchalla3000 said:

Cyclops is going to have some revelation while in prison that makes him want to fight for mutants again. Cyke has been right since he kicked Xavier off the team. As far as Wolverine, he has no right to say anything to Cyclops, especially since Wolverine was sent to the X-Men to kill Xavier, and he wasn't in his right mind too.

You're confusing Ultimate Earth with 616 Earth.

Unless the origin story was retconned and I missed the memo, I do not believe 616 Wolverine was sent in to assassinate Prof. X. Professor X specifically went to Dep. H to recruit Logan himself. So, I don't see how a change like that would work.

I have to check it, but I belive in the Legacy/Wolverine crossovers where Xavier helps Wolverine with Daken, it is stated that Dep. H wanted Wolverine to kill Xavier and that's the reason they let him go and Wolvie threatening his official on the second genesis issue was just acting, but Xavier knew that and still wanted Logan so he could help him with his mental situation.

I think that's what happened but it has been a long time since I read that crossover.

Posted by GreenFuse

I'm going to read this when I get home tonight but...Cyke was right.

Posted by blackcobalt

@Super_SoldierXII said:

All the same, the writers should have taken a different angle and should definitely include the fact Cyclops was taken over by the Phoenix force and was in no way shape or form in his right mind. I mean, Logan's got to realize there is no way in hell Scott would kill Prof. X in his right mind.

I find it completely silly that the writers are choosing to treat Scott killing innocents and Prof. X as though it was all Scott acting independently of the Phoenix Force. He was possessed by the Dark Phoenix! Heck, it's Tony's fault he was taken by the Phoenix to begin with.

I'm pretty sure it was in this book Cyclops essentially tells Wolverine that he's a political prisoner and if they were to give him a fair trial he'd be acquitted.

Posted by lykopis

@Tony_Shark:

Hydro -- a student died in the pool that day. Plus, besides Magma's boyfriend dying while both were in the volcano together, there was a woman who's daughter drowned (I believe?) which made her want to hunt down someone or other. Sorry --- hopefully someone remembers more about this, I am too tired to look it up. ;p

Posted by Scantenii

No...Cyclops was not right... The real Cyclops would know this. I cannot wait until they stop writing Cyclops like a douchebag... Cyclops is not a Villain... Cyclops should be written as the mutant equivalent of Captain America... I cannot wait until they start writing him that way again...

Meanwhile Wolverine is being written like a arrogant bastard. Wolverine has killed 10 times the people Cyclops has. Wolverine is annoying. Stop it. seriously.

I have little hope that "Marvel Now" will make things better. I hope I am wrong. Nothing would make me happier to be wrong about my preconceived notions of what MN will be.

Posted by KarachiRiot

@DATNIGGA: Indeed more proof that the Avengers are bunch of crazy bigots who'll do whatever they want as long as it fits it their warped motives and morality. The free pas they gave to Scarlet Witch is ridiculous, yet they hunt Emma Frost and the other members of the Extinction Team etc. Ridiculous fanboyism by Marvel here on the part of the Avengers. Won't be surprised if in the next issue the Avengers are shouting mutant scum while stoning some mutant they don't like.

Edited by DATNIGGA

@Tony_Shark:

how was stark right about the registration act? that was a horrible law forcing hero's (US citizens) to sign with the government or be depowerd or imprisoned indefinitely in another plane of existence? How is that at all a good idea?

also scarlet witch & Hope brought back the X gene.. its unknown if they brought the dead people back... from how its sounds they turned the gene on inside of regular people

@Lokheit said:

Good read, Cyclops was right, and I like how he tells Logan he can't judge him because he learned from him to act that way.

My only problem is that reading Uncanny Avengers 20, then Scott wanting to martyr himself doesn't make much sense as in UXM (happening before this as the helmet is stated as being developed but not ready yet) he aknowledges he still have stuff to do, at least regarding a very specific character.

Oh, and I don't understand why Logan gets out of the discussion just because Scott asked about his adopted grand-daugter and his girlfirend... But I liked how Logan felt down when he realized what Scott was trying, the face and his words were very expressive on those panels.

I have the feeling Scott will get out of this in a better position than he's right now, and something tells me he could end up leading some sort of mutant thunderbolts to help with the new mutant emergence.

Also: The other prisoner looks like he has potential for the team!

Uncanny seems to have timing issues with other books & is somewhat written differently though aiming to tell the same story... its confusing at times

I don't get that either... that confused me as well

@Scantenii said:

No...Cyclops was not right... The real Cyclops would know this. I cannot wait until they stop writing Cyclops like a douchebag... Cyclops is not a Villain... Cyclops should be written as the mutant equivalent of Captain America... I cannot wait until they start writing him that way again...

Meanwhile Wolverine is being written like a arrogant bastard. Wolverine has killed 10 times the people Cyclops has. Wolverine is annoying. Stop it. seriously.

I have little hope that "Marvel Now" will make things better. I hope I am wrong. Nothing would make me happier to be wrong about my preconceived notions of what MN will be.

2 questions & 1 statement

1) who is this REAL cyclops you speak of.. we have the real Cyclops years of death & mutant suffering brought to evolve his character to the way he is today

2) why do you think he isn't right?

3) yeah cyke isnt a villain... but you should know anyone who stands against captain Americas beliefs is considered a villain... because captain america is ALWAYS right even when hes dead wrong

@KarachiRiot said:

@DATNIGGA: Indeed more proof that the Avengers are bunch of crazy bigots who'll do whatever they want as long as it fits it their warped motives and morality. The free pas they gave to Scarlet Witch is ridiculous, yet they hunt Emma Frost and the other members of the Extinction Team etc. Ridiculous fanboyism by Marvel here on the part of the Avengers. Won't be surprised if in the next issue the Avengers are shouting mutant scum while stoning some mutant they don't like.

Amen.. really in marvel the avengers can pretty much do whatever they feel like it...

if captain america thinks stan lee is a villain & should be imprisoned in the negative zone... well thats whats going to happen

Posted by jmills

I think you're almost correct. Wolverine was definitely sent to assassinate Charles Xavier, but I think the real person pulling the strings in that situation was Romulus, not Department H. Even if Department H was set-up to look like they were running the show, it was Romulus in the shadows that was really gunning for Xavier as Romulus saw him as powerful enough to mess with his plans.