Avengers Vs. X-Men #7 - Round 7

I dislike Fraction and I dislike his writing. I'm tired of these crossovers that are obviously not well thought-out.

It is almost like they know how it is going to end, but decide to drag out the ending as long as they can.

Okay I finally can say that I consider this event from terrible to okay.

I really like the idea of the Avengers being on the run and Cap rallying everyone together. I also absolutely love Scarlet Witch. She has the potential to really eff things up.

this has been a great issue. i read each pannel with the utmost interest and found myself wanting more and more until it ended and i was like only 2 weeks. i can swing that. stuff is really happening. buy it.

The series is actually pretty good now, but it's like.. the X-men have pretty much been bad guys for the whole series :/ Not too crazy bout that, I'd like if the avengers were slightly more vilified at the beginning (or maybe the X-men made more sympathetic) for act one and now it's the other way around or something.

@G-Man said:

I really like the idea of the Avengers being on the run and Cap rallying everyone together. I also absolutely love Scarlet Witch. She has the potential to really eff things up.

Yea, I agree mostly I just dont like caps attitude that's all.

@JohnnyGat said:

Okay I finally can say that I consider this event from terrible to okay.

Most definitely! But I'm still taking an Objective standpoint/ Point Of View

I am with the Avengers

I am with the X-Men

Do we have I don't care option like we had on Civil War?

Or we are all fd up when the Hulk gets back.

I have to admit the artwork is great, the action sequences look great and the character design seems good on the most part but, theres always a but, i don't like the age reversal of hope, to me the scenes she was in makes her seem like a schoolgirl to early teen, yet in the run up till now she appeared mid teen to possibly early adult, im sure its down to the choice of clothes but still throws even more confusion over her age.

The issue as a whole however is good and i feel like its building overall, similarly however i wonder how cyclops is going to walk away from this...

@feargalr: it kinda feels like the Avengers were the bad guys during the last issue and parts of this one. In the last issue, it almost felt they were trying to stop the X-Men just because they didn't want them to be seen as top dogs, as opposed their alleged reason of wanting to have checks and balances/not thinking the phoenix could be controlled.

I'm still not gonna get any of this series.

Phoenixpoint? 

@Mucklefluga said:

I'm still not gonna get any of this series.

do you hear that? those are people not caring.

@Bathos1: Coipel has a tendency to draw non-adult characters as children. However, at least it's not big-breasted-looks-as-buxom-as-Rogue Hope we've been seeing by other artists!

I still don't think this event was good at all! they ruined the phoenix force, and i still call shenanigans on some of the matchups and results. i havent been impressed with this storyline, nothing really wowed me yet.

@Bestostero: quickly somebody call marvel!! bestostero isnt wowed!!!

Am i the only one who is super scared for Transonic now?

Because she really, really doesn't deserve a grizzly fate. Especially compared to most of the heroes in this event.

@KainScion: your talk, i like it. anotheeer

@Cafeterialoca: yes you are. beloved hawkeye was done extra crispy. she can die for all i care. HAMMER TIME!. she's the bitchiest and most annoying of the bunch anyway.

Isn't this a comic book forum? I imagine people could come here and discuss whether or not they liked the issue or not without having to constantly receive sarcastic comments in return. If marvel would give these books out for free from the kindness of their hearts I would tell people to be grateful. But this is a service of entertainment like any other that we pay for (a tad more than we should at times) and as consumers we have the right to review and critique this service as well as expect a certain level of enjoyment. Read previous comments if you are not sure who this is for.

@KainScion said:

@Mucklefluga said:

I'm still not gonna get any of this series.

do you hear that? those are people not caring.

@KainScion: @Cafeterialoca: Why would the Avengers kill her? You think Cap would let em do that?

And Hawkeye isn't dead. They said that in the issue. Cyclops was healing him after Emma toasted him. Namor wanted him killed though.

@Cafeterialoca said:

Am i the only one who is super scared for Transonic now?

Because she really, really doesn't deserve a grizzly fate. Especially compared to most of the heroes in this event.

Yeah she was the only character not to get an arc in Generation Hope and her character is almost totally unexplored, if she dies or gets really hurt I am going to be pissed.

Overall though, I am really liking the direction the series has gone in, it is actually pretty good.

@KainScion said:

@Cafeterialoca: yes you are. beloved hawkeye was done extra crispy. she can die for all i care. HAMMER TIME!. she's the bitchiest and most annoying of the bunch anyway.

Hawkeye is suffering from Wolverine Syndrome so pick up any other big Marvel book and he will be there so you can get your fix.

Damn, there's no changing opinions about this event anymore for a lot of people. I thought issues 2-5 were pretty weak, but 1 was solid, and I thought 6+7 were awesome. Maybe if Marvel didn't hype this up as much they did, more people would like. But like I said, these last 2 issues were pretty exciting.

Why they bring back the Vision??From the day he came back is a boxing bag to everyone!!First was Osborn,next was Captain Marvel(in secret Avengers) and now Havok and Polaris!!He was powerful and one of the best Avengers ever!!why they make him like a puppet?

I have to say I did like the little moment when Wanda tells a certain insufferable someone else to take Phoenix-hike.

@Sleepbutnodream15 said:

Damn, there's no changing opinions about this event anymore for a lot of people. I thought issues 2-5 were pretty weak, but 1 was solid, and I thought 6+7 were awesome. Maybe if Marvel didn't hype this up as much they did, more people would like. But like I said, these last 2 issues were pretty exciting.

I have been loving this entire event, but I can see where you (and others) are coming from re: some issues being a bit weak.

However, I think that's been balanced out by some of the really strong/focused tie-in issues (especially the X-Men ones & Secret Avengers). I think it'll be interesting when everything comes out in trade that can be read in the right order and in single / a few sittings.

@Cafeterialoca: It's also kinda interesting that they captured her too, because she's kinda Hope's best friend, and now they're in the same place.

This event has gone from a joke to pretty exciting. The scenes with Magik, Emma, and Namor (vs Scarlet Witch) were sick. Loved the artwork.

Although I'm loving the Phoenix Five (I wish they'd become a permanent thing actually...just tone them down lol) I'm not liking how they're twisting the Phoenix lore. The fact that Stark just whips up a Phoenix Buster suit is ridiculous. All this stuff with Iron Fist and the Scarlet Witch being connected to the PF...not liking it.

I'm rooting for the X-Men. Never been into the Avengers so they can burn. They've had a big movie. That's enough :)

@KainScion said:

@Cafeterialoca: yes you are. beloved hawkeye was done extra crispy. she can die for all i care. HAMMER TIME!. she's the bitchiest and most annoying of the bunch anyway.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! HOW?!

@KainScion: You have contradicted yourself by replying which in itself is caring.

@Cafeterialoca said:

Am i the only one who is super scared for Transonic now?

Because she really, really doesn't deserve a grizzly fate. Especially compared to most of the heroes in this event.

I'm scared for her too.

@Cafeterialoca said:

@KainScion said:

@Cafeterialoca: yes you are. beloved hawkeye was done extra crispy. she can die for all i care. HAMMER TIME!. she's the bitchiest and most annoying of the bunch anyway.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! HOW?!

generation x has been a huge letdown.

This was the worst issue since the book started. Everything was disjointed and unfocused. Issue 6 was the only bright spot in the entire crossover. The art was great though, except for the fact that Hope was drawn like a 7 year old instead of a 17 year old.

This was far from a 4/5 issue, far from it.

Did Scarlet Witch just own Phoenix all by herself? lol. Wanda is awesome.

1. I know Fraction has his fanbase, but I'm not a fan of his writing.

2. Surprisingly, Scott came off as the most noble of the Phoenix Five.

@JoseDRiveraTCR7 said:

1. I know Fraction has his fanbase, but I'm not a fan of his writing.

2. Surprisingly, Scott came off as the most noble of the Phoenix Five.

I enjoy Fraction quite a bit more than I used to, and yeah I fail to see what G-Man meant by Cyclops becoming more "extreme".

Cyclops' speeches are getting more extreme. It's due to the Phoenix Force's presence but you have to wonder how Cyclops will walk away from this at the end of the story.

Not wanting to kill people who disagree with him, going out of his way to heal Hawkeye and berate Emma for nearly killing him, and tellling off Namor for being a warmonger is extreme?

Cyclops is clearly the most stable of the bunch, along with Magik. Emma and Namor are the closest to being corrupted Dark Phoenix style (as I've been saying all along). No surprise with Mr. Imperious Rex, and Emma is the one manipulating him into invading Wakanda. Now that's extreme.

To my great suprise I enjoyed this issue. I bought a digital version because I wanted to see Polaris and the Scarlet Witch, marvel's two most well known sisters, interact talk, something after eight years of waiting....and there was nothing. But Tony Stark got clattered by T'Challa. I've wanting to reach into comic books since Civil War and do that too so it was nice to live vicariously through T'Challa. Tony Stark what an arrogant asshole.

I think the art was a bit rushed but generally speaking I thought it was really good. I think Colossus was a bad choice for a Phoenix host though. He's just not an interesting character. Whedon should never have brought him back. Dying was the most interesting thing that character ever did.

Poor Clint Barton, he always gets the shaft. XD

@Sleepbutnodream15: Youre saying that the Avengers should let 5 beings with supposedly unlimited power and god complexes run around "fixing" the world? Especially when the force powering them has a history of completely wiping out countless planets and corrupting its host? The Avenger's reasons for wanting to stop the Phoenix Five are comepletley reasonable.

@ApatheticAvenger said:

@JoseDRiveraTCR7 said:

1. I know Fraction has his fanbase, but I'm not a fan of his writing.

2. Surprisingly, Scott came off as the most noble of the Phoenix Five.

I enjoy Fraction quite a bit more than I used to, and yeah I fail to see what G-Man meant by Cyclops becoming more "extreme".

Cyclops' speeches are getting more extreme. It's due to the Phoenix Force's presence but you have to wonder how Cyclops will walk away from this at the end of the story.

Not wanting to kill people who disagree with him, going out of his way to heal Hawkeye and berate Emma for nearly killing him, and tellling off Namor for being a warmonger is extreme?

Cyclops is clearly the most stable of the bunch, along with Magik. Emma and Namor are the closest to being corrupted Dark Phoenix style (as I've been saying all along). No surprise with Mr. Imperious Rex, and Emma is the one manipulating him into invading Wakanda. Now that's extreme.

IDK, Fraction doesn't seem to be for me. I first I thought his X-Men run was just a bad fluke because people said how good some of his other works are, but I tried his Iron-Man, Thor, and Defenders, and the guy isn't for me.

I understand where G-Man is coming from because let's be honest, the Phoenix 5 are, or are going to be, the villians of this story. Still, Cyclops, surprisingly, came off as the most decent one in the bunch. I had imagined that Marvel will go full out and have Scott try to kill all of the Avengers.

@KainScion said:

@Cafeterialoca: yes you are. beloved hawkeye was done extra crispy. she can die for all i care. HAMMER TIME!. she's the bitchiest and most annoying of the bunch anyway.

And I mean, really, Hawkeye is getting his own book, yet Transonic is the bitchiest and most annoying? I'm sorry, did we read the right Dark Reign, where Hawkeye whined about Norman Osborn and tried to take his life and needlessly got himself captured?

In fact, have you even READ Transonic? Or are you shrugging her off as a girl?

@Sleepbutnodream15: You never know what could happen. She's in a horrible spot right now.

@pspin : She really was the best character to come out of Generation Hope. It would be an absolute waste to kill her!

@Sleepbutnodream15: Which is cool. I really hope they acknowledge it.

@KainScion: Generation HOPE you mean. And I hardly see why that should be held against her character. I mean, out of all the X-Men, she has done very few mean things to the other members. In fact, Idie wouldn't be with Wolverine if it wasn't for Laurie.

@Cafeterialoca: in my opinion she is a suckie character. i was in heaven when hope punched her. 'now you got something to whine about'

My Comic store is close today so I'm getting my books tomorrow

I dig the change in artist for the series.. but sometimes I wonder if artists are even drawing the same characters. Hope looks like a little girl instead of a young woman.

@KainScion: I disagree. I think she's great. She's constantly trying to seem smart, but no one pays attention to her, and bad things happen to her even though she doesn't deserve it. She was learning and getting better. She was almost like a leader that one issue.

@Cafeterialoca: no. shes a moron. stuck up moron. she does nothing. she contributes nothing. shes just there. and annoys. i think you just like blue naked chicks.

@JoseDRiveraTCR7 said:

I understand where G-Man is coming from because let's be honest, the Phoenix 5 are, or are going to be, the villians of this story. Still, Cyclops, surprisingly, came off as the most decent one in the bunch. I had imagined that Marvel will go full out and have Scott try to kill all of the Avengers.

In a lot of ways, Cyclops is the tragic hero of this story. He's trying to do the right thing, what he thinks is best for the world and mutantkind. It's just putting him at odds with Captain America and the Avengers, and he is blinded to the machinations of the Phoenix Force itself. Scott clearly wants a lack of bloodshed, he just wants the Avengers disbanded so they'll leave the mutant race in peace. However, the Avengers are also justified in being wary of the Phoenix Five and their god-like power.

Hope realized she needed to fulfill her destiny and find a way to harness the Phoenix herself (which is what she's doing with Iron Fist currently) so she can save the X-Men from the Phoenix's darker influences. Cyclops will be the one to see reason I feel, while Emma will be consumed by her darker emotions and lash out at the Avengers (she's already severely injured Hawkeye and manipulated Namor into invading Wakanda, clearly she is on a path to Dark Phoenix territory).

@KainScion: MORON?! Hardly! She wants to be seen as smart. She fought for Idie's safety. She voiced concerns over Hope's actions over the rest of the team. Hell, she thought for herself! Honestly, if you don't like her, fine, but she's a lot more value than someone like Spider-Woman, who would whine about her hair products when Avengers Tower fell!

@Cafeterialoca:

And I really hope they come up some better use of the AR app, because the little recap video and the constant "pencil-to-paper" things really aren't making it worth the 13 megs of my phone it takes up. And besides, it still barely works half the time.