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Avengers Vs. X-Men #6 - Round 6

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The tables have turned as the Phoenix Force has found multiple hosts. What this will mean for the Avengers and the world remain to be seen. The battle isn't over yet.

The series has taken a new direction as the playing field has changed. Several X-Men are now powered by the Phoenix Force so does that mean there's no hope for the Avengers?

The Good

This series has definitely had its ups and downs. The idea of both teams fighting each other over Hope Summers and the arrival of the Phoenix Force set the stage for a grim battle. What resulted was a series of brief glimpses at fights between members of both teams. We've been seeing Cyclops and Captain America stand their ground in what they believe is the correct course of action. Cyclops has been making several speeches on how mutants are now being persecuted and all this is really just a way to try to control or hold mutantkind down.

With the Phoenix Force fragmented and attaching to five different X-Men, there's a new set of questions raised. The Phoenix Force was always too much for one person to contain. Could the fact that it's split make it more manageable? Then again, if the Phoenix Force is near infinite power, dividing infinity by five still results in an infinite amount of power that could be too much. We also have to look at why were these five chosen by the writers? Are they the perfect choice to contain the power or is one or more a weak link in this chain that will result in the inevitable catastrophic outcome?

While the issue deals with the newly powered X-Men using their power and the reaction of the Avengers and world, it's clear that something else is brewing. Besides the X-Men and the Avengers, we still have two unknown factors: Scarlet Witch and Lei Kung. Also, if you've seen the previous teaser for this second half of the series, you have an idea of something else coming.

This issue also brings about a change in the art team. Olivier Coipel, Mark Morales and Laura Martin make this feel like a completely different series. There are a lot of characters here and it's great to see Coipel's interpretations of everyone along with the fact that several X-Men and Avengers have been given tweaks in their costumes due to the circumstances of the story. It almost feels as if we're seeing a bunch of action figure variants with all the familiar characters, but in a good way. Marvel's marketing team should have been all over this in terms of merchandise to tie into this crossover.

The Bad

Gradually we've been seeing Cyclops become more and more…extreme in his way of thinking. He does have the future and survival of mutants on his mind but often feels as if his decisions and comments are rooted in hysteria. He has a big burden on his shoulders and clearly he's reminded of the loss of Jean Grey and most likely even Cable while trying to do what he thinks is best for Hope and mutants.

Speaking of Cable, we're still waiting for hints of events leading to that desolate future Cable saw in AVENGERS: X-SANCTION. Are we going to see all the tech used that Cable and Blaquesmith discovered in the Avengers Mansion in the future?

It's clear that the Avengers can't just sit back and watch the X-Men operate with the power of the Phoenix Force but I can't tell if it's admirable or insane that they think they can stand a chance fighting against the X-Men in possession of the power.

The Verdict

This is starting to feel like a completely different series for several reasons. Besides the change in art from John Romita Jr. to Olivier Coipel, the structure of the series has changed. Thankfully we're not seeing random battle after battle between members of both teams and it's back to feeling like there is more of a story going on instead of just seeing match ups that fans may have been wanting to see. The odds are not stacked against the Avengers but that adds to the suspense of the story. In the first few issues, it felt as if the Avengers kept getting the upper hand. Now that the tables have completely turned, we're back to wondering how the entire series will unfold. I started losing interest but I am hooked once again. With other players besides the X-Men and Avengers starting to show their hands, we're getting a sense that this could be the big story that it was meant to be. There are many unknowns and I am back to being kept in suspense waiting to see what's next. The series is back on track to where I want it to be. Thankfully we only have to wait two weeks for the next issue.

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@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@scotsman151 said:

@Dernman:

What is your actual argument for the Avengers being in the right though? All you're saying really is that if us x-fans don't see why we're wrong then we won't, but you've not exactly gave a strong argument to prove us wrong otherwise.

I feel like I have debated my argument a million times on this site and a few others. Honestly tired of going around in circles that's why I didn't directly address anyone and mentioned my question was rhetorical. Don't feel like I'm blowing you off because I don't mean too. I'm just tired of trying to change peoples opinion and debating it. Now I'm just expressing my own thoughts.

You don't need to change anyone's opinion.Simply state why you think the X-men are wrong.I'm not even an X-fan but after reading the book its clear they did nothing wrong.Yes,Scott and Steve have done silly things throughout the event but right now Steve and his cohorts are simply butt-hurt that the status quo has changed and are not even trying to actively work alongside the X-men but instead are pursuing their own agenda.T'challa and Beast clearly did not support their course of action for that very reason.

sigh

...and yet all you keep doing is beating around the bush.Simply state what you think and that's it.

Beating around what bush? I have expressed what I think in the past to death and now I'm done.

Er....yeah you have but no one here was privy to that were we? No.

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@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@scotsman151 said:

@Dernman:

What is your actual argument for the Avengers being in the right though? All you're saying really is that if us x-fans don't see why we're wrong then we won't, but you've not exactly gave a strong argument to prove us wrong otherwise.

I feel like I have debated my argument a million times on this site and a few others. Honestly tired of going around in circles that's why I didn't directly address anyone and mentioned my question was rhetorical. Don't feel like I'm blowing you off because I don't mean too. I'm just tired of trying to change peoples opinion and debating it. Now I'm just expressing my own thoughts.

You don't need to change anyone's opinion.Simply state why you think the X-men are wrong.I'm not even an X-fan but after reading the book its clear they did nothing wrong.Yes,Scott and Steve have done silly things throughout the event but right now Steve and his cohorts are simply butt-hurt that the status quo has changed and are not even trying to actively work alongside the X-men but instead are pursuing their own agenda.T'challa and Beast clearly did not support their course of action for that very reason.

sigh

...and yet all you keep doing is beating around the bush.Simply state what you think and that's it.

Beating around what bush? I have expressed what I think in the past to death and now I'm done.

Er....yeah you have but no one here was privy to that were we? No.

I'm sure they will live. :p

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@scotsman151: @scotsman151 said:

@Dernman:

What is your actual argument for the Avengers being in the right though? All you're saying really is that if us x-fans don't see why we're wrong then we won't, but you've not exactly gave a strong argument to prove us wrong otherwise.

This! I fail to see logic that we x-fans are delusional fanboys.

Even Captain Fascist's own teammates are abandoning him due to his reckless actions. I can't see any reasonable arguments to defend Earth's Mightiest Idiots.

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@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@scotsman151 said:

@Dernman:

What is your actual argument for the Avengers being in the right though? All you're saying really is that if us x-fans don't see why we're wrong then we won't, but you've not exactly gave a strong argument to prove us wrong otherwise.

I feel like I have debated my argument a million times on this site and a few others. Honestly tired of going around in circles that's why I didn't directly address anyone and mentioned my question was rhetorical. Don't feel like I'm blowing you off because I don't mean too. I'm just tired of trying to change peoples opinion and debating it. Now I'm just expressing my own thoughts.

You don't need to change anyone's opinion.Simply state why you think the X-men are wrong.I'm not even an X-fan but after reading the book its clear they did nothing wrong.Yes,Scott and Steve have done silly things throughout the event but right now Steve and his cohorts are simply butt-hurt that the status quo has changed and are not even trying to actively work alongside the X-men but instead are pursuing their own agenda.T'challa and Beast clearly did not support their course of action for that very reason.

sigh

...and yet all you keep doing is beating around the bush.Simply state what you think and that's it.

Beating around what bush? I have expressed what I think in the past to death and now I'm done.

Er....yeah you have but no one here was privy to that were we? No.

I'm sure they will live. :p

Sorry to quote the lot of you, but it's the easiest way to join in.

I think, personally, what Cap did was the right thing. Scott was going overboard and was, most likely, clouded by his own personal feelings towards the Phoenix Force (you know, with his relation to Jean). I mean, if you go back and read Phoenix: Endsong, he was ridiculously intent on murdering that thing, even if it was Jean. So much so that he didn't care about the safety of his teammates. In this instance, AvX that is, he doesn't care that his father, Cable, spent the entirety of a decade protecting Hope. He was fully prepared to get rid of Hope if worse came to worst.

Cap, on the other hand, wanted Hope to live and wanted a peaceful way out of the conflict. He understands that the Phoenix Force is exceptionally powerful and capable of reducing planets to rubble, but he still wasn't prepared to sacrifice one for the greater good - that's not how he rolls. He's got the 'no one gets left behind attitude'.

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@Augment said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@scotsman151 said:

@Dernman:

What is your actual argument for the Avengers being in the right though? All you're saying really is that if us x-fans don't see why we're wrong then we won't, but you've not exactly gave a strong argument to prove us wrong otherwise.

I feel like I have debated my argument a million times on this site and a few others. Honestly tired of going around in circles that's why I didn't directly address anyone and mentioned my question was rhetorical. Don't feel like I'm blowing you off because I don't mean too. I'm just tired of trying to change peoples opinion and debating it. Now I'm just expressing my own thoughts.

You don't need to change anyone's opinion.Simply state why you think the X-men are wrong.I'm not even an X-fan but after reading the book its clear they did nothing wrong.Yes,Scott and Steve have done silly things throughout the event but right now Steve and his cohorts are simply butt-hurt that the status quo has changed and are not even trying to actively work alongside the X-men but instead are pursuing their own agenda.T'challa and Beast clearly did not support their course of action for that very reason.

sigh

...and yet all you keep doing is beating around the bush.Simply state what you think and that's it.

Beating around what bush? I have expressed what I think in the past to death and now I'm done.

Er....yeah you have but no one here was privy to that were we? No.

I'm sure they will live. :p

Sorry to quote the lot of you, but it's the easiest way to join in.

I think, personally, what Cap did was the right thing. Scott was going overboard and was, most likely, clouded by his own personal feelings towards the Phoenix Force (you know, with his relation to Jean). I mean, if you go back and read Phoenix: Endsong, he was ridiculously intent on murdering that thing, even if it was Jean. So much so that he didn't care about the safety of his teammates. In this instance, AvX that is, he doesn't care that his father, Cable, spent the entirety of a decade protecting Hope. He was fully prepared to get rid of Hope if worse came to worst.

Cap, on the other hand, wanted Hope to live and wanted a peaceful way out of the conflict. He understands that the Phoenix Force is exceptionally powerful and capable of reducing planets to rubble, but he still wasn't prepared to sacrifice one for the greater good - that's not how he rolls. He's got the 'no one gets left behind attitude'.

Bro,Scott doesn't want to KILL Hope.In fact Wolverine wanted to TWICE.Cyke believes the phoenix force is what would reignite the mutant race and yes he does sound like a fanatic sometimes but what has he actually done wrong? Steve on the other hand who doesn't have as much experience dealing with the Phoenix has failed with his plan and the next thing is to go in there AGAIN and try to kidnap Hope to be used as a guinea pig to find a way to stop the P5.When T'challa and Beast are the voice of reason then truly you are screwed.The Avengers simply want to do it their own way.Ask yourself this, if the roles were reversed would the whole world including the X-men not accept Steve if he were embodied by the Phoenix? Steve simply does not trust Scott and its understandable to an extent but when they have done absolutely nothing wrong instead are helping the world and you still feel they are wrong well that's just being retarded.

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Doesn't matter, Batman will roll through with a can of Phoenix repellent and save the day.

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Best issue so far. This story is really picking up. I hope we can see more of Storm's roll in all this soon.

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I'm actually on The Scarlet Witches side. I think everyone has forgotten about her but she and Hope may be the key to the whole thing remember what happened at the end people with her.

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@Blonde shadow said:

I'm actually on The Scarlet Witches side. I think everyone has forgotten about her but she and Hope may be the key to the whole thing remember what happened at the end people with her.

Her and hope end up fighting just so you know :p

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@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Augment said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Dernman said:

@scotsman151 said:

@Dernman:

What is your actual argument for the Avengers being in the right though? All you're saying really is that if us x-fans don't see why we're wrong then we won't, but you've not exactly gave a strong argument to prove us wrong otherwise.

I feel like I have debated my argument a million times on this site and a few others. Honestly tired of going around in circles that's why I didn't directly address anyone and mentioned my question was rhetorical. Don't feel like I'm blowing you off because I don't mean too. I'm just tired of trying to change peoples opinion and debating it. Now I'm just expressing my own thoughts.

You don't need to change anyone's opinion.Simply state why you think the X-men are wrong.I'm not even an X-fan but after reading the book its clear they did nothing wrong.Yes,Scott and Steve have done silly things throughout the event but right now Steve and his cohorts are simply butt-hurt that the status quo has changed and are not even trying to actively work alongside the X-men but instead are pursuing their own agenda.T'challa and Beast clearly did not support their course of action for that very reason.

sigh

...and yet all you keep doing is beating around the bush.Simply state what you think and that's it.

Beating around what bush? I have expressed what I think in the past to death and now I'm done.

Er....yeah you have but no one here was privy to that were we? No.

I'm sure they will live. :p

Sorry to quote the lot of you, but it's the easiest way to join in.

I think, personally, what Cap did was the right thing. Scott was going overboard and was, most likely, clouded by his own personal feelings towards the Phoenix Force (you know, with his relation to Jean). I mean, if you go back and read Phoenix: Endsong, he was ridiculously intent on murdering that thing, even if it was Jean. So much so that he didn't care about the safety of his teammates. In this instance, AvX that is, he doesn't care that his father, Cable, spent the entirety of a decade protecting Hope. He was fully prepared to get rid of Hope if worse came to worst.

Cap, on the other hand, wanted Hope to live and wanted a peaceful way out of the conflict. He understands that the Phoenix Force is exceptionally powerful and capable of reducing planets to rubble, but he still wasn't prepared to sacrifice one for the greater good - that's not how he rolls. He's got the 'no one gets left behind attitude'.

Bro,Scott doesn't want to KILL Hope.In fact Wolverine wanted to TWICE.Cyke believes the phoenix force is what would reignite the mutant race and yes he does sound like a fanatic sometimes but what has he actually done wrong? Steve on the other hand who doesn't have as much experience dealing with the Phoenix has failed with his plan and the next thing is to go in there AGAIN and try to kidnap Hope to be used as a guinea pig to find a way to stop the P5.When T'challa and Beast are the voice of reason then truly you are screwed.The Avengers simply want to do it their own way.Ask yourself this, if the roles were reversed would the whole world including the X-men not accept Steve if he were embodied by the Phoenix? Steve simply does not trust Scott and its understandable to an extent but when they have done absolutely nothing wrong instead are helping the world and you still feel they are wrong well that's just being retarded.

Ah, my bad. I think I missed the whole "she's the future of mutant kind" thing. xD

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@Hareil0079: Oh I didn't know oh crap everyone is screwed then if Hope taps into Wanda's powers

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There's a saying that "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." And the PhoeniX-Men (I'm not calling them the Phoenix Five. No originality.) are already showing signs that they're teetering over the edge. Helping crops grow and cleaning up water sources is one thing, but to unilaterally dictate in one motion how all nations should act towards one another is nothing short of totalitarianism. They WILL go one step too far. That's assured.

Now, even though I am firmly in the Avengers corner, I will admit; Thor's gut-punch to Velocidad: dick move.

Oh, and the idea of Iron Fist playing a key, central role in an event of this scale makes me giddy.

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@Pbott: MURDERED? Do you even understand the meaning of the word? Mutants were cured and considering how elitist marvel is it was mostly all of the "monstrous" mutants and most of the were happy. No person like being justifiably feared when they don't want to be. Now fans think that the existence of mutants a genetic deformity is a good thing? This is what happens when you let a group that is supposed to be a metaphor for all minorities and homosexuals become an empowerment fantasy for fans.

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Did anyone else think Coipel's Hope looked significantly younger? and she had a HUGE head in this issue. I kinda wish Coipel drew the whole series, I normally love Romita but it seriously feels like he's not trying to draw well at all anymore. Foreground is always awesome but the quality of his art degrades the further it gets to the background. There were certain panels in the last couple of issues where the backgrounds were so bad that it looked like Jackie Chan Adventures.

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@Lokheit: Magneto has express his worry nearly every issues (even said he is worried), and other issues before AvX

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Apocalypse is an big militant dictator thrives on Control, Cyke is becoming like that, worse than magneto. its building! If its not his will , he destroys or attacks or eliminates and take a look at the last panel in new AvX issue! cyclops will become this!

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Huh. This series really is pitting Avenger vs X-Man. Namely here on the message boards.

I am surprised, but I don't think I should be. :D

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I think the character that irked me the most in this issue was the suit in the White House. I'm sorry, but I really didn't buy his little speech in the least. While he may believe in "mankind's history of forward progress," what he probably really means is he "believes in mankind's history of forward progress just so long as suits like him get to guide it." In turn "the world works because there has always been some outlying culture of accountability," most likely translates to "the world works because those who we can keep oppressed, stay oppressed."

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@Sleepbutnodream15: I'am with Babs on this, segments of near infinite power is still pretty much near infinite power each. The whole purpose of the omega class only bei gable to hold it if i remember was due to this. So it would take a massively depowered phoenix for then alphas to contain.

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@theicon: on this issue Magneto doesn't show any worries for him, and just before it, on Uncanny X-Men 13, he and other X-Men on earth wished the best for them in the Moon. He has adviced Scott about not doing what he did, but he has never really worried about him becoming a new villian.

And the Apocalypse comparison is completly out of place. What Scott is doing, and how Scott is doing it is completly different from Apocalypse's actions. Scott hasn't done anything bad yet, and soon he will attack the avengers, yes, but just after them attacking the x-men 2 times even when the x-men have nearly achieved global peace AND send their members to save the Avengers like Colossus saving them from the Zzzax army, but the avengers NEED to be the ones saving the day so they can't tolerate others doing it 300 times better on a global scale so they will push the X-Men so they attack them and then the X-Men are the bad guys.

A lot of political conflicts had been done that way, a side pushes the other to make them explode and then point them as the bad guys. The Avengers can't accept others having the power to save the earth because they think they're the only ones wise enough to make the right decission (and their most intelligent members leaving the boat indicates that they're not acting wise, they're being totally dumb).

Anything that happens now is what the Avengers have caused by themselves, not Scott being a dictator or anthing like that.

PS: And that image was a teaser that wasn't even related with what happened during Fear Itself... Marvel have done a lot of misleading teasers, like that one with Emma breaking Scott visor when teasing the Dark Illuminati and Dark X-Men.

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@sparty-dbq said:

There's a saying that "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." And the PhoeniX-Men (I'm not calling them the Phoenix Five. No originality.) are already showing signs that they're teetering over the edge. Helping crops grow and cleaning up water sources is one thing, but to unilaterally dictate in one motion how all nations should act towards one another is nothing short of totalitarianism. They WILL go one step too far. That's assured.

Now, even though I am firmly in the Avengers corner, I will admit; Thor's gut-punch to Velocidad: dick move.

Oh, and the idea of Iron Fist playing a key, central role in an event of this scale makes me giddy.

This is what I was thinking. The X-Men have taken over the world and cyclops probably has realized this. Too much power will corrupt almost any person (and giving power to cyclops in that magnitude is just insane). For a moment i though that this was perfect, that the X-Men were doing something right but....humanity cannot live under the control of divine level people who share human emotion. The president knew that humanity needs to move on by themselves to improve. That's why the avengers must take away those powers from those five before that power makes them do something they can't repair.

About Thor hitting velocidad.....it's called guerrilla warfare my friend. Act fast with no time to explain before the big guns come...specially if the big guns are phoenix powered mutants.

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@Apothecary2 said:

@Pbott: MURDERED? Do you even understand the meaning of the word? Mutants were cured and considering how elitist marvel is it was mostly all of the "monstrous" mutants and most of the were happy. No person like being justifiably feared when they don't want to be. Now fans think that the existence of mutants a genetic deformity is a good thing? This is what happens when you let a group that is supposed to be a metaphor for all minorities and homosexuals become an empowerment fantasy for fans.

lol I take it you have not read Grant Morison's run

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@Apothecary2: Lol you are crazy. They were not cured. Wanda erased nearly all mutants x-gen. Nut just the ugly ones...

A lot of them died because of that, so yes they have been murdered by wanda...

And nearly all of them loved their powers, and beign a mutant.

They were feared, hated thats true but at least they could protect themselvs.

And they fight back proudly because they were proud to defend what they are.

You cant really understand this until you are an outcast yourself.

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So happy with new art in this book. This series is finally living up to the hype.

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@Chaos Burn said:

best issue of the series so far, still not ground breaking yet - and all the sh*t with Iron Fist is too rushed and obvious

If you've read New Avengers at all in the past three months, it feels a lot less rushed.

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@Nudeviking said:

@Chaos Burn said:

best issue of the series so far, still not ground breaking yet - and all the sh*t with Iron Fist is too rushed and obvious

If you've read New Avengers at all in the past three months, it feels a lot less rushed.

I don't want to have to fork out extra just for key plot points, those kind of issues should be for if you want to read a particular character/team affected by the event. To be honest I'm bitter from buying Moon Knights Shadowland tie-in, about him searching for some magical sapphire that could stop Daredevil, and in the end of the series he loses it and it's never even mentioned in the actual Shadowland comic!!

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Gotta to love some of these commits. Lets look at this whole mess

X-Men: Fighting for survial, Mutants nearly wiped out by Scarlet Witch, under constant attack by anti-muntant forces. With the world watching the Avengers attacking their refuge Utopia some may get the bright idea that it's ok to attack mutants if Captian America is doing it.

Cyclops: Thrust into the role of leader of the entire Mutant species. Has been tryign to do everything possible to keep Mutants from going extinct, not an any task when the world fears and hates you and constantly seeks to make you and your kind extinct. Scott doesn't seem like the kind of person to just lie back and say do whatever you want to us, we won't do anything to defend ourselves.

Wolverine: If the Avengers "win" kiss the school goodbye, hard to think any Mutant would want to stay around with a traitor as he was refered to in AvX 2 by Sunspot. Most of the faculty has already left to join Cyclops side. If the X-Men "win" the same thing.

Avengers: Looking to take Hope into "Protective Custody" to keep the Phoenix Force from using her as a host. The Phoenix destroys whole solar systems on a whim when only slightly agitated, where the [CENSORED] do the Avengers think they can place Hope that the Phoenix won't be able to get to?

Captian America: May believe in what he's doing, but when Stark called him out for acting like he did during the Civil War, that might make most pause and rethink their course of action, but not Cap, he continues to blunder on full speed ahead without fully thinking through what his actions may lead to. When Beast and others advise Cap to slow down and look at other possible options he still goes on even though he has no real idea of what to do.

Iron Man: Phoenix disrupter armor- really? The Phoenix has been around since the creation of the universe, if other more advance races couldn't stop the Phoenix what was Tony drinking to think he had a snowballs chance in Hell of stopping it.

Scarlet Witch: Was looney, got better. Really? Since she depowered 90% of the Mutant race, Wanda hasn't really done much to make it right has she.This girl has some serious issues that need to be addressed and probably should not be involved with anything with infinte or near infinte power.

Iron Fist: May be the key to defeating the Phoenix, but once again at what cost. Anyone ever wonder why K'un-L'un and the other Heavenly Cities only only intercept the earth every 10 years?

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By splitting into five host the phoenix is NOT more manageable those who read this issue carefully can tell that at the end of the issue display a more dark character plus if you read infinite it gives you more hits.

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Ok, one thing I am wondering (and yes, I am an X-Fan), but I missed the issues where this happened. Did Cyclops (and does he still) have part of the Void locked away in his mind? I am wondering if this is true, if this explains part of his seeming personality change around/since Schism or if this part of continuity has been discarded.

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@Chaos Burn said:

@Nudeviking said:

@Chaos Burn said:

best issue of the series so far, still not ground breaking yet - and all the sh*t with Iron Fist is too rushed and obvious

If you've read New Avengers at all in the past three months, it feels a lot less rushed.

I don't want to have to fork out extra just for key plot points, those kind of issues should be for if you want to read a particular character/team affected by the event. To be honest I'm bitter from buying Moon Knights Shadowland tie-in, about him searching for some magical sapphire that could stop Daredevil, and in the end of the series he loses it and it's never even mentioned in the actual Shadowland comic!!

No, I totally understand. The only reason that I know at all is because New Avengers is a book I pick up anyway. There was all kinds of that nonsense in Fear Itself. Without tie-ins those main books were fairly unreadable, but some tie-ins barely had anything to do with the actual event so it was a pain trying to guess which ones were important and which ones I could skip entirely.

I honestly think that AvX has done a pretty good job of keeping the story contained to it's own book. Reading the tie-ins that I have read (New Avengers, Wolverine & The X-Men, Secret Avengers) have pretty inessential, self-contained stories that barely tie to the main event if you will. The Iron Fist stuff feels a little less rushed though.

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This mini series suffers from too many writers. Personally I think this issue is the best so far for the simple reason that we see people like Beast and Black Panther acting like a voice of reason within the Avengers. Cap acting like Iron Man on Civil War is a clear indication of how low Marvel has sunk this character. You think that after everything that has happened Cap would be more diplomatic on this issue but nope. Still bent on winning even though the Phoenix Five can and has kicked their asses. But Cyclops acting as a jailer to Hope isn't helping. And then there's Wanda: the woman responsible for the destruction of mutants. There is a reason why Vision rejected her and is because she's crazy. But this while series is not an organic event but something made to stern the tide of DC's initiative.

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Man this is getting heated! I loved that we got to see Black Panther in a bigger role I'm also VERY excited that Iron Fist maybe the key to all of this. Also....if Magneto is worried...we should all be worried.

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How is Cyclops exhibiting "extreme" behavior? He was wayy to easy on the Avengers.. They comitted breaking and entering, attempted kidnapping, and assaulted several of the students. They should have been placed into custody immediately. Also whats up with Hope? Now she is going to turn her back on the X-men because she turned down the Phoenix and feels like a 5th wheel? She is going to go with the person responsible for decimating 90% of the mutants? The avengers were dead wrong and Cyke in my opinion is displaying incredible patience

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@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

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@august27th said:

@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

I know but kidnapping is also against the law.

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@jubeiyagyuX said:

@august27th said:

@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

I know but kidnapping is also against the law.

This! Seriously, Earth's Mightiest Losers' (EML) fans (ya, all 3 of you!) need to stop trying to justify Captain Fascist' reckless actions. He and Obama (in AvX 6) are just control freaks and hate that someone else is calling the shots. Scott turned the other cheek after the EML slapped his other with a white glove. He even sent Colossus to save the lives of IF, LC, and SW and Colossus did so WITHOUT using force. They settled the battle peacefully. Did Rogers even thank the X-Men? No. He just suspected them further. His jealously and pettiness is getting embarrassing at this point.

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I liked this issue.  The series has been up and down for me, but even the worst issues are better than Fear Itself.  I felt a new spirit and hopefully that will continue.  I like the Iron Fist stuff that's been going on here and in New Avengers, that's very interesting to me.  Plus, that last line?  Great.

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@jubeiyagyuX said:

@august27th said:

@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

I know but kidnapping is also against the law.

Can't call something kidnapping if the person wanted to go in the first place.

Cyclops and Emma knows that, the rest of Utopia doesn't (do you believe cyke is gonna tell them that? Hell no) with that knowledge known, easier to rally everyone together and make the unity bonds stronger to attack and hunt down the avengers.

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I was surprised how this issue was rather interesting and contained really interesting story building.

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@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@august27th said:

@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

I know but kidnapping is also against the law.

Can't call something kidnapping if the person wanted to go in the first place.

Cyclops and Emma knows that, the rest of Utopia doesn't (do you believe cyke is gonna tell them that? Hell no) with that knowledge known, easier to rally everyone together and make the unity bonds stronger to attack and hunt down the avengers.

That was the second attempt and the Avengers didn't know she wanted to go.Avengers fans are just coming up with every excuse possible.They tried it the first time,failed and tried a second time.

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@jubeiyagyuX: @jubeiyagyuX said:

@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@august27th said:

@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

I know but kidnapping is also against the law.

Can't call something kidnapping if the person wanted to go in the first place.

Cyclops and Emma knows that, the rest of Utopia doesn't (do you believe cyke is gonna tell them that? Hell no) with that knowledge known, easier to rally everyone together and make the unity bonds stronger to attack and hunt down the avengers.

That was the second attempt and the Avengers didn't know she wanted to go.Avengers fans are just coming up with every excuse possible.They tried it the first time,failed and tried a second time.

Yah, all three of them! lol

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@IronHerc: @IronHerc said:

@sparty-dbq said:

There's a saying that "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." And the PhoeniX-Men (I'm not calling them the Phoenix Five. No originality.) are already showing signs that they're teetering over the edge. Helping crops grow and cleaning up water sources is one thing, but to unilaterally dictate in one motion how all nations should act towards one another is nothing short of totalitarianism. They WILL go one step too far. That's assured.

Now, even though I am firmly in the Avengers corner, I will admit; Thor's gut-punch to Velocidad: dick move.

Oh, and the idea of Iron Fist playing a key, central role in an event of this scale makes me giddy.

This is what I was thinking. The X-Men have taken over the world and cyclops probably has realized this. Too much power will corrupt almost any person (and giving power to cyclops in that magnitude is just insane). For a moment i though that this was perfect, that the X-Men were doing something right but....humanity cannot live under the control of divine level people who share human emotion. The president knew that humanity needs to move on by themselves to improve. That's why the avengers must take away those powers from those five before that power makes them do something they can't repair.

About Thor hitting velocidad.....it's called guerrilla warfare my friend. Act fast with no time to explain before the big guns come...specially if the big guns are phoenix powered mutants.

Freaking finally!!!

I've read too many comments of fans talking about who's the bad guy, without addressing the situation regarding these 5 X-Men apparently ending all of the world's problems.

the Phoenix Five are potentially making a paradise on Earth, who appointed them the de facto rulers of the world? No one. At the very least, they are eliminating all conventional weapons and WMDs in very country irregardless of sovereignty or those governments wishes. While what they are doing is for the good of the world, they are still imposing their will as opposed to being an example for others and allowing them to have free will.

This WILL NOT have good results as a flawed people can't accept order from "gods" with those same flaws.

The Phoenix has ended MANY BILLIONS of lives. It has to be stopped, no matter the cost.

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@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@august27th said:

@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

I know but kidnapping is also against the law.

Can't call something kidnapping if the person wanted to go in the first place.

Cyclops and Emma knows that, the rest of Utopia doesn't (do you believe cyke is gonna tell them that? Hell no) with that knowledge known, easier to rally everyone together and make the unity bonds stronger to attack and hunt down the avengers.

That was the second attempt and the Avengers didn't know she wanted to go.Avengers fans are just coming up with every excuse possible.They tried it the first time,failed and tried a second time.

Irrelevant, and you know it. your ignorance knows no bounds. (I'm guessing in your eyes, the avengers were the one who through the first punch)

For the Record I"m an X fan but even I don't have a severe case of tunnel vision for convenience just to ignore whats really happening right in front of me.

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@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@august27th said:

@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

I know but kidnapping is also against the law.

Can't call something kidnapping if the person wanted to go in the first place.

Cyclops and Emma knows that, the rest of Utopia doesn't (do you believe cyke is gonna tell them that? Hell no) with that knowledge known, easier to rally everyone together and make the unity bonds stronger to attack and hunt down the avengers.

That was the second attempt and the Avengers didn't know she wanted to go.Avengers fans are just coming up with every excuse possible.They tried it the first time,failed and tried a second time.

Irrelevant, and you know it. your ignorance knows no bounds. (I'm guessing in your eyes, the avengers were the one who through the first punch)

For the Record I"m an X fan but even I don't have a severe case of tunnel vision for convenience just to ignore whats really happening right in front of me.

loooool! Irrelevant? Attempted kidnapping is irrelevant? Good job dude,and for the record I'm no fan of either team and don't have tunnel vision for convenience.I'd like you to go attempt to kindap someone then when caught plead not guilty,lets see how that goes.

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I don't think that either side is really wrong. They both have legitimate concerns but the Avengers are definitely being huge douchebags.

There have been several attempted genocides committed against the mutants within the last few years. Despite the fact that they've defeated those threats, the mutants are still a dying race. They're a desperate people and they see Hope as their only chance at survival. It just makes no sense for the Avengers to be so aggressive and confrontational, especially considering how mutants have zero trust in the government due to all the crap that went on in the past few years. Not to mention the fact that Cyclops and Hope saved the Avengers from Cable so their attempt to kidnap Hope would only be seen as an act of betrayal. All they're doing is making Cyclops and the mutants more desperate and paranoid.

As for the whole "absolute power corrupts" thing, that's just a saying. It's not real wisdom doesn't really have real meaning. Heck, there are plenty of incredibly powerful characters in comics who are not corrupt. There's Odin, Thor, the Watcher, Iron Man, Professor Xavier, etc. If that saying is true then why aren't all the super powerful characters and godlike aliens and entities corrupt?

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@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@august27th said:

@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

I know but kidnapping is also against the law.

Can't call something kidnapping if the person wanted to go in the first place.

Cyclops and Emma knows that, the rest of Utopia doesn't (do you believe cyke is gonna tell them that? Hell no) with that knowledge known, easier to rally everyone together and make the unity bonds stronger to attack and hunt down the avengers.

That was the second attempt and the Avengers didn't know she wanted to go.Avengers fans are just coming up with every excuse possible.They tried it the first time,failed and tried a second time.

Irrelevant, and you know it. your ignorance knows no bounds. (I'm guessing in your eyes, the avengers were the one who through the first punch)

For the Record I"m an X fan but even I don't have a severe case of tunnel vision for convenience just to ignore whats really happening right in front of me.

loooool! Irrelevant? Attempted kidnapping is irrelevant? Good job dude,and for the record I'm no fan of either team and don't have tunnel vision for convenience.I'd like you to go attempt to kindap someone then when caught plead not guilty,lets see how that goes.

Yea especially when the person in question (the kidnapped = Hope) opted to go! yea they'll equal kidnapping for sure!

News Flash.. when that fact is known it's no longer a kidnapping, the avengers came to take Hope but the fact of fiction she went with them on her own accord (which is further elaborated and seen in New Avengers)

That's claiming someone stole a car that was given to them.

Yes your still showing the "tunnel vision"

why? cause everything I said is right there in front of you and anyone who read AvX#6 and refusing to admit what happen (Tunnel vision for convenience)

My initial comment still stands and I have yet read someone come up with a formal/proper rebuttal to combat it other than stoop low to saying "fanboyism"

Like I said: "Cyclops and Emma knows that, the rest of Utopia doesn't (do you believe cyke is gonna tell them that? Hell no) with that knowledge known, easier to rally everyone together and make the unity bonds stronger to attack and hunt down the avengers."

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@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@Hareil0079 said:

@jubeiyagyuX said:

@august27th said:

@jubeiyagyuX: Assaulting an officer of the law is illegal under any circumstance.

I know but kidnapping is also against the law.

Can't call something kidnapping if the person wanted to go in the first place.

Cyclops and Emma knows that, the rest of Utopia doesn't (do you believe cyke is gonna tell them that? Hell no) with that knowledge known, easier to rally everyone together and make the unity bonds stronger to attack and hunt down the avengers.

That was the second attempt and the Avengers didn't know she wanted to go.Avengers fans are just coming up with every excuse possible.They tried it the first time,failed and tried a second time.

Irrelevant, and you know it. your ignorance knows no bounds. (I'm guessing in your eyes, the avengers were the one who through the first punch)

For the Record I"m an X fan but even I don't have a severe case of tunnel vision for convenience just to ignore whats really happening right in front of me.

loooool! Irrelevant? Attempted kidnapping is irrelevant? Good job dude,and for the record I'm no fan of either team and don't have tunnel vision for convenience.I'd like you to go attempt to kindap someone then when caught plead not guilty,lets see how that goes.

Yea especially when the person in question (the kidnapped = Hope) opted to go! yea they'll equal kidnapping for sure!

News Flash.. when that fact is known it's no longer a kidnapping, the avengers came to take Hope but the fact of fiction she went with them on her own accord (which is further elaborated and seen in New Avengers)

That's claiming someone stole a car that was given to them.

Yes your still showing the "tunnel vision"

why? cause everything I said is right there in front of you and anyone who read AvX#6 and refusing to admit what happen (Tunnel vision for convenience)

My initial comment still stands and I have yet read someone come up with a formal/proper rebuttal to combat it other than stoop low to saying "fanboyism"

Like I said: "Cyclops and Emma knows that, the rest of Utopia doesn't (do you believe cyke is gonna tell them that? Hell no) with that knowledge known, easier to rally everyone together and make the unity bonds stronger to attack and hunt down the avengers."

Hmmmm....Attempted kidnapping bro!!! What part of that don't you understand? Did Hope contact the Avengers in anyway? Did they know she wanted to leave? NO!!!!! They "Attempted" to kidnap her but after getting thier ass handed to them found out she wanted to leave with Wanda.Please stop trying to justify a stupid attempt by the Avengers.

Do I believe Cyke will tell the rest of the mutants? I don't know.Do you know why? Because AvX #7 is NOT out and neither of us works at Marvel.Chill out,relax and see what happens.Don't go off claiming what you "think will happen" as fact.We do NOT know what will happen.

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I understand more than you know you nitwit!

Let me break it down to you what would happen in a court room for you to understand!

Avengers vs X-Men

Kidnapping Case Of Hope Summers

Avengers will be tried as "kidnap"

Avengers will make there plea (Hope wanting to go with Wanda who is an avenger anyways)

X-Men make their case "Avengers came in to take hope"

Avengers give their rebuttal

and it'll boil down to the judge asking Hope if she wanted to go or not of her own free will (Obviously we know the answer to that even if she went with Wanda who is and avenger and is seen later with avengers SM and IF in the latest issue of New Avengers so YEA she went with the Avengers!! big deal she left with wanda specifically)

Case Close! easy as hell to understand

The Avengers Knowing or not that Hope wanting to go is IRRELEVANT!!! (what do you not get its.. F*cking in front of you and easy to understand. I hate idiots who know nothing about law and are still in school and think they have everything figured out and they DONT)

As for AvX#7 and not knowing, the tie-ins are giving more away than the main story and hell previews of WatX#12 show the X-men hunting the avengers looking for Hope and asking where she is and what i've gathered from that doesn't sound like any other X-Men knows what happen. (Other than Cyke and Emma)

My statement still stands and your still an F'ing idiot

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What a pleasant surprise! I love the art of this issue. I wish the whole series would have been done by Coipel. His drawing style is just so much more dynamic than whoever did the previous 5 issues.

I have no love for The Avengers. What would you do if a group of people come to your home and trying to kidnap your adopted granddaughter? I would shoot them, too! I don't think whatever reason "the President" said convinced of my of The Avengers' doing.

It was Wonda's mental breakdown that caused the extinction of the mutant kind, and now she is coming back to do more damage to her own kind? Ugh, she is such a psycho biatch.

One thing I don't understand is, is the Phoenix Five has such great power, how could Scott get hurt just by touching Wonda. That doesn't make sense.

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@Hareil0079 said:

@Chaos Burn said:

I'm liking tie-ins more. The New Avengers (this weeks issue) clearly the best of this weeks release of comics. I'm only questioning now Is wanda and hope since they are obviously going to fight but the question is how and why? Also the Phoenix purpose. (Scott clearly denied hope the PF maybe slight foreshadowing of corruption?)

Gotta love Wanda's Pwnge on Scott

you mean this???

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That panel and the one before it when Scott tries to grab wanda (the panel a lot of people on this thread are ignoring or turning the blind eye)