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Avengers Vs. X-Men #12 - Round 12

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The final issue is here. This changes everything…or does it? Find out what happens after the big events from last issue and how the Marvel Universe will be changed.

The Good

The twelve-issue story is bound to result in debates for some time. As we're reminded from the very first page, this all started when Scarlet Witch said "No more mutants" and changed the fate of an entire species. Cyclops has only wanted to right the wrong that was caused back then. With the Phoenix Force, he could have the power to do that. The problem is he may not be fully capable of controlling that power.

There's a nice debate in the comic as to who is to blame for these events. The string of events can be traced back a ways if you wanted to try shifting the blame on others. Is Cyclops to Blame? The Avengers? Captain America? Scarlet Witch? As you can imagine, the debate won't last long in this issue as words quickly turn to action.

With the lives of the heroes at stake and the drastic lengths Cyclops is willing to go to, the only chance the heroes have is Hope Summers and Scarlet Witch...but they don't get along.

The scenes of the Avengers and X-Men fighting Cyclops is one of utter destruction. It's gone beyond a battle of survival for the heroes, it's a matter of trying to ensure the world survives. And then there's Hope. For so long we were supposed to believe she was meant for something bigger. That just never happened. Even Hope understands that she's just been waiting for something to happen.

I'm just sick to death of waiting. Waiting around to become something or other.

Be careful what you wish for, right?

This crossover event may have had its ups and downs but I think I'm still a sucker for nice action scenes. Seeing the heroes lay it all on the line, knowing they don't really have much hope of winning is pretty cool. And he art/visuals by Adam Kubert when a certain flying person that hasn't been seen since the first issue shows up bring the Dark Phoenix down to Earth so the others can try their last attempt was pretty dang cool.

Often we hear the rhetoric that "everything will change" or "nothing will be the same." Let's just say there is a pretty big change here. This will have major effects on the Marvel Universe.

The Bad

I love Captain America. He doesn't stand down to anyone. But some of his dialogue was a bit much.

The Earth doesn't die on our watch!
Avengers! Take him down!

This is all impressive as he is willing to stand up to the Phoenix Force but still, it can be a bit cheesy.

While big things do happen, you can't help wonder if the entire journey was necessary. The extra length in the issue was nice but the events almost feel together too easily. There was still plenty of destruction along the way. With the new status quo set in the Marvel Universe, these past twelve issues felt like a long way just to arrive at this destination.

I'm also torn at the inclusion of so many characters. Having them here adds to the overall feeling that this was a big deal. It's weird that the Fantastic Four didn't bother to show up when the entire world at risk. Of course they could have been off planet or something but it's still odd. The downside of so many characters is some of the ones you really want to see take part in the action are reduced to either standing around in the background or lying unconscious on the ground.

The Verdict

Big things do happen here. Many readers have been clamoring for results and they will get shoved in your face. Comic book events should have meaning at the end of the run. We should get big results in order to pay for our commitment. It may not have been the smoothest ride but what happens at the end will indeed matter. We wanted changes in the Marvel Universe and they are now here. With all the recent events we've been seeing, this is the first time in a while there will be some long repercussions as a result. The bumpy ride was worth this outcome. If you've been hesitant about keeping up with this series, you won't want to miss this issue. From the gigantic fight scenes to the debates and conversations along with the birth of a new era, we finally get some consequences and closure at the same time. Seeing how the ramifications play out will be fun. As for the big change that occurs, all I'll say is it's about time. Make sure you're on hand to see how everything does change. You think you know the Marvel Universe? It's time to get to know it all over again.

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@SolthesunGod said:

@Lvenger said:

@SolthesunGod said:

Cap invaded Scott's island with an army trying to kidnap a child. I don't think you can actually argue that Reed knows more about Galactus than Scott knows about the Phoenix force considering he was married to it. We'll never know how effectively Scott could have dealt with the Phoenix Force because Tony Stark in yet another moment of sheer stupidty decided to blow up an entity that capable of destroying planets and tied into all life and earth and as such created the Phoenix Five and made Scott Dark Phoenix. Everything is traced back to the Avengers. The Phoenix only returned because of what an Avenger did in the first place.

He's a master strategist. He knew he'd have to prepare for the worst. The fact he didn't go in guns blazing shows he wasn't taking the violent option straight away. And Scott was more married to Jean than Phoenix or Dark Phoenix so he didn't know more about PF than Reed does about Galactus. The Avengers pulled some crazy stunts (I facepalmed at the blow the Phoenix up only to split it into 5 parts) But everything is traced back to the X-Men in the end not the Avengers. They fired the first shot in the war and came in with the wrong mindset.

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Here's the big difference though why everything bad the Avengers do is worst then the X-Men. The concept of the Avengers is that they are earth's mightiest heroes. If they go around letting their members off with committing genocide or creating the marvel universe's answer of the freemasons they've lost the moral highground. That's something they need for the concept to work. The X-Men are different they are less of a group. The X-Men are a demographic. If one person of one minority or even a group within a minority do something awful it doesn't reflect on the entire minority. The Avengers on the other hand are most definately a group.

Key difference: The Avengers have never let their members commit genocide. And if you say Wanda, she's reset everything back to how it was. And aside from that example, none of the Avengers have done anything remotely as bad as what the X-Men have done, both during this event and the past.

No she didn't. Did she bring back all the characters she killed when she was written totally out of character in House of M? No. Has she pubically gone on record and confessed and faced her victims? Nope. All those she killed are still dead, their families don't have answers and she still got away with genocide because she's an Avenger. In AVX#12 it was stated specifically that the Phoenix returned because of what the Scarlet Witch did so those planets that were destroyed were also on her. The Illuminati have also chalked up a pretty extensive body count. Far worse than the Phoenix Five. If your an Avengers fan you should be pissed off too. I used to really like those characters in particular the Scarlet Witch.

It really kind of taints their image, doesn't it (although the new Hawkeye series is still freakin' awesome!)?

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@Cooke76 said:

@SolthesunGod said:

@Lvenger said:

@SolthesunGod said:

Cap invaded Scott's island with an army trying to kidnap a child. I don't think you can actually argue that Reed knows more about Galactus than Scott knows about the Phoenix force considering he was married to it. We'll never know how effectively Scott could have dealt with the Phoenix Force because Tony Stark in yet another moment of sheer stupidty decided to blow up an entity that capable of destroying planets and tied into all life and earth and as such created the Phoenix Five and made Scott Dark Phoenix. Everything is traced back to the Avengers. The Phoenix only returned because of what an Avenger did in the first place.

He's a master strategist. He knew he'd have to prepare for the worst. The fact he didn't go in guns blazing shows he wasn't taking the violent option straight away. And Scott was more married to Jean than Phoenix or Dark Phoenix so he didn't know more about PF than Reed does about Galactus. The Avengers pulled some crazy stunts (I facepalmed at the blow the Phoenix up only to split it into 5 parts) But everything is traced back to the X-Men in the end not the Avengers. They fired the first shot in the war and came in with the wrong mindset.

@SolthesunGod said:

Here's the big difference though why everything bad the Avengers do is worst then the X-Men. The concept of the Avengers is that they are earth's mightiest heroes. If they go around letting their members off with committing genocide or creating the marvel universe's answer of the freemasons they've lost the moral highground. That's something they need for the concept to work. The X-Men are different they are less of a group. The X-Men are a demographic. If one person of one minority or even a group within a minority do something awful it doesn't reflect on the entire minority. The Avengers on the other hand are most definately a group.

Key difference: The Avengers have never let their members commit genocide. And if you say Wanda, she's reset everything back to how it was. And aside from that example, none of the Avengers have done anything remotely as bad as what the X-Men have done, both during this event and the past.

No she didn't. Did she bring back all the characters she killed when she was written totally out of character in House of M? No. Has she pubically gone on record and confessed and faced her victims? Nope. All those she killed are still dead, their families don't have answers and she still got away with genocide because she's an Avenger. In AVX#12 it was stated specifically that the Phoenix returned because of what the Scarlet Witch did so those planets that were destroyed were also on her. The Illuminati have also chalked up a pretty extensive body count. Far worse than the Phoenix Five. If your an Avengers fan you should be pissed off too. I used to really like those characters in particular the Scarlet Witch.

It really kind of taints their image, doesn't it (although the new Hawkeye series is still freakin' awesome!)?

Oh absolutely. But yes the new Hawkeye series is pretty epic. I'm really enjoying Captain Marvel too. I'm just not going to buy Avengers team books anymore.

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@TheCrowbar: yes this so true. Cyclops wins hahahahahahahaha not the x-men CYCLOPS WON yeah

SUCK IT AVENGERS

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@butters911 said:

Guys stop responding to fadetobalckbolt. Seriously, there are so many terrible things that go on this world everyday, and he puts this much energy and rage into a comic book review he didn't agree with?

Yeah god forbid if someone feels passionate about comic books on a comic book website. That's insane. He shouldn't have a right to not like something because there are starving people in the world.

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@hawkgirl96 said:

@TheCrowbar: yes this so true. Cyclops wins hahahahahahahaha not the x-men CYCLOPS WON yeah

SUCK IT AVENGERS

Explain to me how mutants being reactivate is a suck it to the Avengers since preventing was never their concern?  
Following that logic you could say Captain America won. Suck it X-Men they saved the Earth. Right?
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@X35 said:

@butters911 said:

Guys stop responding to fadetobalckbolt. Seriously, there are so many terrible things that go on this world everyday, and he puts this much energy and rage into a comic book review he didn't agree with?

Yeah god forbid if someone feels passionate about comic books on a comic book website. That's insane. He shouldn't have a right to not like something because there are starving people in the world.

no the problem is when someone bashes another person based on their opinion....all reviews are opinions and if you don't agree then that's fine but when you insult someone's intellect simply because they like something that you don't that's when it becomes insane

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I actually hate Captain America in the comics, like seriously.... Scott may have done the dirty here, but that wouldn't have happened if Cap wasn't such a sanctimonious richard. Literally every bad thing that happened here is because Cap stuck his nose where it wasn't wanted or needed. Then Iron Man made it worse by sticking his nose where it wasn't wanted or needed. Yet the Avengers won. The X-Men got their collective behinds handed to them, utopia destroyed, sure there's new mutants and ya that's great, but Scott is locked up (not for long I bet), he's killed his mentor, betrayed his love, and lost the confidence of the people he led.

What happened to Cap? What are the repercussions for him, leader of the avengers? Well he's going to need to drop a couple of hundred bucks at the superhero tailors to fix his costume. Thats just a load of BS. This whole event has been terribly one sided, The X-Men only really stood a chance against the avengers when they became Gods (more or less) and even then they lost. You'd think with the sheer volume of hero vs hero stories being pumped out these days they'd have figured out how to do it well, but apparently not.

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I liked it.

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@danhimself said:

@X35 said:

@butters911 said:

Guys stop responding to fadetobalckbolt. Seriously, there are so many terrible things that go on this world everyday, and he puts this much energy and rage into a comic book review he didn't agree with?

Yeah god forbid if someone feels passionate about comic books on a comic book website. That's insane. He shouldn't have a right to not like something because there are starving people in the world.

no the problem is when someone bashes another person based on their opinion....all reviews are opinions and if you don't agree then that's fine but when you insult someone's intellect simply because they like something that you don't that's when it becomes insane

I think G-Man is just generally a lot nicer/forgiving than most comic book readers on the internet. At least that's the impression I've gotten. If he gave it a four I'm sure he thought it deserved a four. He just doesn't seem to be by nature as critical as most of the people on this thread which ultimately is probably to his betterment.

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@danhimself said:

@X35 said:

@butters911 said:

Guys stop responding to fadetobalckbolt. Seriously, there are so many terrible things that go on this world everyday, and he puts this much energy and rage into a comic book review he didn't agree with?

Yeah god forbid if someone feels passionate about comic books on a comic book website. That's insane. He shouldn't have a right to not like something because there are starving people in the world.

no the problem is when someone bashes another person based on their opinion....all reviews are opinions and if you don't agree then that's fine but when you insult someone's intellect simply because they like something that you don't that's when it becomes insane

If someone said they loved the holocaust, does that mean you can't call them an idiot for having a stupid opinion? People are entitled to call each other idiots all they want, the same way they're entitled to an opinion because thinking someone is wrong is an opinion.

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Cyke is the Man!

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@X35: You call them an idiot and move on. Life's short.

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@X35:He has a right to hate on the comic book. I've done it countless of times with this event. I just don't see the logic of hating on a reviewer.

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@X35: Finally somebody compares AvX to the holocaust

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@X35 said:

@danhimself said:

@X35 said:

@butters911 said:

Guys stop responding to fadetobalckbolt. Seriously, there are so many terrible things that go on this world everyday, and he puts this much energy and rage into a comic book review he didn't agree with?

Yeah god forbid if someone feels passionate about comic books on a comic book website. That's insane. He shouldn't have a right to not like something because there are starving people in the world.

no the problem is when someone bashes another person based on their opinion....all reviews are opinions and if you don't agree then that's fine but when you insult someone's intellect simply because they like something that you don't that's when it becomes insane

If someone said they loved the holocaust, does that mean you can't call them an idiot for having a stupid opinion? People are entitled to call each other idiots all they want, the same way they're entitled to an opinion because thinking someone is wrong is an opinion.

are you seriously comparing the holocaust to a comic book review?? that's the problem.....IT'S NOT THAT SERIOUS!

I love comics...I just want to make that clear....but whenever there is a bad book published...I move on....I don't get on the internet and start calling everyone who liked that book an idiot and try to boost myself up above them.....people are NOT entitled to belittle other people...that's not how things work

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There's no reason for anyone to be calling anyone an idiot on an internet forum. It's a review of a comic book. It's not like someone punched your mother.

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@Duke_Nasty said:

@X35: Finally somebody compares AvX to the holocaust

X35 isn't comparing AvX to the Holocaust, they were making an example.

Though it's still Godwin.

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Am I not entitled to call people idiots for not being bothering to having any sense of awareness and instantly deciding I was comparing a comic book to the holocaust for the sake of invalidating a completely valid point when at no point didn't I even mention comic books in comparison to the holocaust.

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For years I've wanted to read the X-Men again with nothing about the Avengers in it. I doubt I'll get that chance now, either. House of M never made any sense. Someone says 'No More Mutants' and that's a major shift in the direction and the X-Men go on vacation is the story. That death last issue was pretty bad.

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@SolthesunGod: I'm really tired of arguing atm so we'll have to agree to disagree for now. What I will say is that Avengers haven't been written well at all. Marvel Now will at least bring Hickman into the fold to improve the Avengers.

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@Lvenger said:

@SolthesunGod: I'm really tired of arguing atm so we'll have to agree to disagree for now. What I will say is that Avengers haven't been written well at all. Marvel Now will at least bring Hickman into the fold to improve the Avengers.

Actually I think we just breached common ground.Yeah you never know Hickman could totally turn things around. It's just at the point with the franchise I don't know if the Avengers are just too far gone to be repaired.

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@SolthesunGod: I'm glad we reached common ground. And yeah Bendis did take a dump on the Avengers. If you're an X-Men fan, I feel sorry for what Bendis is going to do to the X-Men franchise.

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Fianlly it's OVER!

This event had some good points and some very bad problems. The concept was good, the execution left alot to be desired. In events such as this, it's best to just have ONE writer, not 5 different wrtiers hadling the entire event and ONE artist, not 3 or 4 different artist. This would have help considerablly in keeping everything consistent. Also, the writer SHOULD be aware of the overall continuty and tempment of the characters BEFORE starting to keep from making such glaring errors in how the characters would react to one another.

Over all I liked it, it could've been better had Marvel used just one writer (NOT Jason Aarons) and one art team (Either Kubert or Coipel)

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loved Cyclops' ruby quartz prison, very reminiscient of Magneto's plastic prison

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@Lvenger said:

@SolthesunGod: I'm glad we reached common ground. And yeah Bendis did take a dump on the Avengers. If you're an X-Men fan, I feel sorry for what Bendis is going to do to the X-Men franchise.

Oh I'm worried. The thing is I don't hate Bendis. I don't think he's an awful writer at all. I don't think anyone that was involved with Avengers versus X-Men is untalented. It's the reverse actually. It's like X-Men Last Stand. That movie was too well cast to have ended up with that end product. It made the whole thing even more infuriating. With Bendis I really didn't even hate all of his stories. I think he did some great ones with the Avengers. Secret Invasion, Dark Avengers, the start of New Avengers all great. My main gripes are with the stuff he's done with the mutants while working on the Avengers but maybe I'm being too harsh. I would wonder how much of that was him and how much of it was editorial. The big crossovers always seem to have a lot more to do with editorial than the standard montly book. I'm hoping my fears will be totally wrong and Bendis knocks it out of the park. I know there is this view that comic book fans just want to complain but I really wanted to like Avengers versus X-Men. The return of the Phoenix was a story I was really really looking forward to after such a great build and that's why I'm so annoyed.

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Can't say I'm very surprised with the ending. There were fewer other ways this whole pink elephant event could've climaxed.

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@MagmaGazer said:

Can't say I'm very surprised with the ending. There were fewer other ways this whole pink elephant event could've climaxed.

Ha, that's one disturbing visual.

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I can't believe they did the climax to the entire Hope story and Cable wasn't anywhere to be seen! Why did they even do X-Sanciton as a prologue to this?

I was glad we finally got some redemption for the Scarlet Witch but it wasn't even that well done. Also thought they would use this as an opportunity to bring Jean back.. why was she dead anyway? The original Dark Phoenix saga was so epic but Morrison's finale was so forgettable.

This whole thing was kind of a mess with some decent parts.. I really enjoyed some of the tie-ins.. but I guess when you are going to try to wrap up these long 5+ year storylines there is a lot of stuff to deal with.

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who pissed in Fade's soup? someone should tell him that no one is forcing him to read the review or buy the books. you dont like an event/comic, dont buy it. theres plenty of other books out there aside from AvX

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They have completely destroyed Cyclops character and Cap is a idiot who needs to die, bravo Marvel, bravo!!!

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this piece of shit book doesn't deserve 4 stars seriously
I'm done with marvel big events it's just been complete shit since siege

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Honestly I hated it. I hate that the X-Men were painted as the villains. Cap scolding Cyclops made me ill. Some of the X-Men are now on the run as fugitives. So basically Cyclops was right about the PF coming to earth and with Hope. The Avengers threw their weight around and tried to bully the X-Men and grab Hope...god I hate this event!

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All and all, this could have been worse. but not by much

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Here's a premise for the follow up: AvX: The Trial of Cyclops.

Start: The United States of America vs Scott Summers aka "Cyclops"

The list of charges read

Defense: Your Honor, since Utopia was decleared to be outside US territory by Norman Osborn and that order was never rescinded...

Seventy percenct of charges dismissed as they occured on Utopia. The remaining charges.

Defense: Those occured while my client was under the influence of a sentient super powered cosmic entity, that never would have happened had the Avengers NOT attempted to destroy said entity and thereby causeing the entity to bond to my client. As such it's the equivalent of the Avengers slipping my client super LSD letting him run wild and then holding him responsible for something they started.

Judge: (Groan) Is this true?

Prosecuter: Well...techincally...yeah.

Judge starts to dimiss case. Prosecuter asked about the rest of the Phoenix Five. Judge starts to dimiss those as well, Prosecuter brings up the attack on Wakanda. Judge indicates that is an issue for Wakanda and Atlantis to deal with. Prosecuter argues that the defendant Namor was sentenced to 100 years of probation (See Namor The Submariner 13). Defense makes the argument that Namor's probation officer Steve Rogers was neglegent in his duties and was also party to those responsible for infusing The Phoenix Five with the Phoenix Force...without their consent.

Now let the anger and groans begin...;>

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@John Valentine said:

The attempts to vilify the X-Men are just plain stupid. Anything bad the Phoenix Five have done, save for Namor's attack on Wakanda, has been largely reactive to the Avengers' attempts to control and force the actions of these select X-Men.

F^&k you, Avengers.

I agree!

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A horrible ending to a horrible story. Good job, Marvel. You blatantly ignored continuity as a means to deliver some epic conclusion to a saga that's been brewing for years, and in the end, it was lackluster.

The only plus I see is the fact that they didn't forget about the whole White Phoenix thing. But even that was done wrong.

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Well, at least this piece of crap event is finally over. Seriously, was this not the most predictable story and eventual outcome of any series you've ever read? How this could be given a four-star review is beyond me. Unfortunately, I can no longer take ComicVine.com reviews serious. I mean, nearly every single one is either four or five stars, and almost none of them deserving of the score. It's like if doesn't fall asleep while reading an issue, then it's four stars, and if he liked it at all it's five. I know reviews are merely an individual's personal opinions on a book, but it often just fills like "for the good of the industry" says everything is GREAT! Whatever, hopefully I have some books in my stack this week that I didn't see what was coming in them six months ago.

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Gman -I agree with ya ... good review

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Fade isn't being passionate about comics. We're all passionate about comics.

When your passion leads you to direct anger, rage and borderlined hatred toward people who simply hold a differing opinion? Yes, that's ridiculous. It's like in football/soccer. If someone makes an overly violent tackle, people say it's passion. No. You can be passionate and dedicated without hurting people. Sometimes debates get heated, like sometimes there's a bad tackle, but this is him going off with hateful vitriol because he wants everyone to diss it.

I've been reading comics for 20 years and I like this issue. Cap wasn't written great and the event had flaws, but I can express them articulately.

The point is, if you want to disagree then disagree. Do so vehemently if you must. Resorting to insulting people is just tribalistic nonsense, man.

I wrote for a comic book blog for a few years and let me tell you, I had my fair share of people come and say, "Oh, you like everything." Why would I review things I hate? Also, there are plenty of critical reviews here. They review what comes out, and not all comics are terrible. Most of them are alright.

I don't get what Fade expects, besides people agreeing with him.

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Rrraaaaawwwwwwrrrrrrr.......So....Much.....NERDRAGE!!!!!!!!!

I love that people have so much passion for comic books, but I really think some of you should tone it down a little.

I, for one, enjoyed the series. It could have been better, but IMO it could have been WAYYYYY worse.

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This whole event just makes me so disgusted with Marvel, and all the Avengers-loving writers there. Either they don't even know how to make their precious Avengers look good, or this was done on purpose to give Cyclops a redeeming quality, but CYCLOPS WAS RIGHT. If that self-righteous Captain America wouldn't have assembled the damn Avengers and Scott was allowed to let Hope receive the Phoenix Force in the first place, none of the fighting would have happened and Hope would have created new mutants and then released the Phoenix again afterwards. I don't see how X-Men fans can not be sick to death after this event. I know I sure am.

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What a load of s--t.

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@cyberchop979 said:

Rrraaaaawwwwwwrrrrrrr.......So....Much.....NERDRAGE!!!!!!!!!

I love that people have so much passion for comic books, but I really think some of you should tone it down a little.

I, for one, enjoyed the series. It could have been better, but IMO it could have been WAYYYYY worse.

If you don't have passion what's the point in doing anything? Of course anything, and I mean anything, in life can be way better or way worse, but that certainly doesn't determine whether you should like or accept something or not. "I just lost my job, but oh well, it could have been much worse. It could have been broadcast on network television for all my family and friends to watch live." Look, you wouldn't go to a basketball game and act as if you can't understand why fans were foaming at the mouth after a bad call from the ref. So don't go on a comic book website and tell people to tone it down because you think that they take fiction way too seriously. People spend their hard earned money and time on these things, and within reason, should be able to come on here and say whatever they damn well please. I don't mean to attack you personally, and for that I apologize, but hey, it could have been WAYYYYY worse.

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@Lvenger: you must not be reading it correctly... the avengers started this

they evaded utopia 2 times there efforts & rash actions are what made things the way they currently are

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@JoseDRiveraTCR7 said:

@Lvenger:Cyclops, given his history with the Phoenix, knew the Phoenix wouldn't destroy the earth and he was right. He also knew it was coming to reignite the X-gene and he was also right in this instance. Cyclops was right.

The Phoenix did try to destroy the Earth. Only then it changed its mind when it went to Hope. BECAUSE THIS IS A FOUR STAR COMIC

and it would have went to hope had the avengers not interfered

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@ALittleTooRaph said:

@cyberchop979 said:

Rrraaaaawwwwwwrrrrrrr.......So....Much.....NERDRAGE!!!!!!!!!

I love that people have so much passion for comic books, but I really think some of you should tone it down a little.

I, for one, enjoyed the series. It could have been better, but IMO it could have been WAYYYYY worse.

If you don't have passion what's the point in doing anything? Of course anything, and I mean anything, in life can be way better or way worse, but that certainly doesn't determine whether you should like or accept something or not. "I just lost my job, but oh well, it could have been much worse. It could have been broadcast on network television for all my family and friends to watch live." Look, just don't go to a basketball game and act as if you can't understand why fans are foaming at the mouth after a bad call from the ref. And don't go on a comic book website and tell people to tone it down because you think that they take fiction way too seriously. People spend their hard earned money and time on these things, and within reason, should be able to come on here and say whatever they damn well please. I don't mean to attack you personally, and for that I apologize, but hey, it could have been WAYYYYY worse.

*sigh*

Thank you for proving my point.

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@cyberchop979 said:

@ALittleTooRaph said:

@cyberchop979 said:

Rrraaaaawwwwwwrrrrrrr.......So....Much.....NERDRAGE!!!!!!!!!

I love that people have so much passion for comic books, but I really think some of you should tone it down a little.

I, for one, enjoyed the series. It could have been better, but IMO it could have been WAYYYYY worse.

If you don't have passion what's the point in doing anything? Of course anything, and I mean anything, in life can be way better or way worse, but that certainly doesn't determine whether you should like or accept something or not. "I just lost my job, but oh well, it could have been much worse. It could have been broadcast on network television for all my family and friends to watch live." Look, just don't go to a basketball game and act as if you can't understand why fans are foaming at the mouth after a bad call from the ref. And don't go on a comic book website and tell people to tone it down because you think that they take fiction way too seriously. People spend their hard earned money and time on these things, and within reason, should be able to come on here and say whatever they damn well please. I don't mean to attack you personally, and for that I apologize, but hey, it could have been WAYYYYY worse.

*sigh*

Thank you for proving my point.

I didn't prove your point. You never had a point. People like you are the absolute worse. You have an account on a comic book website. You're commenting on a book that hit the shelves a handful of hours prior, and yet you're acting as if you're somehow above it all. You're not fooling anyone little buddy.

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Worst ending ever... this whole event has been a joke and end was just the final insult

SO MUCH TALENT + SO MANY WRITERS + SO MANY ARTISTS =COMPLETE DISASTER OF AN EVENT

I reckon Jeph Loeb was the one who came up with this stupid event in the first place but gave the real writing jobs to other writers.

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@ALittleTooRaph said:

@cyberchop979 said:

@ALittleTooRaph said:

@cyberchop979 said:

Rrraaaaawwwwwwrrrrrrr.......So....Much.....NERDRAGE!!!!!!!!!

I love that people have so much passion for comic books, but I really think some of you should tone it down a little.

I, for one, enjoyed the series. It could have been better, but IMO it could have been WAYYYYY worse.

If you don't have passion what's the point in doing anything? Of course anything, and I mean anything, in life can be way better or way worse, but that certainly doesn't determine whether you should like or accept something or not. "I just lost my job, but oh well, it could have been much worse. It could have been broadcast on network television for all my family and friends to watch live." Look, just don't go to a basketball game and act as if you can't understand why fans are foaming at the mouth after a bad call from the ref. And don't go on a comic book website and tell people to tone it down because you think that they take fiction way too seriously. People spend their hard earned money and time on these things, and within reason, should be able to come on here and say whatever they damn well please. I don't mean to attack you personally, and for that I apologize, but hey, it could have been WAYYYYY worse.

*sigh*

Thank you for proving my point.

I didn't prove your point. You never had a point. People like you are the absolute worse. You have an account on a comic book website. You're commenting on a book that hit the shelves a handful of hours prior, and yet you're acting as if you're somehow above it all. You're not fooling anyone little buddy.

Lol. Keep on proving my point.

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Cyke Rulez!

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Let me start this by saying that I love Marvel Comics. I love the characters and the history. But this event left a bad taste in my mouth. IMO the characters have been inconsistant and the writing bland at times. I love how the event started but the promos were mis-leading to a point and the ending disappointing. The scarlet Witch and the Avengers should have stayed out of the way. The X-men have always handled the Phoenix and if they hadn't been pushed by the other heroes they would have been able to do something amazing. The Phoenix Force is a powerful entity that shouldn't have been so easily discarded. What happened to Phoenix Endsong??? Did they just decide to ignore it??? And what about Warsong??? There are all those stories and then suddenly now that the Avengers are involved things are easily dealt with and the characters take a back seat. When did the editors at Marvel turn into the old DC??? The characters and histories should mean something. If not then just do an honest revamp like DC.